From shinkei at koyuki-sound.org Wed Oct 5 20:57:20 2011 From: shinkei at koyuki-sound.org (shinkei) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 02:57:20 +0200 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs Message-ID: <105B245B-79DA-4EFB-910C-8E5C5E29F1DB@koyuki-sound.org> we'll miss him From michael_mantra at yahoo.com Wed Oct 5 21:12:24 2011 From: michael_mantra at yahoo.com (Michael Mantra) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <105B245B-79DA-4EFB-910C-8E5C5E29F1DB@koyuki-sound.org> Message-ID: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> no we won't... From michael_mantra at yahoo.com Wed Oct 5 21:12:24 2011 From: michael_mantra at yahoo.com (Michael Mantra) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <105B245B-79DA-4EFB-910C-8E5C5E29F1DB@koyuki-sound.org> Message-ID: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> no we won't... From drohnwerks at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 21:14:53 2011 From: drohnwerks at gmail.com (James Lemin) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 02:14:53 +0100 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> Some of us might... On 06/10/2011 02:12, Michael Mantra wrote: > no we won't... > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From imagimuse at orange.fr Wed Oct 5 21:35:01 2011 From: imagimuse at orange.fr (imagimuse) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 03:35:01 +0200 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <3735CC44-CD0F-42D7-A26E-8CCA09BB77AE@orange.fr> I stop my mac for one day good night! Le 6 oct. 2011 ? 03:14, James Lemin a ?crit : > > Some of us might... > > On 06/10/2011 02:12, Michael Mantra wrote: >> no we won't... >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From cntrl.alt.del at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 22:23:56 2011 From: cntrl.alt.del at gmail.com (norhal el halwagy) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:23:56 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> just when occupy wall street was beginning to gain some media traction, this stupid bullshit comes along and hijacks the news cycles. +1 on what michael said... On 10/5/11 9:14 PM, James Lemin wrote: > > Some of us might... > > On 06/10/2011 02:12, Michael Mantra wrote: >> no we won't... >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From david at yugen-art.org Wed Oct 5 22:32:46 2011 From: david at yugen-art.org (yugen) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 04:32:46 +0200 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> mr. Noral, please show some respect for a dead individual and for other people feelings. no need to insult. > just when occupy wall street was beginning to gain some media > traction, this stupid bullshit comes along and hijacks the news > cycles. +1 on what michael said... > > On 10/5/11 9:14 PM, James Lemin wrote: >> >> Some of us might... >> >> On 06/10/2011 02:12, Michael Mantra wrote: >>> no we won't... >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > http://www.yugen-art.org twitter : @YugenArt facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 22:33:31 2011 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:33:31 -0700 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:23 PM, norhal el halwagy wrote: > just when occupy wall street was beginning to gain some media traction, this > stupid bullshit comes along and hijacks the news cycles. +1 on what michael > said... > That's the excuse they were waiting for. and it is perfect to praise a businessman who was not afraid to monopolize the computer/software market in his time... one of the most important areas in today's economy.. damn... From cntrl.alt.del at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 22:43:47 2011 From: cntrl.alt.del at gmail.com (norhal el halwagy) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:43:47 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> Message-ID: <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> i wasn't insulting anything except for the race to the bottom that is the media coverage. all i'm saying is that there are more important things in the world going on right now. fred shuttlesworth died today. that got wiped off the news. a watered down UN resolution attempting to get the syrian government to maybe kill less people in a day was vetoed. huh? and an entire movement taking a stand against the very corporations that are responsible for an entire lost generation is being ignored because of this one event. his death is sad, and condolences to his family, but i'm sorry if i don't feel that the world stopped dead today. and i apologize to you if you were/are offended by what i said. this was certainly not my intention. On 10/5/11 10:32 PM, yugen wrote: > mr. Noral, > > please show some respect for a dead individual and for other people > feelings. no need to insult. > > >> just when occupy wall street was beginning to gain some media >> traction, this stupid bullshit comes along and hijacks the news >> cycles. +1 on what michael said... >> >> On 10/5/11 9:14 PM, James Lemin wrote: >>> >>> Some of us might... >>> >>> On 06/10/2011 02:12, Michael Mantra wrote: >>>> no we won't... >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> microsound mailing list >>>> microsound at microsound.org >>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > > / > / > / > /http://www.yugen-art.org/ > /twitter : @YugenArt/ > /facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt/ > / > / > / > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beatthefinalboss at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 22:53:07 2011 From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 22:53:07 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> Message-ID: What does any of this have to do with microsound, anyway? Is it just because many sound artists seem to use macbooks? Because I have used an all linux setup for quite a while. Despite this, I wish to apologize on behalf of others who are being jerks about his death in general, saying things along the lines of "Good riddance". Whether you like him and his company or not, you can't argue that he was not highly influential, in many ways, to the world of technology. Anyways, as I said, this has little to nothing to do with the topic of this mailing list, and there are other places to talk/argue about this, if you are so inclined to do so. --Stelpa On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:43 PM, norhal el halwagy wrote: > i wasn't insulting anything except for the race to the bottom that is the > media coverage. all i'm saying is that there are more important things in > the world going on right now. fred shuttlesworth died today. that got wiped > off the news. a watered down UN resolution attempting to get the syrian > government to maybe kill less people in a day was vetoed. huh? and an entire > movement taking a stand against the very corporations that are responsible > for an entire lost generation is being ignored because of this one event. > his death is sad, and condolences to his family, but i'm sorry if i don't > feel that the world stopped dead today. > > and i apologize to you if you were/are offended by what i said. this was > certainly not my intention. > > > > > On 10/5/11 10:32 PM, yugen wrote: > > mr. Noral, > > please show some respect for a dead individual and for other people > feelings. no need to insult. > > > just when occupy wall street was beginning to gain some media traction, > this stupid bullshit comes along and hijacks the news cycles. +1 on what > michael said... > > On 10/5/11 9:14 PM, James Lemin wrote: > > > Some of us might... > > > On 06/10/2011 02:12, Michael Mantra wrote: > > no we won't... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > * > http://www.yugen-art.org > twitter : @YugenArt > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing listmicrosound at microsound.orghttp://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at yugen-art.org Wed Oct 5 23:03:26 2011 From: david at yugen-art.org (yugen) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 05:03:26 +0200 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <04E14870-3FB8-4FFA-B204-148D88BC58E5@yugen-art.org> ok, now your point is much more clear and i understand what you mean, we know how media work. i think today anyway you have some powerful instruments to go against them, thanks to social networks and blogs and the internet, which was impossible for my generation. most of the young people got news from facebook and the internet, not tv or newspaper. i do not think world stopped today for his death either. he was a businessman? sure. i do not like at all apple products status symbol, i only got a mac for the first time in my 40s, but i think we cannot deny that he was a genius of our time. he was a millionaire too. yes. d. > i wasn't insulting anything except for the race to the bottom that > is the media coverage. all i'm saying is that there are more > important things in the world going on right now. fred shuttlesworth > died today. that got wiped off the news. a watered down UN > resolution attempting to get the syrian government to maybe kill > less people in a day was vetoed. huh? and an entire movement taking > a stand against the very corporations that are responsible for an > entire lost generation is being ignored because of this one event. > his death is sad, and condolences to his family, but i'm sorry if i > don't feel that the world stopped dead today. > > and i apologize to you if you were/are offended by what i said. this > was certainly not my intention. > > > http://www.yugen-art.org twitter : @YugenArt facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at yugen-art.org Wed Oct 5 23:13:12 2011 From: david at yugen-art.org (yugen) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 05:13:12 +0200 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <208F706A-4B5F-4C7F-B41B-1F1F7EFC009C@yugen-art.org> well, i think the microsound movement started on macs, with the MAX and other software. i think every artist on the microsound.org page was using a mac at the time. today things maybe different > What does any of this have to do with microsound, anyway? Is it just > because many sound artists seem to use macbooks? Because I have used > an all linux setup for quite a while. http://www.yugen-art.org twitter : @YugenArt facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chrisgregory.com Wed Oct 5 23:14:00 2011 From: chris at chrisgregory.com (Chris Gregory) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:14:00 +1100 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <04E14870-3FB8-4FFA-B204-148D88BC58E5@yugen-art.org> References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> <04E14870-3FB8-4FFA-B204-148D88BC58E5@yugen-art.org> Message-ID: Many would argue (Karl Marx to start with) that technological advances drive social change. In that sense, Steve Jobs changed the world in a much more significant way than any policy maker ever has (or could). You may say this is a matter of priorities; I think it is too. Technological advances are not inevitable...new ideas aren't just floating around in the aether waiting for someone to notice them. A world without Steve Jobs would have been very different, and not in a good way. As musicians this is doubly true. Chris On 6 October 2011 14:03, yugen wrote: > > ok, now your point is much more clear and i understand what you mean, we > know how media work. i think today anyway you have some powerful instruments > to go against them, thanks to social networks and blogs and the internet, > which was impossible for my generation. most of the young people got news > from facebook and the internet, not tv or newspaper. > i do not think world stopped today for his death either. he was a > businessman? sure. i do not like at all apple products status symbol, i only > got a mac for the first time in my 40s, but i think we cannot deny that he > was a genius of our time. he was a millionaire too. yes. > d. > > > i wasn't insulting anything except for the race to the bottom that is the > media coverage. all i'm saying is that there are more important things in > the world going on right now. fred shuttlesworth died today. that