I was an engaged participant on a number of mailing lists when antiorp joined (mainly emusic-l) and accompanied the phenomenon from beginning to end. I always found antiorp to be a civil, even if sometimes abrasive when ruffled, netizen. The cryptic posts never bothered me and were in fact very interesting in multiple levels. I never understood or agreed with the purity of communication advocated by some of the netiquette/english language zealots, but they got what they wanted in the end. When antiorp morphed into NN some of the "spirit" was lost, primarily because it clearly became a collective with a more diffuse voice. I still prize the copies of the two A9FF releases I helped finance. <br>
<br><div>//p</div><div><a href="http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0">http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0</a></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM, bryan garcia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brymoxine@yahoo.com">brymoxine@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">i've always loved this story of nezvenova. <br>
<br>her/he/their websites were really incredible - and the work was often equally creative. <br><br>is this stuff preserved somewhere ? <br><br>was anyone around for all the drama ? i'de love to hear personal accounts. <br>
<br>anyone know what happened to her/him/them ?<br><br>maybe the mystery is better left obscured. <br><br><br><br><br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 5/27/10, Trond Lossius <i><<a href="mailto:trond.lossius@bek.no" target="_blank">trond.lossius@bek.no</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
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To: <a href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org" target="_blank">microsound@microsound.org</a><br>Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 6:52 AM<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div>> who can tell me something about the first
max-mailing-list (1993-?) which was initiated by christopher murtagh?<br><br><br>It was run on a McGill server, and administered by Chris Murtagh. Following controversies related to antiorp/Netochka Nezvanova he/she/it was voted out of the list ca. 1999. Later on Cycling'74 set up a new list replacing the first one as an attempt at a compromise. On the C74 list subscribers could choose to ignore and not receive posts from select subscribers. Following threats from NN towards C74 for copyright infringements in Jitter versus Nato+0.55 NN was again banned from the list in 2001. BEK then opened the 55 mailing list as an alternative channel, that would remain uncensored. This became a productive scene for discussions in particular related to NN, Nato.0+55 and real time video processing for a period until Jitter, in particular with the switch from OS9 to OSX, evolved as the preferred solution for video processing in the Max community.<br>
<br>The 55 list
remains live, but have been void of traffic for several years now. Archives can be found at:<br><br><a href="https://mail.bek.no/mailman/listinfo/55" target="_blank">https://mail.bek.no/mailman/listinfo/55</a><br><br>When C74 turned from integrated forum and mailing list to a forum only solution, BEK was again asked from various holds to set up an alternative Max mailing list. This mailing list is fairly low traffic, but I find it high quality in terms of replies to questions, often from long-term and seasoned Max users (aka the dinosaurs):<br>
<br><a href="https://mail.bek.no/mailman/listinfo/max" target="_blank">https://mail.bek.no/mailman/listinfo/max</a><br><br>If you want to get in touch with Chris directly, you might get hold of him here:<br><br><a href="http://www.ombu.ca/en/christopher/" target="_blank">http://www.ombu.ca/en/christopher/</a><br>
<br>I don't know if the archive of the list is still available anywhere, but I have local copies of the
mails from my signing up sometime in 1998 until the end of it.<br><br>Salon.com did a quite thorough feature on NN in 2002:<br><br><a href="http://www.salon.com/technology/feature/2002/03/01/netochka" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/technology/feature/2002/03/01/netochka</a><br>
<br><br>Best,<br>Trond<br>_______________________________________________<br>microsound mailing list<br><a href="http://mc/compose?to=microsound@microsound.org" target="_blank">microsound@microsound.org</a><br><a href="http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound" target="_blank">http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound</a><br>
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