<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>personally, I don't spend money on music anymore (to listen to that is)</div><div><br></div><div>however, if there would be a subscription service with a large selection of obscure stuff, I'd really dig that.</div><div>experimental stuff with it's extreme highs and lows really fit this model as you don't take the same "risk" as buying an album.</div><div>with some community features it would also help me find things, don't have the time anymore to be really "into it" if you know what I mean.</div><div><br></div><div>then secondly, David, the amounts you're talking about are so low, can you not get some type of grant or a fundraising?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 08 May 2011, at 16:56, David Newman wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="953385514-08052011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I have never illegally downloaded music -
fact.</font></span></div>
<div> </div><p align="left"><span lang="en-gb"><font face="Arial" size="1">David
Newman</font></span></p><p align="left"><span lang="en-gb"></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><span class="437022919-09122009"><a href="http://www.audiomoves.com/"><font color="#008080" size="1">http://www.audiomoves.com</font></a><font color="#008080"><font size="1"> <font color="#808080">| </font><span class="style9"><font color="#808080">Audiomoves > <em>Digital audio
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Maya R. Odinezenko
[mailto:maya@elevatorium.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> 08 May 2011 15:43<br><b>To:</b>
David Newman<br><b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:idm@hyperreal.org">idm@hyperreal.org</a>>; ambient;
<<a href="mailto:microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net">microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: (amb)
Thoughtless idiots who masquerade as supporters of small
labels<br></font><br></div>
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<div>No, I am not naive.</div>
<div>I've been in the industry and I know how it is.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>You're taking this way too personally, as in the person deliberately
planned to hurt you and specifically you only.</div>
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<div>People do not share for an ego boost. They share bc they want people
to hear what they feel is great music. And they will buy the CD. If
they don't buy today, they will tomorrow. They *WILL* always buy.
For those who don't buy this release, they'll buy the next one.
However, as long as one puts out quality, they'll always be able to sell
it.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Do not think like a major label, bc look at the state they're all in.
They cry and cry and still make cookie cutter crap.</div>
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<div>For the love of music, please get off your high horse and calm down.
I bet you've downloaded music before. You cannot say you didn't, bc
anyone who owns a computer and has a brain downloads music.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>A ton of people in the industry download music.<br><br>Sent from my
iPhone</div>
<div><br>On May 7, 2011, at 12:08 PM, "David Newman" <<a href="mailto:dwnewman@clara.co.uk">dwnewman@clara.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468300216-07052011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Maya</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468300216-07052011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468300216-07052011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">You are so naive</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468300216-07052011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468300216-07052011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">The artist has made the music over a course of
years. It is ambient music.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468300216-07052011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468300216-07052011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">He has worked on his craft to the point where a label is
prepared to invest in getting it made into a CD, promoted and
sold.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468300216-07052011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468300216-07052011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I don't do this for the money - I do it for the love of
the music. I work hours and hours and hours per week on it. As well as hold
down my main job. I do it out of love for the music.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468300216-07052011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468300216-07052011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">But if I invest £900 and don't receive a near break even
return then I go out of business and the music is not released.... the smaller
labels get forced out and we are left with myspace unsigned and the
majors.</font></span></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font> </div><p align="left"><span lang="en-gb"><font face="Arial" size="1">David
Newman</font></span></p><p align="left"><span lang="en-gb"></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><span class="437022919-09122009"><a href="http://www.audiomoves.com/"><font color="#008080" size="1">http://www.audiomoves.com</font></a><font color="#008080"><font size="1"> <font color="#808080">| </font><span class="style9"><font color="#808080">Audiomoves > <em>Digital audio
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</span></font></font></span></o:p></span></o:p></span></p><p align="left"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><span class="437022919-09122009"><font color="#008080"><font size="1"><span class="style9"></span></font></font></span></o:p></span></o:p></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><span><a href="blocked::http://www.audiobulb.com/"><span style="COLOR: navy"><font face="Arial" color="#008080" size="1">http://www.audiobulb.com</font></span></a><font size="1"><font color="#008080"><font face="Arial"> <font color="#808080"><span class="437022919-09122009">| <span style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Audiobulb Records
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Maya R. Odinezenko
[mailto:maya@elevatorium.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> 07 May 2011 16:11<br><b>To:</b>
David Newman<br><b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:idm@hyperreal.org">idm@hyperreal.org</a>>; ambient; <<a href="mailto:microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net">microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: (amb) Thoughtless idiots who masquerade as supporters of small
labels<br></font><br></div>
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<div>Honestly, I really wouldn't complain.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I know this will come off as harsh, but it really bothers me people use
this list more for promoting their own stuff than just talking about ambient
music.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>You're already investing in making music, but it sounds like you're
involved more fir making some sort if cash flow as opposed to just making
music for the sake of art/the love of it.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If I were a musician, I'd be flattered my music was being shared.
At least it's good enough to be shared. If people dig it, they
will buy it. There are a ton of artists I invested in after I downloaded
their stuff.</div>
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<div>The investment is there for you, don't blame file sharing for losing
sales. Maybe people want to try before they buy, bc technology in this
day and age allows them to do so.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Just saying.</div>
<div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On May 7, 2011, at 9:27 AM, "David Newman" <<a href="mailto:dwnewman@clara.co.uk"></a><a href="mailto:dwnewman@clara.co.uk">dwnewman@clara.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011">To the
thoughtless idiots....</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011"></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011">So here I am 3
weeks from the release of a beautiful album by A Dancing Beggar.
</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011"></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011"><a href="http://www.audiobulb.com/albums/AB036/AB036.htm"></a><a href="http://www.audiobulb.com/albums/AB036/AB036.htm"></a><a href="http://www.audiobulb.com/albums/AB036/AB036.htm">http://www.audiobulb.com/albums/AB036/AB036.htm</a></span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011"></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011">The album has
been sent out as per usual to 120 reviewers on our promo list.
</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011">One or
more of these people who purport to support independent music and small
labels has uploaded the album onto every file sharing platform there
is.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011"></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011">So it's out -
people can help themselves for free. The £200 I spent on postage won't get
recouped, the £750 I spent on making the CD won't get recouped.
</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011"></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011"></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011">Some people think it's easy balancing the books if
you are a record small record company - I can tell you it is not. I only
made 500 of these and if I don't get close to £900 back I can see
<strong>Audiobulb sinking/closing for good.</strong></span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011"></span></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="031111013-07052011">So you may be
thinking why am I ranting at you? Well I don't know who has done this - they
hide behind stupid names in Fileshare etc - but whoever you are -
<strong>you are selfish, thoughtless and
stupid.</strong></span></font></div>
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