got wiped > off the news. a watered down UN resolution attempting to get the syrian > government to maybe kill less people in a day was vetoed. huh? and an entire > movement taking a stand against the very corporations that are responsible > for an entire lost generation is being ignored because of this one event. > his death is sad, and condolences to his family, but i'm sorry if i don't > feel that the world stopped dead today. > > and i apologize to you if you were/are offended by what i said. this was > certainly not my intention. > > > > > http://www.yugen-art.org > twitter : @YugenArt > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -- Chris Gregory --- chris at chrisgregory.com From jj at joeljustice.com Wed Oct 5 23:13:40 2011 From: jj at joeljustice.com (Joel Justice) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:13:40 -0700 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <150AFE41-8DD4-4CF3-8FFB-DCAED33630FE@joeljustice.com> Yes. Really rude of him to go and die when so many more important things are happening. Narcissist. On Oct 5, 2011, at 7:23 PM, norhal el halwagy wrote: > just when occupy wall street was beginning to gain some media traction, this stupid bullshit comes along and hijacks the news cycles. +1 on what michael said... > > On 10/5/11 9:14 PM, James Lemin wrote: >> >> Some of us might... >> >> On 06/10/2011 02:12, Michael Mantra wrote: >>> no we won't... >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From beatthefinalboss at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 23:53:54 2011 From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 23:53:54 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <208F706A-4B5F-4C7F-B41B-1F1F7EFC009C@yugen-art.org> References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> <208F706A-4B5F-4C7F-B41B-1F1F7EFC009C@yugen-art.org> Message-ID: Granular Synthesis and other Microsound techniques are quite a bit older than the Macintosh computer :P Though I do see your point, Apple was/is an important part of Microsound history, but still, Steve Jobs as a person had probably never even heard of the Microsound movement, which is what this list is about. Oh well, I am not sure which side I am on now, hehe :S I guess it's not really important whether this is or isn't relevant to this mailing list, it's already been posted anyways, what's done is done. RIP Steve! --Stelpa On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:13 PM, yugen wrote: > > well, i think the microsound movement started on macs, with the MAX and > other software. i think every artist on the microsound.org page was using > a mac at the time. today things maybe different > > > What does any of this have to do with microsound, anyway? Is it just > because many sound artists seem to use macbooks? Because I have used an all > linux setup for quite a while. > > > * > http://www.yugen-art.org > twitter : @YugenArt > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > * > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From michael_mantra at yahoo.com Thu Oct 6 00:22:15 2011 From: michael_mantra at yahoo.com (Michael Mantra) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hey You All, Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking. Michael From michael_mantra at yahoo.com Thu Oct 6 00:22:15 2011 From: michael_mantra at yahoo.com (Michael Mantra) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hey You All, Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking. Michael From beatthefinalboss at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 00:27:22 2011 From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:27:22 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> <208F706A-4B5F-4C7F-B41B-1F1F7EFC009C@yugen-art.org> Message-ID: You have a point, there :) But, quoting shakespeare: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" :P --Stelpa On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM, yugen wrote: > > > Granular Synthesis and other Microsound techniques are quite a bit older > than the Macintosh computer :P > > > that's surely right. > but the term microsound was coined by Curtis Roads in his 2001 book, in > full-on apple era ;-) > > ps : i think.......... > > d. > > * > http://www.yugen-art.org > twitter : @YugenArt > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > * > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cntrl.alt.del at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 00:29:49 2011 From: cntrl.alt.del at gmail.com (norhal el halwagy) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:29:49 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E8D2EBD.4060604@gmail.com> and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back into the background for me. On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > Hey You All, > > Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking. > > > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From beatthefinalboss at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 00:38:54 2011 From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:38:54 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8D2EBD.4060604@gmail.com> References: <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D2EBD.4060604@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's fine, lurking is an art form, I would know ;) --Stelpa On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:29 AM, norhal el halwagy wrote: > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted twice. > i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back into > the background for me. > > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > >> Hey You All, >> >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge >> fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. >> The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing >> skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve >> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a >> One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I >> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need >> us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this >> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since >> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And >> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they >> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and >> the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to >> lurking. >> >> >> >> Michael >> ______________________________**_________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at yugen-art.org Thu Oct 6 00:44:54 2011 From: david at yugen-art.org (yugen) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:44:54 +0200 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8D2EBD.4060604@gmail.com> References: <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D2EBD.4060604@gmail.com> Message-ID: hey guys, no problem about that. i have already sorted out everything with Norhal in private. i just can suggest that you motivate your thinking, as you both did in your second emails. that may help better understand your point and enrich the discussion too. ;-) take care, david. > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted > twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write > them. back into the background for me. > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >> Hey You All, >> >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be >> a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer >> rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had >> some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad >> marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics >> whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC >> philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been >> using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did >> not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any >> more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it >> to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user >> group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the >> camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly >> with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and >> unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get >> off my soap box and go back to lurking. >> >> >> >> Michael >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > http://www.yugen-art.org twitter : @YugenArt facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lauramello at gmx.at Thu Oct 6 05:42:51 2011 From: lauramello at gmx.at (Laura Mello) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:42:51 +0200 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Hi peoples, A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce Iphones. So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who dedicated his life to fairness. Best Laura -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:45:09 -0400 Von: microsound-request at or8.net An: microsound at or8.net Betreff: microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 Send microsound mailing list submissions to microsound at or8.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to microsound-request at or8.net You can reach the person managing the list at microsound-owner at or8.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of microsound digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Michael Mantra) 2. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) 3. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (norhal el halwagy) 4. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) 5. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (yugen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Mantra To: microsound at or8.net, microsound at microsound.org Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs Message-ID: <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic at web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey You All, Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking. Michael ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:27:22 -0400 From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com To: microsound at microsound.org Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You have a point, there :) But, quoting shakespeare: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" :P --Stelpa On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM, yugen wrote: > > > Granular Synthesis and other Microsound techniques are quite a bit older > than the Macintosh computer :P > > > that's surely right. > but the term microsound was coined by Curtis Roads in his 2001 book, in > full-on apple era ;-) > > ps : i think.......... > > d. > > * > http://www.yugen-art.org > twitter : @YugenArt > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > * > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:29:49 -0400 From: norhal el halwagy To: microsound at microsound.org Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs Message-ID: <4E8D2EBD.4060604 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back into the background for me. On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > Hey You All, > > Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking. > > > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:38:54 -0400 From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com To: microsound at microsound.org Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's fine, lurking is an art form, I would know ;) --Stelpa On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:29 AM, norhal el halwagy wrote: > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted twice. > i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back into > the background for me. > > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > >> Hey You All, >> >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge >> fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. >> The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing >> skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve >> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a >> One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I >> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need >> us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this >> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since >> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And >> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they >> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and >> the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to >> lurking. >> >> >> >> Michael >> ______________________________**_________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:44:54 +0200 From: yugen To: microsound at microsound.org Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" hey guys, no problem about that. i have already sorted out everything with Norhal in private. i just can suggest that you motivate your thinking, as you both did in your second emails. that may help better understand your point and enrich the discussion too. ;-) take care, david. > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted > twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write > them. back into the background for me. > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >> Hey You All, >> >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be >> a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer >> rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had >> some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad >> marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics >> whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC >> philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been >> using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did >> not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any >> more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it >> to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user >> group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the >> camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly >> with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and >> unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get >> off my soap box and go back to lurking. >> >> >> >> Michael >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > http://www.yugen-art.org twitter : @YugenArt facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound at microsound.org http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound End of microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 ***************************************** -- "The three main intellectual ages of man are: 0 - 5 years age of WHY 5 - 10 years age of WHY NOT 10 - 75 years age of BECAUSE" DEBONO, Edward, The dog exercising machine, A study of children as inventors, Harmondsworth [u.a.] : Penguin Books, 1971. - 125 S. . - 0-14-080616-4. - (Penguin education) From carlo.ratm at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 05:45:33 2011 From: carlo.ratm at gmail.com (Carlo Ascani) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:45:33 +0200 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: 2011/10/6 Laura Mello : > > So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who dedicated his life to fairness. > +1 > Best > Laura > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:45:09 -0400 > Von: microsound-request at or8.net > An: microsound at or8.net > Betreff: microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 > > Send microsound mailing list submissions to > ? ? ? ?microsound at or8.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ? ? ? ?http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ? ? ? ?microsound-request at or8.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ? ? ? ?microsound-owner at or8.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of microsound digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Michael Mantra) > ? 2. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) > ? 3. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (norhal el halwagy) > ? 4. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) > ? 5. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (yugen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Mantra > To: microsound at or8.net, microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ?<1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic at web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hey You All, > > ? ? ?Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. ?I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. ?The cancer rotted his brain. ?The Steve we knew died years ago. ?The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. ? And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. ?Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. ?I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. ?That way you had best of both worlds. ?I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. ?I was an FCP Evangelist. ?But then a couple years ago he told the FCP ?community that he did not need us. ?And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. ?And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. ?Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. ?And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > ?me what he was really like. ?His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. ?I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking. > > > > Michael > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:27:22 -0400 > From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > You have a point, there :) > > But, quoting shakespeare: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" :P > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM, yugen wrote: > >> >> >> Granular Synthesis and other Microsound techniques are quite a bit older >> than the Macintosh computer :P >> >> >> that's surely right. >> but the term microsound was coined by Curtis Roads in his 2001 book, in >> full-on apple era ?;-) >> >> ps : i think.......... >> >> d. >> >> ? * >> http://www.yugen-art.org >> twitter : @YugenArt >> facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt >> * >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:29:49 -0400 > From: norhal el halwagy > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: <4E8D2EBD.4060604 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted > twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write > them. back into the background for me. > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >> Hey You All, >> >> ? ? ? ?Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. ?I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. ?The cancer rotted his brain. ?The Steve we knew died years ago. ?The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. ? And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. ?Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. ?I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. ?That way you had best of both worlds. ?I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. ?I was an FCP Evangelist. ?But then a couple years ago he told the FCP ?community that he did not need us. ?And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. ?And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. ?Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. ?And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >> ? me what he was really like. ?His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. ?I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking. >> >> >> >> Michael >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:38:54 -0400 > From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It's fine, lurking is an art form, I would know ;) > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:29 AM, norhal el halwagy > wrote: > >> and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted twice. >> i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back into >> the background for me. >> >> >> >> >> On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >> >>> Hey You All, >>> >>> ? ? ? Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. ?I used to be a huge >>> fan of The Steve until the last few years. ?The cancer rotted his brain. >>> ?The Steve we knew died years ago. ?The Steve had some remarkable marketing >>> skills. ? And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. ?Steve >>> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. ?I always advocated to my students a >>> One Mac and One PC philosophy. ?That way you had best of both worlds. ?I >>> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. ?I was an FCP Evangelist. >>> ?But then a couple years ago he told the FCP ?community that he did not need >>> us. ?And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. ?And then this >>> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. ?Since >>> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. ?And >>> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they >>> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >>> ?me what he was really like. ?His behavior was rude and unprofessional and >>> the cancer rotted him inside out. ?I will get off my soap box and go back to >>> lurking. >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound >>> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:44:54 +0200 > From: yugen > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; > ? ? ? ?DelSp="yes" > > hey guys, no problem about that. > i have already sorted out everything with Norhal in private. i just > can suggest that you motivate your thinking, as you both did in your > second emails. > that may help better understand your point and enrich the discussion > too. ?;-) > > take care, > > david. > > >> and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted >> twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write >> them. back into the background for me. >> >> >> >> On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >>> Hey You All, >>> >>> ? ? ? Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. ?I used to be >>> a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. ?The cancer >>> rotted his brain. ?The Steve we knew died years ago. ?The Steve had >>> some remarkable marketing skills. ? And he made some remarkably bad >>> marketing moves as well. ?Steve Wozniak was the true electronics >>> whiz. ?I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC >>> philosophy. ?That way you had best of both worlds. ?I have been >>> using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. ?I was an FCP Evangelist. >>> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP ?community that he did >>> not need us. ?And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any >>> more. ?And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it >>> to the FCP user groups. ?Since the start of this year our FCP user >>> group is going Avid or with Adobe. ?And the straw that broke the >>> camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly >>> with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >>> ?me what he was really like. ?His behavior was rude and >>> unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. ?I will get >>> off my soap box and go back to lurking. >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > > http://www.yugen-art.org > twitter : @YugenArt > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > End of microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 > ***************************************** > > -- > "The three main intellectual ages of man are: > 0 - 5 ? ? years age of WHY > 5 - 10 ? years age of WHY NOT > 10 - 75 ?years age of BECAUSE" > > DEBONO, Edward, The dog exercising machine, A study of children as inventors, Harmondsworth > [u.a.] : Penguin Books, 1971. - 125 S. . - 0-14-080616-4. - (Penguin education) > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- Carlo Ascani | www.carloratm.org skype: carloratm cell: 3202915799 From lsutton at libero.it Thu Oct 6 06:44:28 2011 From: lsutton at libero.it (Lorenzo Sutton) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:44:28 +0200 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4E8D868C.9030302@libero.it> On 06/10/2011 11:42, Laura Mello wrote: > Hi peoples, > > A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: > > http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ > > Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: Here in English: http://sacom.hk/archives/898 Lorenzo. > "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce Iphones. > > So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who dedicated his life to fairness. > > Best > Laura > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:45:09 -0400 > Von: microsound-request at or8.net > An: microsound at or8.net > Betreff: microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 > > Send microsound mailing list submissions to > microsound at or8.