From info at kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net  Tue Jun  5 09:04:52 2012
From: info at kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net (kristof lauwers)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:04:52 +0200
Subject: [microsound] Fw: Save the Logos Foundation!
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1338901500.18211.microsound@or8.net>

(sorry for crossposting)

Dear All,

The Logos Foundation has formed a focal point for experimental 
Belgian and international artists since 1968, showcasing contemporary 
music and sound art.

Our workshops provide space for in-house artists and guests to build 
innovative instruments and develop new technologies. Logos has its 
own orchestra, Man & Machine, which consists of more than 50 
interactive musical robots and is absolutely unique in the world.

Along with numerous other arts organisations, the Logos Foundation 
found out on Friday evening that it will lose its government subsidy 
from 2013 onwards. It is expected to continue with an annual 
allowance of 0 euros, despite receiving two positive recommendations 
from the official evaluation committee. In other words, although both 
its artistic plan and its business plan were judged feasible and 
worthwhile, it was not allocated a subsidy.

Help to save Logos! Convince the Minister of Culture to still 
subsidise our Foundation! Please follow the link below and sign the 
petition and please spread this petition amongst your friends, so the 
Minister of Culture can see the national and international support 
for the Logos Foundation. Thank you!

http://www.logosfoundation.org/save/ 


From iulius at riseup.net  Tue Jun  5 09:27:05 2012
From: iulius at riseup.net (iulius)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:27:05 +0200
Subject: [microsound] Fw: Save the Logos Foundation!
In-Reply-To: <20120605130459.B13DD112E30D@collab.or8.net>
References: <20120605130459.B13DD112E30D@collab.or8.net>
Message-ID: <20120605152705.1a685bca.iulius@riseup.net>

I'm spanish but I have signed it too. Good luck!

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:04:52 +0200
kristof lauwers <info at kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net> wrote:

> (sorry for crossposting)
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> The Logos Foundation has formed a focal point for experimental 
> Belgian and international artists since 1968, showcasing contemporary 
> music and sound art.
> 
> Our workshops provide space for in-house artists and guests to build 
> innovative instruments and develop new technologies. Logos has its 
> own orchestra, Man & Machine, which consists of more than 50 
> interactive musical robots and is absolutely unique in the world.
> 
> Along with numerous other arts organisations, the Logos Foundation 
> found out on Friday evening that it will lose its government subsidy 
> from 2013 onwards. It is expected to continue with an annual 
> allowance of 0 euros, despite receiving two positive recommendations 
> from the official evaluation committee. In other words, although both 
> its artistic plan and its business plan were judged feasible and 
> worthwhile, it was not allocated a subsidy.
> 
> Help to save Logos! Convince the Minister of Culture to still 
> subsidise our Foundation! Please follow the link below and sign the 
> petition and please spread this petition amongst your friends, so the 
> Minister of Culture can see the national and international support 
> for the Logos Foundation. Thank you!
> 
> http://www.logosfoundation.org/save/ 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


-- 
iulius <iulius at riseup.net>

From iulius at riseup.net  Tue Jun  5 09:27:05 2012
From: iulius at riseup.net (iulius)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:27:05 +0200
Subject: [microsound] Fw: Save the Logos Foundation!
In-Reply-To: <20120605130459.B13DD112E30D@collab.or8.net>
References: <20120605130459.B13DD112E30D@collab.or8.net>
Message-ID: <20120605152705.1a685bca.iulius@riseup.net>

I'm spanish but I have signed it too. Good luck!

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:04:52 +0200
kristof lauwers <info at kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net> wrote:

> (sorry for crossposting)
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> The Logos Foundation has formed a focal point for experimental 
> Belgian and international artists since 1968, showcasing contemporary 
> music and sound art.
> 
> Our workshops provide space for in-house artists and guests to build 
> innovative instruments and develop new technologies. Logos has its 
> own orchestra, Man & Machine, which consists of more than 50 
> interactive musical robots and is absolutely unique in the world.
> 
> Along with numerous other arts organisations, the Logos Foundation 
> found out on Friday evening that it will lose its government subsidy 
> from 2013 onwards. It is expected to continue with an annual 
> allowance of 0 euros, despite receiving two positive recommendations 
> from the official evaluation committee. In other words, although both 
> its artistic plan and its business plan were judged feasible and 
> worthwhile, it was not allocated a subsidy.
> 
> Help to save Logos! Convince the Minister of Culture to still 
> subsidise our Foundation! Please follow the link below and sign the 
> petition and please spread this petition amongst your friends, so the 
> Minister of Culture can see the national and international support 
> for the Logos Foundation. Thank you!
> 
> http://www.logosfoundation.org/save/ 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


-- 
iulius <iulius at riseup.net>

From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Tue Jun  5 13:11:14 2012
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:11:14 -0700
Subject: [microsound] ***my monthly reminder***
Message-ID: <4FCE3DB2.6040605@anechoicmedia.com>

DO NOT cross post to the microsound list!

