No offence David, but if you could have easily mentioned one of a million other events, and given Godwin's (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law</a>), why mention Auschwitz?<div>
<br clear="all">Cheers,<br>Mike<br><br>sings! <a href="http://www.myspace.com/amachineforfinding">http://www.myspace.com/amachineforfinding</a><br>drums! <a href="http://www.myspace.com/battlesnake">http://www.myspace.com/battlesnake</a><br>
narrates! <a href="http://theatreofcomets.blogspot.com">http://theatreofcomets.blogspot.com</a><br>
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<div>And I promise to think twice before hitting send again. I was foolish enough to think this was an innocent offering, not worthy of comment. Should have realized I might provoke the schizm between faith-based and reality-based creation (being sarcastic, don't hit me). Back to lurking. Maybe in another 1.6180339887... years.</div>
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<div>-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:babilano@chello.nl" target="_blank">babilano@chello.nl</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:01:14 +0100<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org" target="_blank">microsound@microsound.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone]<br><br></div>
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<div>I hereby swear to never refer to the holocaust or the nazi's to make a point ever again.</div>
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<div>On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM, David Powers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cyborgk@gmail.com" target="_blank">cyborgk@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote><font color="#ff4b31">As per these claims that "the universe is a complete whole," I can<br>only say that if this is so, then in a world that produced Auschwitz,<br>"the universe is a complete HELL."</font><br>
<br>I prefer to imagine that reality is ontologically open, creation is<br>incomplete, and freedom is a real though extremely fragile<br>possibility.<br><br>This profoundly influences my idea of music, in that I do not believe<br>
great music establishes some perfect mythical harmony between the<br>smallest details and the whole. In my view, music should struggle<br>against such ideological harmony, without necessarily abandoning all<br>structure or denying the relationships between micro and macro<br>
structures. Late Beethoven piano pieces and string quartets are<br>excellent examples of such an approach.<br><br>I agree with you to an extent on "school maths", although I personally<br>think that in the digital age, it's impossible to escape the reign of<br>
mathematics, and so perhaps we shouldn't ignore math but instead try<br>to subvert it.<br><br>PS. The idea of "Golden Ratio Disco" quite amuses me in some way,<br>though I'm somewhat frightened to hear what such a thing sounds like!<br>
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<div><br>On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Chris Bullen<br><<a href="mailto:auralbeesty@btinternet.com" target="_blank">auralbeesty@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br>> When I first saw this appear in my mailbox, I thought it said "Golden Ratio<br>
> Disco".<br>> Was not sure what it was going to be about but it looked as if this might be<br>> a kind of humorous approach or some mental piece of free/shareware. But no,<br>> it was back to the old classical attempt to find mathematical perfection.<br>
> Over 30 years ago, when I was at art school, plenty of dull work was produce<br>> by colleagues claiming they were using a "Golden Section", certainly in<br>> straight painting it never made any great impression on me (one way or<br>
> another), all I thought was "fuck it, school maths! I left home to get away<br>> from this".<br>> Cheers Chrisb<br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Robert Lewis <<a href="mailto:ionizing@gmail.com" target="_blank">ionizing@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org" target="_blank">microsound@microsound.org</a><br>> Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2010 16:18:37<br>> Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to<br>
> someone]<br>><br>> 1) What do you mean by coherence?<br>><br>> systematic consistency across all time and space scales<br>><br>> 2) And how does this relate to the<br>> practice of music?<br>><br>
> the universe is a complete whole<br>><br>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers <<a href="mailto:cyborgk@gmail.com" target="_blank">cyborgk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the<br>
>> practice of music?<br>>><br>>> ***<br>>><br>>> Hypothesis:<br>>> Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what<br>>> is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers,<br>
>> until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic<br>>> mathematics--the language of utopia.<br>>><br>>> ~David<br>>><br>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis <<a href="mailto:ionizing@gmail.com" target="_blank">ionizing@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes but<br>>> > in<br>>> > perception. it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio in<br>>> > the<br>
>> > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of<br>
>> > nature<br>>> ><br>>> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers <<a href="mailto:cyborgk@gmail.com" target="_blank">cyborgk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> >><br>>> >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery<br>
>> >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a<br>>> >> strange coincidence?<br>>> >><br>>> >> ~David<br>>> >><br>>> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d <<a href="mailto:d4l3d@inbox.com" target="_blank">d4l3d@inbox.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> ><br>>> >> > Found this interesting.<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this was<br>>> >> > recently posted through Slashdot:<br>
>> >> ><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > <a href="http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world" target="_blank">http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world</a><br>
>> >> ><br>>> >> > May be useful to someone.<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > s 4 n s [moi]<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> > ________________________________<br>
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