From macdara at email.com Sun Jan 1 17:22:48 2012 From: macdara at email.com (Manannan Mac Lir) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 17:22:48 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Transducers as speakers Message-ID: <20120101222248.12130@gmx.com> Hi, I took part in a part in an installation based on David Tudor's rainforest which used transducers attached to various objects. In this case there were 8 objects all metal. We went to a scrap and picked out various pieces, all were hung from the ceiling with cables to let them ring freely. The loudest was an 8 footx3 foot steel kitchen counter top which responded the most musically without much encouragement and sounded like a big reverb. I did some trials with applying a transducer with a fixed pitch signal to various materials. I found most of them harsh. It gave me a nice sense of how different materials filter and disperse the sound in different ways. I like the work Mark Bain has done with doing things to buildings that he probably shouldn't. I cant remember the type of transducer but it was kinda creamy coloured smoke alarm lookin thing. Macdara ----- Original Message ----- From: michael trommer Sent: 12/29/11 05:55 PM To: microsound at microsound.org Subject: [microsound] Transducers as speakers Hi all... I was wondering if anyone has had any experience using transducer-type speakers. I?m planning on using them to generate low frequencies, including infrasound, for a gallery-based installation. Any info regarding how different materials (e.g. drywall, wood/cement floors, etc.) respond with respect to loudness and eq, power requirements etc. would be useful. Fwiw, here are some of the speakers I?ve been looking at: http://www.soliddrive.com/solid-drive.html http://www.woweeone.com/index.php Cheers (and happy new year)... michael .................................... http://michaeltrommer.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/sans-soleil/ http://michaeltrommer.bandcamp.com/ http://www.myspace.com/mtrommer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net Sun Jan 1 19:55:22 2012 From: jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net (John Hopkins) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 17:55:22 -0700 Subject: [microsound] Transducers as speakers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F01007A.4010200@tech-no-mad.net> hei! > I was wondering if anyone has had any experience using transducer-type > speakers. Variables which affect the frequency spectrum of resonance would include: acoustic coupling (how solidly the speakers are 'stuck' to the object (silicone bathroom adhesive versus merely sitting on the surface (gravity) versus thin polymer glues) size and shape of the object (large, symmetric, asymmetric, etc) rigidity/flexibility of the object (rubber vs metal) thickness, porosity, internal consistency (air bubbles, solid, dense...) how/where object is fastened to wall, ground, other points (widow glass around edges, plexiglas clamped to wire hangers, metal plates sitting on several sharp points, etc). There are linear system formulas which can be deployed for homogenous materials with known physical parameters... these can indicate the frequency response in simple configurations... It can be helpful to stick the speakers on and use a frequency oscillator to scan the frequencies and see what resonant amplitudes are happening -- these can work to amplify narrow frequency bands by several db. (and thus 'distort' a flat spectrum input... Beware!) It's a game... jh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Hopkins Watching the Dhao rather than watching the Dow! http://neoscenes.net/ http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From trommer at sympatico.ca Sun Jan 1 20:14:04 2012 From: trommer at sympatico.ca (michael trommer) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:14:04 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Transducers as speakers In-Reply-To: <4F01007A.4010200@tech-no-mad.net> Message-ID: Thanks everyone...! On 12-01-01 7:55 PM, "John Hopkins" wrote: > hei! > >> I was wondering if anyone has had any experience using transducer-type >> speakers. > > Variables which affect the frequency spectrum of resonance would include: > > acoustic coupling (how solidly the speakers are 'stuck' to the object > (silicone > bathroom adhesive versus merely sitting on the surface (gravity) versus thin > polymer glues) > > size and shape of the object (large, symmetric, asymmetric, etc) > > rigidity/flexibility of the object (rubber vs metal) > > thickness, porosity, internal consistency (air bubbles, solid, dense...) > > how/where object is fastened to wall, ground, other points (widow glass around > edges, plexiglas clamped to wire hangers, metal plates sitting on several > sharp > points, etc). > > There are linear system formulas which can be deployed for homogenous > materials > with known physical parameters... these can indicate the frequency response in > simple configurations... > > It can be helpful to stick the speakers on and use a frequency oscillator to > scan the frequencies and see what resonant amplitudes are happening -- these > can > work to amplify narrow frequency bands by several db. (and thus 'distort' a > flat > spectrum input... Beware!) > > It's a game... > > jh > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > John Hopkins > Watching the Dhao rather than watching the Dow! > http://neoscenes.net/ > http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > .................................... http://michaeltrommer.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/sans-soleil/ http://michaeltrommer.bandcamp.com/ http://www.myspace.com/mtrommer From ben at macrophone.org Wed Jan 4 16:31:13 2012 From: ben at macrophone.org (Ben Grossman) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:31:13 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Transducers as speakers In-Reply-To: <20120101222248.12130@gmx.com> References: <20120101222248.12130@gmx.com> Message-ID: <3F5CBF5A-FA15-4F0E-948F-16C73E6D9A8A@macrophone.org> hello all, the transducer you're describing is the venerable rolen-star transducer. you can sometimes find old stock around, but they've been replaced for the most part by similar but more powerful transducer from maurice (can't seems to find his last name at the moment) at sales at invisiblestereo.com i'm not sure of the low frequency range of these things, but i suspect the for real low end (and infra-sound), it might be worth looking into those obnoxious car stereo kickers. you'll need to account the the resonant frequency of the object you are transducing (and wavelengths in the room etc). i did a version of rainforest at the guelph jazz festival last year and i can't recommend maurice highly enough! he was extremely helpful and has worked with various sound artists (including, I think david tudor!) doing stuff so he 'gets' what we do. which cuts down some of the explaining. because of my limited budget, i used a mix of these transducers and transformer-driven piezo elements. you can get a little taste here: http://vimeo.com/30872968 happy new year to all, ben On 1 Jan, 2012, at 5:22 pm, Manannan Mac Lir wrote: > Hi, > > I took part in a part in an installation based on David Tudor's rainforest which used transducers attached to various objects. In this case there were 8 objects all metal. We went to a scrap and picked out various pieces, all were hung from the ceiling with cables to let them ring freely. The loudest was an 8 footx3 foot steel kitchen counter top which responded the most musically without much encouragement and sounded like a big reverb. I did some trials with applying a transducer with a fixed pitch signal to various materials. I found most of them harsh. It gave me a nice sense of how different materials filter and disperse the sound in different ways. I like the work Mark Bain has done with doing things to buildings that he probably shouldn't. I cant remember the type of transducer but it was kinda creamy coloured smoke alarm lookin thing. > > > Macdara > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: michael trommer >> Sent: 12/29/11 05:55 PM >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: [microsound] Transducers as speakers >> >> Hi all... >> >> I was wondering if anyone has had any experience using transducer-type speakers. >> I?m planning on using them to generate low frequencies, including infrasound, for a gallery-based installation. >> >> Any info regarding how different materials (e.g. drywall, wood/cement floors, etc.) respond with respect to loudness and eq, power requirements etc. would be useful. >> >> Fwiw, here are some of the speakers I?ve been looking at: >> >> http://www.soliddrive.com/solid-drive.html >> http://www.woweeone.com/index.php >> >> Cheers (and happy new year)... >> >> michael >> >> >> >> .................................... >> >> http://michaeltrommer.blogspot.com/ >> http://soundcloud.com/sans-soleil/ >> http://michaeltrommer.bandcamp.com/ >> http://www.myspace.com/mtrommer >> > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound _________________________ www.macrophone.org soundcloud.com/ben_grossman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Jan 4 16:58:50 2012 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:58:50 -0800 Subject: [microsound] rolen-star transducer Message-ID: <4F04CB9A.2090604@anechoicmedia.com> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolen-Star-Audio-Transducer-8-ohm-25-Watt-Model-208-/150730311911?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23183a08e7 From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Jan 4 17:01:56 2012 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:01:56 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Transducers as speakers Message-ID: <4F04CC54.6080704@anechoicmedia.com> http://www.baudline.com/erik/bass/ From trommer at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 4 17:37:12 2012 From: trommer at sympatico.ca (michael trommer) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:37:12 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Transducers as speakers In-Reply-To: <4F04CC54.6080704@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: ...and that is precisely what I was looking for. Thanks ! On 12-01-04 5:01 PM, "Kim Cascone" wrote: > http://www.baudline.com/erik/bass/ > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > .................................... http://michaeltrommer.blogspot.com/ http://soundcloud.com/sans-soleil/ http://michaeltrommer.bandcamp.com/ http://www.myspace.com/mtrommer From roger at eartrumpet.org Wed Jan 4 22:52:40 2012 From: roger at eartrumpet.org (roger at eartrumpet.org) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:52:40 -0500 Subject: [microsound] synchronous networked A/V Message-ID: <380-2201214535240791@M2W130.mail2web.com> Hi everyone, This might be a little off topic musically but I wondered if anyone knew of a way that two people could watch an mp4 remotely together online, while having a conversation about it ? I have tried sharing my desktop on skype, and while the other person can see it, they can't hear the audio track on it and visa v, or at least I can't seem to find a way to stream the mp4 audio while having the skype audio open at the same time. Any suggestions welcome.. Happy new year to you all ! Roger -- Roger Mills http://www.eartrumpet.org http:ethernetorchestra.netpraxis.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From mis at artengine.ca Thu Jan 5 00:49:34 2012 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 00:49:34 -0500 Subject: [microsound] synchronous networked A/V In-Reply-To: <380-2201214535240791@M2W130.mail2web.com> References: <380-2201214535240791@M2W130.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Hi Roger, The only thing that comes to my (twisted) mind is Scenic ( http://code.sat.qc.ca/trac/scenic/). It would probably take some gstreamer pipeline and the virtual video loopback device (scenic can stream only an external video source) but it could probably work. I once did manage to stream a screencast plus some channels of audio. The audio stream would use Jack so you can mix as many streams as you wish. HTH, ./MiS On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:52 PM, roger at eartrumpet.org wrote: > Hi everyone, > This might be a little off topic musically but I wondered if anyone knew of > a way that two people could watch an mp4 remotely together online, while > having a conversation about it ? > > I have tried sharing my desktop on skype, and while the other person can > see it, they can't hear the audio track on it and visa v, or at least I > can't seem to find a way to stream the mp4 audio while having the skype > audio open at the same time. > > Any suggestions welcome.. > > Happy new year to you all ! > > Roger > > -- > Roger Mills > http://www.eartrumpet.org > http:ethernetorchestra.netpraxis.net > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rukano at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 05:41:45 2012 From: rukano at gmail.com (Juan A. Romero) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 11:41:45 +0100 Subject: [microsound] synchronous networked A/V In-Reply-To: <380-2201214535240791@M2W130.mail2web.com> References: <380-2201214535240791@M2W130.