in case some color blind .microsounders missed the red type splattered
on the microsound.org page:

this list is *not* meant for announcing anything
except new works you want to share with the community and/or get feedback on

please please please read the frickin' statement in BOLD RED LETTERS on
the same page you happened to sub from?

it is all right there is painfully unsubtle text
screaming at you in bold red:
***DO NOT POST ANNOUNCEMENTS TO THE MAIN MICROSOUND LIST!!!***
there is another list for this
which you can sub to and announce and cross-post to












From info at kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net  Tue Jun  5 13:44:11 2012
From: info at kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net (kristof lauwers)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 19:44:11 +0200
Subject: [microsound] ***my monthly reminder***
In-Reply-To: <4FCE3DB2.6040605@anechoicmedia.com>
References: <4FCE3DB2.6040605@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1338918268.18211.microsound@or8.net>

hi Kim,

guess i triggered this reminder.
sorry about that. i should have known.
no red letters nor any mention about the not announcing on the page 
from where i (re)subscribed thoug: http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

all the best,

Kristof


At 07:11 p.m. 5/06/2012, you wrote:

>DO NOT cross post to the microsound list!
>
>in case some color blind .microsounders missed the red type splattered
>on the microsound.org page:
>
>this list is *not* meant for announcing anything
>except new works you want to share with the community and/or get feedback on
>
>please please please read the frickin' statement in BOLD RED LETTERS on
>the same page you happened to sub from?
>
>it is all right there is painfully unsubtle text
>screaming at you in bold red:
>***DO NOT POST ANNOUNCEMENTS TO THE MAIN MICROSOUND LIST!!!***
>there is another list for this
>which you can sub to and announce and cross-post to
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>microsound mailing list
>microsound at microsound.org
>http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


From kenhimura at gmail.com  Wed Jun  6 07:21:23 2012
From: kenhimura at gmail.com (Rodrigo Balthar Furman)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:21:23 -0300
Subject: [microsound] Fw: Save the Logos Foundation!
In-Reply-To: <20120605152705.1a685bca.iulius@riseup.net>
References: <20120605130459.B13DD112E30D@collab.or8.net>
	<20120605152705.1a685bca.iulius@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <CAOLU+Cdmq6bFV+Fgb4X1FmwOL2miDzom9=Jt6wPih7iydU8bEg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not surprised. Isn't this the same "committee of music" who adviced the
minister of stop subsidies to La Petite Bande (the world's best baroque
orchestra) ??

That's a shame... I signed too!

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:27 AM, iulius <iulius at riseup.net> wrote:

> I'm spanish but I have signed it too. Good luck!
>
> On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:04:52 +0200
> kristof lauwers <info at kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net> wrote:
>
> > (sorry for crossposting)
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > The Logos Foundation has formed a focal point for experimental
> > Belgian and international artists since 1968, showcasing contemporary
> > music and sound art.
> >
> > Our workshops provide space for in-house artists and guests to build
> > innovative instruments and develop new technologies. Logos has its
> > own orchestra, Man & Machine, which consists of more than 50
> > interactive musical robots and is absolutely unique in the world.
> >
> > Along with numerous other arts organisations, the Logos Foundation
> > found out on Friday evening that it will lose its government subsidy
> > from 2013 onwards. It is expected to continue with an annual
> > allowance of 0 euros, despite receiving two positive recommendations
> > from the official evaluation committee. In other words, although both
> > its artistic plan and its business plan were judged feasible and
> > worthwhile, it was not allocated a subsidy.
> >
> > Help to save Logos! Convince the Minister of Culture to still
> > subsidise our Foundation! Please follow the link below and sign the
> > petition and please spread this petition amongst your friends, so the
> > Minister of Culture can see the national and international support
> > for the Logos Foundation. Thank you!
> >
> > http://www.logosfoundation.org/save/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > microsound mailing list
> > microsound at microsound.org
> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>
> --
> iulius <iulius at riseup.net>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
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From apvague at gmail.com  Sun Jun 10 18:17:14 2012
From: apvague at gmail.com (AP Vague)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:17:14 -0400
Subject: [microsound] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CANuk-gVLTQ+q=eoSWjY5d0NrMHzE8Lt_a9ZmeYrouGHr6Ld19w@mail.gmail.com>

This is my first test using playback latency as a compositional device... I
was recently on a compilation of digital "locked grooves," inspired by
locked grooves on vinyl, but intended to be played in itunes or another
digital playback program on repeat. The unpredictable gaps in playback
ended up being sort of interesting and aggravating at the same time, and I
started experimenting with ways to use it. This test composition is
actually made up of 100 mp3 files, each a few hundred samples long. This
recording is what the piece sounds like played in itunes, which has a
slightly shorter latency than VLC (also VLC actually "skips" some of the
tracks, just leaving it silent because they're too short).

http://soundcloud.com/ap-vague/micro

I'm wondering if anyone else has any experience with this. What other
playback programs address these things? Is anyone doing work with multiple
files like this?

