replace the word 'complete' with 'interdependent' in my phrase, and that is closer to what I meant..<br><br>'the universe is an interdependent whole'<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM, David Powers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cyborgk@gmail.com">cyborgk@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">As per these claims that "the universe is a complete whole," I can<br>
only say that if this is so, then in a world that produced Auschwitz,<br>
"the universe is a complete HELL."<br>
<br>
I prefer to imagine that reality is ontologically open, creation is<br>
incomplete, and freedom is a real though extremely fragile<br>
possibility.<br>
<br>
This profoundly influences my idea of music, in that I do not believe<br>
great music establishes some perfect mythical harmony between the<br>
smallest details and the whole. In my view, music should struggle<br>
against such ideological harmony, without necessarily abandoning all<br>
structure or denying the relationships between micro and macro<br>
structures. Late Beethoven piano pieces and string quartets are<br>
excellent examples of such an approach.<br>
<br>
I agree with you to an extent on "school maths", although I personally<br>
think that in the digital age, it's impossible to escape the reign of<br>
mathematics, and so perhaps we shouldn't ignore math but instead try<br>
to subvert it.<br>
<br>
PS. The idea of "Golden Ratio Disco" quite amuses me in some way,<br>
though I'm somewhat frightened to hear what such a thing sounds like!<br>
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On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Chris Bullen<br>
<<a href="mailto:auralbeesty@btinternet.com">auralbeesty@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> When I first saw this appear in my mailbox, I thought it said "Golden Ratio<br>
> Disco".<br>
> Was not sure what it was going to be about but it looked as if this might be<br>
> a kind of humorous approach or some mental piece of free/shareware. But no,<br>
> it was back to the old classical attempt to find mathematical perfection.<br>
> Over 30 years ago, when I was at art school, plenty of dull work was produce<br>
> by colleagues claiming they were using a "Golden Section", certainly in<br>
> straight painting it never made any great impression on me (one way or<br>
> another), all I thought was "fuck it, school maths! I left home to get away<br>
> from this".<br>
> Cheers Chrisb<br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: Robert Lewis <<a href="mailto:ionizing@gmail.com">ionizing@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org">microsound@microsound.org</a><br>
> Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2010 16:18:37<br>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to<br>
> someone]<br>
><br>
> 1) What do you mean by coherence?<br>
><br>
> systematic consistency across all time and space scales<br>
><br>
> 2) And how does this relate to the<br>
> practice of music?<br>
><br>
> the universe is a complete whole<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers <<a href="mailto:cyborgk@gmail.com">cyborgk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the<br>
>> practice of music?<br>
>><br>
>> ***<br>
>><br>
>> Hypothesis:<br>
>> Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what<br>
>> is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers,<br>
>> until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic<br>
>> mathematics--the language of utopia.<br>
>><br>
>> ~David<br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis <<a href="mailto:ionizing@gmail.com">ionizing@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes but<br>
>> > in<br>
>> > perception. it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio in<br>
>> > the<br>
>> > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of<br>
>> > nature<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers <<a href="mailto:cyborgk@gmail.com">cyborgk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery<br>
>> >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a<br>
>> >> strange coincidence?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ~David<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d <<a href="mailto:d4l3d@inbox.com">d4l3d@inbox.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Found this interesting.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this was<br>
>> >> > recently posted through Slashdot:<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > <a href="http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world" target="_blank">http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world</a><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > May be useful to someone.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > s 4 n s [moi]<br>
>> >> ><br>
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