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <12AD6DD0-A284-4830-BFA7-BB19ACE33281@gmail.com> Hi! > This might be a little off topic musically but I wondered if anyone knew of a way that two people could watch an mp4 remotely together online, while having a conversation about it ? iChat (iChat Theatre). Drag and Drop a movie inthe video conversation and plays the movie 'almost' synchronized (maybe about a second delay) for both viewers. Movie audio is streamed too as well as the microphone signal.. I use to watch some series with friends in other countries like this. Cheers, Juan PS. Another solution might include VLC or other video streaming possibility + Skype or TeamSpeak/Ventrilo ? From excalibas at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 05:50:08 2012 From: excalibas at gmail.com (F. Medeiros) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:50:08 +0000 Subject: [microsound] synchronous networked A/V In-Reply-To: <12AD6DD0-A284-4830-BFA7-BB19ACE33281@gmail.com> References: <380-2201214535240791@M2W130.mail2web.com> <12AD6DD0-A284-4830-BFA7-BB19ACE33281@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F058060.9070908@gmail.com> Hello, How about google hangout? I never tried it but it could work. Cheers F. Medeiros On 01/05/2012 10:41 AM, Juan A. Romero wrote: > Hi! > >> This might be a little off topic musically but I wondered if anyone knew of a way that two people could watch an mp4 remotely together online, while having a conversation about it ? > iChat (iChat Theatre). Drag and Drop a movie inthe video conversation and plays the movie 'almost' synchronized (maybe about a second delay) for both viewers. Movie audio is streamed too as well as the microphone signal.. I use to watch some series with friends in other countries like this. > > Cheers, > Juan > > PS. Another solution might include VLC or other video streaming possibility + Skype or TeamSpeak/Ventrilo ? > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From roger at eartrumpet.org Thu Jan 5 05:52:38 2012 From: roger at eartrumpet.org (Roger Mills) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:52:38 +1100 Subject: [microsound] synchronous networked A/V In-Reply-To: <4F058060.9070908@gmail.com> References: <380-2201214535240791@M2W130.mail2web.com> <12AD6DD0-A284-4830-BFA7-BB19ACE33281@gmail.com> <4F058060.9070908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <024AEEF4-4468-4BC9-BB84-E2C6EC2A5A52@eartrumpet.org> I'm looking at that as we speak. Will let you know how I get on. -- Roger Mills http://www.eartrumpet.org http://www.furthernoise.org http://ethernetorchestra.netpraxis.net M: 0403 414495 On 05/01/2012, at 9:50 PM, F. Medeiros wrote: > Hello, > > How about google hangout? I never tried it but it could work. > > Cheers > > F. Medeiros > > On 01/05/2012 10:41 AM, Juan A. Romero wrote: >> Hi! >> >>> This might be a little off topic musically but I wondered if >>> anyone knew of a way that two people could watch an mp4 remotely >>> together online, while having a conversation about it ? >> iChat (iChat Theatre). Drag and Drop a movie inthe video >> conversation and plays the movie 'almost' synchronized (maybe about >> a second delay) for both viewers. Movie audio is streamed too as >> well as the microphone signal.. I use to watch some series with >> friends in other countries like this. >> >> Cheers, >> Juan >> >> PS. Another solution might include VLC or other video streaming >> possibility + Skype or TeamSpeak/Ventrilo ? >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From dev at commtom.com Thu Jan 5 11:24:32 2012 From: dev at commtom.com (devslashnull) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:24:32 -0700 Subject: [microsound] Transducers as speakers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have used the Rolen Stars and the Clark Synthesis ( http://www.clarksynthesis.com/ ) transducers as well as several others like the one from Sparkfun ( http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10975 ), and those little plastic spiders( http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=309-148 ) . The Clark synthesis ( we used the silver version) have much higher output than the Rolen Stars. You have to have amplification that is clean down to 4 Ohms or the amp will clip and melt them (which we did on both models during testing). The higher the mass you are attempting to excite, the more output you'll need. We used them on 3 large steel panels suspended from the ceiling of the gallery we were in (an old church) More info on the work here: http://blog.davidfodel.com/Constructive_Emmanuel On Jan 4, 2012, at 3:37 PM, michael trommer wrote: > ...and that is precisely what I was looking for. > Thanks ! > > > On 12-01-04 5:01 PM, "Kim Cascone" wrote: > >> http://www.baudline.com/erik/bass/ >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > > .................................... > > http://michaeltrommer.blogspot.com/ > http://soundcloud.com/sans-soleil/ > http://michaeltrommer.bandcamp.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/mtrommer > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From dev at commtom.com Thu Jan 5 11:38:51 2012 From: dev at commtom.com (devslashnull) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:38:51 -0700 Subject: [microsound] synchronous networked A/V In-Reply-To: <024AEEF4-4468-4BC9-BB84-E2C6EC2A5A52@eartrumpet.org> References: <380-2201214535240791@M2W130.mail2web.com> <12AD6DD0-A284-4830-BFA7-BB19ACE33281@gmail.com> <4F058060.9070908@gmail.com> <024AEEF4-4468-4BC9-BB84-E2C6EC2A5A52@eartrumpet.org> Message-ID: <86C3D418-EB13-465F-9B4D-92AEDA3E8AA9@commtom.com> maybe just post the mp4 somewhere and both watch it as you chat? i mean, how synchronous does it need to be? On Jan 5, 2012, at 3:52 AM, Roger Mills wrote: > I'm looking at that as we speak. Will let you know how I get on. > -- > Roger Mills > http://www.eartrumpet.org > http://www.furthernoise.org > > http://ethernetorchestra.netpraxis.net > > M: 0403 414495 > > > > On 05/01/2012, at 9:50 PM, F. Medeiros wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> How about google hangout? I never tried it but it could work. >> >> Cheers >> >> F. Medeiros >> >> On 01/05/2012 10:41 AM, Juan A. Romero wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>>> This might be a little off topic musically but I wondered if anyone knew of a way that two people could watch an mp4 remotely together online, while having a conversation about it ? >>> iChat (iChat Theatre). Drag and Drop a movie inthe video conversation and plays the movie 'almost' synchronized (maybe about a second delay) for both viewers. Movie audio is streamed too as well as the microphone signal.. I use to watch some series with friends in other countries like this. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Juan >>> >>> PS. Another solution might include VLC or other video streaming possibility + Skype or TeamSpeak/Ventrilo ? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net Fri Jan 6 01:01:53 2012 From: jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net (John Hopkins) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:01:53 -0700 Subject: [microsound] interesting collection Message-ID: <4F068E51.7060105@tech-no-mad.net> Might be of some interest to some of you... I just ran across this open source library (of mostly texts), http://www.europeana.eu/portal/ but I did find some interesting old recordings as mp3 files, after just a short browse... like http://www.doria.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/66539/RAI-Victor65418_01.mp3 Cheers! John From mmi at art.pte.hu Sat Jan 7 02:02:34 2012 From: mmi at art.pte.hu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Kov=E1cs_Bal=E1zs?=) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 23:02:34 -0800 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques Message-ID: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> Hi microsound list, i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project (http://soundsofpictures.blogspot.com), which targets to present existing and under-development mapping approaches. I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology which could provide an overview of this field, but didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to expand it with new fields: 1) materialist approaches - data bending audification - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping - histogram to spectral processing 2) perceptual approach - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) - edge, shape detection, background extraction on videos or still images, - computer vision to spatialization 3) interactive approaches - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. Thatcher for ex.) - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. Hermann etc.) - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the mapping) and the endless variations of them. more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic which fits in the project, please contact me! and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the announce list because i expect response from the community, and those list isn't the place for it. best/thanks, Bal?zs -- PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. tel/fax:+36(72)501540 mobil:+36(20)2331867 e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 blog: http://art.pte.hu/211orchestra/ From dara1339 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 02:46:07 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 02:46:07 -0500 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> Message-ID: Hello Bal?zs This is great work and I am really pleased to see such modern approach to composition and understanding of both music and geometry. Hope to hear more work form you and your colleagues Dara On 2012-01-07, at 2:02 AM, Kov?cs Bal?zs wrote: > Hi microsound list, > > i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project > (http://soundsofpictures.blogspot.com), which targets to > present existing and under-development mapping approaches. > I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology > which could provide an overview of this field, but > didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! > Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. > > so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to > expand it with new fields: > > 1) materialist approaches > - data bending audification > - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping > - histogram to spectral processing > > 2) perceptual approach > - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) > - edge, shape detection, background extraction on videos or > still images, > - computer vision to spatialization > > 3) interactive approaches > - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. Thatcher for ex.) > - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. Hermann etc.) > - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the mapping) > > and the endless variations of them. > more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic which fits > in the project, please contact me! > > and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the > announce list because i expect response from the community, and those > list isn't the place for it. > > best/thanks, > Bal?zs > > -- > > PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete > PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts > H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. > tel/fax:+36(72)501540 > mobil:+36(20)2331867 > e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu > www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 > blog: http://art.pte.hu/211orchestra/ > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From totem_tm at yahoo.dk Sat Jan 7 06:36:29 2012 From: totem_tm at yahoo.dk (Jonas Olesen) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:36:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> Message-ID: <1325936189.25925.YahooMailNeo@web29013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> the 'Photoshop' approach: http://totem.menneske.dk/BIN/BIN%20DATA%2000-13.htm Not 'data bending', rather the use of Photoshop (or any other image editing software) as an audio editor / generator. ________________________________ Fra: Kov?cs Bal?zs Til: microsound at microsound.org Sendt: 8:02 l?rdag den 7. januar 2012 Emne: [microsound] image sonification techniques Hi microsound list, i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project (http://soundsofpictures.blogspot.com), which targets to present existing and under-development mapping approaches. I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology which could provide an overview of this field, but didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to expand it with new fields: 1) materialist approaches - data bending audification - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping - histogram to spectral processing 2) perceptual approach - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) ??? - edge, shape detection, background extraction on videos or still images, - computer vision to spatialization 3) interactive approaches - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. Thatcher for ex.) - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. Hermann etc.) - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the mapping) and the endless variations of them. more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic which fits in the project, please contact me! and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the announce list because i expect response from the community, and those list isn't the place for it. best/thanks, Bal?zs -- PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. tel/fax:+36(72)501540 mobil:+36(20)2331867 e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 blog: http://art.pte.hu/211orchestra/ _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound at microsound.org http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reusjc at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 06:41:23 2012 From: reusjc at gmail.com (Jonathan Reus) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 12:41:23 +0100 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> Message-ID: Great project, and timely. I'm working on some image scanning UGens for SuperCollider as we speak. :) 2012/1/7 Kov?cs Bal?zs > Hi microsound list, > > i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project > (http://soundsofpictures.**blogspot.com), > which targets to > present existing and under-development mapping approaches. > I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology > which could provide an overview of this field, but > didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! > Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. > > so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to > expand it with new fields: > > 1) materialist approaches > - data bending audification > - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping > - histogram to spectral processing > > 2) perceptual approach > - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) > - edge, shape detection, background extraction on videos or > still images, > - computer vision to spatialization > > 3) interactive approaches > - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. Thatcher for ex.) > - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. Hermann etc.) > - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the mapping) > > and the endless variations of them. > more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic which fits > in the project, please contact me! > > and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the > announce list because i expect response from the community, and those > list isn't the place for it. > > best/thanks, > Bal?zs > > -- > > PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete > PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts > H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. > tel/fax:+36(72)501540 > mobil:+36(20)2331867 > e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu > www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 > blog: http://art.pte.hu/**211orchestra/ > ______________________________**_________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound > -- .......