~AP
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From dara1339 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 11 05:36:39 2012
From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:36:39 -0400
Subject: [microsound] BeagleBone: Neural Network Synthesizers
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP11989586D238601FA99271DD1F70@phx.gbl>


http://nn-os.org/ is a new computing environment for Neural Network Control applications of all sorts. In specific Synthesizers, composition and conducting tools with adaptive learning capabilities:

http://nn-os.org/nnconductor/ 

The entire code runs in real-time on BeagleBone embedded hardware platform from TI:

http://beagleboard.org/bone


In general any instrumentations with discrete input and output, in particular MIDI instruments can take advantage of the adaptive learning of the nn-os  on BeagleBone, and the current code supports Petri Net asynchronous multi-tasking and IO (on top of BSD sockets) therefore performers and conductors can create new forms of interactive and real-time collaboration on stage (or remote locations). 

The concepts and code are in embryonic stage, and we are looking for TALENT who is willing to help us experiment to guide our development for more useful and applicable applications. 

Dara  

From danalogue at gmail.com  Tue Jun 12 23:29:16 2012
From: danalogue at gmail.com (Dan Graham)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:29:16 -0700
Subject: [microsound] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CANuk-gVLTQ+q=eoSWjY5d0NrMHzE8Lt_a9ZmeYrouGHr6Ld19w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANuk-gVLTQ+q=eoSWjY5d0NrMHzE8Lt_a9ZmeYrouGHr6Ld19w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADJC1JSkeSGcejERLXH34JUo9e1kjo-C2iHi8cgpXNdDNGzUZQ@mail.gmail.com>

"Micro Test #1" sounds great!   I love this kind of stuff, and it would be
nice if you could expand it into a longer piece...

i'm not really sure i understand how you're getting these sounds, but keep
it up.

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:17 PM, AP Vague <apvague at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is my first test using playback latency as a compositional device...
> I was recently on a compilation of digital "locked grooves," inspired by
> locked grooves on vinyl, but intended to be played in itunes or another
> digital playback program on repeat. The unpredictable gaps in playback
> ended up being sort of interesting and aggravating at the same time, and I
> started experimenting with ways to use it. This test composition is
> actually made up of 100 mp3 files, each a few hundred samples long. This
> recording is what the piece sounds like played in itunes, which has a
> slightly shorter latency than VLC (also VLC actually "skips" some of the
> tracks, just leaving it silent because they're too short).
>
> http://soundcloud.com/ap-vague/micro
>
> I'm wondering if anyone else has any experience with this. What other
> playback programs address these things? Is anyone doing work with multiple
> files like this?
>
> ~AP
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>
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From rjschrei at cybermesa.com  Tue Jun 12 23:29:46 2012
From: rjschrei at cybermesa.com (rjschrei at cybermesa.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:29:46 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [microsound] microsound Digest, Vol 41, Issue 2
Message-ID: <20120613032946.BC00E1FDDF@smtp-in-001.cybermesa.com>

Hi! I am traveling and will be off line until the 24th of June. I will get back to you as soon as I can after that. Bob

From gr at grrrr.org  Wed Jun 13 07:21:42 2012
From: gr at grrrr.org (Thomas Grill)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 13:21:42 +0200
Subject: [microsound] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CANuk-gVLTQ+q=eoSWjY5d0NrMHzE8Lt_a9ZmeYrouGHr6Ld19w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANuk-gVLTQ+q=eoSWjY5d0NrMHzE8Lt_a9ZmeYrouGHr6Ld19w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77BC3018-033D-4265-B1E5-33CB97C4ED8E@grrrr.org>

Hi AP,
sounds good and reminds me very much of my own practice of micro- 
looping. However, i don't have a profound conceptual backing, it's  
just an aesthetic decision.
Have an ear on
http://soundcloud.com/grrrr_org/sets/gxg-unwege-untours/
for a duo project with a bass clarinet player.
I use a relatively simple Max/MSP patch for all my live performances.
gr~~~

--
Thomas Grill
http://grrrr.org


Am 11.06.2012 um 00:17 schrieb AP Vague:

> This is my first test using playback latency as a compositional  
> device... I was recently on a compilation of digital "locked  
> grooves," inspired by locked grooves on vinyl, but intended to be  
> played in itunes or another digital playback program on repeat. The  
> unpredictable gaps in playback ended up being sort of interesting  
> and aggravating at the same time, and I started experimenting with  
> ways to use it. This test composition is actually made up of 100 mp3  
> files, each a few hundred samples long. This recording is what the  
> piece sounds like played in itunes, which has a slightly shorter  
> latency than VLC (also VLC actually "skips" some of the tracks, just  
> leaving it silent because they're too short).
>
> http://soundcloud.com/ap-vague/micro
>
> I'm wondering if anyone else has any experience with this. What  
> other playback programs address these things? Is anyone doing work  
> with multiple files like this?
>
> ~AP
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

