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<DIV>And I promise to think twice before hitting send again. I was foolish enough to think this was an innocent offering, not worthy of comment. Should have realized I might provoke the schizm between faith-based and reality-based creation (being sarcastic, don't hit me). Back to lurking. Maybe in another 1.6180339887... years.</DIV><BR><BR>
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<DIV class=msgHeaders>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> babilano@chello.nl<BR><B>Sent:</B> Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:01:14 +0100<BR><B>To:</B> microsound@microsound.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone]<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I hereby swear to never refer to the holocaust or the nazi's to make a point ever again.</DIV>
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<DIV _class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM, David Powers <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:cyborgk@gmail.com">cyborgk@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE _class="gmail_quote" _style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><FONT color=#ff4b31 _class="Apple-style-span">As per these claims that "the universe is a complete whole," I can<BR>only say that if this is so, then in a world that produced Auschwitz,<BR>"the universe is a complete HELL."</FONT><BR><BR>I prefer to imagine that reality is ontologically open, creation is<BR>incomplete, and freedom is a real though extremely fragile<BR>possibility.<BR><BR>This profoundly influences my idea of music, in that I do not believe<BR>great music establishes some perfect mythical harmony between the<BR>smallest details and the whole. In my view, music should struggle<BR>against such ideological harmony, without necessarily abandoning all<BR>structure or denying the relationships between micro and macro<BR>structures. Late Beethoven piano pieces and string quartets are<BR>excellent examples of such an approach.<BR><BR>I agree with you to an extent on "school maths", although I personally<BR>think that in the digital age, it's impossible to escape the reign of<BR>mathematics, and so perhaps we shouldn't ignore math but instead try<BR>to subvert it.<BR><BR>PS. The idea of "Golden Ratio Disco" quite amuses me in some way,<BR>though I'm somewhat frightened to hear what such a thing sounds like!<BR>
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<DIV _class="h5"><BR>On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Chris Bullen<BR><<A href="mailto:auralbeesty@btinternet.com">auralbeesty@btinternet.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> When I first saw this appear in my mailbox, I thought it said "Golden Ratio<BR>> Disco".<BR>> Was not sure what it was going to be about but it looked as if this might be<BR>> a kind of humorous approach or some mental piece of free/shareware. But no,<BR>> it was back to the old classical attempt to find mathematical perfection.<BR>> Over 30 years ago, when I was at art school, plenty of dull work was produce<BR>> by colleagues claiming they were using a "Golden Section", certainly in<BR>> straight painting it never made any great impression on me (one way or<BR>> another), all I thought was "fuck it, school maths! I left home to get away<BR>> from this".<BR>> Cheers Chrisb<BR>> ________________________________<BR>> From: Robert Lewis <<A href="mailto:ionizing@gmail.com">ionizing@gmail.com</A>><BR>> To: <A href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org">microsound@microsound.org</A><BR>> Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2010 16:18:37<BR>> Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to<BR>> someone]<BR>><BR>> 1) What do you mean by coherence?<BR>><BR>> systematic consistency across all time and space scales<BR>><BR>> 2) And how does this relate to the<BR>> practice of music?<BR>><BR>> the universe is a complete whole<BR>><BR>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers <<A href="mailto:cyborgk@gmail.com">cyborgk@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the<BR>>> practice of music?<BR>>><BR>>> ***<BR>>><BR>>> Hypothesis:<BR>>> Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what<BR>>> is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers,<BR>>> until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic<BR>>> mathematics--the language of utopia.<BR>>><BR>>> ~David<BR>>><BR>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis <<A href="mailto:ionizing@gmail.com">ionizing@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>> > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes but<BR>>> > in<BR>>> > perception. it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio in<BR>>> > the<BR>>> > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of<BR>>> > nature<BR>>> ><BR>>> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers <<A href="mailto:cyborgk@gmail.com">cyborgk@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery<BR>>> >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a<BR>>> >> strange coincidence?<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> ~David<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d <<A href="mailto:d4l3d@inbox.com">d4l3d@inbox.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > Found this interesting.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this was<BR>>> >> > recently posted through Slashdot:<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > <A href="http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world" target=_blank>http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world</A><BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > May be useful to someone.<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > s 4 n s [moi]<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > ________________________________<BR>>> >> > Free 3D Earth Screensaver<BR>>> >> > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at<BR>>> >> > <A href="http://www.inbox.com/earth" target=_blank>www.inbox.com/earth</A><BR>>> >> > _______________________________________________<BR>>> >> > microsound mailing list<BR>>> >> > <A href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org">microsound@microsound.org</A><BR>>> >> > <A href="http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound" target=_blank>http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound</A><BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> _______________________________________________<BR>>> >> microsound mailing list<BR>>> >> <A href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org">microsound@microsound.org</A><BR>>> >> <A href="http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound" target=_blank>http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound</A><BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > _______________________________________________<BR>>> > microsound mailing list<BR>>> > <A href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org">microsound@microsound.org</A><BR>>> > <A href="http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound" target=_blank>http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound</A><BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>> microsound mailing list<BR>>> <A href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org">microsound@microsound.org</A><BR>>> <A href="http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound" target=_blank>http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound</A><BR>><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> microsound mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org">microsound@microsound.org</A><BR>> <A href="http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound" target=_blank>http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound</A><BR>><BR>><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>microsound mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:microsound@microsound.org">microsound@microsound.org</A><BR><A href="http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound" target=_blank>http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound</A><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>
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