==__--~=-.---.--===-``````---_____.......,_ Jonathan Reus reusjc at gmail.com www.steim.org While the mind makes plans the body makes a story -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at aevox.be Sat Jan 7 06:48:13 2012 From: info at aevox.be (Johan Vandermaelen) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 12:48:13 +0100 Subject: [microsound] Transducers as speakers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F0830FD.50307@aevox.be> Dear Ben, A lot of information on Rain Forrest can also be found in the book Hacking Electronics from Nicolas Collins, who was David Tudors assistent. But I see allready a lot of well documented information in the previous textes. I'm making transducers which can be used as a speaker and as contactmicrophone based on a magnetostrictive priciple. Has a far more even responce (depending on the material you use it with) as a piezo, and also a clearly higher output. But the price is high (300?). Stictly spoken, in the context of that piece, it could be overkill. Best regards, Johan Vandermaelen www.aevox.be Op 4/01/2012 23:37, michael trommer schreef: > ...and that is precisely what I was looking for. > Thanks ! > > > On 12-01-04 5:01 PM, "Kim Cascone" wrote: > >> http://www.baudline.com/erik/bass/ >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > .................................... > > http://michaeltrommer.blogspot.com/ > http://soundcloud.com/sans-soleil/ > http://michaeltrommer.bandcamp.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/mtrommer > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From falabala66 at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 09:51:20 2012 From: falabala66 at gmail.com (J) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:51:20 +0000 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> Message-ID: Not working with digital images as such, but this perhaps loosely relates to "recursive techniques" between light and sound: http://www.jeremykeenan.info/Jeremy_Keenan/Light_Loop.html 2012/1/7 Kov?cs Bal?zs > Hi microsound list, > > i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project > (http://soundsofpictures.**blogspot.com), > which targets to > present existing and under-development mapping approaches. > I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology > which could provide an overview of this field, but > didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! > Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. > > so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to > expand it with new fields: > > 1) materialist approaches > - data bending audification > - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping > - histogram to spectral processing > > 2) perceptual approach > - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) > - edge, shape detection, background extraction on videos or > still images, > - computer vision to spatialization > > 3) interactive approaches > - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. Thatcher for ex.) > - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. Hermann etc.) > - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the mapping) > > and the endless variations of them. > more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic which fits > in the project, please contact me! > > and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the > announce list because i expect response from the community, and those > list isn't the place for it. > > best/thanks, > Bal?zs > > -- > > PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete > PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts > H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. > tel/fax:+36(72)501540 > mobil:+36(20)2331867 > e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu > www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 > blog: http://art.pte.hu/**211orchestra/ > ______________________________**_________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound > -- www.jeremykeenan.info www.callandresponse.org.uk www.fromhoneytoashes.co.uk www.upsidedownumbrella.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From imagimuse at orange.fr Sat Jan 7 12:53:33 2012 From: imagimuse at orange.fr (imagimuse) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 18:53:33 +0100 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> Message-ID: <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> Your site is interesting. I also used Metasynth for some parts of my works, for example: "Acousmatic Tranmutations" http://charles.platel.pagesperso-orange.fr/music/transmut/index.htm This kind of tool may provide interesting sounds and pitch shaping. But it needs some experience feedback to identify what pictures are appropriate for "sonification" or which filters to apply to make pictures appropriate, mainly thresholds, contrast, inversion... so that pictures begin to look like drawings (look at the Panorama link of the above page), as the picture you present yourself. Recursively I tried to use Audacity in spectrogram display as a new picture, but I have not yet found something of interest. But why not? Charles Le 7 janv. 2012 ? 15:51, J a ?crit : > Not working with digital images as such, but this perhaps loosely relates to "recursive techniques" between light and sound: > > http://www.jeremykeenan.info/Jeremy_Keenan/Light_Loop.html > > 2012/1/7 Kov?cs Bal?zs > Hi microsound list, > > i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project > (http://soundsofpictures.blogspot.com), which targets to > present existing and under-development mapping approaches. > I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology > which could provide an overview of this field, but > didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! > Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. > > so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to > expand it with new fields: > > 1) materialist approaches > - data bending audification > - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping > - histogram to spectral processing > > 2) perceptual approach > - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) > - edge, shape detection, background extraction on videos or > still images, > - computer vision to spatialization > > 3) interactive approaches > - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. Thatcher for ex.) > - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. Hermann etc.) > - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the mapping) > > and the endless variations of them. > more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic which fits > in the project, please contact me! > > and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the > announce list because i expect response from the community, and those > list isn't the place for it. > > best/thanks, > Bal?zs > > -- > > PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete > PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts > H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. > tel/fax:+36(72)501540 > mobil:+36(20)2331867 > e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu > www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 > blog: http://art.pte.hu/211orchestra/ > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > -- > www.jeremykeenan.info > www.callandresponse.org.uk > www.fromhoneytoashes.co.uk > www.upsidedownumbrella.info > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dara1339 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 13:29:49 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:29:49 -0500 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> Message-ID: Hello and thank you for this link I will look at it. I use: http://www.uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/index.php These are really kool software developers and musicians. They are professional astute and quite competent. If you take a sound pattern and turn it into an image, as in image filter, say the patters of voice of a human chanter, and use the latter as an image-filter against say wind or water or thunderstorm: http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/beginning What you hear is wind or water or thunderstorm chanting! A very different effect is heard distinctly different than the overlaying or superimposition. Dara On 2012-01-07, at 12:53 PM, imagimuse wrote: > Your site is interesting. > I also used Metasynth for some parts of my works, for example: "Acousmatic Tranmutations" http://charles.platel.pagesperso-orange.fr/music/transmut/index.htm > This kind of tool may provide interesting sounds and pitch shaping. But it needs some experience feedback to identify what pictures are appropriate for "sonification" or which filters to apply to make pictures appropriate, mainly thresholds, contrast, inversion... so that pictures begin to look like drawings (look at the Panorama link of the above page), as the picture you present yourself. > Recursively I tried to use Audacity in spectrogram display as a new picture, but I have not yet found something of interest. But why not? > > Charles > > > > Le 7 janv. 2012 ? 15:51, J a ?crit : > >> Not working with digital images as such, but this perhaps loosely relates to "recursive techniques" between light and sound: >> >> http://www.jeremykeenan.info/Jeremy_Keenan/Light_Loop.html >> >> 2012/1/7 Kov?cs Bal?zs >> Hi microsound list, >> >> i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project >> (http://soundsofpictures.blogspot.com), which targets to >> present existing and under-development mapping approaches. >> I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology >> which could provide an overview of this field, but >> didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! >> Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. >> >> so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to >> expand it with new fields: >> >> 1) materialist approaches >> - data bending audification >> - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping >> - histogram to spectral processing >> >> 2) perceptual approach >> - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) >> - edge, shape detection, background extraction on videos or >> still images, >> - computer vision to spatialization >> >> 3) interactive approaches >> - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. Thatcher for ex.) >> - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. Hermann etc.) >> - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the mapping) >> >> and the endless variations of them. >> more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic which fits >> in the project, please contact me! >> >> and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the >> announce list because i expect response from the community, and those >> list isn't the place for it. >> >> best/thanks, >> Bal?zs >> >> -- >> >> PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete >> PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts >> H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. >> tel/fax:+36(72)501540 >> mobil:+36(20)2331867 >> e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu >> www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 >> blog: http://art.pte.hu/211orchestra/ >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> >> -- >> www.jeremykeenan.info >> www.callandresponse.org.uk >> www.fromhoneytoashes.co.uk >> www.upsidedownumbrella.info >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christopherjette at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 13:34:00 2012 From: christopherjette at gmail.com (christopher jette) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:34:00 -0800 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> Message-ID: Glad to see this topic has come up, enjoying the results. I have also been doing some work with scan synthesis, although I was working with a dancer as input. (http://vimeo.com/28209478). The project is resting and evolving at this time, but we are going to reopen it in a few weeks and perform in Palo Alto. Cheers~ Christopher On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Dara Shayda wrote: > Hello and thank you for this link I will look at it. > > I use: > > http://www.uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/index.php > > These are really kool software developers and musicians. They are > professional astute and quite competent. > > If you take a sound pattern and turn it into an image, as in image filter, > say the patters of voice of a human chanter, and use the latter as an > image-filter against say wind or water or thunderstorm: > > http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/beginning > > What you hear is wind or water or thunderstorm chanting! A very different > effect is heard distinctly different than the overlaying or superimposition. > > Dara > > On 2012-01-07, at 12:53 PM, imagimuse wrote: > > Your site is interesting. > I also used Metasynth for some parts of my works, for example: > "Acousmatic Tranmutations" > http://charles.platel.pagesperso-orange.fr/music/transmut/index.htm > This kind of tool may provide interesting sounds and pitch shaping. But it > needs some experience feedback to identify what pictures are appropriate > for "sonification" or which filters to apply to make pictures appropriate, > mainly thresholds, contrast, inversion... so that pictures begin to look > like drawings (look at the Panorama link of the above page), as the > picture you present yourself. > Recursively I tried to use Audacity in spectrogram display as a new > picture, but I have not yet found something of interest. But why not? > > Charles > > > > Le 7 janv. 2012 ? 