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From thinksamuel at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 14 01:26:56 2012
From: thinksamuel at yahoo.com (Samuel van ransbeeck)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:26:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1339651616.95536.YahooMailNeo@web160306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

http://www.connorproctor.com/wp-content/themes/sliding-door/googlemail.html
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From thinksamuel at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 14 01:28:46 2012
From: thinksamuel at yahoo.com (Samuel van ransbeeck)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:28:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1339651726.42552.YahooMailNeo@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

http://suzanne.hawson.net/wp-sys/wp-content/themes/renownedmint/googlemail.html
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From dave at mysterybear.net  Thu Jun 14 21:30:05 2012
From: dave at mysterybear.net (Dave Seidel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:30:05 -0400
Subject: [microsound] asynchronous looping
Message-ID: <4FDA901D.9000802@mysterybear.net>

Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a good looper/sampler that can handle multiple
loops of different lengths, or (put another way) asynchronous loops? 
have a Boss RC-3 but I don't use it much because I don't want to be
locked into a single phrase length. Does anyone know if the fancier
RC-50 or RC-300 can do this, for example? Or should I consider something
like an MPC 500. I would be grateful for any pointers in the right
direction.

- Dave

http://mysterybear.net
http://soundcloud.com/mysterybear

From ben at macrophone.org  Thu Jun 14 22:10:24 2012
From: ben at macrophone.org (Ben Grossman)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:10:24 -0400
Subject: [microsound] asynchronous looping
In-Reply-To: <4FDA901D.9000802@mysterybear.net>
References: <4FDA901D.9000802@mysterybear.net>
Message-ID: <E52FE7D8-3B33-4042-AA94-688C322588A9@macrophone.org>

Hello Dave,

From the way you're asking I suspect that you're looking for something for pre-recorded sample playback, but if you are looking to do live looping with different phrase lengths, I can really heartily recommend Ableton Live (with a good foot pedal), or for hardware, the new Boomerang III.  But there is no provision at all for saving sounds on the Boomerang (which suits me fine, but may not be your cuppa tea).

I'd be happy to provide more details if you're interested on or off list.

Cheers,

ben

On 14 Jun, 2012, at 9:30 pm, Dave Seidel wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Can anyone recommend a good looper/sampler that can handle multiple
> loops of different lengths, or (put another way) asynchronous loops? 
> have a Boss RC-3 but I don't use it much because I don't want to be
> locked into a single phrase length. Does anyone know if the fancier
> RC-50 or RC-300 can do this, for example? Or should I consider something
> like an MPC 500. I would be grateful for any pointers in the right
> direction.
> 
> - Dave
> 
> http://mysterybear.net
> http://soundcloud.com/mysterybear
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound







						_________________________
	
				        		          www.macrophone.org
						soundcloud.com/ben_grossman





From dave at mysterybear.net  Thu Jun 14 22:31:30 2012
From: dave at mysterybear.net (Dave Seidel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:31:30 -0400
Subject: [microsound] asynchronous looping
In-Reply-To: <E52FE7D8-3B33-4042-AA94-688C322588A9@macrophone.org>
References: <4FDA901D.9000802@mysterybear.net>
	<E52FE7D8-3B33-4042-AA94-688C322588A9@macrophone.org>
Message-ID: <4FDA9E82.7090904@mysterybear.net>

Hi Ben,

Yes, I should have said that I want this for live work. I actually just 
googled up the Boomerang II, and it looks like it might be really good 
(I don't care about saving the loops either, prefer to just record the 
performance). Thanks for confirming that I probably found the right 
thing -- and if I hadn't, you would have led me to it!

- Dave

On Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10:24 PM, Ben Grossman wrote:
> Hello Dave,
>
> >From the way you're asking I suspect that you're looking for something for pre-recorded sample playback, but if you are looking to do live looping with different phrase lengths, I can really heartily recommend Ableton Live (with a good foot pedal), or for hardware, the new Boomerang III.  But there is no provision at all for saving sounds on the Boomerang (which suits me fine, but may not be your cuppa tea).
>
> I'd be happy to provide more details if you're interested on or off list.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ben
>
> On 14 Jun, 2012, at 9:30 pm, Dave Seidel wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a good looper/sampler that can handle multiple
>> loops of different lengths, or (put another way) asynchronous loops?
>> have a Boss RC-3 but I don't use it much because I don't want to be
>> locked into a single phrase length. Does anyone know if the fancier
>> RC-50 or RC-300 can do this, for example? Or should I consider something
>> like an MPC 500. I would be grateful for any pointers in the right
>> direction.
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>> http://mysterybear.net
>> http://soundcloud.com/mysterybear
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 						_________________________
> 	
> 				        		          www.macrophone.org
> 						soundcloud.com/ben_grossman
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>

