<DIV>Well I think what you're saying reminds me of David Bohm and his implicate order and the enfoldment of the universe. There are some really strange moments in Messiaen's piano and organ music where I think it pushes you beyond a rational or linear concept of time, it becomes enfolded to the extent that events become timeless, Messiaen wanted to create a sense of timelessness which is itself a paradox, indeed in one of the movements of his quartet for the end of time the tempo marking is infinitely slow which taken literally is a human (maybe not post-human?) impossibility but the suggestion or intention is interesting. Ligeti in his Aventures imagined a solid infinite block of sound that one experienced for a period but without beginning or end. Something I havent found enough information on so far is the aspect of music, psychology is too restricted a word, which effects ones "physically conscious" self. Why does music make more emotional sense than most other things to me? It seems to allow for an expansion of consciousness which I havent seen developed in other art forms. The Sufi mystic and musician Hazrat Inayat Khan has some very interesting writing, David Borgo's book Synch or swarm is interesting but ignores the "psychic" interplay between audience/performers that can occur. What I "want" is a musical theory/framework which can deal with diverse psychological phenomena. I still love notes and all that stuff but it seems to me the only important factor is how it effects the recipient. I think feedback loops have a huge role in determining the wiring of for example a group performance or composition, I'm only coming to terms with them via Fritjof Capra's web of life. For me the cyclic metaphor is liberating because it seems to partially resolve the composition/improvisation problem I have in never being totally satisfied with either, the cycle or feedback loop having the ability to encompass any situation. I dont think any music theory has really taken into account feedback loops in the contemporary sense. With a feedback loop one can create a living or developing system which seems to me infinitely interesting. I agree with you about absurd logic but I would say that in my ownexperience it is lack of absurdity that is illogical<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Adam Davis" <TECHNOHEAD3D@GOOGLEMAIL.COM><BR>To: microsound@microsound.org<BR>Subject: Re: [microsound] meta-theoryI <BR>Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:45:30 +0100<BR><BR>
<DIV>This comparison may be rather crude, but I think trying to answer that question is analogous to a very prehistoric human trying to deduce what is beyond the big blue thing above it. I'd say probably millions of years from now, we will need extreme innovations that will physically manifest what we qould now consider to be absurd illogic. Take the Law of the Excluded Middle, for instance. It states that everything must either be or not be...but what if the "postposthuman" technology I just speculated would invert such a law and allow something to be physically being and not being, simultaneously on, say, the macroscale. Or, for an infinite impossibility to actually occurr whilst still remaining infinitely impossible. </DIV>
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<DIV>Paradox: A frontier outside of infinity...but surely infinity, because of it's infinite nature, would encompass the frontier outside of it; feedback, a loop...thus the need for cyclo-anarchic technology that will allow paradoxes to be transcended and for a "frontier outside of infinity" to be explored...for absurd illogic to exist and to be explored physically. </DIV>
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<DIV>I'd love to hear some of your ideas too :)</DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>microsound mailing list<BR>microsound@microsound.org<BR>http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>
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