15:51, J a ?crit : > > Not working with digital images as such, but this perhaps loosely relates > to "recursive techniques" between light and sound: > > http://www.jeremykeenan.info/Jeremy_Keenan/Light_Loop.html > > 2012/1/7 Kov?cs Bal?zs > >> Hi microsound list, >> >> i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project >> (http://soundsofpictures.**blogspot.com), >> which targets to >> present existing and under-development mapping approaches. >> I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology >> which could provide an overview of this field, but >> didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! >> Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. >> >> so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to >> expand it with new fields: >> >> 1) materialist approaches >> - data bending audification >> - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping >> - histogram to spectral processing >> >> 2) perceptual approach >> - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) >> - edge, shape detection, background extraction on videos or >> still images, >> - computer vision to spatialization >> >> 3) interactive approaches >> - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. Thatcher for ex.) >> - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. Hermann etc.) >> - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the mapping) >> >> and the endless variations of them. >> more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic which fits >> in the project, please contact me! >> >> and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the >> announce list because i expect response from the community, and those >> list isn't the place for it. >> >> best/thanks, >> Bal?zs >> >> -- >> >> PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete >> PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts >> H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. >> tel/fax:+36(72)501540 >> mobil:+36(20)2331867 >> e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu >> www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 >> blog: http://art.pte.hu/**211orchestra/ >> ______________________________**_________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound >> > > > > -- > www.jeremykeenan.info > www.callandresponse.org.uk > www.fromhoneytoashes.co.uk > www.upsidedownumbrella.info > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -- www.cj.lovelyweather.com christopherjette at gmail.com 617.869.3968 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dara1339 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 01:48:25 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 01:48:25 -0500 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> Message-ID: Hello Sir I would be interested in image-synth sort of ideas for human motion as you prototyped in this wonderful work. Facial muscular motions for pronouncing the phonemes would be a good start, does not have to be about dancing. Also eye motion tracking is another wonderful domain for image synth. Dara On 2012-01-07, at 1:34 PM, christopher jette wrote: > Glad to see this topic has come up, enjoying the results. I have also been doing some work with scan synthesis, although I was working with a dancer as input. (http://vimeo.com/28209478). The project is resting and evolving at this time, but we are going to reopen it in a few weeks and perform in Palo Alto. > > Cheers~ > Christopher > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Dara Shayda wrote: > Hello and thank you for this link I will look at it. > > I use: > > http://www.uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/index.php > > These are really kool software developers and musicians. They are professional astute and quite competent. > > If you take a sound pattern and turn it into an image, as in image filter, say the patters of voice of a human chanter, and use the latter as an image-filter against say wind or water or thunderstorm: > > http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/beginning > > What you hear is wind or water or thunderstorm chanting! A very different effect is heard distinctly different than the overlaying or superimposition. > > Dara > > On 2012-01-07, at 12:53 PM, imagimuse wrote: > >> Your site is interesting. >> I also used Metasynth for some parts of my works, for example: "Acousmatic Tranmutations" http://charles.platel.pagesperso-orange.fr/music/transmut/index.htm >> This kind of tool may provide interesting sounds and pitch shaping. But it needs some experience feedback to identify what pictures are appropriate for "sonification" or which filters to apply to make pictures appropriate, mainly thresholds, contrast, inversion... so that pictures begin to look like drawings (look at the Panorama link of the above page), as the picture you present yourself. >> Recursively I tried to use Audacity in spectrogram display as a new picture, but I have not yet found something of interest. But why not? >> >> Charles >> >> >> >> Le 7 janv. 2012 ? 15:51, J a ?crit : >> >>> Not working with digital images as such, but this perhaps loosely relates to "recursive techniques" between light and sound: >>> >>> http://www.jeremykeenan.info/Jeremy_Keenan/Light_Loop.html >>> >>> 2012/1/7 Kov?cs Bal?zs >>> Hi microsound list, >>> >>> i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project >>> (http://soundsofpictures.blogspot.com), which targets to >>> present existing and under-development mapping approaches. >>> I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology >>> which could provide an overview of this field, but >>> didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! >>> Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. >>> >>> so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to >>> expand it with new fields: >>> >>> 1) materialist approaches >>> - data bending audification >>> - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping >>> - histogram to spectral processing >>> >>> 2) perceptual approach >>> - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) >>> - edge, shape detection, background extraction on videos or >>> still images, >>> - computer vision to spatialization >>> >>> 3) interactive approaches >>> - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. Thatcher for ex.) >>> - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. Hermann etc.) >>> - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the mapping) >>> >>> and the endless variations of them. >>> more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic which fits >>> in the project, please contact me! >>> >>> and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the >>> announce list because i expect response from the community, and those >>> list isn't the place for it. >>> >>> best/thanks, >>> Bal?zs >>> >>> -- >>> >>> PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete >>> PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts >>> H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. >>> tel/fax:+36(72)501540 >>> mobil:+36(20)2331867 >>> e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu >>> www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 >>> blog: http://art.pte.hu/211orchestra/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.jeremykeenan.info >>> www.callandresponse.org.uk >>> www.fromhoneytoashes.co.uk >>> www.upsidedownumbrella.info >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > -- > www.cj.lovelyweather.com > christopherjette at gmail.com > 617.869.3968 > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dara1339 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 01:57:23 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 01:57:23 -0500 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> Message-ID: > Recursively I tried to use Audacity in spectrogram display as a new picture, but I have not yet found something of interest. But why not? I use Wavelets decomposition to break the images into coarser levels for Image Synth. Please see some documentation for both Wavelet theory and computation and Image Synth working with Wavelet decomposition: http://www.lossofgenerality.com/wavelets/ Dara On 2012-01-07, at 12:53 PM, imagimuse wrote: > Your site is interesting. > I also used Metasynth for some parts of my works, for example: "Acousmatic Tranmutations" http://charles.platel.pagesperso-orange.fr/music/transmut/index.htm > This kind of tool may provide interesting sounds and pitch shaping. But it needs some experience feedback to identify what pictures are appropriate for "sonification" or which filters to apply to make pictures appropriate, mainly thresholds, contrast, inversion... so that pictures begin to look like drawings (look at the Panorama link of the above page), as the picture you present yourself. > Recursively I tried to use Audacity in spectrogram display as a new picture, but I have not yet found something of interest. But why not? > > Charles > > > > Le 7 janv. 2012 ? 15:51, J a ?crit : > >> Not working with digital images as such, but this perhaps loosely relates to "recursive techniques" between light and sound: >> >> http://www.jeremykeenan.info/Jeremy_Keenan/Light_Loop.html >> >> 2012/1/7 Kov?cs Bal?zs >> Hi microsound list, >> >> i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project >> (http://soundsofpictures.blogspot.com), which targets to >> present existing and under-development mapping approaches. >> I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology >> which could provide an overview of this field, but >> didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! >> Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. >> >> so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to >> expand it with new fields: >> >> 1) materialist approaches >> - data bending audification >> - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping >> - histogram to spectral processing >> >> 2) perceptual approach >> - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) >> - edge, shape detection, background extraction on videos or >> still images, >> - computer vision to spatialization >> >> 3) interactive approaches >> - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. Thatcher for ex.) >> - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. Hermann etc.) >> - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the mapping) >> >> and the endless variations of them. >> more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic which fits >> in the project, please contact me! >> >> and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the >> announce list because i expect response from the community, and those >> list isn't the place for it. >> >> best/thanks, >> Bal?zs >> >> -- >> >> PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete >> PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts >> H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. >> tel/fax:+36(72)501540 >> mobil:+36(20)2331867 >> e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu >> www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 >> blog: http://art.pte.hu/211orchestra/ >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> >> -- >> www.jeremykeenan.info >> www.callandresponse.org.uk >> www.fromhoneytoashes.co.uk >> www.upsidedownumbrella.info >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmi at art.pte.hu Tue Jan 10 02:03:36 2012 From: mmi at art.pte.hu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kov=E1cs_Bal=E1zs?=) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 23:03:36 -0800 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> Message-ID: <4F0BE2C8.10900@art.pte.hu> Hi Dara, sorry for the late response, and many thanks for the support! i plan to begin the interaction-based works in the last part of the project, probably the next week? i built a basic eye/mouth follower (http://vimeo.com/31281227), but i don't have experiences with phoneme recognition... anyway it would be very good to include it in the series, so if You have idea, then welcome and i would join in! maybe i could also develop a system for the end of the next weak, but as i see you have experiences in the field with this wonderful "Beginning" work! All the best, Bal?zs 2012.01.09. 22:48 keltez?ssel, Dara Shayda ?rta: > Hello Sir > > I would be interested in image-synth sort of ideas for human motion as > you prototyped in this wonderful work. > > Facial muscular motions for pronouncing the phonemes would be a good > start, does not have to be about dancing. > > Also eye motion tracking is another wonderful domain for image synth. > > Dara > > On 2012-01-07, at 1:34 PM, christopher jette wrote: > >> Glad to see this topic has come up, enjoying the results. I have >> also been doing some work with scan synthesis, although I was working >> with a dancer as input. (http://vimeo.com/28209478). The project is >> resting and evolving at this time, but we are going to reopen it in a >> few weeks and perform in Palo Alto. >> >> Cheers~ >> Christopher >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Dara Shayda > > wrote: >> >> Hello and thank you for this link I will look at it. >> >> I use: >> >> http://www.uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/index.php >> >> These are really kool software developers and musicians. They are >> professional astute and quite competent. >> >> If you take a sound pattern and turn it into an image, as in >> image filter, say the patters of voice of a human chanter, and >> use the latter as an image-filter against say wind or water or >> thunderstorm: >> >> http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/beginning >> >> What you hear is wind or water or thunderstorm chanting! A very >> different effect is heard distinctly different than the >> overlaying or superimposition. >> >> Dara >> >> On 2012-01-07, at 12:53 PM, imagimuse wrote: >> >>> Your site is interesting. >>> I also used Metasynth for some parts of my works, for example: >>> "Acousmatic Tranmutations" >>> http://charles.platel.pagesperso-orange.fr/music/transmut/index.htm >>> This kind of tool may provide interesting sounds and pitch >>> shaping. But it needs some experience feedback to identify what >>> pictures are appropriate for "sonification" or which filters to >>> apply to make pictures appropriate, mainly thresholds, contrast, >>> inversion... so that pictures begin to look like drawings (look >>> at the Panorama link of the above page), as the picture you >>> present yourself. >>> Recursively I tried to use Audacity in spectrogram display as a >>> new picture, but I have not yet found something of interest. But >>> why not? >>> >>> Charles >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 7 janv. 2012 ? 