<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">hi!<br><br>just yesterday we released a work about it:<br><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.tecnonucleo.org/index.php?page=release&release=25">http://www.tecnonucleo.org/index.php?page=release&release=25</a></span><br><br>I hope you like it!<br><div> </div>marcos<br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.tecnonucleo.org">www.tecnonucleo.org</a></span><div><br></div><div style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">De:</span></b> Sofus Forsberg <sofus@foppa.dk><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Para:</span></b> microsound@microsound.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Enviado:</span></b>
mar,14 diciembre, 2010 15:24<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Asunto:</span></b> Re: [microsound] "No Input Mixing Board"<br></font><br>My Ensoniq DP-4 got busted some years ago, from making feedback with it. Now<br>it ONLY distorts, so you can damage your gear from making feedback loops<br>with it. I also thought that it was impossible, but i guess you can fuck up<br>the input step somehow... :D<br><br><br>> From: "Andrew C. Smith" <<a ymailto="mailto:andrewchristophersmith@gmail.com" href="mailto:andrewchristophersmith@gmail.com">andrewchristophersmith@gmail.com</a>><br>> Reply-To: <<a ymailto="mailto:microsound@microsound.org" href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org">microsound@microsound.org</a>><br>> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:00:01 -0500<br>> To: <<a ymailto="mailto:microsound@microsound.org" href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org">microsound@microsound.org</a>>, <<a ymailto="mailto:mis@artengine.ca"
href="mailto:mis@artengine.ca">mis@artengine.ca</a>><br>> Cc: Nic Freed <<a ymailto="mailto:beatthefinalboss@gmail.com" href="mailto:beatthefinalboss@gmail.com">beatthefinalboss@gmail.com</a>><br>> Subject: Re: [microsound] "No Input Mixing Board"<br>> <br>> Nakamura came to play in Brooklyn a few months back, and actually had a whole<br>> rack mount setup with digital reverb and all kinds of effects. Sort of a<br>> surprise, to me anyway (I'm only a little familiar with his music), but it was<br>> interesting how the feeding back mixer was juxtaposed with this totally stock,<br>> everyday digital reverb sound.<br>> <br>> Also, you may just want to try asking around and seeing if you can borrow a<br>> cheap mixer and patch cables from anyone. To my knowledge, no-input feedback<br>> can't ruin a board, and most pros (even most amateurs) have a few extra small<br>> mixers sitting around. If you try a few out
you may know better what to look<br>> for when you go to the music shop.<br>> <br>> Since no one else said it yet: don't use headphones.<br>> <br>> Good luck.<br>> <br>> Andrew<br>> <br>> On Dec 14, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Michal Seta wrote:<br>> <br>>> You could probably get a Behringer 8 channel mixer for less than a<br>>> 100$ at your local music equipment store. Those are totally useless<br>>> for pro-audio but they should fit your needs. Of course you also need<br>>> a lot of patch cords. You may want to check your nearest electronics<br>>> surplus store, they may have good deals on cables (maybe even some<br>>> amateur mixing boards!). Just make sure that when you are buying a<br>>> mixer to use as a musical instrument, there are more outputs than just<br>>> Main Out (hopefully Aux and/or Fx and maybe even direct out) for<br>>> increased
flexibility of routing signals.<br>>> <br>>> Here's one good deal for a Behringer:<br>>> <a href="http://bit.ly/f4JPqy" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/f4JPqy</a><br>>> <br>>> You could also check some local classifieds listings but I would<br>>> advise that when you buy this kind of stuff (especially online or<br>>> through an ad) you do it with an adult, hopefully someone who<br>>> understands your needs and what you are buying to some extent.<br>>> <br>>> Cheers.<br>>> <br>>> ./MiS<br>>> <br>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Nic Freed <<a ymailto="mailto:beatthefinalboss@gmail.com" href="mailto:beatthefinalboss@gmail.com">beatthefinalboss@gmail.com</a>><br>>> wrote:<br>>>> Thank you very much for replying so fast! I do like Larseneurs, but I do not<br>>>> speak french, so I do not know how much I can use their site :(<br>>>> You
