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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: isjtar <list@isjtar.org><BR>Subject: Re: [microsound] [microsound-announce] (amb) Thoughtless idiots who masquerade as supporters of small labels<BR>To: microsound@microsound.org<BR>Date: Monday, May 9, 2011, 6:18 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>personally, I don't spend money on music anymore (to listen to that is)</DIV>
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<DIV>however, if there would be a subscription service with a large selection of obscure stuff, I'd really dig that.</DIV>
<DIV>experimental stuff with it's extreme highs and lows really fit this model as you don't take the same "risk" as buying an album.</DIV>
<DIV>with some community features it would also help me find things, don't have the time anymore to be really "into it" if you know what I mean.</DIV>
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<DIV>then secondly, David, the amounts you're talking about are so low, can you not get some type of grant or a fundraising?</DIV>
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<DIV>On 08 May 2011, at 16:56, David Newman wrote:</DIV><BR class=yiv1611402194Apple-interchange-newline>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=yiv1611402194953385514-08052011><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I have never illegally downloaded music - fact.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Maya R. Odinezenko [mailto:maya@elevatorium.org] <BR><B>Sent:</B> 08 May 2011 15:43<BR><B>To:</B> David Newman<BR><B>Cc:</B> <<A href="http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=idm@hyperreal.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:idm@hyperreal.org">idm@hyperreal.org</A>>; ambient; <<A href="http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net">microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net</A>><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: (amb) Thoughtless idiots who masquerade as supporters of small labels<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>No, I am not naive.</DIV>
<DIV>I've been in the industry and I know how it is.</DIV>
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<DIV>You're taking this way too personally, as in the person deliberately planned to hurt you and specifically you only.</DIV>
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<DIV>People do not share for an ego boost. They share bc they want people to hear what they feel is great music. And they will buy the CD. If they don't buy today, they will tomorrow. They *WILL* always buy. For those who don't buy this release, they'll buy the next one. However, as long as one puts out quality, they'll always be able to sell it.</DIV>
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<DIV>Do not think like a major label, bc look at the state they're all in. They cry and cry and still make cookie cutter crap.</DIV>
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<DIV>For the love of music, please get off your high horse and calm down. I bet you've downloaded music before. You cannot say you didn't, bc anyone who owns a computer and has a brain downloads music.</DIV>
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<DIV>A ton of people in the industry download music.<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On May 7, 2011, at 12:08 PM, "David Newman" <<A href="http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dwnewman@clara.co.uk" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:dwnewman@clara.co.uk">dwnewman@clara.co.uk</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=yiv1611402194468300216-07052011><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You are so naive</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=yiv1611402194468300216-07052011><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The artist has made the music over a course of years. It is ambient music.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=yiv1611402194468300216-07052011><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>He has worked on his craft to the point where a label is prepared to invest in getting it made into a CD, promoted and sold.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=yiv1611402194468300216-07052011><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I don't do this for the money - I do it for the love of the music. I work hours and hours and hours per week on it. As well as hold down my main job. I do it out of love for the music.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=yiv1611402194468300216-07052011><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>But if I invest £900 and don't receive a near break even return then I go out of business and the music is not released.... the smaller labels get forced out and we are left with myspace unsigned and the majors.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Maya R. Odinezenko [mailto:maya@elevatorium.org] <BR><B>Sent:</B> 07 May 2011 16:11<BR><B>To:</B> David Newman<BR><B>Cc:</B> <<A href="http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=idm@hyperreal.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:idm@hyperreal.org">idm@hyperreal.org</A>>; ambient; <<A href="http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net">microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net</A>><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: (amb) Thoughtless idiots who masquerade as supporters of small labels<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Honestly, I really wouldn't complain.</DIV>
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<DIV>I know this will come off as harsh, but it really bothers me people use this list more for promoting their own stuff than just talking about ambient music.</DIV>
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<DIV>You're already investing in making music, but it sounds like you're involved more fir making some sort if cash flow as opposed to just making music for the sake of art/the love of it.</DIV>
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<DIV>If I were a musician, I'd be flattered my music was being shared. At least it's good enough to be shared. If people dig it, they will buy it. There are a ton of artists I invested in after I downloaded their stuff.</DIV>
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<DIV>The investment is there for you, don't blame file sharing for losing sales. Maybe people want to try before they buy, bc technology in this day and age allows them to do so.</DIV>
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<DIV>Just saying.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On May 7, 2011, at 9:27 AM, "David Newman" <<A href="http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dwnewman@clara.co.uk" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:dwnewman@clara.co.uk"></A><A href="http://us.mc393.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dwnewman@clara.co.uk" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:dwnewman@clara.co.uk">dwnewman@clara.co.uk</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=yiv1611402194031111013-07052011>To the thoughtless idiots....</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=yiv1611402194031111013-07052011>So here I am 3 weeks from the release of a beautiful album by A Dancing Beggar. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=yiv1611402194031111013-07052011><A href="http://www.audiobulb.com/albums/AB036/AB036.htm" target=_blank rel=nofollow></A><A href="http://www.audiobulb.com/albums/AB036/AB036.htm" target=_blank rel=nofollow></A><A href="http://www.audiobulb.com/albums/AB036/AB036.htm" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.audiobulb.com/albums/AB036/AB036.htm</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=yiv1611402194031111013-07052011>The album has been sent out as per usual to 120 reviewers on our promo list. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=yiv1611402194031111013-07052011>One or more of these people who purport to support independent music and small labels has uploaded the album onto every file sharing platform there is.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=yiv1611402194031111013-07052011>So it's out - people can help themselves for free. The £200 I spent on postage won't get recouped, the £750 I spent on making the CD won't get recouped. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=yiv1611402194031111013-07052011></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=yiv1611402194031111013-07052011>Some people think it's easy balancing the books if you are a record small record company - I can tell you it is not. I only made 500 of these and if I don't get close to £900 back I can see <STRONG>Audiobulb sinking/closing for good.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=yiv1611402194031111013-07052011>So you may be thinking why am I ranting at you? Well I don't know who has done this - they hide behind stupid names in Fileshare etc - but whoever you are - <STRONG>you are selfish, thoughtless and stupid.</STRONG></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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