From ian at ian-andrews.org  Thu Jun 14 23:55:49 2012
From: ian at ian-andrews.org (Ian Andrews)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:55:49 +1000
Subject: [microsound] asynchronous looping
In-Reply-To: <4FDA9E82.7090904@mysterybear.net>
References: <4FDA901D.9000802@mysterybear.net>
	<E52FE7D8-3B33-4042-AA94-688C322588A9@macrophone.org>
	<4FDA9E82.7090904@mysterybear.net>
Message-ID: <4FDAB245.1090304@ian-andrews.org>

I've used SooperLooper in the past. It's free and quite good. Mac only I 
think.

http://essej.net/sooperlooper/

cheers,

ian


On 15/06/12 12:31 PM, Dave Seidel wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>
> Yes, I should have said that I want this for live work. I actually just
> googled up the Boomerang II, and it looks like it might be really good
> (I don't care about saving the loops either, prefer to just record the
> performance). Thanks for confirming that I probably found the right
> thing -- and if I hadn't, you would have led me to it!
>
> - Dave
>
> On Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10:24 PM, Ben Grossman wrote:
>> Hello Dave,
>>
>> >From the way you're asking I suspect that you're looking for something for pre-recorded sample playback, but if you are looking to do live looping with different phrase lengths, I can really heartily recommend Ableton Live (with a good foot pedal), or for hardware, the new Boomerang III.  But there is no provision at all for saving sounds on the Boomerang (which suits me fine, but may not be your cuppa tea).
>>
>> I'd be happy to provide more details if you're interested on or off list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> ben
>>
>> On 14 Jun, 2012, at 9:30 pm, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend a good looper/sampler that can handle multiple
>>> loops of different lengths, or (put another way) asynchronous loops?
>>> have a Boss RC-3 but I don't use it much because I don't want to be
>>> locked into a single phrase length. Does anyone know if the fancier
>>> RC-50 or RC-300 can do this, for example? Or should I consider something
>>> like an MPC 500. I would be grateful for any pointers in the right
>>> direction.
>>>
>>> - Dave
>>>
>>> http://mysterybear.net
>>> http://soundcloud.com/mysterybear
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mis at artengine.ca  Fri Jun 15 00:16:43 2012
From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 00:16:43 -0400
Subject: [microsound] asynchronous looping
In-Reply-To: <4FDAB245.1090304@ian-andrews.org>
References: <4FDA901D.9000802@mysterybear.net>
	<E52FE7D8-3B33-4042-AA94-688C322588A9@macrophone.org>
	<4FDA9E82.7090904@mysterybear.net> <4FDAB245.1090304@ian-andrews.org>
Message-ID: <CABVh59kfS-sTqRAqfLMgtLmK4pyyg9mtgaP=8hPPqrGAphR0Kg@mail.gmail.com>

No, actually, it's Mac and Linux (and any platform that runs jack). I
got a feeling that Dave is looking for a hardware looper, though.
Also, SL is not quite free, Jesse appreciates donations (however, it
is free as in "freedom").

./MiS

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Ian Andrews <ian at ian-andrews.org> wrote:
> I've used SooperLooper in the past. It's free and quite good. Mac only I
> think.
>
> http://essej.net/sooperlooper/
>
> cheers,
>
> ian
>
>
>
> On 15/06/12 12:31 PM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> Yes, I should have said that I want this for live work. I actually just
>> googled up the Boomerang II, and it looks like it might be really good
>> (I don't care about saving the loops either, prefer to just record the
>> performance). Thanks for confirming that I probably found the right
>> thing -- and if I hadn't, you would have led me to it!
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>> On Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10:24 PM, Ben Grossman wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Dave,
>>>
>>> >From the way you're asking I suspect that you're looking for something
>>> for pre-recorded sample playback, but if you are looking to do live looping
>>> with different phrase lengths, I can really heartily recommend Ableton Live
>>> (with a good foot pedal), or for hardware, the new Boomerang III. ?But there
>>> is no provision at all for saving sounds on the Boomerang (which suits me
>>> fine, but may not be your cuppa tea).
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to provide more details if you're interested on or off list.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> ben
>>>
>>> On 14 Jun, 2012, at 9:30 pm, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone recommend a good looper/sampler that can handle multiple
>>>> loops of different lengths, or (put another way) asynchronous loops?
>>>> have a Boss RC-3 but I don't use it much because I don't want to be
>>>> locked into a single phrase length. Does anyone know if the fancier
>>>> RC-50 or RC-300 can do this, for example? Or should I consider something
>>>> like an MPC 500. I would be grateful for any pointers in the right
>>>> direction.
>>>>
>>>> - Dave
>>>>
>>>> http://mysterybear.net
>>>> http://soundcloud.com/mysterybear
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?_________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> ?www.macrophone.org
>>>
>>> ?soundcloud.com/ben_grossman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> microsound mailing list
>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
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>
>
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From touch at klanggold.net  Fri Jun 15 01:58:19 2012
From: touch at klanggold.net (klanggold)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:58:19 +0200
Subject: [microsound] asynchronous looping
In-Reply-To: <4FDAB245.1090304@ian-andrews.org>
References: <4FDA901D.9000802@mysterybear.net>
	<E52FE7D8-3B33-4042-AA94-688C322588A9@macrophone.org>
	<4FDA9E82.7090904@mysterybear.net>
	<4FDAB245.1090304@ian-andrews.org>
Message-ID: <3C9DA8A2-1D55-4F89-BA6C-4372EDB83829@klanggold.net>

Hi the kaoss pad 3 can play up to 4 loops in different lengths.
I would recomend ableton live. They have a really small and cheap version for people who don't nee much features like the pros.  For around 100? 