15:51, J a ?crit : >>> >>>> Not working with digital images as such, but this perhaps >>>> loosely relates to "recursive techniques" between light and sound: >>>> >>>> http://www.jeremykeenan.info/Jeremy_Keenan/Light_Loop.html >>>> >>>> 2012/1/7 Kov?cs Bal?zs > >>>> >>>> Hi microsound list, >>>> >>>> i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project >>>> (http://soundsofpictures.blogspot.com >>>> ), which targets to >>>> present existing and under-development mapping approaches. >>>> I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology >>>> which could provide an overview of this field, but >>>> didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! >>>> Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. >>>> >>>> so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to >>>> expand it with new fields: >>>> >>>> 1) materialist approaches >>>> - data bending audification >>>> - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping >>>> - histogram to spectral processing >>>> >>>> 2) perceptual approach >>>> - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) >>>> - edge, shape detection, background extraction on >>>> videos or >>>> still images, >>>> - computer vision to spatialization >>>> >>>> 3) interactive approaches >>>> - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. >>>> Thatcher for ex.) >>>> - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. >>>> Hermann etc.) >>>> - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the >>>> mapping) >>>> >>>> and the endless variations of them. >>>> more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic >>>> which fits >>>> in the project, please contact me! >>>> >>>> and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the >>>> announce list because i expect response from the community, >>>> and those >>>> list isn't the place for it. >>>> >>>> best/thanks, >>>> Bal?zs >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete >>>> PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts >>>> H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. >>>> tel/fax:+36(72)501540 >>>> mobil:+36(20)2331867 >>>> e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu >>>> www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 >>>> blog: http://art.pte.hu/211orchestra/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> microsound mailing list >>>> microsound at microsound.org >>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.jeremykeenan.info >>>> www.callandresponse.org.uk >>>> www.fromhoneytoashes.co.uk >>>> www.upsidedownumbrella.info >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> microsound mailing list >>>> microsound at microsound.org >>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.cj.lovelyweather.com >> christopherjette at gmail.com >> 617.869.3968 >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -- PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. tel/fax:+36(72)501540 mobil:+36(20)2331867 e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 blog: http://art.pte.hu/211orchestra/ From christopherjette at gmail.com Tue Jan 10 02:21:45 2012 From: christopherjette at gmail.com (christopher jette) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 23:21:45 -0800 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> Message-ID: Hello Dara, Indeed, the face and eye motion tracking are interesting. I have seen your work on wavelets and been meaning to wrap my brain around it as I think it would provide the sort of detailed analysis that is needed for working with the face. SoundLines is my first work in this area and I approached it as a composer thinking about the role of a performer. I simply removed the instrumental extension of the performer and was left with the body, hence, a dancer was the right choice at the time. I have been thinking about smaller more focused places to take this and like your idea. I have also been thinking about working without humans, using robots. I have done some experiments but am not satisfied with the results yet. It turns out (as is obvious upon reflection) that continuously moving wind up toys (my robot stand ins) are well.. continuously moving. So I am thinking about how to reshape the environment they exist in. What I like about your suggestion is that it is more focused, yet retains the expressivety of humans. I'll see what I can figure out. Cheers~ Christopher On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Dara Shayda wrote: > Hello Sir > > I would be interested in image-synth sort of ideas for human motion as you > prototyped in this wonderful work. > > Facial muscular motions for pronouncing the phonemes would be a good > start, does not have to be about dancing. > > Also eye motion tracking is another wonderful domain for image synth. > > Dara > > On 2012-01-07, at 1:34 PM, christopher jette wrote: > > Glad to see this topic has come up, enjoying the results. I have also > been doing some work with scan synthesis, although I was working with a > dancer as input. (http://vimeo.com/28209478). The project is resting and > evolving at this time, but we are going to reopen it in a few weeks and > perform in Palo Alto. > > Cheers~ > Christopher > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Dara Shayda wrote: > >> Hello and thank you for this link I will look at it. >> >> I use: >> >> http://www.uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/index.php >> >> These are really kool software developers and musicians. They are >> professional astute and quite competent. >> >> If you take a sound pattern and turn it into an image, as in image >> filter, say the patters of voice of a human chanter, and use the latter as >> an image-filter against say wind or water or thunderstorm: >> >> http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/beginning >> >> What you hear is wind or water or thunderstorm chanting! A very different >> effect is heard distinctly different than the overlaying or superimposition. >> >> Dara >> >> On 2012-01-07, at 12:53 PM, imagimuse wrote: >> >> Your site is interesting. >> I also used Metasynth for some parts of my works, for example: >> "Acousmatic Tranmutations" >> http://charles.platel.pagesperso-orange.fr/music/transmut/index.htm >> This kind of tool may provide interesting sounds and pitch shaping. But >> it needs some experience feedback to identify what pictures are appropriate >> for "sonification" or which filters to apply to make pictures appropriate, >> mainly thresholds, contrast, inversion... so that pictures begin to look >> like drawings (look at the Panorama link of the above page), as the >> picture you present yourself. >> Recursively I tried to use Audacity in spectrogram display as a new >> picture, but I have not yet found something of interest. But why not? >> >> Charles >> >> >> >> Le 7 janv. 2012 ? 15:51, J a ?crit : >> >> Not working with digital images as such, but this perhaps loosely relates >> to "recursive techniques" between light and sound: >> >> http://www.jeremykeenan.info/Jeremy_Keenan/Light_Loop.html >> >> 2012/1/7 Kov?cs Bal?zs >> >>> Hi microsound list, >>> >>> i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project >>> (http://soundsofpictures.**blogspot.com), >>> which targets to >>> present existing and under-development mapping approaches. >>> I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology >>> which could provide an overview of this field, but >>> didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! >>> Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. >>> >>> so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to >>> expand it with new fields: >>> >>> 1) materialist approaches >>> - data bending audification >>> - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping >>> - histogram to spectral processing >>> >>> 2) perceptual approach >>> - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) >>> - edge, shape detection, background extraction on videos or >>> still images, >>> - computer vision to spatialization >>> >>> 3) interactive approaches >>> - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. Thatcher for ex.) >>> - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. Hermann etc.) >>> - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the mapping) >>> >>> and the endless variations of them. >>> more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic which fits >>> in the project, please contact me! >>> >>> and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the >>> announce list because i expect response from the community, and those >>> list isn't the place for it. >>> >>> best/thanks, >>> Bal?zs >>> >>> -- >>> >>> PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete >>> PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts >>> H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. >>> tel/fax:+36(72)501540 >>> mobil:+36(20)2331867 >>> e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu >>> www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 >>> blog: http://art.pte.hu/**211orchestra/ >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.jeremykeenan.info >> www.callandresponse.org.uk >> www.fromhoneytoashes.co.uk >> www.upsidedownumbrella.info >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > > > -- > www.cj.lovelyweather.com > christopherjette at gmail.com > 617.869.3968 > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -- www.cj.lovelyweather.com christopherjette at gmail.com 617.869.3968 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dara1339 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 02:43:57 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 02:43:57 -0500 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> Message-ID: Hello Christopher These are grand ideas. I play around with MetaSynth 5 and some videos and report back. I would not do the robotic route, they are too primitive as you found out. I have some ideas from you so I will sketch out some trials. Thanx Dara On 2012-01-10, at 2:21 AM, christopher jette wrote: > Hello Dara, > > Indeed, the face and eye motion tracking are interesting. I have seen your work on wavelets and been meaning to wrap my brain around it as I think it would provide the sort of detailed analysis that is needed for working with the face. > > SoundLines is my first work in this area and I approached it as a composer thinking about the role of a performer. I simply removed the instrumental extension of the performer and was left with the body, hence, a dancer was the right choice at the time. I have been thinking about smaller more focused places to take this and like your idea. I have also been thinking about working without humans, using robots. I have done some experiments but am not satisfied with the results yet. It turns out (as is obvious upon reflection) that continuously moving wind up toys (my robot stand ins) are well.. continuously moving. So I am thinking about how to reshape the environment they exist in. > > What I like about your suggestion is that it is more focused, yet retains the expressivety of humans. I'll see what I can figure out. > > Cheers~ > Christopher > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Dara Shayda wrote: > Hello Sir > > I would be interested in image-synth sort of ideas for human motion as you prototyped in this wonderful work. > > Facial muscular motions for pronouncing the phonemes would be a good start, does not have to be about dancing. > > Also eye motion tracking is another wonderful domain for image synth. > > Dara > > On 2012-01-07, at 1:34 PM, christopher jette wrote: > >> Glad to see this topic has come up, enjoying the results. I have also been doing some work with scan synthesis, although I was working with a dancer as input. (http://vimeo.com/28209478). The project is resting and evolving at this time, but we are going to reopen it in a few weeks and perform in Palo Alto. >> >> Cheers~ >> Christopher >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Dara Shayda wrote: >> Hello and thank you for this link I will look at it. >> >> I use: >> >> http://www.uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/index.php >> >> These are really kool software developers and musicians. They are professional astute and quite competent. >> >> If you take a sound pattern and turn it into an image, as in image filter, say the patters of voice of a human chanter, and use the latter as an image-filter against say wind or water or thunderstorm: >> >> http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/beginning >> >> What you hear is wind or water or thunderstorm chanting! A very different effect is heard distinctly different than the overlaying or superimposition. >> >> Dara >> >> On 2012-01-07, at 12:53 PM, imagimuse wrote: >> >>> Your site is interesting. >>> I also used Metasynth for some parts of my works, for example: "Acousmatic Tranmutations" http://charles.platel.pagesperso-orange.fr/music/transmut/index.htm >>> This kind of tool may provide interesting sounds and pitch shaping. But it needs some experience feedback to identify what pictures are appropriate for "sonification" or which filters to apply to make pictures appropriate, mainly thresholds, contrast, inversion... so that pictures begin to look like drawings (look at the Panorama link of the above page), as the picture you present yourself. >>> Recursively I tried to use Audacity in spectrogram display as a new picture, but I have not yet found something of interest. But why not? >>> >>> Charles >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 7 janv. 2012 ? 