explained that very well, and now that I understand, I am very anxious<br>>>> to try ;)<br>>>> If you don't mind my asking, where might I get a cheap mixing board with an<br>>>> input and output? Maybe somewhere on ebay or something?<br>>>> Thanks again!<br>>>> --Nic<br>>>> <br>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Michal Seta <<a ymailto="mailto:mis@artengine.ca" href="mailto:mis@artengine.ca">mis@artengine.ca</a>> wrote:<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Hi Nic,<br>>>>> <br>>>>> The base idea behind the no input mixing board is that a mixing board<br>>>>> is never perfectly silent. It is then expected that when you plug its<br>>>>> output to its input, the inherent noise (or hum) that is within the<br>>>>> system will quickly start adding itself up and you will be able to<br>>>>> build a feedback
loop. Most mixers have pre-amps built in which can<br>>>>> greatly help you build the sound faster (and they will add a little<br>>>>> bit of noise to the signal as well). You can then use the EQ knobs to<br>>>>> shape the resulting signal.<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Some mixing boards come with built-in effects so you could very easily<br>>>>> start sculpting very intricate soundscapes but if you want to be true<br>>>>> to Nakamura you should use a plain mixing board with only controls<br>>>>> being volume, gain and some EQ (usually just 3 knobs on simple boards:<br>>>>> treble, mid and bass). Note that having multiple mixing strips and<br>>>>> ways of cross-connecting them gives you an advantage (most mixers will<br>>>>> have auxiliary inputs and outputs which you can exploit to make cross<br>>>>>
connections between different strips).<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Getting a cheap mixing board will bring you quick instant<br>>>>> gratification because those will usually have higher signal to noise<br>>>>> ratio. You will be feeding back in no time.<br>>>>> <br>>>>> If such minimal meas of noise making interest you, you may also be<br>>>>> interested in Larseneurs (<a href="http://www.larseneur.net/NewsENG.php" target="_blank">http://www.larseneur.net/NewsENG.php</a>). The<br>>>>> idea being that you simply use a computer and let the sound pass<br>>>>> directly from your microphone input straight to the output. Your only<br>>>>> control is input volume. Your sounds will greatly depend on the<br>>>>> ambient noise.<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Happy feedback!<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> ./MiS<br>>>>> <br>>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Nic Freed <<a ymailto="mailto:beatthefinalboss@gmail.com" href="mailto:beatthefinalboss@gmail.com">beatthefinalboss@gmail.com</a>><br>>>>> wrote:<br>>>>>> Hello :)<br>>>>>> I have become very interested in the works of Toshimaru Nakamura<br>>>>>> recently,<br>>>>>> with his self-named "No-Input Mixing Board", and I would like to learn<br>>>>>> more<br>>>>>> about it. From what I understand, the output of the board is connected<br>>>>>> to<br>>>>>> the input... but if so, where does the initial sound causing the<br>>>>>> feedback<br>>>>>> come from? I would like to try this myself, once I understand it better,<br>>>>>> so<br>>>>>> I was also wondering about
what I would need to purchase to create<br>>>>>> something<br>>>>>> with this method.<br>>>>>> I am 15 years old and without a job, so maybe a cheap mixer and<br>>>>>> something to<br>>>>>> create sound, like a function generator? I would probably try and get it<br>>>>>> for<br>>>>>> my birthday, so it can't be too expensive :x<br>>>>>> Thank you very much, in advance!<br>>>>>> --Nic<br>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>>> microsound mailing list<br>>>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:microsound@microsound.org" href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org">microsound@microsound.org</a><br>>>>>> <a href="http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound" target="_blank">http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound</a><br>>>>>>
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