Andreas

From my iPhone



Am 15.06.2012 um 05:55 schrieb Ian Andrews <ian at ian-andrews.org>:

> I've used SooperLooper in the past. It's free and quite good. Mac only I think.
> 
> http://essej.net/sooperlooper/
> 
> cheers,
> 
> ian
> 
> 
> On 15/06/12 12:31 PM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Ben,
>> 
>> Yes, I should have said that I want this for live work. I actually just
>> googled up the Boomerang II, and it looks like it might be really good
>> (I don't care about saving the loops either, prefer to just record the
>> performance). Thanks for confirming that I probably found the right
>> thing -- and if I hadn't, you would have led me to it!
>> 
>> - Dave
>> 
>> On Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10:24 PM, Ben Grossman wrote:
>>> Hello Dave,
>>> 
>>> >From the way you're asking I suspect that you're looking for something for pre-recorded sample playback, but if you are looking to do live looping with different phrase lengths, I can really heartily recommend Ableton Live (with a good foot pedal), or for hardware, the new Boomerang III.  But there is no provision at all for saving sounds on the Boomerang (which suits me fine, but may not be your cuppa tea).
>>> 
>>> I'd be happy to provide more details if you're interested on or off list.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> ben
>>> 
>>> On 14 Jun, 2012, at 9:30 pm, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone recommend a good looper/sampler that can handle multiple
>>>> loops of different lengths, or (put another way) asynchronous loops?
>>>> have a Boss RC-3 but I don't use it much because I don't want to be
>>>> locked into a single phrase length. Does anyone know if the fancier
>>>> RC-50 or RC-300 can do this, for example? Or should I consider something
>>>> like an MPC 500. I would be grateful for any pointers in the right
>>>> direction.
>>>> 
>>>> - Dave
>>>> 
>>>> http://mysterybear.net
>>>> http://soundcloud.com/mysterybear
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                        _________________________
>>>    
>>>                                          www.macrophone.org
>>>                        soundcloud.com/ben_grossman
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> microsound mailing list
>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>> 
> 
> 
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From dave at mysterybear.net  Fri Jun 15 08:16:08 2012
From: dave at mysterybear.net (Dave Seidel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 08:16:08 -0400
Subject: [microsound] asynchronous looping
In-Reply-To: <4FDAB245.1090304@ian-andrews.org>
References: <4FDA901D.9000802@mysterybear.net>
	<E52FE7D8-3B33-4042-AA94-688C322588A9@macrophone.org>
	<4FDA9E82.7090904@mysterybear.net>
	<4FDAB245.1090304@ian-andrews.org>
Message-ID: <4FDB2788.2090404@mysterybear.net>

Thanks Ian, I know there are some good software loopers out there but I
prefer hardware-only for live work, I much prefer knobs/slider/pedals to
keyboard/mouse in that context. But I appreciate the recommendation.

- Dave

On 6/14/2012 11:55 PM, Ian Andrews wrote:
> I've used SooperLooper in the past. It's free and quite good. Mac only I
> think.
> 
> http://essej.net/sooperlooper/
> 
> cheers,
> 
> ian
> 
> 
> On 15/06/12 12:31 PM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> Yes, I should have said that I want this for live work. I actually just
>> googled up the Boomerang II, and it looks like it might be really good
>> (I don't care about saving the loops either, prefer to just record the
>> performance). Thanks for confirming that I probably found the right
>> thing -- and if I hadn't, you would have led me to it!
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>> On Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10:24 PM, Ben Grossman wrote:
>>> Hello Dave,
>>>
>>> >From the way you're asking I suspect that you're looking for
>>> something for pre-recorded sample playback, but if you are looking to
>>> do live looping with different phrase lengths, I can really heartily
>>> recommend Ableton Live (with a good foot pedal), or for hardware, the
>>> new Boomerang III.  But there is no provision at all for saving
>>> sounds on the Boomerang (which suits me fine, but may not be your
>>> cuppa tea).
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to provide more details if you're interested on or off
>>> list.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> ben
>>>
>>> On 14 Jun, 2012, at 9:30 pm, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone recommend a good looper/sampler that can handle multiple
>>>> loops of different lengths, or (put another way) asynchronous loops?
>>>> have a Boss RC-3 but I don't use it much because I don't want to be
>>>> locked into a single phrase length. Does anyone know if the fancier
>>>> RC-50 or RC-300 can do this, for example? Or should I consider
>>>> something
>>>> like an MPC 500. I would be grateful for any pointers in the right
>>>> direction.
>>>>
>>>> - Dave
>>>>
>>>> http://mysterybear.net
>>>> http://soundcloud.com/mysterybear
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                         _________________________
>>>     
>>>                                           www.macrophone.org
>>>                         soundcloud.com/ben_grossman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> microsound mailing list
>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> 