15:51, J a ?crit : >>> >>>> Not working with digital images as such, but this perhaps loosely relates to "recursive techniques" between light and sound: >>>> >>>> http://www.jeremykeenan.info/Jeremy_Keenan/Light_Loop.html >>>> >>>> 2012/1/7 Kov?cs Bal?zs >>>> Hi microsound list, >>>> >>>> i'm currently working on a daily image sonification project >>>> (http://soundsofpictures.blogspot.com), which targets to >>>> present existing and under-development mapping approaches. >>>> I'm looking for sources to build the topology topology >>>> which could provide an overview of this field, but >>>> didn't found, so if somebody has suggestions then welcome! >>>> Anyway the project is of course open to cooperations. >>>> >>>> so, currently i'm following this topology, and would like to >>>> expand it with new fields: >>>> >>>> 1) materialist approaches >>>> - data bending audification >>>> - scanning synthesis, color synth, pixel to frequency mapping >>>> - histogram to spectral processing >>>> >>>> 2) perceptual approach >>>> - computer vision (great sources by Jean-Marc Pelletier) >>>> - edge, shape detection, background extraction on videos or >>>> still images, >>>> - computer vision to spatialization >>>> >>>> 3) interactive approaches >>>> - data exploration (it has literature, Gil Weinberg-Tr. Thatcher for ex.) >>>> - model based sonification (it has also literature, Th. Hermann etc.) >>>> - recoursive techniques (the sound output feeds back the mapping) >>>> >>>> and the endless variations of them. >>>> more ideas welcome, and if somebody feels that has a topic which fits >>>> in the project, please contact me! >>>> >>>> and for avoiding the monthly reminder, i'm not posting to the >>>> announce list because i expect response from the community, and those >>>> list isn't the place for it. >>>> >>>> best/thanks, >>>> Bal?zs >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete >>>> PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts >>>> H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. >>>> tel/fax:+36(72)501540 >>>> mobil:+36(20)2331867 >>>> e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu >>>> www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 >>>> blog: http://art.pte.hu/211orchestra/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> microsound mailing list >>>> microsound at microsound.org >>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.jeremykeenan.info >>>> www.callandresponse.org.uk >>>> www.fromhoneytoashes.co.uk >>>> www.upsidedownumbrella.info >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> microsound mailing list >>>> microsound at microsound.org >>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.cj.lovelyweather.com >> christopherjette at gmail.com >> 617.869.3968 >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > -- > www.cj.lovelyweather.com > christopherjette at gmail.com > 617.869.3968 > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmi at art.pte.hu Tue Jan 10 02:49:43 2012 From: mmi at art.pte.hu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kov=E1cs_Bal=E1zs?=) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 23:49:43 -0800 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: <4F0BE2C8.10900@art.pte.hu> References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> <4F0BE2C8.10900@art.pte.hu> Message-ID: <4F0BED97.7070109@art.pte.hu> dear Dara, Christopher, List excuse me, i absolutely misunderstood the mail:)) (art of failures...) and join Dara to express congratulations for the work. greetings, Bal?zs 2012.01.09. 23:03 keltez?ssel, Kov?cs Bal?zs ?rta: > Hi Dara, > > sorry for the late response, and many thanks for the support! > > i plan to begin the interaction-based works in the last part of the > project, probably > the next week? i built a basic eye/mouth follower > (http://vimeo.com/31281227), > but i don't have experiences with phoneme recognition... anyway it > would be very > good to include it in the series, so if You have idea, then welcome > and i would join > in! maybe i could also develop a system for the end of the next weak, > but as i see > you have experiences in the field with this wonderful "Beginning" work! > > All the best, > Bal?zs > > 2012.01.09. 22:48 keltez?ssel, Dara Shayda ?rta: >> Hello Sir >> >> I would be interested in image-synth sort of ideas for human motion >> as you prototyped in this wonderful work. >> >> Facial muscular motions for pronouncing the phonemes would be a good >> start, does not have to be about dancing. >> >> Also eye motion tracking is another wonderful domain for image synth. >> >> Dara >> >> On 2012-01-07, at 1:34 PM, christopher jette wrote: >> >>> Glad to see this topic has come up, enjoying the results. I have >>> also been doing some work with scan synthesis, although I was >>> working with a dancer as input. (http://vimeo.com/28209478). The >>> project is resting and evolving at this time, but we are going to >>> reopen it in a few weeks and perform in Palo Alto. >>> >>> Cheers~ >>> Christopher >>> -- PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. tel/fax:+36(72)501540 mobil:+36(20)2331867 e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 blog: http://art.pte.hu/211orchestra/ From dara1339 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 02:50:55 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 02:50:55 -0500 Subject: [microsound] image sonific... Message-ID: (The thread got too long and got a moderator message so I cut it to a smaller piece) Hello Balzas There are two sources of video and images for the phonemes: 1. The usual facial gestures as you are doing your self. But I think you need to wear some make-up i.e. some dots on your face which you track in 2D or 3D depending on how sophisticated you want to get, see this for ideas: http://www-prima.inrialpes.fr/FGnet/data/01-TalkingFace/talking_face.html you can make a simple system for yourself by painting your face with highly contrasting dots and then record the video and extract their 2D or 3D motion. Lots of papers on that on the net. 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-PZlj0UH0c you can borrow from these videos, easily we can get sequential frames and then image synth them. You also have the actual sound from the larynx which can overlay the image synth sounds I will write you more offline D On 2012-01-10, at 2:03 AM, Kov?cs Bal?zs wrote: > Hi Dara, > > sorry for the late response, and many thanks for the support! > > i plan to begin the interaction-based works in the last part of the project, probably > the next week? i built a basic eye/mouth follower (http://vimeo.com/31281227), > but i don't have experiences with phoneme recognition... anyway it would be very > good to include it in the series, so if You have idea, then welcome and i would join > in! maybe i could also develop a system for the end of the next weak, but as i see > you have experiences in the field with this wonderful "Beginning" work! > > All the best, > Bal?zs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dara1339 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 03:53:46 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 03:53:46 -0500 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: <4F0BE2C8.10900@art.pte.hu> References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> <4F0BE2C8.10900@art.pte.hu> Message-ID: http://orazon-art.com/ressources/tool/mocap/mocap_01.jpg This is what I was referring to in terms of makeup. You place some sticky dots on your face and then videotape yourself talking or singing and so on. You can write a little tool (or borrow from some 100s of others who do facial gesture capture research) and extract the 2D/ 3D movements of the face. Then redo the video without the dots. Use the dots as input parameters into you software, so they will serve like a sequencer for local synthetizers you can attach to each dot. Synthesize individual dots and then superimpose the sounds. The redone video without the dots can be image synthed frame by frame. You can then have the dots data to drive changes to the audio track of the voice. So you get three sets of sounds generated from facial gestures. Similar concept can work with the rest of the limbs. There are expensive 3D gear for the whole body and face. But you might be able to do with the sticky dots for the beginning. D On 2012-01-10, at 2:03 AM, Kov?cs Bal?zs wrote: > Hi Dara, > > sorry for the late response, and many thanks for the support! > > i plan to begin the interaction-based works in the last part of the project, probably > the next week? i built a basic eye/mouth follower (http://vimeo.com/31281227), > but i don't have experiences with phoneme recognition... anyway it would be very > good to include it in the series, so if You have idea, then welcome and i would join > in! maybe i could also develop a system for the end of the next weak, but as i see > you have experiences in the field with this wonderful "Beginning" work! > > All the best, > Bal?zs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dara1339 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 05:46:33 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:46:33 -0500 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: References: <4F07EE0A.2010609@art.pte.hu> <6141B1FC-1DBB-4E0F-8EF2-4DA34F857509@orange.fr> Message-ID: http://vimeo.com/1439229 I think your dancer with 'fluorescent make' up would generate a lot better music from her movements. You can paint her limbs with different colours which would trigger different synthesizers for sound. You need to light the stage entirely with black light: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_light On smaller scale, we can practice with crayons: http://www.amazon.com/Fun-World-Costumes-Fluorescent-Crayons/dp/B003RYIRA6 for say the arms and hands of an instrumentalist These are inexpensive solutions to more expensive systems done in studios. For 3D data you can paint portions of the limbs with larger bands or dots, and then place two cameras at two different angles. So you get two sets of dots projected into say y-z plane and x-z plane and if you enough number of colours you can reconstruct a 3D matrix of data for your dancer. D On 2012-01-07, at 1:34 PM, christopher jette wrote: > Glad to see this topic has come up, enjoying the results. I have also been doing some work with scan synthesis, although I was working with a dancer as input. (http://vimeo.com/28209478). The project is resting and evolving at this time, but we are going to reopen it in a few weeks and perform in Palo Alto. > > Cheers~ > Christopher > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Dara Shayda wrote: > Hello and thank you for this link I will look at it. > > I use: > > http://www.uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/index.php > > These are really kool software developers and musicians. They are professional astute and quite competent. > > If you take a sound pattern and turn it into an image, as in image filter, say the patters of voice of a human chanter, and use the latter as an image-filter against say wind or water or thunderstorm: > > http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/beginning > > What you hear is wind or water or thunderstorm chanting! A very different effect is heard distinctly different than the overlaying or superimposition. > > Dara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es Tue Jan 10 14:22:05 2012 From: mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es (Jaime Munarriz Ortiz) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:22:05 +0100 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques Message-ID: <4F0C8FDD.6080906@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> Hi, I've been working on this too. The motion of a danger generates sound. The video-cam was tracked in Isadora and sent as midi messages to Live. You can check the tests at: http://tagmagic.wordpress.com/ under "Generative dance #1" From dara1339 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 14:27:26 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:27:26 -0500 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: <4F0C8FDD.6080906@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> References: <4F0C8FDD.6080906@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> Message-ID: Hello Sir A good stab at the ideas posted last night. If I were to do this, I would generate all the sounds from the bodily motions including the beats. Avoid any 'synthstic' sounds D On 2012-01-10, at 2:22 PM, Jaime Munarriz Ortiz wrote: > Hi, I've been working on this too. The motion of a danger generates sound. > The video-cam was tracked in Isadora and sent as midi messages to Live. > You can check the tests at: > > http://tagmagic.wordpress.com/ > > under "Generative dance #1" > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es Tue Jan 10 14:33:54 2012 From: mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es (Jaime Munarriz Ortiz) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:33:54 +0100 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques Message-ID: <4F0C92A2.4080705@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> I did motion capture at Amsterdam long time ago, body and facial. You can use ultrareflective material for the dots, and infrared cameras to receive a really clean image. But you don't need a scientific precision: I had great results using just the "difference factor" between 2 frames, i.e., the amount of change. You can read motion from different sections of the image, getting some "virtual pads" that can flow to different sound parameters. From them you can extract the moving blobs, the amount of certain colors, the changes in time... this coul lead to a very expressive system, without the scientific precission of motion capture. From dara1339 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 14:43:30 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:43:30 -0500 Subject: [microsound] image sonification techniques In-Reply-To: <4F0C92A2.4080705@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> References: <4F0C92A2.4080705@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> Message-ID: These are great experiments and ideas. Thank you for sharing. Instead of Image Synth, if you do Image Filter i.e. turn the video frames into filter masks, then you can control the way a pre-existing sound file plays i.e. the motions of the limps dictates which parts of the frequency spectrum are in high intensity. This way the dancer does not generate the sound, but controls the amplitude for the frequency map of an existing sound. Then dancer can perform moves that will up the amplitude for frequency regions he or she likes to hear through her bodily motion. Perhaps as you mention 'virtual pads' would allow for multiple such sound generation and frequency manipulations. Thanx again for these innovative experiments. I like to learn more. Dara On 2012-01-10, at 2:33 PM, Jaime Munarriz Ortiz wrote: > I did motion capture at Amsterdam long time ago, body and facial. > You can use ultrareflective material for the dots, and infrared cameras to receive a really clean image. > But you don't need a scientific precision: I had great results using just the "difference factor" between 2 frames, i.e., the amount of change. > You can read motion from different sections of the image, getting some "virtual pads" that can flow to different sound parameters. From them you can extract the moving blobs, the amount of certain colors, the changes in time... this coul lead to a very expressive system, without the scientific precission of motion capture. > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From dara1339 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 13 21:42:25 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:42:25 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Volumetric Music: Catscan Message-ID: Hello http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/catscan Make a strip of slices from an actual human skull cat-scan. 