[microsound] "No Input Mixing Board"

Tue Dec 14 11:38:26 EST 2010

emm... my suggestion, just get any cheap mixer and do some experimentation
with it, it is the only way forward. I would think an analogue mixer will be
ideal...

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 4:35 PM, simon longo <simonlongo at gmail.com> wrote:

> yeah that is like driving a car with your eyes closed, is a good idea to
> patch a limiter in the chain so that you don't overload too much or just
> keep an ear to the signal so it does not get too hot :-)
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Sofus Forsberg <sofus at foppa.dk> wrote:
>
>> My Ensoniq DP-4 got busted some years ago, from making feedback with it.
>> Now
>> it ONLY distorts, so you can damage your gear from making feedback loops
>> with it. I also thought that it was impossible, but i guess you can fuck
>> up
>> the input step somehow... :D
>>
>>
>> > From: "Andrew C. Smith" <andrewchristophersmith at gmail.com>
>> > Reply-To: <microsound at microsound.org>
>> > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:00:01 -0500
>> > To: <microsound at microsound.org>, <mis at artengine.ca>
>> > Cc: Nic Freed <beatthefinalboss at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [microsound] "No Input Mixing Board"
>> >
>> > Nakamura came to play in Brooklyn a few months back, and actually had a
>> whole
>> > rack mount setup with digital reverb and all kinds of effects. Sort of a
>> > surprise, to me anyway (I'm only a little familiar with his music), but
>> it was
>> > interesting how the feeding back mixer was juxtaposed with this totally
>> stock,
>> > everyday digital reverb sound.
>> >
>> > Also, you may just want to try asking around and seeing if you can
>> borrow a
>> > cheap mixer and patch cables from anyone. To my knowledge, no-input
>> feedback
>> > can't ruin a board, and most pros (even most amateurs) have a few extra
>> small
>> > mixers sitting around. If you try a few out you may know better what to
>> look
>> > for when you go to the music shop.
>> >
>> > Since no one else said it yet: don't use headphones.
>> >
>> > Good luck.
>> >
>> > Andrew
>> >
>> > On Dec 14, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Michal Seta wrote:
>> >
>> >> You could probably get a Behringer 8 channel mixer for less than a
>> >> 100$ at your local music equipment store.  Those are totally useless
>> >> for pro-audio but they should fit your needs.  Of course you also need
>> >> a lot of patch cords.  You may want to check your nearest electronics
>> >> surplus store, they may have good deals on cables (maybe even some
>> >> amateur mixing boards!).  Just make sure that when you are buying a
>> >> mixer to use as a musical instrument, there are more outputs than just
>> >> Main Out (hopefully Aux and/or Fx and maybe even direct out) for
>> >> increased flexibility of routing signals.
>> >>
>> >> Here's one good deal for a Behringer:
>> >> http://bit.ly/f4JPqy
>> >>
>> >> You could also check some local classifieds listings but I would
>> >> advise that when you buy this kind of stuff (especially online or
>> >> through an ad) you do it with an adult, hopefully someone who
>> >> understands your needs and what you are buying to some extent.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers.
>> >>
>> >> ./MiS
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Nic Freed <beatthefinalboss at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Thank you very much for replying so fast! I do like Larseneurs, but I
>> do not
>> >>> speak french, so I do not know how much I can use their site :(
>> >>> You explained that very well, and now that I understand, I am very
>> anxious
>> >>> to try ;)
>> >>> If you don't mind my asking, where might I get a cheap mixing board
>> with an
>> >>> input and output? Maybe somewhere on ebay or something?
>> >>> Thanks again!
>> >>> --Nic
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Michal Seta <mis at artengine.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Nic,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The base idea behind the no input mixing board is that a mixing board
>> >>>> is never perfectly silent.  It is then expected that when you plug
>> its
>> >>>> output to its input, the inherent noise (or hum) that is within the
>> >>>> system will quickly start adding itself up and you will be able to
>> >>>> build a feedback loop.  Most mixers have pre-amps built in which can
>> >>>> greatly help you build the sound faster (and they will add a little
>> >>>> bit of noise to the signal as well).  You can then use the EQ knobs
>> to
>> >>>> shape the resulting signal.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Some mixing boards come with built-in effects so you could very
>> easily
>> >>>> start sculpting very intricate soundscapes but if you want to be true
>> >>>> to Nakamura you should use a plain mixing board with only controls
>> >>>> being volume, gain and some EQ (usually just 3 knobs on simple
>> boards:
>> >>>> treble, mid and bass).  Note that having multiple mixing strips and
>> >>>> ways of cross-connecting them gives you an advantage (most mixers
>> will
>> >>>> have auxiliary inputs and outputs which you can exploit to make cross
>> >>>> connections between different strips).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Getting a cheap mixing board will bring you quick instant
>> >>>> gratification because those will usually have higher signal to noise
>> >>>> ratio.  You will be feeding back in no time.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If such minimal meas of noise making interest you, you may also be
>> >>>> interested in Larseneurs (http://www.larseneur.net/NewsENG.php).
>>  The
>> >>>> idea being that you simply use a computer and let the sound pass
>> >>>> directly from your microphone input straight to the output.  Your
>> only
>> >>>> control is input volume.  Your sounds will greatly depend on the
>> >>>> ambient noise.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Happy feedback!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ./MiS
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Nic Freed <
>> beatthefinalboss at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> Hello :)
>> >>>>> I have become very interested in the works of Toshimaru Nakamura
>> >>>>> recently,
>> >>>>> with his self-named "No-Input Mixing Board", and I would like to
>> learn
>> >>>>> more
>> >>>>> about it. From what I understand, the output of the board is
>> connected
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> the input... but if so, where does the initial sound causing the
>> >>>>> feedback
>> >>>>> come from? I would like to try this myself, once I understand it
>> better,
>> >>>>> so
>> >>>>> I was also wondering about what I would need to purchase to create
>> >>>>> something
>> >>>>> with this method.
>> >>>>> I am 15 years old and without a job, so maybe a cheap mixer and
>> >>>>> something to
>> >>>>> create sound, like a function generator? I would probably try and
>> get it
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>> my birthday, so it can't be too expensive :x
>> >>>>> Thank you very much, in advance!
>> >>>>> --Nic
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