[microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone]

[babilano]

I hereby swear to never refer to the holocaust or the nazi's to make  
a point ever again.

serge



On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM, David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com> wrote:
As per these claims that "the universe is a complete whole," I can
only say that if this is so, then in a world that produced Auschwitz,
"the universe is a complete HELL."

I prefer to imagine that reality is ontologically open, creation is
incomplete, and freedom is a real though extremely fragile
possibility.

This profoundly influences my idea of music, in that I do not believe
great music establishes some perfect mythical harmony between the
smallest details and the whole. In my view, music should struggle
against such ideological harmony, without necessarily abandoning all
structure or denying the relationships between micro and macro
structures. Late Beethoven piano pieces and string quartets are
excellent examples of such an approach.

I agree with you to an extent on "school maths", although I personally
think that in the digital age, it's impossible to escape the reign of
mathematics, and so perhaps we shouldn't ignore math but instead try
to subvert it.

PS. The idea of "Golden Ratio Disco" quite amuses me in some way,
though I'm somewhat frightened to hear what such a thing sounds like!

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Chris Bullen
<auralbeesty at btinternet.com> wrote:
 > When I first saw this appear in my mailbox, I thought it said  
"Golden Ratio
 > Disco".
 > Was not sure what it was going to be about but it looked as if  
this might be
 > a kind of humorous approach or some mental piece of free/ 
shareware. But no,
 > it was back to the old classical attempt to find mathematical  
perfection.
 > Over 30 years ago, when I was at art school, plenty of dull work  
was produce
 > by colleagues claiming they were using a "Golden Section",  
certainly in
 > straight painting it never made any great impression on me (one  
way or
 > another), all I thought was "fuck it, school maths! I left home to  
get away
 > from this".
 > Cheers Chrisb
 > ________________________________
 > From: Robert Lewis <ionizing at gmail.com>
 > To: microsound at microsound.org
 > Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2010 16:18:37
 > Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of  
interest to
 > someone]
 >
 > 1) What do you mean by coherence?
 >
 > systematic consistency across all time and space scales
 >
 > 2) And how does this relate to the
 > practice of music?
 >
 > the universe is a complete whole
 >
 > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com>  
wrote:
 >>
 >> What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the
 >> practice of music?
 >>
 >> ***
 >>
 >> Hypothesis:
 >> Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what
 >> is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers,
 >> until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic
 >> mathematics--the language of utopia.
 >>
 >> ~David
 >>
 >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis <ionizing at gmail.com>  
wrote:
 >> > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no  
paradoxes but
 >> > in
 >> > perception.  it is meaningful as another example of the golden  
ratio in
 >> > the
 >> > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all  
scales of
 >> > nature
 >> >
 >> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers  
<cyborgk at gmail.com> wrote:
 >> >>
 >> >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a  
discovery
 >> >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as  
merely a
 >> >> strange coincidence?
 >> >>
 >> >> ~David
 >> >>
 >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d <d4l3d at inbox.com> wrote:
 >> >> >
 >> >> > Found this interesting.
 >> >> >
 >> >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio,  
this was
 >> >> > recently posted through Slashdot:
 >> >> >
 >> >> >
 >> >> >
 >> >> > http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/ 
golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world
 >> >> >
 >> >> > May be useful to someone.
 >> >> >
 >> >> >    s    4   n  s [moi]
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