[microsound] Exit Through the Gift Shop (Cancelling City noise)

Wed Feb 16 13:23:25 EST 2011

Cancelling an almost infinitely radiating sound source (The city
noise) is impossible unless you are rich (first hurdle) and can time
travel (second hurdle). Stockhausen thought of this a long time ago. I
can't see how you would do that unless you cancel every source at
source and have a time machine and you go to immediate future to know
where the new sources will be and track them.

Coventry in the UK had speakers on lam posts in the city some years
ago which radiated little conversations of witnesses to the bombing of
coventry. It was very spooky as the voices where just like the
conversations of ghosts.

As far as playing with the space between the speakers, Alvin Lucier
comes to mind (can;t remember the piece) in which changing your head
position between the speakers changes the elements of the sine waves
being played.

Pere

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> I am new to sound and its laws, but this make me think about something i red
> yesterday,
> a lecture started from the 3D sound link posted by Bruce Trovsky.
>
> So what if would be possible to use crosstalk cancellation to do this ?
>
> listening to some simple stereo-audio-from-videocamera processed by
> a ambio_one plugin and turning my head i found there was an "empty" space
> in between the speakers (the sources),
>
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> 2011/2/16 David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com>
>
>> A little food for thought:
>>
>> Do we not suffer from too much noise in our cities already? At least
>> in Chicago, I am subjected to large amounts of unwanted noise, whether
>> it is the dangerously loud sound of elevated trains, or the unwanted
>> (and almosty always terrible) background music that plays incessantly
>> indoors everywhere one goes.
>>
>> So I suggest that the ultimate sonic intervention would not create
>> noise, but SUBTRACT noise--creating an unexpected pocket of silence in
>> the midst of the city would be fantastic, in my opinion.
>>
>> ~David
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:42 AM, Bernhard Living <mumixer at me.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Hans,
>> > This is a very beautiful and effective installation, and as you said, the
>> > sound of the card was able to cut through the background noise of the
>> > traffic. Graffiti art has always had a slightly ?naughty? if not illegal
>> > aspect to it. It?s also fairly low cost (the price of a spray can). Your
>> > sound intervention certainly fits into that way of doing things.
>> > Regards,
>> > Bernhard
>> > On 16 Feb 2011, at 10:03, hans w. koch wrote:
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>  I worked for an architectural photographer that did a shoot in the late 80's at the corporate headquarters of Hasbro - somewhere in Massachusets. The office was a huge open space with standard office cubicles. It had a noise reduction system that was made by Bolt Beranek & Newman. You could stand about 30 feet away from another person and yell at them - and could barely make out what they said. Doesn't sound very spectacular - but it was one of the strangest acoustic experiences I have had.
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Steven Ricks wrote:
>> I like this . . . perhaps one could take the Bose headphone noise canceling technology and create something . . . I'm imagining it in the hands of someone with a lot of funding and creating a sort of giant silence-projecting ray gun . . . then if one could apply filtering to this concept, canceling out only certain frequencies . . . anyone have contacts at Bose r&d?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:07 AM, David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >  A little food for thought:
>> >
>> >  Do we not suffer from too much noise in our cities already? At least
>> >  in Chicago, I am subjected to large amounts of unwanted noise, whether
>> >  it is the dangerously loud sound of elevated trains, or the unwanted
>> >  (and almosty always terrible) background music that plays incessantly
>> >  indoors everywhere one goes.
>> >
>> >  So I suggest that the ultimate sonic intervention would not create
>> >  noise, but SUBTRACT noise--creating an unexpected pocket of silence in
>> >  the midst of the city would be fantastic, in my opinion.
>> >
>> >  ~David
>> >
>> >  On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:42 AM, Bernhard Living <mumixer at me.com> wrote:
>> > > Dear Hans,
>> > > This is a very beautiful and effective installation, and as you said, the
>> > > sound of the card was able to cut through the background noise of the
>> > > traffic. Graffiti art has always had a slightly ?naughty? if not illegal
>> > > aspect to it. It?s also fairly low cost (the price of a spray can). Your
>> > > sound intervention certainly fits into that way of doing things.
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Bernhard
>> > > On 16 Feb 2011, at 10:03, hans w. koch wrote:
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> there's (almost) always an empty space between two speakers.  Speakers throw
> sound out in a cone shaped pattern, right?  So when you turn your head
> you're actually placing your ear between where the cones would meet.
>
> The problem with applying this to a cityscape is that sound is coming from
> ALL OVER EVERY WHERE.
>
> Are there any microsounders in NYC who'd be interested in getting together
> to talk IRL about this topic?  Specifically, about our aural relationship
> with our city, and what the artist's role is in that relationship?
>
> Ted Pallas
> Live Media Designer
> Sandwich Construction Consultant
> ted dot pallas -at- gmail dot com
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> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Davide Oliveri
> <davide.oliveri at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I am new to sound and its laws, but this make me think about something i
>> red yesterday,
>> a lecture started from the 3D sound link posted by Bruce Trovsky.
>>
>> So what if would be possible to use crosstalk cancellation to do this ?
>>
>> listening to some simple stereo-audio-from-videocamera processed by
>> a ambio_one plugin and turning my head i found there was an "empty" space
>> in between the speakers (the sources),
>>
>>
>> 2011/2/16 David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com>
>>
>> A little food for thought:
>>>
>>> Do we not suffer from too much noise in our cities already? At least
>>> in Chicago, I am subjected to large amounts of unwanted noise, whether
>>> it is the dangerously loud sound of elevated trains, or the unwanted
>>> (and almosty always terrible) background music that plays incessantly
>>> indoors everywhere one goes.
>>>
>>> So I suggest that the ultimate sonic intervention would not create
>>> noise, but SUBTRACT noise--creating an unexpected pocket of silence in
>>> the midst of the city would be fantastic, in my opinion.
>>>
>>> ~David
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:42 AM, Bernhard Living <mumixer at me.com> wrote:
>>> > Dear Hans,
>>> > This is a very beautiful and effective installation, and as you said,
>>> the
>>> > sound of the card was able to cut through the background noise of the
>>> > traffic. Graffiti art has always had a slightly ?naughty? if not illegal
>>> > aspect to it. It?s also fairly low cost (the price of a spray can). Your
>>> > sound intervention certainly fits into that way of doing things.
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Bernhard
>>> > On 16 Feb 2011, at 10:03, hans w. koch wrote:
>>> _______________________________________________
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