[microsound] why i'm not excited about Live

[Graham Miller]

$500 is extremely reasonable for the software... and i buy everything  
that is on my hard drive. there are a ton of less expensive options  
as well for live, including the LE and free lite versions, not to  
mention their generous trial demo versions...

g.

p.s. there are limitless ways to use live. it's not all about 4/4  
techno loops. use your imagination. i can't think of any 'DAW' (which  
live is and isn't) that encourages a more customizable and  
individualistic user experience. no two people use this software the  
same way.

>
> It's extremely cost prohibitive for me as well. Laying down several
> hundred clams on a DAW means to me: you're using that DAW until you  
> get
> your money's worth. When I wonder about how many people I know use  
> these
> software packages illegally, I also wonder about how many people
> actually pay for them, and what the real market demand is. In other
> words, the sort of grassroots/DIY/homemade music (that I'm  
> interested in
> at least) isn't made by people that have a few grand of cash lying
> around to buy software to help them make music. There's a weird
> economical constant buried in there someplace, because I know software
> piracy in the underground electronica world is pretty rampant. Is this
> part of the "academic" dichotomy? I don't really know, but it feels to
> me like academes probably have easier "legal" access to this software
> than a grassroots musician does.
>
> In the end, I don't use things like Max/MSP and Live because they are
> not the way I think about making music, in fact I often feel like they
> get IN the way. I'm much more tactile, I get very easily frustrated
> that, when using "software" to *create* music, I become lost in the
> creation of the software and not the making of music. This is  
> probably a
> hangover from being a classical musician, where the means to create  
> are
> immediately at hand (or throat, as the case may be).
>
> Pluggo is plenty for me, in other words. While I know the DSP folks  
> will
> friggin love the Live/Max marriage, I don't see a use for it. I know
> it's a flexible program, I have a good friend who uses it religiously,
> and *I* was the one to get him to move off ACID onto Live.  
> Personally, I
> feel like Live forces me to work in a particular way with a
> particular... well, "groove", for lack of a better word. That may be a
> preset/customization argument, but when I see how cookie cutter  
> Live has
> gotten (it's not nearly as slim as it used to be, I get easily  
> confused
> looking at its interface nowadays, and now it seems like nearly EVERY
> plugin has its own catalog of presets), it doesn't enamor me to use  
> it.
>
> Neil Clopton wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:00 AM, <microsound-request at microsound.org
>> <mailto:microsound-request at microsound.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Firstly, Live can be used in a more traditional linear way in
>>> 'Arrangement' view at the tap of a button.
>>
>>
>> I spend ~98% of my time in Live in the Arrangement view.
>>
>>> Just because it is
>>> capable of undertaking loop based sequencing, does not mean that
>>> the software is a one trick pony, and therefore should be
>>> discounted without question.
>>
>>
>> I think a lot of people are not aware of how Live's features and
>> ambitions have grown.  Especiallly since version 6, Live has become a
>> full featured DAW with good MIDI, recording and ReWire support.
>>
>> -- 
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>> http://oldmixtapes.blogspot.com/
>>
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