[microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone]

[Robert Lewis]

replace the word 'complete' with 'interdependent' in my phrase, and that is
closer to what I meant..

'the universe is an interdependent whole'

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM, David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com> wrote:

> As per these claims that "the universe is a complete whole," I can
> only say that if this is so, then in a world that produced Auschwitz,
> "the universe is a complete HELL."
>
> I prefer to imagine that reality is ontologically open, creation is
> incomplete, and freedom is a real though extremely fragile
> possibility.
>
> This profoundly influences my idea of music, in that I do not believe
> great music establishes some perfect mythical harmony between the
> smallest details and the whole. In my view, music should struggle
> against such ideological harmony, without necessarily abandoning all
> structure or denying the relationships between micro and macro
> structures. Late Beethoven piano pieces and string quartets are
> excellent examples of such an approach.
>
> I agree with you to an extent on "school maths", although I personally
> think that in the digital age, it's impossible to escape the reign of
> mathematics, and so perhaps we shouldn't ignore math but instead try
> to subvert it.
>
> PS. The idea of "Golden Ratio Disco" quite amuses me in some way,
> though I'm somewhat frightened to hear what such a thing sounds like!
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Chris Bullen
> <auralbeesty at btinternet.com> wrote:
> > When I first saw this appear in my mailbox, I thought it said "Golden
> Ratio
> > Disco".
> > Was not sure what it was going to be about but it looked as if this might
> be
> > a kind of humorous approach or some mental piece of free/shareware. But
> no,
> > it was back to the old classical attempt to find mathematical perfection.
> > Over 30 years ago, when I was at art school, plenty of dull work was
> produce
> > by colleagues claiming they were using a "Golden Section", certainly in
> > straight painting it never made any great impression on me (one way or
> > another), all I thought was "fuck it, school maths! I left home to get
> away
> > from this".
> > Cheers Chrisb
> > ________________________________
> > From: Robert Lewis <ionizing at gmail.com>
> > To: microsound at microsound.org
> > Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2010 16:18:37
> > Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to
> > someone]
> >
> > 1) What do you mean by coherence?
> >
> > systematic consistency across all time and space scales
> >
> > 2) And how does this relate to the
> > practice of music?
> >
> > the universe is a complete whole
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the
> >> practice of music?
> >>
> >> ***
> >>
> >> Hypothesis:
> >> Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what
> >> is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers,
> >> until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic
> >> mathematics--the language of utopia.
> >>
> >> ~David
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis <ionizing at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes
> but
> >> > in
> >> > perception.  it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio
> in
> >> > the
> >> > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of
> >> > nature
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery
> >> >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a
> >> >> strange coincidence?
> >> >>
> >> >> ~David
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d <d4l3d at inbox.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Found this interesting.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this
> was
> >> >> > recently posted through Slashdot:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world
> >> >> >
> >> >> > May be useful to someone.
> >> >> >
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> >> >> >
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