[microsound] "No Input Mixing Board"

Tue Dec 14 11:35:45 EST 2010

yeah that is like driving a car with your eyes closed, is a good idea to
patch a limiter in the chain so that you don't overload too much or just
keep an ear to the signal so it does not get too hot :-)

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Sofus Forsberg <sofus at foppa.dk> wrote:

> My Ensoniq DP-4 got busted some years ago, from making feedback with it.
> Now
> it ONLY distorts, so you can damage your gear from making feedback loops
> with it. I also thought that it was impossible, but i guess you can fuck up
> the input step somehow... :D
>
>
> > From: "Andrew C. Smith" <andrewchristophersmith at gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: <microsound at microsound.org>
> > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:00:01 -0500
> > To: <microsound at microsound.org>, <mis at artengine.ca>
> > Cc: Nic Freed <beatthefinalboss at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [microsound] "No Input Mixing Board"
> >
> > Nakamura came to play in Brooklyn a few months back, and actually had a
> whole
> > rack mount setup with digital reverb and all kinds of effects. Sort of a
> > surprise, to me anyway (I'm only a little familiar with his music), but
> it was
> > interesting how the feeding back mixer was juxtaposed with this totally
> stock,
> > everyday digital reverb sound.
> >
> > Also, you may just want to try asking around and seeing if you can borrow
> a
> > cheap mixer and patch cables from anyone. To my knowledge, no-input
> feedback
> > can't ruin a board, and most pros (even most amateurs) have a few extra
> small
> > mixers sitting around. If you try a few out you may know better what to
> look
> > for when you go to the music shop.
> >
> > Since no one else said it yet: don't use headphones.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Dec 14, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Michal Seta wrote:
> >
> >> You could probably get a Behringer 8 channel mixer for less than a
> >> 100$ at your local music equipment store.  Those are totally useless
> >> for pro-audio but they should fit your needs.  Of course you also need
> >> a lot of patch cords.  You may want to check your nearest electronics
> >> surplus store, they may have good deals on cables (maybe even some
> >> amateur mixing boards!).  Just make sure that when you are buying a
> >> mixer to use as a musical instrument, there are more outputs than just
> >> Main Out (hopefully Aux and/or Fx and maybe even direct out) for
> >> increased flexibility of routing signals.
> >>
> >> Here's one good deal for a Behringer:
> >> http://bit.ly/f4JPqy
> >>
> >> You could also check some local classifieds listings but I would
> >> advise that when you buy this kind of stuff (especially online or
> >> through an ad) you do it with an adult, hopefully someone who
> >> understands your needs and what you are buying to some extent.
> >>
> >> Cheers.
> >>
> >> ./MiS
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Nic Freed <beatthefinalboss at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Thank you very much for replying so fast! I do like Larseneurs, but I
> do not
> >>> speak french, so I do not know how much I can use their site :(
> >>> You explained that very well, and now that I understand, I am very
> anxious
> >>> to try ;)
> >>> If you don't mind my asking, where might I get a cheap mixing board
> with an
> >>> input and output? Maybe somewhere on ebay or something?
> >>> Thanks again!
> >>> --Nic
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Michal Seta <mis at artengine.ca>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Nic,
> >>>>
> >>>> The base idea behind the no input mixing board is that a mixing board
> >>>> is never perfectly silent.  It is then expected that when you plug its
> >>>> output to its input, the inherent noise (or hum) that is within the
> >>>> system will quickly start adding itself up and you will be able to
> >>>> build a feedback loop.  Most mixers have pre-amps built in which can
> >>>> greatly help you build the sound faster (and they will add a little
> >>>> bit of noise to the signal as well).  You can then use the EQ knobs to
> >>>> shape the resulting signal.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some mixing boards come with built-in effects so you could very easily
> >>>> start sculpting very intricate soundscapes but if you want to be true
> >>>> to Nakamura you should use a plain mixing board with only controls
> >>>> being volume, gain and some EQ (usually just 3 knobs on simple boards:
> >>>> treble, mid and bass).  Note that having multiple mixing strips and
> >>>> ways of cross-connecting them gives you an advantage (most mixers will
> >>>> have auxiliary inputs and outputs which you can exploit to make cross
> >>>> connections between different strips).
> >>>>
> >>>> Getting a cheap mixing board will bring you quick instant
> >>>> gratification because those will usually have higher signal to noise
> >>>> ratio.  You will be feeding back in no time.
> >>>>
> >>>> If such minimal meas of noise making interest you, you may also be
> >>>> interested in Larseneurs (http://www.larseneur.net/NewsENG.php).  The
> >>>> idea being that you simply use a computer and let the sound pass
> >>>> directly from your microphone input straight to the output.  Your only
> >>>> control is input volume.  Your sounds will greatly depend on the
> >>>> ambient noise.
> >>>>
> >>>> Happy feedback!
> >>>>
> >>>> ./MiS
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Nic Freed <
> beatthefinalboss at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Hello :)
> >>>>> I have become very interested in the works of Toshimaru Nakamura
> >>>>> recently,
> >>>>> with his self-named "No-Input Mixing Board", and I would like to
> learn
> >>>>> more
> >>>>> about it. From what I understand, the output of the board is
> connected
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> the input... but if so, where does the initial sound causing the
> >>>>> feedback
> >>>>> come from? I would like to try this myself, once I understand it
> better,
> >>>>> so
> >>>>> I was also wondering about what I would need to purchase to create
> >>>>> something
> >>>>> with this method.
> >>>>> I am 15 years old and without a job, so maybe a cheap mixer and
> >>>>> something to
> >>>>> create sound, like a function generator? I would probably try and get
> it
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> my birthday, so it can't be too expensive :x
> >>>>> Thank you very much, in advance!
> >>>>> --Nic
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