[microsound] why i'm not excited about Live
Max & Mark
expe at madicoinc.com
Thu Jan 29 10:18:34 EST 2009
So what do u use then ?
De : microsound-bounces at or8.net [mailto:microsound-bounces at or8.net] De la
part de CraqueMat
Envoyé : 19 janvier 2009 13:03
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Objet : Re: [microsound] why i'm not excited about Live
I've tried to embrace Ableton Live, I truly have.
I grew up on "real DAW" before the D was even part of it (remember
before the Internet that thing called just "MOTU Performer" and it's
multiple copy-protected floppies?), so maybe I'm just being too inflexible.
And frankly, I haven't explored Live beyond the versions I can get, uh,
"preview copies" of. However, it's such a delicate DRM matter that I'd
rather not bother, because it could stop working, so I don't.
I like some of the GUI benefits of Live. It makes for a quick work flow,
maybe too quick, maybe too easy. When I use Live, I feel like I'm
playing with a toy, which may not be a bad thing, but in so many cases I
have gotten going in one direction and hit walls that I don't encounter
in DP or Logic. So much so, that it's been frustrating to the point that
I can't use Live because I know the walls are there, and Live will force
me to work in a certain Live-Paradigm that sometimes just isn't
complemented by my brain (and vice versa) or what I want to accomplish
It's extremely cost prohibitive for me as well. Laying down several
hundred clams on a DAW means to me: you're using that DAW until you get
your money's worth. When I wonder about how many people I know use these
software packages illegally, I also wonder about how many people
actually pay for them, and what the real market demand is. In other
words, the sort of grassroots/DIY/homemade music (that I'm interested in
at least) isn't made by people that have a few grand of cash lying
around to buy software to help them make music. There's a weird
economical constant buried in there someplace, because I know software
piracy in the underground electronica world is pretty rampant. Is this
part of the "academic" dichotomy? I don't really know, but it feels to
me like academes probably have easier "legal" access to this software
than a grassroots musician does.
In the end, I don't use things like Max/MSP and Live because they are
not the way I think about making music, in fact I often feel like they
get IN the way. I'm much more tactile, I get very easily frustrated
that, when using "software" to *create* music, I become lost in the
creation of the software and not the making of music. This is probably a
hangover from being a classical musician, where the means to create are
immediately at hand (or throat, as the case may be).
Pluggo is plenty for me, in other words. While I know the DSP folks will
friggin love the Live/Max marriage, I don't see a use for it. I know
it's a flexible program, I have a good friend who uses it religiously,
and *I* was the one to get him to move off ACID onto Live. Personally, I
feel like Live forces me to work in a particular way with a
particular... well, "groove", for lack of a better word. That may be a
preset/customization argument, but when I see how cookie cutter Live has
gotten (it's not nearly as slim as it used to be, I get easily confused
looking at its interface nowadays, and now it seems like nearly EVERY
plugin has its own catalog of presets), it doesn't enamor me to use it.
Neil Clopton wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:00 AM, <microsound-request at microsound.org
> <mailto:microsound-request at microsound.org>> wrote:
> > Firstly, Live can be used in a more traditional linear way in
> > 'Arrangement' view at the tap of a button.
> I spend ~98% of my time in Live in the Arrangement view.
> > Just because it is
> > capable of undertaking loop based sequencing, does not mean that
> > the software is a one trick pony, and therefore should be
> > discounted without question.
> I think a lot of people are not aware of how Live's features and
> ambitions have grown. Especiallly since version 6, Live has become a
> full featured DAW with good MIDI, recording and ReWire support.
> DJ Dual Core's Blog
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