emm... my suggestion, just get any cheap mixer and do some experimentation with it, it is the only way forward. I would think an analogue mixer will be ideal...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 4:35 PM, simon longo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simonlongo@gmail.com">simonlongo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">yeah that is like driving a car with your eyes closed, is a good idea to patch a limiter in the chain so that you don't overload too much or just keep an ear to the signal so it does not get too hot :-)<div>
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On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Sofus Forsberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sofus@foppa.dk" target="_blank">sofus@foppa.dk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
My Ensoniq DP-4 got busted some years ago, from making feedback with it. Now<br>
it ONLY distorts, so you can damage your gear from making feedback loops<br>
with it. I also thought that it was impossible, but i guess you can fuck up<br>
the input step somehow... :D<br>
<br>
<br>
> From: "Andrew C. Smith" <<a href="mailto:andrewchristophersmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrewchristophersmith@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Reply-To: <<a href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org" target="_blank">microsound@microsound.org</a>><br>
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:00:01 -0500<br>
> To: <<a href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org" target="_blank">microsound@microsound.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:mis@artengine.ca" target="_blank">mis@artengine.ca</a>><br>
> Cc: Nic Freed <<a href="mailto:beatthefinalboss@gmail.com" target="_blank">beatthefinalboss@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] "No Input Mixing Board"<br>
<div><div></div><div>><br>
> Nakamura came to play in Brooklyn a few months back, and actually had a whole<br>
> rack mount setup with digital reverb and all kinds of effects. Sort of a<br>
> surprise, to me anyway (I'm only a little familiar with his music), but it was<br>
> interesting how the feeding back mixer was juxtaposed with this totally stock,<br>
> everyday digital reverb sound.<br>
><br>
> Also, you may just want to try asking around and seeing if you can borrow a<br>
> cheap mixer and patch cables from anyone. To my knowledge, no-input feedback<br>
> can't ruin a board, and most pros (even most amateurs) have a few extra small<br>
> mixers sitting around. If you try a few out you may know better what to look<br>
> for when you go to the music shop.<br>
><br>
> Since no one else said it yet: don't use headphones.<br>
><br>
> Good luck.<br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
><br>
> On Dec 14, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Michal Seta wrote:<br>
><br>
>> You could probably get a Behringer 8 channel mixer for less than a<br>
>> 100$ at your local music equipment store. Those are totally useless<br>
>> for pro-audio but they should fit your needs. Of course you also need<br>
>> a lot of patch cords. You may want to check your nearest electronics<br>
>> surplus store, they may have good deals on cables (maybe even some<br>
>> amateur mixing boards!). Just make sure that when you are buying a<br>
>> mixer to use as a musical instrument, there are more outputs than just<br>
>> Main Out (hopefully Aux and/or Fx and maybe even direct out) for<br>
>> increased flexibility of routing signals.<br>
>><br>
>> Here's one good deal for a Behringer:<br>
>> <a href="http://bit.ly/f4JPqy" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/f4JPqy</a><br>
>><br>
>> You could also check some local classifieds listings but I would<br>
>> advise that when you buy this kind of stuff (especially online or<br>
>> through an ad) you do it with an adult, hopefully someone who<br>
>> understands your needs and what you are buying to some extent.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers.<br>
>><br>
>> ./MiS<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Nic Freed <<a href="mailto:beatthefinalboss@gmail.com" target="_blank">beatthefinalboss@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>> Thank you very much for replying so fast! I do like Larseneurs, but I do not<br>
>>> speak french, so I do not know how much I can use their site :(<br>
>>> You explained that very well, and now that I understand, I am very anxious<br>
>>> to try ;)<br>
>>> If you don't mind my asking, where might I get a cheap mixing board with an<br>
>>> input and output? Maybe somewhere on ebay or something?<br>
>>> Thanks again!<br>
>>> --Nic<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Michal Seta <<a href="mailto:mis@artengine.ca" target="_blank">mis@artengine.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hi Nic,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The base idea behind the no input mixing board is that a mixing board<br>
>>>> is never perfectly silent. It is then expected that when you plug its<br>
>>>> output to its input, the inherent noise (or hum) that is within the<br>
>>>> system will quickly start adding itself up and you will be able to<br>
>>>> build a feedback loop. Most mixers have pre-amps built in which can<br>
>>>> greatly help you build the sound faster (and they will add a little<br>
>>>> bit of noise to the signal as well). You can then use the EQ knobs to<br>
>>>> shape the resulting signal.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Some mixing boards come with built-in effects so you could very easily<br>
>>>> start sculpting very intricate soundscapes but if you want to be true<br>
>>>> to Nakamura you should use a plain mixing board with only controls<br>
>>>> being volume, gain and some EQ (usually just 3 knobs on simple boards:<br>
>>>> treble, mid and bass). Note that having multiple mixing strips and<br>
>>>> ways of cross-connecting them gives you an advantage (most mixers will<br>
>>>> have auxiliary inputs and outputs which you can exploit to make cross<br>
>>>> connections between different strips).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Getting a cheap mixing board will bring you quick instant<br>
>>>> gratification because those will usually have higher signal to noise<br>
>>>> ratio. You will be feeding back in no time.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If such minimal meas of noise making interest you, you may also be<br>
>>>> interested in Larseneurs (<a href="http://www.larseneur.net/NewsENG.php" target="_blank">http://www.larseneur.net/NewsENG.php</a>). The<br>
>>>> idea being that you simply use a computer and let the sound pass<br>
>>>> directly from your microphone input straight to the output. Your only<br>
>>>> control is input volume. Your sounds will greatly depend on the<br>
>>>> ambient noise.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Happy feedback!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ./MiS<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Nic Freed <<a href="mailto:beatthefinalboss@gmail.com" target="_blank">beatthefinalboss@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> Hello :)<br>
>>>>> I have become very interested in the works of Toshimaru Nakamura<br>
>>>>> recently,<br>
>>>>> with his self-named "No-Input Mixing Board", and I would like to learn<br>
>>>>> more<br>
>>>>> about it. From what I understand, the output of the board is connected<br>
>>>>> to<br>
>>>>> the input... but if so, where does the initial sound causing the<br>
>>>>> feedback<br>
>>>>> come from? I would like to try this myself, once I understand it better,<br>
>>>>> so<br>
>>>>> I was also wondering about what I would need to purchase to create<br>
>>>>> something<br>
>>>>> with this method.<br>
>>>>> I am 15 years old and without a job, so maybe a cheap mixer and<br>
>>>>> something to<br>
>>>>> create sound, like a function generator? I would probably try and get it<br>
>>>>> for<br>
>>>>> my birthday, so it can't be too expensive :x<br>
>>>>> Thank you very much, in advance!<br>
>>>>> --Nic<br>
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