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > microsound-request at or8.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > microsound-owner at or8.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of microsound digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Michael Mantra) > 2. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) > 3. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (norhal el halwagy) > 4. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) > 5. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (yugen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Mantra > To: microsound at or8.net, microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic at web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hey You All, > > Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking. > > > > Michael > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:27:22 -0400 > From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > You have a point, there :) > > But, quoting shakespeare: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" :P > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM, yugen wrote: > >> >> >> Granular Synthesis and other Microsound techniques are quite a bit older >> than the Macintosh computer :P >> >> >> that's surely right. >> but the term microsound was coined by Curtis Roads in his 2001 book, in >> full-on apple era ;-) >> >> ps : i think.......... >> >> d. >> >> * >> http://www.yugen-art.org >> twitter : @YugenArt >> facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt >> * >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:29:49 -0400 > From: norhal el halwagy > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID:<4E8D2EBD.4060604 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted > twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write > them. back into the background for me. > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >> Hey You All, >> >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking. >> >> >> >> Michael >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:38:54 -0400 > From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It's fine, lurking is an art form, I would know ;) > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:29 AM, norhal el halwagy > wrote: > >> and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted twice. >> i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back into >> the background for me. >> >> >> >> >> On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >> >>> Hey You All, >>> >>> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge >>> fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. >>> The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing >>> skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve >>> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a >>> One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I >>> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. >>> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need >>> us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this >>> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since >>> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And >>> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they >>> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >>> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and >>> the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to >>> lurking. >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound >>> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:44:54 +0200 > From: yugen > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > > hey guys, no problem about that. > i have already sorted out everything with Norhal in private. i just > can suggest that you motivate your thinking, as you both did in your > second emails. > that may help better understand your point and enrich the discussion > too. ;-) > > take care, > > david. > > >> and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted >> twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write >> them. back into the background for me. >> >> >> >> On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >>> Hey You All, >>> >>> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be >>> a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer >>> rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had >>> some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad >>> marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics >>> whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC >>> philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been >>> using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. >>> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did >>> not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any >>> more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it >>> to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user >>> group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the >>> camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly >>> with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >>> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and >>> unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get >>> off my soap box and go back to lurking. >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > > http://www.yugen-art.org > twitter : @YugenArt > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > End of microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 > ***************************************** > From chris at chrisgregory.com Thu Oct 6 07:20:04 2011 From: chris at chrisgregory.com (Chris Gregory) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 22:20:04 +1100 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8D868C.9030302@libero.it> References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> <4E8D868C.9030302@libero.it> Message-ID: Lazy, mean-spirited, self-righteous, vapid, narcissistic moralising. Bloated, self-important hypocrisy. If I wasn't in a good mood I'd tell you what I really think. Chris On 6 October 2011 21:44, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 06/10/2011 11:42, Laura Mello wrote: >> >> Hi peoples, >> >> A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: >> >> http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ >> >> Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: > > Here in English: > http://sacom.hk/archives/898 > > Lorenzo. > >> "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce Iphones. >> >> So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who >> dedicated his life to fairness. >> >> Best >> Laura >> >> -------- Original-Nachricht -------- >> Datum: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:45:09 -0400 >> Von: microsound-request at or8.net >> An: microsound at or8.net >> Betreff: microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 >> >> Send microsound mailing list submissions to >> ? ? ? ?microsound at or8.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> ? ? ? ?http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> ? ? ? ?microsound-request at or8.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ? ? ? ?microsound-owner at or8.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of microsound digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> ? ?1. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Michael Mantra) >> ? ?2. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) >> ? ?3. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (norhal el halwagy) >> ? ?4. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) >> ? ?5. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (yugen) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Michael Mantra >> To: microsound at or8.net, microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID: >> ? ? ? ?<1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic at web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> >> Hey You All, >> >> ? ? ? Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. ?I used to be a huge >> fan of The Steve until the last few years. ?The cancer rotted his brain. >> ?The Steve we knew died years ago. ?The Steve had some remarkable marketing >> skills. ? And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. ?Steve >> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. ?I always advocated to my students a >> One Mac and One PC philosophy. ?That way you had best of both worlds. ?I >> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. ?I was an FCP Evangelist. >> ?But then a couple years ago he told the FCP ?community that he did not need >> us. ?And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. ?And then this >> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. ?Since >> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. ?And >> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they >> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >> ?me what he was really like. ?His behavior was rude and unprofessional and >> the cancer rotted him inside out. ?I will get off my soap box and go back to >> lurking. >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:27:22 -0400 >> From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID: >> >> ? >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> You have a point, there :) >> >> But, quoting shakespeare: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" >> :P >> >> --Stelpa >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM, yugen ?wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Granular Synthesis and other Microsound techniques are quite a bit older >>> than the Macintosh computer :P >>> >>> >>> that's surely right. >>> but the term microsound was coined by Curtis Roads in his 2001 book, in >>> full-on apple era ?;-) >>> >>> ps : i think.......... >>> >>> d. >>> >>> ? * >>> http://www.yugen-art.org >>> twitter : @YugenArt >>> facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt >>> * >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:29:49 -0400 >> From: norhal el halwagy >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID:<4E8D2EBD.4060604 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted >> twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write >> them. back into the background for me. >> >> >> >> On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >>> >>> Hey You All, >>> >>> ? ? ? ?Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. ?I used to be a >>> huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. ?The cancer rotted his >>> brain. ?The Steve we knew died years ago. ?The Steve had some remarkable >>> marketing skills. ? And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. >>> ?Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. ?I always advocated to my >>> students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. ?That way you had best of both >>> worlds. ?I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. ?I was an FCP >>> Evangelist. ?But then a couple years ago he told the FCP ?community that he >>> did not need us. ?And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. >>> ?And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user >>> groups. ?Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or >>> with Adobe. ?And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who >>> claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they >>> told >>> ? me what he was really like. ?His behavior was rude and unprofessional >>> and the cancer rotted him inside out. ?I will get off my soap box and go >>> back to lurking. >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:38:54 -0400 >> From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID: >> >> ? >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> It's fine, lurking is an art form, I would know ;) >> >> --Stelpa >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:29 AM, norhal el halwagy >> wrote: >> >>> and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted >>> twice. >>> i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back >>> into >>> the background for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >>> >>>> Hey You All, >>>> >>>> ? ? ? Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. ?I used to be a >>>> huge >>>> fan of The Steve until the last few years. ?The cancer rotted his brain. >>>> ?The Steve we knew died years ago. ?The Steve had some remarkable >>>> marketing >>>> skills. ? And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. >>>> ?Steve >>>> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. ?I always advocated to my >>>> students a >>>> One Mac and One PC philosophy. ?That way you had best of both worlds. ?I >>>> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. ?I was an FCP >>>> Evangelist. >>>> ?But then a couple years ago he told the FCP ?community that he did not >>>> need >>>> us. ?And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. ?And then >>>> this >>>> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. >>>> ?Since >>>> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. >>>> ?And >>>> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they >>>> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >>>> ?me what he was really like. ?His behavior was rude and unprofessional >>>> and >>>> the cancer rotted him inside out. ?I will get off my soap box and go >>>> back to >>>> lurking. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> microsound mailing list >>>> microsound at microsound.org >>>> >>>> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> >>> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:44:54 +0200 >> From: yugen >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; >> ? ? ? ?DelSp="yes" >> >> hey guys, no problem about that. >> i have already sorted out everything with Norhal in private. i just >> can suggest that you motivate your thinking, as you both did in your >> second emails. >> that may help better understand your point and enrich the discussion >> too. ?;-) >> >> take care, >> >> david. >> >> >>> and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted >>> twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write >>> them. back into the background for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey You All, >>>> >>>> ? ? ? Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. ?I used to be >>>> a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. ?The cancer >>>> rotted his brain. ?The Steve we knew died years ago. ?The Steve had >>>> some remarkable marketing skills. ? And he made some remarkably bad >>>> marketing moves as well. ?Steve Wozniak was the true electronics >>>> whiz. ?I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC >>>> philosophy. ?That way you had best of both worlds. ?I have been >>>> using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. ?I was an FCP Evangelist. >>>> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP ?community that he did >>>> not need us. ?And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any >>>> more. ?And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it >>>> to the FCP user groups. ?Since the start of this year our FCP user >>>> group is going Avid or with Adobe. ?And the straw that broke the >>>> camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly >>>> with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >>>> ?me what he was really like. ?His behavior was rude and >>>> unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. ?I will get >>>> off my soap box and go back to lurking. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> microsound mailing list >>>> microsound at microsound.org >>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >> >> http://www.yugen-art.org >> twitter : @YugenArt >> facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> End of microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 >> ***************************************** >> > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- Chris Gregory --- chris at chrisgregory.com From beatthefinalboss at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 08:11:23 2011 From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:11:23 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: He was the leader of a large company. So large, that he most likely didn't control such things (They may have been handled by a separate department). Also, a death should never be "cheered', no matter how bad the person was, and this person, even if they did some bad things, also contributed very much to the world of technology. --Stelpa On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Laura Mello wrote: > Hi peoples, > > A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: > > http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ > > Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: > "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce Iphones. > > So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who > dedicated his life to fairness. > > Best > Laura > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:45:09 -0400 > Von: microsound-request at or8.net > An: microsound at or8.net > Betreff: microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 > > Send microsound mailing list submissions to > microsound at or8.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > microsound-request at or8.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > microsound-owner at or8.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of microsound digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Michael Mantra) > 2. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) > 3. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (norhal el halwagy) > 4. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) > 5. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (yugen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Mantra > To: microsound at or8.net, microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic at web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hey You All, > > Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge > fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. > The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing > skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve > Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a > One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I > have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. > But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need > us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this > year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since > the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And > the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they > worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and > the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to > lurking. > > > > Michael > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:27:22 -0400 > From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > You have a point, there :) > > But, quoting shakespeare: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" > :P > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM, yugen wrote: > > > > > > > Granular Synthesis and other Microsound techniques are quite a bit older > > than the Macintosh computer :P > > > > > > that's surely right. > > but the term microsound was coined by Curtis Roads in his 2001 book, in > > full-on apple era ;-) > > > > ps : i think.......... > > > > d. > > > > * > > http://www.yugen-art.org > > twitter : @YugenArt > > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > > * > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20111006/4e582d6b/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:29:49 -0400 > From: norhal el halwagy > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: <4E8D2EBD.4060604 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted > twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write > them. back into the background for me. > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > > Hey You All, > > > > Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a > huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his > brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable > marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. > Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my > students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both > worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP > Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he > did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. > And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user > groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or > with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who > claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they > told > > me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional > and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go > back to lurking. > > > > > > > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:38:54 -0400 > From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It's fine, lurking is an art form, I would know ;) > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:29 AM, norhal el halwagy > wrote: > > > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted > twice. > > i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back > into > > the background for me. > > > > > > > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > > > >> Hey You All, > >> > >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a > huge > >> fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. > >> The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable > marketing > >> skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. > Steve > >> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my > students a > >> One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I > >> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP > Evangelist. > >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not > need > >> us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then > this > >> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. > Since > >> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. > And > >> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they > >> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional > and > >> the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go > back to > >> lurking. > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> microsound mailing list > >> microsound at microsound.org > >> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound< > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound> > >> > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound< > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound> > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20111006/ee3a6e49/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:44:54 +0200 > From: yugen > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > > hey guys, no problem about that. > i have already sorted out everything with Norhal in private. i just > can suggest that you motivate your thinking, as you both did in your > second emails. > that may help better understand your point and enrich the discussion > too. ;-) > > take care, > > david. > > > > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted > > twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write > > them. back into the background for me. > > > > > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > >> Hey You All, > >> > >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be > >> a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer > >> rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had > >> some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad > >> marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics > >> whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC > >> philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been > >> using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. > >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did > >> not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any > >> more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it > >> to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user > >> group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the > >> camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly > >> with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and > >> unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get > >> off my soap box and go back to lurking. > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael > >> _______________________________________________ > >> microsound mailing list > >> microsound at microsound.org > >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > http://www.yugen-art.org > twitter : @YugenArt > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20111006/b8c9d2ab/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > End of microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 > ***************************************** > > -- > "The three main intellectual ages of man are: > 0 - 5 years age of WHY > 5 - 10 years age of WHY NOT > 10 - 75 years age of BECAUSE" > > DEBONO, Edward, The dog exercising machine, A study of children as > inventors, Harmondsworth > [u.a.] : Penguin Books, 1971. - 125 S. . - 0-14-080616-4. - (Penguin > education) > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From touch at klanggold.net Thu Oct 6 08:26:52 2011 From: touch at klanggold.net (klanggold) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:26:52 +0200 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: <7DF349F2-307E-4B62-9C13-FDB541DD6EF8@klanggold.net> This really Suck. The whole world Is talking about bad Apple and the Institution Called foxconn in China. But Nobody Is talking about that foxconn Is also producing Computer Things for the whole Crowd of Computer Manufacturer like Acer, hp, Dell, ... And so on. Foxconn has a monopole on the market of Computer manufacturing. So everyone who Is screaming about Apple, should shut down His Computer and go to hell ;) You're also a Part of it - everyone !!!! Sorry for my Bad english Kind regards andreas Andreas Usenbenz Dipl. audio Engineering (sae) www.klang-manufaktur.de 0731 / 4037846 (Studio) 0170 / 2836551 (mobil) Am 06.10.2011 um 14:11 schrieb beatthefinalboss at gmail.com: > He was the leader of a large company. So large, that he most likely didn't control such things (They may have been handled by a separate department). Also, a death should never be "cheered', no matter how bad the person was, and this person, even if they did some bad things, also contributed very much to the world of technology. > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Laura Mello wrote: > Hi peoples, > > A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: > > http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ > > Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: > "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce Iphones. > > So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who dedicated his life to fairness. > > Best > Laura > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:45:09 -0400 > Von: microsound-request at or8.net > An: microsound at or8.net > Betreff: microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 > > Send microsound mailing list submissions to > microsound at or8.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > microsound-request at or8.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > microsound-owner at or8.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of microsound digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Michael Mantra) > 2. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) > 3. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (norhal el halwagy) > 4. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) > 5. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (yugen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Mantra > To: microsound at or8.net, microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic at web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hey You All, > > Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking. > > > > Michael > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:27:22 -0400 > From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > You have a point, there :) > > But, quoting shakespeare: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" :P > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM, yugen wrote: > > > > > > > Granular Synthesis and other Microsound techniques are quite a bit older > > than the Macintosh computer :P > > > > > > that's surely right. > > but the term microsound was coined by Curtis Roads in his 2001 book, in > > full-on apple era ;-) > > > > ps : i think.......... > > > > d. > > > > * > > http://www.yugen-art.org > > twitter : @YugenArt > > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > > * > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:29:49 -0400 > From: norhal el halwagy > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: <4E8D2EBD.4060604 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted > twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write > them. back into the background for me. > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > > Hey You All, > > > > Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > > me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to lurking. > > > > > > > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:38:54 -0400 > From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It's fine, lurking is an art form, I would know ;) > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:29 AM, norhal el halwagy > wrote: > > > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted twice. > > i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back into > > the background for me. > > > > > > > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > > > >> Hey You All, > >> > >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge > >> fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. > >> The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing > >> skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve > >> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a > >> One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I > >> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. > >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need > >> us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this > >> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since > >> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And > >> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they > >> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and > >> the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to > >> lurking. > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> microsound mailing list > >> microsound at microsound.org > >> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound > >> > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:44:54 +0200 > From: yugen > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > > hey guys, no problem about that. > i have already sorted out everything with Norhal in private. i just > can suggest that you motivate your thinking, as you both did in your > second emails. > that may help better understand your point and enrich the discussion > too. ;-) > > take care, > > david. > > > > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted > > twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write > > them. back into the background for me. > > > > > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > >> Hey You All, > >> > >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be > >> a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer > >> rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had > >> some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad > >> marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics > >> whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC > >> philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been > >> using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. > >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did > >> not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any > >> more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it > >> to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user > >> group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the > >> camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly > >> with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and > >> unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get > >> off my soap box and go back to lurking. > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael > >> _______________________________________________ > >> microsound mailing list > >> microsound at microsound.org > >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > http://www.yugen-art.org > twitter : @YugenArt > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > End of microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 > ***************************************** > > -- > "The three main intellectual ages of man are: > 0 - 5 years age of WHY > 5 - 10 years age of WHY NOT > 10 - 75 years age of BECAUSE" > > DEBONO, Edward, The dog exercising machine, A study of children as inventors, Harmondsworth > [u.a.] : Penguin Books, 1971. - 125 S. . - 0-14-080616-4. - (Penguin education) > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From devel at thesaddj.com Thu Oct 6 08:38:19 2011 From: devel at thesaddj.com (Marco Donnarumma) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:38:19 +0100 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: Also the creation of the Atomic Bomb greatly contributed to the world of science and technology. (I know this sound provocative, but I care about how bad a person was and I'm not childishly saying he was THE EVIL.. Anyway, apologies.) M On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:11 PM, wrote: > He was the leader of a large company. So large, that he most likely > didn't control such things (They may have been handled by > a separate department). Also, a death should never be "cheered', no matter > how bad the person was, and this person, even if they did some bad things, > also contributed very much to the world of technology. > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Laura Mello wrote: > >> Hi peoples, >> >> A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: >> >> http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ >> >> Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: >> "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce Iphones. >> >> So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who >> dedicated his life to fairness. >> >> Best >> Laura >> >> -------- Original-Nachricht -------- >> Datum: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:45:09 -0400 >> Von: microsound-request at or8.net >> An: microsound at or8.net >> Betreff: microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 >> >> Send microsound mailing list submissions to >> microsound at or8.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> microsound-request at or8.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> microsound-owner at or8.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of microsound digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Michael Mantra) >> 2. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) >> 3. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (norhal el halwagy) >> 4. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) >> 5. