[microsound] meta-theory

[Manannan Mac Lir]

Well I think what you're saying reminds me of David Bohm and his
implicate order and the enfoldment of the universe. There are some really
strange moments in Messiaen's piano and organ music where I think it
pushes you beyond a rational or linear concept of time, it becomes
enfolded to the extent that events become timeless, Messiaen wanted to
create a sense of timelessness which is itself a paradox, indeed in one
of the movements of his quartet for the end of time the tempo marking is
infinitely slow which taken literally is a human (maybe not post-human?)
impossibility but the suggestion or intention is interesting. Ligeti in
his Aventures imagined a solid infinite block of sound that
one experienced for a period but without beginning or end. Something I
havent found enough information on so far is the aspect of music,
psychology is too restricted a word, which effects ones "physically
conscious" self. Why does music make more emotional sense than most other
things to me? It seems to allow for an expansion of consciousness which I
havent seen developed in other art forms. The Sufi mystic and musician
Hazrat Inayat Khan has some very interesting writing, David Borgo's book
Synch or swarm is interesting but ignores the "psychic" interplay between
audience/performers that can occur. What I "want" is a musical
theory/framework which can deal with diverse psychological phenomena. I
still love notes and all that stuff but it seems to me the only important
factor is how it effects the recipient. I think feedback loops have a
huge role in determining the wiring of for example a group performance or
composition, I'm only coming to terms with them via Fritjof Capra's web
of life. For me the cyclic metaphor is liberating because it seems to
partially resolve the composition/improvisation problem I have in never
being totally satisfied with either, the cycle or feedback loop having
the ability to encompass any situation. I dont think any music theory has
really taken into account feedback loops in the contemporary sense. With
a feedback loop one can create a living or developing system which seems
to me infinitely interesting. I agree with you about absurd logic but I
would say that in my ownexperience it is lack of absurdity that is
illogical

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Adam Davis"
  To: microsound at microsound.org
  Subject: Re: [microsound] meta-theoryI
  Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:45:30 +0100

  This comparison may be rather crude, but I think trying to answer
  that question is analogous to a very prehistoric human trying to
  deduce what is beyond the big blue thing above it. I'd say probably
  millions of years from now, we will need extreme innovations that
  will physically manifest what we qould now consider to be absurd
  illogic. Take the Law of the Excluded Middle, for instance. It states
  that everything must either be or not be...but what if the
  "postposthuman" technology I just speculated would invert such a law
  and allow something to be physically being and not being,
  simultaneously on, say, the macroscale. Or, for an infinite
  impossibility to actually occurr whilst still remaining infinitely
  impossible.   Paradox: A frontier outside of infinity...but surely
  infinity, because of it's infinite nature, would encompass the
  frontier outside of it; feedback, a loop...thus the need for
  cyclo-anarchic technology that will allow paradoxes to be transcended
  and for a "frontier outside of infinity" to be explored...for absurd
  illogic to exist and to be explored physically.  I'd love to hear
  some of your ideas too :)
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