'trills' made from wavelet decomposition of a particular scan slice. I will do the same with recorded video in a few days Dara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mmi at art.pte.hu Tue Jan 17 13:28:02 2012 From: mmi at art.pte.hu (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Kov=E1cs_Bal=E1zs?=) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:28:02 -0800 Subject: [microsound] SF area events Message-ID: <4F15BDB2.40005@art.pte.hu> Dear Microsound list, if somebody is familiar in San Francisco and area, please could You recommend me venues, noisemusic stores, events for this weekend? (private message if possible) I'll going there because of the tape music festival, and would be very intersted what's happening there otherwise.. i have a copy of our hungarian electronic music vinyl as well for trade in a beer or so :) (http://diobel.periszkopradio.hu/spr11_eng.html) thanks, all the best, Bal?zs ps: many thanks for the ideas and comments on the Sounds of Pictures project and image sonification! -- PTE Muveszeti Kar, Media- es Alkalmazott Muveszetek Intezete PTE Faculty of Arts, Institute for Media and Applied Arts H-7630 Pecs, Zsolnay Vilmos u. 16. tel/fax:+36(72)501540 mobil:+36(20)2331867 e-mail: mmi at art.pte.hu www: http://www.art.pte.hu/menu/92 blog: http://art.pte.hu/211orchestra/ From jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net Tue Jan 17 13:50:45 2012 From: jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net (John Hopkins) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:50:45 -0700 Subject: [microsound] listen to the deep In-Reply-To: <4F15BDB2.40005@art.pte.hu> References: <4F15BDB2.40005@art.pte.hu> Message-ID: <4F15C305.7060509@tech-no-mad.net> heads up on a nice ocean acoustic site... http://www.listentothedeep.com/acoustics/index.html jh +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Hopkins, Researcher Centre for Creative Arts La Trobe University, Melbourne, Victoria 3086 http://neoscenes.net/ http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ chazhop at gmail.com; skype: chazhopkins AU Mobile - +61 (0)40 696 4610 US cell - +1 928 308 6466 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From music at johndenosky.com Tue Jan 17 14:17:52 2012 From: music at johndenosky.com (John DeNosky) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:17:52 -0600 Subject: [microsound] listen to the deep In-Reply-To: <4F15C305.7060509@tech-no-mad.net> References: <4F15BDB2.40005@art.pte.hu> <4F15C305.7060509@tech-no-mad.net> Message-ID: GREAT find! Thanks! J On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:50 PM, John Hopkins wrote: > heads up on a nice ocean acoustic site... http://www.listentothedeep.com/acoustics/index.html > > jh > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > John Hopkins, Researcher > Centre for Creative Arts > La Trobe University, Melbourne, Victoria 3086 > http://neoscenes.net/ > http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ > chazhop at gmail.com; skype: chazhopkins > AU Mobile - +61 (0)40 696 4610 > US cell - +1 928 308 6466 > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From music at johndenosky.com Tue Jan 17 14:17:52 2012 From: music at johndenosky.com (John DeNosky) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:17:52 -0600 Subject: [microsound] listen to the deep In-Reply-To: <4F15C305.7060509@tech-no-mad.net> References: <4F15BDB2.40005@art.pte.hu> <4F15C305.7060509@tech-no-mad.net> Message-ID: GREAT find! Thanks! J On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:50 PM, John Hopkins wrote: > heads up on a nice ocean acoustic site... http://www.listentothedeep.com/acoustics/index.html > > jh > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > John Hopkins, Researcher > Centre for Creative Arts > La Trobe University, Melbourne, Victoria 3086 > http://neoscenes.net/ > http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ > chazhop at gmail.com; skype: chazhopkins > AU Mobile - +61 (0)40 696 4610 > US cell - +1 928 308 6466 > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From devel at thesaddj.com Tue Jan 17 15:04:08 2012 From: devel at thesaddj.com (Marco Donnarumma) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:04:08 +0000 Subject: [microsound] listen to the deep In-Reply-To: References: <4F15BDB2.40005@art.pte.hu> <4F15C305.7060509@tech-no-mad.net> Message-ID: nice indeed, thanks for sharing. M On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 7:17 PM, John DeNosky wrote: > GREAT find! Thanks! > > J > On Jan 17, 2012, at 12:50 PM, John Hopkins wrote: > > > heads up on a nice ocean acoustic site... > http://www.listentothedeep.com/acoustics/index.html > > > > jh > > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > John Hopkins, Researcher > > Centre for Creative Arts > > La Trobe University, Melbourne, Victoria 3086 > > http://neoscenes.net/ > > http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ > > chazhop at gmail.com; skype: chazhopkins > > AU Mobile - +61 (0)40 696 4610 > > US cell - +1 928 308 6466 > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net Tue Jan 17 23:33:14 2012 From: jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net (John Hopkins) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:33:14 -0700 Subject: [microsound] more listening In-Reply-To: <4F15BDB2.40005@art.pte.hu> References: <4F15BDB2.40005@art.pte.hu> Message-ID: <4F164B8A.6020905@tech-no-mad.net> while we're at it -- there are some real sonic gems (though most are in ram file format which I just don't understand why these folks are using that format, but...) in the Library of Congress collection, tho I'm sure most of you already know about perhaps? http://www.loc.gov/rr/record/onlinecollections.html cheers, jh +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Hopkins, Researcher Centre for Creative Arts La Trobe University, Melbourne, Victoria 3086 http://neoscenes.net/ http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ chazhop at gmail.com; skype: chazhopkins AU Mobile - +61 (0)40 696 4610 US cell - +1 928 308 6466 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From noisytoys at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 18 11:01:48 2012 From: noisytoys at ntlworld.com (Paul Rogers) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:01:48 +0000 Subject: [microsound] listen to the deep In-Reply-To: <4F15C305.7060509@tech-no-mad.net> References: <4F15BDB2.40005@art.pte.hu> <4F15C305.7060509@tech-no-mad.net> Message-ID: <74B3B652-7749-4E27-81B3-FEAC0E84C8E3@ntlworld.com> this is so useful for me right now!! perfect timing, thanks...... paul.......... .. . . . On 17 Jan 2012, at 18:50, John Hopkins wrote: > heads up on a nice ocean acoustic site... http://www.listentothedeep.com/acoustics/index.html > > jh > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > John Hopkins, Researcher > Centre for Creative Arts > La Trobe University, Melbourne, Victoria 3086 > http://neoscenes.net/ > http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ > chazhop at gmail.com; skype: chazhopkins > AU Mobile - +61 (0)40 696 4610 > US cell - +1 928 308 6466 > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From jdiedrick at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 00:01:57 2012 From: jdiedrick at gmail.com (Johann Diedrick) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:01:57 -0500 Subject: [microsound] online platforms for sound sharing and work collaboration Message-ID: <4F18F545.4080204@gmail.com> hey list- i've been spending a few days (weeks?) looking for an example of something, most likely in the form of a website, that provides users a platform to share sounds and field recording, while also providing some kind of software or interface to work collaboratively on a project, perhaps in real-time. does something like this exist? or does anything come close? all i've really been exposed to is freesound.org, which operates more like a sound archive and repository, with a comment, rating system and active forum that touch on these topics... are there similar sites that i might be overlooking? any insight on this, and maybe a discussion on what this might look like would be helpful. i'm imaging something in the browser that allows people to insert sound files, gives them basic editing capabilities, and the ability to publish and share their works/works-in-progress. i think this might be most appealing to the field recording/sound art community, but if there are any other groups that might see some benefit in this platform existing i'd love input. thanks for any help on this! its been milling around in my head for awhile and i wanted to see what others had to say. all the best. -j? From jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net Fri Jan 20 00:31:21 2012 From: jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net (John Hopkins) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:31:21 -0700 Subject: [microsound] online platforms for sound sharing and work collaboration In-Reply-To: <4F18F545.4080204@gmail.com> References: <4F18F545.4080204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F18FC29.4080806@tech-no-mad.net> hej Johann! i've been spending a few days (weeks?) looking for an example of something, most > likely in the form of a website, that provides users a platform to share sounds > and field recording, while also providing some kind of software or interface to > work collaboratively on a project, perhaps in real-time. does something like > this exist? or does anything come close? all i've really been exposed to is > freesound.org, which operates more like a sound archive and repository, with a > comment, rating system and active forum that touch on these topics... MAJOR project -- aporee::maps initiated/coded/designed by Udo Noll in Berlin... an excellent one if I say so myself (I am a participants with 800+ samples geo-located in the database - under "neoscenes" or here: http://aporee.org/maps/) there are more than 12K samples up there now... don't have a count of active participants, but there should be maybe 100 or so? http://aporee.org/maps/ That and Derek Holzer revived the older SoundTransit project now being hosted at Turbulence... http://turbulence.org/soundtransit/ cheers! jh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Hopkins Watching the Tao rather than watching the Dow! http://neoscenes.net/ http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From aliak77 at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 00:37:06 2012 From: aliak77 at gmail.com (Kath O'Donnell) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 16:37:06 +1100 Subject: [microsound] online platforms for sound sharing and work collaboration In-Reply-To: <4F18F545.4080204@gmail.com> References: <4F18F545.4080204@gmail.com> Message-ID: hi, not sure if you've heard of Upstage. it's usually used for collaborative online performance, but I think it might do what you mentioned below. http://upstage.org.nz [snip] On 20 January 2012 16:01, Johann Diedrick wrote: > hey list- > > i've been spending a few days (weeks?) looking for an example of > something, most likely in the form of a website, that provides users a > platform to share sounds and field recording, while also providing some > kind of software or interface to work collaboratively on a project, perhaps > in real-time. does something like this exist? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Seagulls body extracted while the water surface, cloud and the sky is eliminated. Oddest phenomenon in this investigation: Sounds similar to the water motility as well as sounds similar to dolphins chirping were generated from the video-image strip without any special effects!!! Soundcloud textual annotation is used to describe the different aspects of the hunt and identify each animal. A new method was deployed, each individual sonification of each strip was played (in counterpoint) in three different keys: A, C#, G# Remarkably the key differentials are audible and recognizable, testament to the prowess of the MethaSynth developer. This technique shall allow the composer to overlay a melody or a chord into the sonification of the video strips! Files (will make git soon): svn://svn.devzing.com/lossofgenerality/SardineRun I will upload the video segments and other sound files after 2am tomorrow. Dara -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdiedrick at gmail.com Sat Jan 21 23:28:09 2012 From: jdiedrick at gmail.com (Johann Diedrick) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:28:09 -0500 Subject: [microsound] online platforms for sound sharing and work collaboration In-Reply-To: References: <4F18F545.4080204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F1B9059.5070606@gmail.com> hey john and kath- thanks for the responses! john- that project is fantastic. it was very easy to dive into. it has a lot of the characteristics i'm thinking about. kath- upstage definitely touches on what I'm thinking about as well. google docs is another project that comes to mind that allows for real-time editing and remote collaboration on projects (usually text, but images and forms as well). another site that isn't sound-based but does something similar is . users can collaborate on a canvas-like surface in the browser on animated gif collages. doing something with sound might be a bit more difficult, given that it isn't inherently a "visual object" that can be manipulated in that kind of way (or maybe there is a visualization of sound that is?). i'm wondering if there could be some kind of space where you'd upload sound "objects" from wherever you are, and manipulate them with a small set of tools (trimming, splicing and mixing), in real time. for now, any more examples of online communities that allow you to share sounds with other people would be great to hear about! thanks in advance again. -j? From marlon.m.schumacher at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 11:33:34 2012 From: marlon.m.schumacher at gmail.com (Schumacher Marlon) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:33:34 -0500 Subject: [microsound] turntable (artefact) sounds Message-ID: Dear Microsounders, I am looking for turntable 'artefact' sounds, such as record-crackle, hiss, hum/buzzes, but also 'enacted sounds' like needle-drops, pluggin/unplugging etc. basically all kinds of sounds a turntable could produce without playing back a vinyl record. If someone knows of a resource or any other pointers that would be much appreciated. Thanks, Marlon From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 11:44:28 2012 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:44:28 +0100 Subject: [microsound] turntable (artefact) sounds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F1D8E6C.7040104@gmail.com> Hi, On 23/01/2012 17:33, Schumacher Marlon wrote: > Dear Microsounders, > > I am looking for turntable 'artefact' sounds, such as record-crackle, hiss, hum/buzzes, but also 'enacted sounds' like needle-drops, pluggin/unplugging etc. basically all kinds of sounds a turntable could produce without playing back a vinyl record. If someone knows of a resource or any other pointers that would be much appreciated. The VyNil LADSPA plugin [1] by Steve Harris comes to mind Also for samples freesound.org can be a valuable resource (e.g. [2] - untested. Keep in mind all sounds are Creative Commons) Finally. Generated white noise, clicks etc. can create similar effects Lorenzo [1] http://plugin.org.uk/ladspa-swh/docs/ladspa-swh.html#tth_sEc2.109 [2] http://www.freesound.org/people/NoiseCollector/packs/3963/ > > Thanks, > Marlon > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From i.m.klif at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 11:48:45 2012 From: i.m.klif at gmail.com (i.m.klif at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:48:45 +0100 Subject: [microsound] turntable (artefact) sounds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C1BA1F9-671F-4659-88C3-33D6E6ADAF72@gmail.com> Buy/get cheap/old turntable. Experiment. Record the result. :) On 23. 1. 2012., at 17:33, Schumacher Marlon wrote: > Dear Microsounders, > > I am looking for turntable 'artefact' sounds, such as record-crackle, hiss, hum/buzzes, but also 'enacted sounds' like needle-drops, pluggin/unplugging etc. basically all kinds of sounds a turntable could produce without playing back a vinyl record. If someone knows of a resource or any other pointers that would be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > Marlon > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From prolepsis at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 11:49:19 2012 From: prolepsis at gmail.com (Al Matthews) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:49:19 -0500 Subject: [microsound] turntable (artefact) sounds In-Reply-To: <4F1D8E6C.7040104@gmail.com> References: <4F1D8E6C.7040104@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, and thank you Lorenzo, for the links, The Institut Fuer Feinmotorik people also did some recognized work around "abstract" turntablism, or turntablism with-and-without vinyl records. http://dvde.substitut-fuer-feinmotorik.net/projects/turntablism e.g. -- Al Matthews On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Hi, > > > On 23/01/2012 17:33, Schumacher Marlon wrote: >> >> Dear Microsounders, >> >> I am looking for turntable 'artefact' sounds, such as record-crackle, >> hiss, hum/buzzes, but also 'enacted sounds' like needle-drops, >> pluggin/unplugging etc. basically all kinds of sounds a turntable could >> produce without playing back a vinyl record. If someone knows of a resource >> or any other pointers that would be much appreciated. > > > The VyNil LADSPA plugin [1] by Steve Harris comes to mind > > Also for samples freesound.org can be a valuable resource (e.g. [2] - > untested. Keep in mind all sounds are Creative Commons) > > Finally. Generated white noise, clicks etc. can create similar effects > > Lorenzo > > [1] http://plugin.org.uk/ladspa-swh/docs/ladspa-swh.html#tth_sEc2.109 > [2] http://www.freesound.org/people/NoiseCollector/packs/3963/ From prolepsis at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 11:49:19 2012 From: prolepsis at gmail.com (Al Matthews) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:49:19 -0500 Subject: [microsound] turntable (artefact) sounds In-Reply-To: <4F1D8E6C.7040104@gmail.com> References: <4F1D8E6C.7040104@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, and thank you Lorenzo, for the links, The Institut Fuer Feinmotorik people also did some recognized work around "abstract" turntablism, or turntablism with-and-without vinyl records. http://dvde.substitut-fuer-feinmotorik.net/projects/turntablism e.g. -- Al Matthews On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Hi, > > > On 23/01/2012 17:33, Schumacher Marlon wrote: >> >> Dear Microsounders, >> >> I am looking for turntable 'artefact' sounds, such as record-crackle, >> hiss, hum/buzzes, but also 'enacted sounds' like needle-drops, >> pluggin/unplugging etc. basically all kinds of sounds a turntable could >> produce without playing back a vinyl record. If someone knows of a resource >> or any other pointers that would be much appreciated. > > > The VyNil LADSPA plugin [1] by Steve Harris comes to mind > > Also for samples freesound.org can be a valuable resource (e.g. [2] - > untested. Keep in mind all sounds are Creative Commons) > > Finally. Generated white noise, clicks etc. can create similar effects > > Lorenzo > > [1] http://plugin.org.uk/ladspa-swh/docs/ladspa-swh.html#tth_sEc2.109 > [2] http://www.freesound.org/people/NoiseCollector/packs/3963/ From noisytoys at ntlworld.com Mon Jan 23 11:57:07 2012 From: noisytoys at ntlworld.com (Paul Rogers) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:57:07 +0000 Subject: [microsound] turntable (artefact) sounds In-Reply-To: <3C1BA1F9-671F-4659-88C3-33D6E6ADAF72@gmail.com> References: <3C1BA1F9-671F-4659-88C3-33D6E6ADAF72@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Buy/get cheap/old turntable. > Experiment. > Record the result. > :) It's much more creatively satisfying that way too. Paul? > > On 23. 1. 2012., at 17:33, Schumacher Marlon wrote: > >> Dear Microsounders, >> >> I am looking for turntable 'artefact' sounds, such as record-crackle, hiss, hum/buzzes, but also 'enacted sounds' like needle-drops, pluggin/unplugging etc. basically all kinds of sounds a turntable could produce without playing back a vinyl record. If someone knows of a resource or any other pointers that would be much appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Marlon >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From dara1339 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 23 13:07:14 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:07:14 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Tree Cross Section Message-ID: Hello http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/tree-cross-section Earlier works by others: http://www.arroyorain.com/2012/01/19/link-music-tree-ring-cross-section-played-through-piano/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 13:12:50 2012 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:12:50 +0100 Subject: [microsound] turntable (artefact) sounds In-Reply-To: References: <3C1BA1F9-671F-4659-88C3-33D6E6ADAF72@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F1DA322.40403@gmail.com> On 23/01/2012 17:57, Paul Rogers wrote: > > >> Buy/get cheap/old turntable. >> Experiment. >> Record the result. >> :) > It's much more Than? > creatively satisfying that way too. > > Paul? > > >> >> On 23. 1. 2012., at 17:33, Schumacher Marlon wrote: >> >>> Dear Microsounders, >>> >>> I am looking for turntable 'artefact' sounds, such as record-crackle, hiss, hum/buzzes, but also 'enacted sounds' like needle-drops, pluggin/unplugging etc. basically all kinds of sounds a turntable could produce without playing back a vinyl record. If someone knows of a resource or any other pointers that would be much appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Marlon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From noisytoys at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 24 02:05:20 2012 From: noisytoys at ntlworld.com (Paul Rogers) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:05:20 +0000 Subject: [microsound] turntable (artefact) sounds In-Reply-To: <4F1DA322.40403@gmail.com> References: <3C1BA1F9-671F-4659-88C3-33D6E6ADAF72@gmail.com> <4F1DA322.40403@gmail.com> Message-ID: >>> Buy/get cheap/old turntable. >>> Experiment. >>> Record the result. >>> :) >> It's much more > > Than? Creatively satisfying - than -Downloading someone else's recordings of said material. To elaborate, it's my opinion that the process of making, recording and producing your own sound materials, even if similar materials already exist, enables a greater understanding, appreciation and relationship to the resulting recordings. That's not to say that sometimes it is also appropriate to download, and may well be in this particular situation, however I would recommend making your own If possible. Paul ? > >> creatively satisfying that way too. >> >> Paul? >> >> From lorenzofsutton at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 04:26:19 2012 From: lorenzofsutton at gmail.com (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:26:19 +0100 Subject: [microsound] turntable (artefact) sounds In-Reply-To: References: <3C1BA1F9-671F-4659-88C3-33D6E6ADAF72@gmail.com> <4F1DA322.40403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F1E793B.5090501@gmail.com> On 24/01/2012 08:05, Paul Rogers wrote: > >>>> Buy/get cheap/old turntable. >>>> Experiment. >>>> Record the result. >>>> :) >>> It's much more >> >> Than? > > Creatively satisfying - than -Downloading someone else's recordings of said material. > > To elaborate, it's my opinion that the process of making, recording and producing your own sound materials, even if similar materials already exist, enables a greater understanding, appreciation and relationship to the resulting recordings. > That's not to say that sometimes it is also appropriate to download, and may well be in this particular situation, however I would recommend making your own If possible. I can agree to the extent that download is simply download and use as is... If you start using the downloaded material creatively well.. I think you are being creative too. :) Lorenzo. > > Paul ? > >> >>> creatively satisfying that way too. >>> >>> Paul? >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From noisytoys at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 24 07:18:47 2012 From: noisytoys at ntlworld.com (PAUL ROGERS) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:18:47 +0000 Subject: [microsound] turntable (artefact) sounds In-Reply-To: <4F1E793B.5090501@gmail.com> References: <3C1BA1F9-671F-4659-88C3-33D6E6ADAF72@gmail.com> <4F1DA322.40403@gmail.com> <4F1E793B.5090501@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > If you start using the downloaded material creatively well.. I think you > are being creative too. :) > > Agreed :-) Paul.... . . . . > Lorenzo. > > > >> Paul ? >> >> >>> creatively satisfying that way too. >>>> >>>> Paul? >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reusjc at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 13:47:48 2012 From: reusjc at gmail.com (Jonathan Reus) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:47:48 +0100 Subject: [microsound] Week-long workshop/residency program at STEIM in Amsterdam Message-ID: Dear all, Just wanted to pass this along. STEIM is doing a new week-long workshop/residency program in early April for electronic musicians working with new instrumental practices. See more info here: http://www.steim.org/steim/events.php?event=492 best Jon -- .......==__--~=-.---.--===-``````---_____.......,_ Jonathan Reus www.steim.org reusjc at gmail.com While the mind makes plans the body makes a story -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marlon.m.schumacher at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 16:25:47 2012 From: marlon.m.schumacher at gmail.com (Schumacher Marlon) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:25:47 -0500 Subject: [microsound] turntable (artefact) sounds In-Reply-To: References: <3C1BA1F9-671F-4659-88C3-33D6E6ADAF72@gmail.com> <4F1DA322.40403@gmail.com> <4F1E793B.5090501@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for the links and replies! I am aware of IFFM (and think it's a great project). I am trying to find samples though, and if possible with 'unprepared' turntables. Yes, I do have turntables of my own to experiment with (of course that would be ideal), but I lack time these days... or ideas ;-) PS Listening to interesting downloaded samples can also provide inspiration for own explorations... Marlon On 2012-01-24, at 07:18 , Paul Rogers wrote: > If you start using the downloaded material creatively well.. I think you are being creative too. :) > > > Agreed :-) > > Paul.... . . . . > > > Lorenzo. > > > > Paul ? > > > creatively satisfying that way too. > > Paul? > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From dara1339 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 26 23:33:11 2012 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:33:11 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Botanical Chants: L-Sys Chants Message-ID: Hello It took over 18 months but finally got a working version: http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/botanical-chants 3D L-Sys samples generated and their image in some spatial configuration sonified. 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