From stelpa6 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 16 00:56:02 2012
From: stelpa6 at gmail.com (stelpa6 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 00:56:02 -0400
Subject: [microsound] asynchronous looping
In-Reply-To: <4FDAB245.1090304@ian-andrews.org>
References: <4FDA901D.9000802@mysterybear.net>
	<E52FE7D8-3B33-4042-AA94-688C322588A9@macrophone.org>
	<4FDA9E82.7090904@mysterybear.net> <4FDAB245.1090304@ian-andrews.org>
Message-ID: <CADT=jH1CaB+uPeGBsqHVfXV0rd+KBu8wpWuwWivaP_ZcU2zqUw@mail.gmail.com>

Nope, I can confirm it is available on linux as well :)

--Alyssa

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Ian Andrews <ian at ian-andrews.org> wrote:

> I've used SooperLooper in the past. It's free and quite good. Mac only I
> think.
>
> http://essej.net/sooperlooper/
>
> cheers,
>
> ian
>
>
> On 15/06/12 12:31 PM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> Yes, I should have said that I want this for live work. I actually just
>> googled up the Boomerang II, and it looks like it might be really good
>> (I don't care about saving the loops either, prefer to just record the
>> performance). Thanks for confirming that I probably found the right
>> thing -- and if I hadn't, you would have led me to it!
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>> On Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:10:24 PM, Ben Grossman wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Dave,
>>>
>>> >From the way you're asking I suspect that you're looking for something
>>> for pre-recorded sample playback, but if you are looking to do live looping
>>> with different phrase lengths, I can really heartily recommend Ableton Live
>>> (with a good foot pedal), or for hardware, the new Boomerang III.  But
>>> there is no provision at all for saving sounds on the Boomerang (which
>>> suits me fine, but may not be your cuppa tea).
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to provide more details if you're interested on or off list.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> ben
>>>
>>> On 14 Jun, 2012, at 9:30 pm, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone recommend a good looper/sampler that can handle multiple
>>>> loops of different lengths, or (put another way) asynchronous loops?
>>>> have a Boss RC-3 but I don't use it much because I don't want to be
>>>> locked into a single phrase length. Does anyone know if the fancier
>>>> RC-50 or RC-300 can do this, for example? Or should I consider something
>>>> like an MPC 500. I would be grateful for any pointers in the right
>>>> direction.
>>>>
>>>> - Dave
>>>>
>>>> http://mysterybear.net
>>>> http://soundcloud.com/**mysterybear <http://soundcloud.com/mysterybear>
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound<http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                _________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> www.macrophone.org
>>>
>>> soundcloud.com/ben_grossman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> microsound mailing list
>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound<http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound>
>>>
>>>  ______________________________**_________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound<http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound>
>>
>>
>
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From kim_froesnapper at yahoo.dk  Sat Jun 16 06:21:15 2012
From: kim_froesnapper at yahoo.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kim_Fr=F8snapper?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:21:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [microsound] asynchronous looping
In-Reply-To: <mailman.231.1339822594.18214.microsound@or8.net>
References: <mailman.231.1339822594.18214.microsound@or8.net>
Message-ID: <1339842075.55447.YahooMailNeo@web28806.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>

Hi Dave!

Can i just mention the Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex EDP?

You can chop your phrase and multiply it and chop it again; the only looper that will cut actually and that's really the wheat; 

being able to insert and remove snippets can lead to interesting results.
Won't let you run different lengths of loops though... most likely no hardware looper will, it sounds a bit esoteric.
You do have up to 16 loops you can jump in between, quantized or not.


Happy hunting.


Some links:
http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php?
http://www.circularlabs.com/ 

From dave at mysterybear.net  Sat Jun 16 07:17:58 2012
From: dave at mysterybear.net (Dave Seidel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 07:17:58 -0400
Subject: [microsound] asynchronous looping
In-Reply-To: <1339842075.55447.YahooMailNeo@web28806.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.231.1339822594.18214.microsound@or8.net>
	<1339842075.55447.YahooMailNeo@web28806.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4FDC6B66.4080701@mysterybear.net>

Thanks for the info, Kim! I will take a look at that unit and those 
links. I believe that the Boomerang III does have the ability to play 
back simultaneous loops, but I'm trying to verify that.

