[codecraft] codecraft chat

Sat Nov 17 10:38:15 EST 2018

Ok, thanks, I'm asking everyone in #sourcefu on freenode how they feel
about switching to Gitter: http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2018-11-17

Here's what I've written so far:

sourcefu.com expires in 11 days on November 28th and once again I'm
thinking about letting it expire. And shutting down this channel. I still
like the idea, a software development community with an emphasis on
friendliness, transparency, and open source, but I think we could have a
better brand, a better name.

One idea I have is to relaunch on Gitter with something like "codecraft" in
the name, as I wrote about at
http://or8.net/pipermail/codecraft/2018-October/000249.html

Gitter has an IRC gateway that I use all the time.

Or I could relaunch on freenode under a new name, I suppose, but freenode
doesn't seem to appreciate public logging very much.
https://freenode.net/policies#public-logging starts with "If you are
considering publishing channel logs, think it through."

So Gitter seems like a better cultural fit for me. I feel more aligned with
the amount of transparency Gitter promotes.

On a related note, I proposed a talk with the title "Transparency in chat
culture: Gitter vs. IRC, Slack, and the rest" for next year's LibrePlanet.
"The culture of transparency Gitter brings to chat is healthy for free
software. IRC, XMPP, Slack, and almost every other chat system encourage
decision making behind closed doors."

http://wiki.greptilian.com/talks/ideas/transparency-in-chat-culture-gitter-vs-irc-slack-and-the-rest/

I'm open to other chat platforms that have a similar culture of
transparency, but they're hard to find. Matrix/Riot seems like a contender
but this issue I opened is a deal breaker for me: "URL for an arbitrary day
of history and navigation for next and previous days"
https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/7677

We have this already in this channel, of course:
http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2018-11-17

aditsu bear codex dotplus kzisme prologic semiosis sivoais_ tumdedum: If we
swiched from freenode to Gitter (again, there's an IRC gateway I use all
the time), would you come along?

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 12:36 PM Michael Bar-Sinai <mich.barsinai at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Turns out we're not the only one that thought o the name "code craft", eh?
>
> I think a GitHub organization makes more sense than putting CodeCraft repo
> under a personal account. And "codecraft-club" sounds great.
>
> On 19 Oct 2018, at 3:20, Philip Durbin <philipdurbin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ok. The other thought I had is that we could create a GitHub organization.
> That way, we could have a place to keep some code if we want to. For
> example, I've been thinking I'd use
> https://github.com/minrk/archive-gitter or a variant thereof for data
> liberation of the Gitter messages and while we're at it, it might be nice
> to preserve the archives of http://or8.net/pipermail/codecraft/ as well.
>
> I've been playing around a bit with the Gitter code (I even got a tiny
> pull request merged:
> https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitter/webapp/blob/develop/CHANGELOG.md#19180-2018-9-5
> ) and it's highly oriented toward GitHub. So we could create a GitHub
> organization. "codecraft" is already taken on GitHub (I guess we should
> have grabbed it over three years ago when we started this mailing list).
> What would be a good name for a GitHub organization? codecraft-club? I'm
> open to ideas here as well. Once we have a GitHub organization, the chat
> could be called anything on the Gitter side. I think the default might be
> "lobby" or something.
>
> Another thought is that we could create a Gitter channel as a GitHub repo
> under one of our github usernames. It could be
> https://github.com/michbarsinai/codecraft or
> https://github.com/pdurbin/codecraft or whatever. This repo could be
> where we keep any code as well. And we could all fork it so there are
> multiple copies so it's distributed.
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:22 AM Michael Bar-Sinai <
> mich.barsinai at icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> Codecraft-chat works, I think.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 17 Oct 2018, at 4:05, Philip Durbin <philipdurbin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sadly, "codecraft" is already taken on Gitter (screenshots attached).
>>
>> What do folks think? "codecraft-chat" instead? I'm open to ideas.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM Michael Bar-Sinai <
>> mich.barsinai at icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds good to me :-)
>>>
>>> On 14 Oct 2018, at 22:01, Philip Durbin <philipdurbin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nope. We'd keep the mailing list.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 3:02 PM Michael Bar-Sinai <
>>> mich.barsinai at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting. Would this replace the mailing list?
>>>>
>>>> > On 14 Oct 2018, at 17:52, Philip Durbin <philipdurbin at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm considering creating a Gitter channel for codecraft. What do you
>>>> all think?
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