[microsound] osc for visual mapping

[Jeffrey Melton]

I am new to this list, so forgive if this is frequently asked (I saw a
discussion back in c. 2000): Is there a taxonomy for microsound content,
apart from Roads' book? If so, that could be the starting point for a
semantic list of terms for such a protocol.

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:

> In my experience this technique has been used for a long time.
> Composing an audiovisual concert usually already includes the development
> of a protocol to exchange this kind of information between audio and video
> processing. Some use MIDI, others use OSC; even though I prefer the latter.
>
> Honestly I find hard to see anything new in this article. Besides, I seem
> to understand that's the main point of the author is to establish a
> "Protocol", which, as it is described in the article, looks very poor. I
> agree with Jeffrey when he refers to this protocol as a semantic layer. It
> sounds much more appropriate.
> OSC is already a protocol itself. An overlaying structure would perhaps be
> a vocabulary to be applied.
> It's surely interesting the idea of introducing an editor (external app)
> which could automatically add certain metadata to sound pieces, but once we
> have to deal with more complex textures, sonorities, and slight, detailed
> sound manipulations such protocol wouldn't, in my opinion, be usable.
> It could, but only if we carefully compose it. Therefore, a communication
> protocol for a complex performance would need in any case more efforts than
> a "standard", at least as it is described on CDM.
>
> The appeal of such "protocol" could probably be targeted more to
> user-friendly/commercial software users/customers, and a limited musical
> field.
> Moreover, it's already very easy to setup OSC communication among several
> applications, please correct me if someone thinks otherwise.
>
> and, by the way, do we really need a standard for everything we create?
>
> Best,
> Marco
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jeffrey Melton <jeffreymelton at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Another thought: apps like Density GS, Pulsaret (and others built with
>> Max) and Ableton could be modded to output an OSC stream of this semantic
>> layer in addition to the sound streams. Perhaps people are already doing
>> this, but it's new to me.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Jeffrey Melton <jeffreymelton at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > My initial thought is to replace "standard" with "semantic", as this
>> level is describing the discreet sound events based on their content (albeit
>> with a narrow, subjective lexicon).
>> > Subjective is a key word, as this level is relative not only to the tone
>> colors/timbres but also the person doing the describing—hence the difficulty
>> with "standard". AND the protocol level is dependent on these terms as is.
>> > I can see how this would be applicable to microsound, as a dialect to
>> describe sound events and particles (of which I have a lot to learn) for
>> visualizations, but perhaps by frequency range, durations, accepted particle
>> definitions and such. I'm assuming unknown terms would be ignored, but then
>> music not described in these terms wouldn't be rendered (like HTML).
>> > Still, this has potential and makes me want to learn about OSC. Cheers,
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Feb 12, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Al Matthews <prolepsis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> You may have noticed this already. I thought I'd ask for comment
>> however:
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://createdigitalmotion.com/2011/02/op-ed-music-abstraction-for-av-collaboration-a-proposal/
>> >>
>> >> I think my reflexive objections are in terms of what Surya Buchwald is
>> >> calling "Standard," since "Protocol" floats or fails based on that.
>> >>
>> >> Wondering if you see this framework as applicable to what you do, or
>> >> if your own work in OSC e.g. bubbles up here to suggest improvements.
>> >>
>> >> Supposing you were working directly in microsound or concrete, on what
>> >> bases would the "Standard" or "Protocol" here need be adapted?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance,
>> >>
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