I knew someone was going to say that as soon as I sent my message, hehe :S<div><br></div><div>But, think about it, you are comparing the creation of a weapon of mass destruction to a man who created a company which created somewhat pricey, stylish consumer technology :P</div>
<div><br></div><div>What I meant by that, is, he did POSITIVELY influence the world of technology in many ways.</div><div><br></div><div>Barack Obama writes:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;line-height:19px;font-family:sans-serif">"Steve was among the greatest of American innovators — brave enough to think differently, bold enough to believe he could change the world, and talented enough to do it. By building one of the planet’s most successful companies from his garage, he exemplified the spirit of American ingenuity. By making computers personal and putting the internet in our pockets, he made the information revolution not only accessible, but intuitive and fun. And by turning his talents to storytelling, he has brought joy to millions of children and grownups alike. Steve was fond of saying that he lived every day like it was his last. Because he did, he transformed our lives, redefined entire industries, and achieved one of the rarest feats in human history: he changed the way each of us sees the world."</span><br>
<br></div><div>Yes, he may have utilized outsourcing, but so does pretty much every other company that you use the services of daily. If you think Apple is evil because of that, you might as well also find all of these companies (and more) equally evil:</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/popups/exporting.america/content.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/popups/exporting.america/content.html</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>And with that, I am done. As I said, RIP Steve, he will be missed. If you wish to speak about this in the way you have been any further, go troll an apple forum or something.</div><div><br></div><div>
--Stelpa</div>
<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Marco Donnarumma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:devel@thesaddj.com" target="_blank">devel@thesaddj.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Also the creation of the Atomic Bomb greatly contributed to the world of science and technology.</div><div><br></div><div>(I know this sound provocative, but I care about how bad a person was and I'm not childishly saying he was THE EVIL.. Anyway, apologies.)</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>M</div><div><br></div><div> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:11 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beatthefinalboss@gmail.com" target="_blank">beatthefinalboss@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">He was the leader of a large company. So large, that he most likely didn't control such things (They may have been handled by a separate department). Also, a death should never be "cheered', no matter how bad the person was, and this person, even if they did some bad things, also contributed very much to the world of technology.<div>
<br></div><div>--Stelpa<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Laura Mello <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lauramello@gmx.at" target="_blank">lauramello@gmx.at</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hi peoples,<br>
<br>
A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/" target="_blank">http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/</a><br>
<br>
Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means:<br></div><div><div></div><div>
"Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce Iphones.<br>
<br>
So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who dedicated his life to fairness.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
Laura<br>
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From: Michael Mantra <<a href="mailto:michael_mantra@yahoo.com" target="_blank">michael_mantra@yahoo.com</a>><br>
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Hey You All,<br>
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Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told<br>
me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking.<br>
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Michael<br>
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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:27:22 -0400<br>
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You have a point, there :)<br>
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But, quoting shakespeare: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" :P<br>
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On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM, yugen <<a href="mailto:david@yugen-art.org" target="_blank">david@yugen-art.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Granular Synthesis and other Microsound techniques are quite a bit older<br>
> than the Macintosh computer :P<br>
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><br>
> that's surely right.<br>
> but the term microsound was coined by Curtis Roads in his 2001 book, in<br>
> full-on apple era ;-)<br>
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and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted<br>
twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write<br>
them. back into the background for me.<br>
<br>
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On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote:<br>
> Hey You All,<br>
><br>
> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told<br>
> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking.<br>
><br>
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It's fine, lurking is an art form, I would know ;)<br>
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On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:29 AM, norhal el halwagy<br>
<<a href="mailto:cntrl.alt.del@gmail.com" target="_blank">cntrl.alt.del@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
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> and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted twice.<br>
> i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back into<br>
> the background for me.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hey You All,<br>
>><br>
>> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge<br>
>> fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain.<br>
>> The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing<br>
>> skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve<br>
>> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a<br>
>> One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I<br>
>> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist.<br>
>> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need<br>
>> us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this<br>
>> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since<br>
>> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And<br>
>> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they<br>
>> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told<br>
>> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and<br>
>> the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to<br>
>> lurking.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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hey guys, no problem about that.<br>
i have already sorted out everything with Norhal in private. i just<br>
can suggest that you motivate your thinking, as you both did in your<br>
second emails.<br>
that may help better understand your point and enrich the discussion<br>
too. ;-)<br>
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take care,<br>
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david.<br>
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> and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted<br>
> twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write<br>
> them. back into the background for me.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote:<br>
>> Hey You All,<br>
>><br>
>> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be<br>
>> a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer<br>
>> rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had<br>
>> some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad<br>
>> marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics<br>
>> whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC<br>
>> philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been<br>
>> using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist.<br>
>> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did<br>
>> not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any<br>
>> more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it<br>
>> to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user<br>
>> group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the<br>
>> camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly<br>
>> with Steve or interviewed with them and they told<br>
>> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and<br>
>> unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get<br>
>> off my soap box and go back to lurking.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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