- Dave

On Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:21:15 AM, Kim Fr?snapper wrote:
> Hi Dave!
>
> Can i just mention the Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex EDP?
>
> You can chop your phrase and multiply it and chop it again; the only looper that will cut actually and that's really the wheat;
>
> being able to insert and remove snippets can lead to interesting results.
> Won't let you run different lengths of loops though... most likely no hardware looper will, it sounds a bit esoteric.
> You do have up to 16 loops you can jump in between, quantized or not.
>
>
> Happy hunting.
>
>
> Some links:
> http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php
> http://www.circularlabs.com/
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>

From ben at macrophone.org  Sat Jun 16 09:05:34 2012
From: ben at macrophone.org (Ben Grossman)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:05:34 -0400
Subject: [microsound] asynchronous looping
In-Reply-To: <4FDC6B66.4080701@mysterybear.net>
References: <mailman.231.1339822594.18214.microsound@or8.net>
	<1339842075.55447.YahooMailNeo@web28806.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
	<4FDC6B66.4080701@mysterybear.net>
Message-ID: <764BB00D-A275-49CC-A520-B69827CF6EF1@macrophone.org>

Hello all,

I can confirm that the new Boomerang will do up to 4 loops of completely independent lengths.  They can also be synchronised to be in simple multiples of each other or of the same length.

I've used the EDP, Repeater, various pedals over the years, often several in the same setup in an attempt to do live non-synched looping.  I have not tried the "Looperlative" thingy, but so far, only the Boomerang III will do non-synched live loops in one box.  And the sound is MUCH better than the EDP or Repeater for my uses.

Of course one can do all of this in Live as well as long as you can get your latency down to comfortable levels for live looping.

Happy looping,

ben

On 16 Jun, 2012, at 7:17 am, Dave Seidel wrote:

> Thanks for the info, Kim! I will take a look at that unit and those 
> links. I believe that the Boomerang III does have the ability to play 
> back simultaneous loops, but I'm trying to verify that.
> 
> - Dave
> 
> On Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:21:15 AM, Kim Fr?snapper wrote:
>> Hi Dave!
>> 
>> Can i just mention the Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex EDP?
>> 
>> You can chop your phrase and multiply it and chop it again; the only looper that will cut actually and that's really the wheat;
>> 
>> being able to insert and remove snippets can lead to interesting results.
>> Won't let you run different lengths of loops though... most likely no hardware looper will, it sounds a bit esoteric.
>> You do have up to 16 loops you can jump in between, quantized or not.
>> 
>> 
>> Happy hunting.
>> 
>> 
>> Some links:
>> http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php
>> http://www.circularlabs.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound







						_________________________
	
				        		          www.macrophone.org
						soundcloud.com/ben_grossman





From dave at mysterybear.net  Sat Jun 16 13:19:24 2012
From: dave at mysterybear.net (Dave Seidel)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:19:24 -0400
Subject: [microsound] asynchronous looping
In-Reply-To: <764BB00D-A275-49CC-A520-B69827CF6EF1@macrophone.org>
References: <mailman.231.1339822594.18214.microsound@or8.net>
	<1339842075.55447.YahooMailNeo@web28806.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
	<4FDC6B66.4080701@mysterybear.net>
	<764BB00D-A275-49CC-A520-B69827CF6EF1@macrophone.org>
Message-ID: <4FDCC01C.3000100@mysterybear.net>

The Boomerang sounds pretty close to ideal for what I'm looking for. 
Thanks Ben!

- Dave

On Saturday, June 16, 2012 9:05:34 AM, Ben Grossman wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I can confirm that the new Boomerang will do up to 4 loops of completely independent lengths.  They can also be synchronised to be in simple multiples of each other or of the same length.
>
> I've used the EDP, Repeater, various pedals over the years, often several in the same setup in an attempt to do live non-synched looping.  I have not tried the "Looperlative" thingy, but so far, only the Boomerang III will do non-synched live loops in one box.  And the sound is MUCH better than the EDP or Repeater for my uses.
>
> Of course one can do all of this in Live as well as long as you can get your latency down to comfortable levels for live looping.
>
> Happy looping,
>
> ben
>
> On 16 Jun, 2012, at 7:17 am, Dave Seidel wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info, Kim! I will take a look at that unit and those
>> links. I believe that the Boomerang III does have the ability to play
>> back simultaneous loops, but I'm trying to verify that.
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>> On Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:21:15 AM, Kim Fr?snapper wrote:
>>> Hi Dave!
>>>
>>> Can i just mention the Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex EDP?
>>>
>>> You can chop your phrase and multiply it and chop it again; the only looper that will cut actually and that's really the wheat;
>>>
>>> being able to insert and remove snippets can lead to interesting results.
>>> Won't let you run different lengths of loops though... most likely no hardware looper will, it sounds a bit esoteric.
>>> You do have up to 16 loops you can jump in between, quantized or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> Happy hunting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Some links:
>>> http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php
>>> http://www.circularlabs.com/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> microsound mailing list
>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 						_________________________
> 	
> 				        		          www.macrophone.org
> 						soundcloud.com/ben_grossman
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jce32 at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 17 11:04:04 2012
From: jce32 at hotmail.com (Jim Evans)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:04:04 -0700
Subject: [microsound] (no subject)
Message-ID: <COL107-W1063EDCF808AD71FCFB6D0A2F90@phx.gbl>


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