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (yugen) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Michael Mantra >> To: microsound at or8.net, microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID: >> <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic at web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> >> Hey You All, >> >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge >> fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. >> The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing >> skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve >> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a >> One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I >> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need >> us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this >> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since >> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And >> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they >> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and >> the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to >> lurking. >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:27:22 -0400 >> From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID: >> > jH2Fodtew8Ayjjc0LkCjXsBm6EGhPnJs-wRbmB6+indMRQ at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> You have a point, there :) >> >> But, quoting shakespeare: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" >> :P >> >> --Stelpa >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM, yugen wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > Granular Synthesis and other Microsound techniques are quite a bit older >> > than the Macintosh computer :P >> > >> > >> > that's surely right. >> > but the term microsound was coined by Curtis Roads in his 2001 book, in >> > full-on apple era ;-) >> > >> > ps : i think.......... >> > >> > d. >> > >> > * >> > http://www.yugen-art.org >> > twitter : @YugenArt >> > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt >> > * >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > microsound mailing list >> > microsound at microsound.org >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20111006/4e582d6b/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:29:49 -0400 >> From: norhal el halwagy >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID: <4E8D2EBD.4060604 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted >> twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write >> them. back into the background for me. >> >> >> >> On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >> > Hey You All, >> > >> > Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a >> huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his >> brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable >> marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. >> Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my >> students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both >> worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP >> Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he >> did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. >> And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user >> groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or >> with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who >> claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they >> told >> > me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional >> and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go >> back to lurking. >> > >> > >> > >> > Michael >> > _______________________________________________ >> > microsound mailing list >> > microsound at microsound.org >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:38:54 -0400 >> From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID: >> > jH2KGESMoB_VK66LcHt57FOGvSJhVKW4G_mfW5XFCp3dsQ at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> It's fine, lurking is an art form, I would know ;) >> >> --Stelpa >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:29 AM, norhal el halwagy >> wrote: >> >> > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted >> twice. >> > i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back >> into >> > the background for me. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >> > >> >> Hey You All, >> >> >> >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a >> huge >> >> fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his >> brain. >> >> The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable >> marketing >> >> skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. >> Steve >> >> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my >> students a >> >> One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. >> I >> >> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP >> Evangelist. >> >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not >> need >> >> us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then >> this >> >> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. >> Since >> >> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. >> And >> >> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed >> they >> >> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >> >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional >> and >> >> the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go >> back to >> >> lurking. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> microsound mailing list >> >> microsound at microsound.org >> >> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound< >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound> >> >> >> > >> > ______________________________**_________________ >> > microsound mailing list >> > microsound at microsound.org >> > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound< >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound> >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20111006/ee3a6e49/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:44:54 +0200 >> From: yugen >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; >> DelSp="yes" >> >> hey guys, no problem about that. >> i have already sorted out everything with Norhal in private. i just >> can suggest that you motivate your thinking, as you both did in your >> second emails. >> that may help better understand your point and enrich the discussion >> too. ;-) >> >> take care, >> >> david. >> >> >> > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted >> > twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write >> > them. back into the background for me. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >> >> Hey You All, >> >> >> >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be >> >> a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer >> >> rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had >> >> some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad >> >> marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics >> >> whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC >> >> philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been >> >> using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. >> >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did >> >> not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any >> >> more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it >> >> to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user >> >> group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the >> >> camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly >> >> with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >> >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and >> >> unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get >> >> off my soap box and go back to lurking. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> microsound mailing list >> >> microsound at microsound.org >> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > microsound mailing list >> > microsound at microsound.org >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > >> >> http://www.yugen-art.org >> twitter : @YugenArt >> facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20111006/b8c9d2ab/attachment.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> End of microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 >> ***************************************** >> >> -- >> "The three main intellectual ages of man are: >> 0 - 5 years age of WHY >> 5 - 10 years age of WHY NOT >> 10 - 75 years age of BECAUSE" >> >> DEBONO, Edward, The dog exercising machine, A study of children as >> inventors, Harmondsworth >> [u.a.] : Penguin Books, 1971. - 125 S. . - 0-14-080616-4. - (Penguin >> education) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From devel at thesaddj.com Thu Oct 6 08:45:49 2011 From: devel at thesaddj.com (Marco Donnarumma) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 13:45:49 +0100 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <7DF349F2-307E-4B62-9C13-FDB541DD6EF8@klanggold.net> References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> <7DF349F2-307E-4B62-9C13-FDB541DD6EF8@klanggold.net> Message-ID: Personally, it's not about the hardware. From that viewpoint everybody of us could feel sad and guilty. It's not even about the man SJ. It's about the consumerism-pimped lifestyle promoted by Apple, about their contract regulations, about their closeness and their fictitious yearning of individuality veiled by the "be-different" motto. M On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM, klanggold wrote: > This really Suck. The whole world Is talking about bad Apple and the > Institution Called foxconn in China. But Nobody Is talking about that > foxconn Is also producing Computer Things for the whole Crowd of Computer > Manufacturer like Acer, hp, Dell, ... And so on. > Foxconn has a monopole on the market of Computer manufacturing. So everyone > who Is screaming about Apple, should shut down His Computer and go to hell > ;) > You're also a Part of it - everyone !!!! > > Sorry for my Bad english > > Kind regards andreas > > Andreas Usenbenz > > Dipl. audio Engineering (sae) > www.klang-manufaktur.de > > 0731 / 4037846 (Studio) > 0170 / 2836551 (mobil) > > Am 06.10.2011 um 14:11 schrieb beatthefinalboss at gmail.com: > > He was the leader of a large company. So large, that he most likely > didn't control such things (They may have been handled by > a separate department). Also, a death should never be "cheered', no matter > how bad the person was, and this person, even if they did some bad things, > also contributed very much to the world of technology. > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Laura Mello < > lauramello at gmx.at> wrote: > >> Hi peoples, >> >> A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: >> >> >> http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ >> >> Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: >> "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce Iphones. >> >> So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who >> dedicated his life to fairness. >> >> Best >> Laura >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joostvdm at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 08:56:34 2011 From: joostvdm at gmail.com (Joost van der Molen) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:56:34 +0200 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> <7DF349F2-307E-4B62-9C13-FDB541DD6EF8@klanggold.net> Message-ID: I suspect rampant hypocrisy behind the negative reactions here. RIP Steve. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: > Personally, it's not about the hardware.?From that viewpoint everybody of us > could feel sad and guilty. It's not even about the man SJ. > It's about the consumerism-pimped lifestyle promoted by Apple, about their > contract regulations, about their closeness and their fictitious yearning of > individuality veiled by the "be-different" motto. > M > > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM, klanggold wrote: >> >> This really Suck. The whole world Is talking about bad Apple and the >> Institution Called foxconn in China. But Nobody Is talking about that >> foxconn Is also producing Computer Things for the whole Crowd of Computer >> Manufacturer like Acer, hp, Dell, ... And so on. >> Foxconn has a monopole on the market of Computer manufacturing. So >> everyone who Is screaming about Apple, should shut down His Computer and go >> to hell ;) >> You're also a Part of it - everyone !!!! >> Sorry for my Bad english >> Kind regards andreas >> >> Andreas Usenbenz >> Dipl. audio Engineering (sae) >> www.klang-manufaktur.de >> 0731 / 4037846 (Studio) >> 0170 / 2836551 (mobil) >> Am 06.10.2011 um 14:11 schrieb beatthefinalboss at gmail.com: >> >> He was the leader of a large company. So large, that he most likely >> didn't?control?such things (They may have been handled by >> a?separate?department). Also, a death should never be "cheered', no matter >> how bad the person was, and this person, even if they did some bad things, >> also contributed very much to the world of technology. >> --Stelpa >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Laura Mello wrote: >>> >>> Hi peoples, >>> >>> A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: >>> >>> http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ >>> >>> Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: >>> "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce >>> Iphones. >>> >>> So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who >>> dedicated his life to fairness. >>> >>> Best >>> Laura >>> > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > From devel at thesaddj.com Thu Oct 6 09:02:16 2011 From: devel at thesaddj.com (Marco Donnarumma) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 14:02:16 +0100 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> <7DF349F2-307E-4B62-9C13-FDB541DD6EF8@klanggold.net> Message-ID: Could you please elaborate on this? M On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Joost van der Molen wrote: > I suspect rampant hypocrisy behind the negative reactions here. > > RIP Steve. > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Marco Donnarumma > wrote: > > Personally, it's not about the hardware. From that viewpoint everybody of > us > > could feel sad and guilty. It's not even about the man SJ. > > It's about the consumerism-pimped lifestyle promoted by Apple, about > their > > contract regulations, about their closeness and their fictitious yearning > of > > individuality veiled by the "be-different" motto. > > M > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM, klanggold wrote: > >> > >> This really Suck. The whole world Is talking about bad Apple and the > >> Institution Called foxconn in China. But Nobody Is talking about that > >> foxconn Is also producing Computer Things for the whole Crowd of > Computer > >> Manufacturer like Acer, hp, Dell, ... And so on. > >> Foxconn has a monopole on the market of Computer manufacturing. So > >> everyone who Is screaming about Apple, should shut down His Computer and > go > >> to hell ;) > >> You're also a Part of it - everyone !!!! > >> Sorry for my Bad english > >> Kind regards andreas > >> > >> Andreas Usenbenz > >> Dipl. audio Engineering (sae) > >> www.klang-manufaktur.de > >> 0731 / 4037846 (Studio) > >> 0170 / 2836551 (mobil) > >> Am 06.10.2011 um 14:11 schrieb beatthefinalboss at gmail.com: > >> > >> He was the leader of a large company. So large, that he most likely > >> didn't control such things (They may have been handled by > >> a separate department). Also, a death should never be "cheered', no > matter > >> how bad the person was, and this person, even if they did some bad > things, > >> also contributed very much to the world of technology. > >> --Stelpa > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Laura Mello wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi peoples, > >>> > >>> A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: > >>> > >>> http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ > >>> > >>> Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: > >>> "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce > >>> Iphones. > >>> > >>> So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person > who > >>> dedicated his life to fairness. > >>> > >>> Best > >>> Laura > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From js0000 at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 09:42:34 2011 From: js0000 at gmail.com (john saylor) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:42:34 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> Message-ID: hey On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 22:53, wrote: > What does any of this have to do with microsound, anyway? microsound -> audio -> technology -> tools -> macs of course, the list is not only about macs [each of the arrows actually have multiple destinations in my conception, ymmv]. i don't mind the diversion, the list is sometimes very quiet. but kim is the final arbiter. > Whether you like him and his company or not, you can't argue that > he was not highly influential, in many ways, to the world of technology. this is faint praise. if you substitute politics for technology you could be talking about sen. joe mccarthy ['unamerican activities']. my point is simply because someone is influential does not mean they were a positive influence. i understand the tendency to not speak ill of the dead, after all, we will all be in that position ourselves one day. but on the other hand, i see no reason to try to say anything other than what seems true to me, regardless if i'm talking about people who are living or dead. his autocratic style got a lot of good work out of a lot of people. and if you count the money, there's a lot. i don't like apple's closed systems and their emphasis on marketing style, but live and let live. -- \js [http://or8.net/~johns/] : "What started with a kind of poetry turned into social war." -CR From prolepsis at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 10:09:39 2011 From: prolepsis at gmail.com (Al Matthews) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:09:39 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> Message-ID: his autocratic style got a lot of good work out of a lot of people. and if you count the money, there's a lot. i don't like apple's closed systems and their emphasis on marketing style, but live and let live. thank you. also that's an awfully nice pun. I personally wonder, again i suppose, to what extent apple's enforcement of a closed system or ecosystem enabled ios (iphone os) to be so coherent and consistent: so predictable. i would contend that this is of benefit in the defining phase of a technology, in much the same way that it's helpful that a right mouse movement is mapped right. having recently switched to android my suspicions are that things are sometimes upside down and backward in that particular googledome, simply out of need for minimal-differentiation. patents etc. advancing this: a paired statement and question: i dislike software patents, and, would ios be as consistent as it is without them, or to generalize, without the autocratic enforcements? supporting that: as re: gnome / aqua: and paraphrasing with real trepidation, ezra pound: wouldn't gnome be yet "better" if someone handed it a fistful of money? and where would that come from? the argument stands i imagine that apple owes awfully a lot to the bsd community. and so i wonder, as we cast our assessment, what apple has added from there. Al. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:42 AM, john saylor wrote: > hey > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 22:53, ? wrote: >> What does any of this have to do with microsound, anyway? > > microsound -> audio -> technology -> tools -> macs > > of course, the list is not only about macs [each of the arrows > actually have multiple destinations in my conception, ymmv]. i don't > mind the diversion, the list is sometimes very quiet. but kim is the > final arbiter. > >> Whether you like him and his company or not, you can't argue that >> he was not highly influential, in many ways, to the world of technology. > > this is faint praise. if you substitute politics for technology you > could be talking about sen. joe mccarthy ['unamerican activities']. my > point is simply because someone is influential does not mean they were > a positive influence. > > i understand the tendency to not speak ill of the dead, after all, we > will all be in that position ourselves one day. but on the other hand, > i see no reason to try to say anything other than what seems true to > me, regardless if i'm talking about people who are living or dead. > > his autocratic style got a lot of good work out of a lot of people. > and if you count the money, there's a lot. i don't like apple's closed > systems and their emphasis on marketing style, but live and let live. > > -- > \js [http://or8.net/~johns/] : "What started with a kind of poetry > turned into social war." -CR > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- Al Matthews From jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net Thu Oct 6 10:27:13 2011 From: jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net (John Hopkins) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:27:13 -0600 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: <4E8DBAC1.5040704@tech-no-mad.net> ei micros... > Also the creation of the Atomic Bomb greatly contributed to the world of > science and technology. One should do a bit of research into the history of technology and it becomes abundantly clear the deep, profound, and fundamental relationship between (all) technological development and the military. Technology is the way humans seek to optimize their survival and reproduction as a species into the future. Who is 'worse,' the passive users of technology or those (engineers, designers, technocrats, policy wonks, entrepeneurs, etc) who seek to create new configurations? Without consumers of technology there would be no wide-scaled extractives industries globally which produce and fill your machines with coltan, rare-earth metals, hydrocarbons, and which are constantly spawning brutal human conflict at every point where there are resources to be had. (Think Niger Delta, think Congo, think Middle East, etc, etc). Are you using GPS today? Oh, thank you, US Department of Defense for those satellites which guide me around on a daily basis. (it's possible to trace this reliance on military technologies throughout our lives, ad nauseum). If you are living in the 'developed' world, you are totally implicated in this globe-spanning aristocracy of technology. And if you aren't living there, then you are being shafted by China, Europe, the US, Brazil or some other country or organization of humanity in order for the technocrats to get what you have in order to strengthen their particular aristocracy of technology. > (I know this sound provocative, but I care about how bad a person was and > I'm not childishly saying he was THE EVIL.. Anyway, apologies.) let (the consumer) who is without sin cast the first stone ... jh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Hopkins Watching the Tao rather than watching the Dow! http://neoscenes.net/ http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From beatthefinalboss at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 10:56:27 2011 From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:56:27 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: I knew someone was going to say that as soon as I sent my message, hehe :S But, think about it, you are comparing the creation of a weapon of mass destruction to a man who created a company which created somewhat pricey, stylish consumer technology :P What I meant by that, is, he did POSITIVELY influence the world of technology in many ways. Barack Obama writes: "Steve was among the greatest of American innovators ? brave enough to think differently, bold enough to believe he could change the world, and talented enough to do it. By building one of the planet?s most successful companies from his garage, he exemplified the spirit of American ingenuity. By making computers personal and putting the internet in our pockets, he made the information revolution not only accessible, but intuitive and fun. And by turning his talents to storytelling, he has brought joy to millions of children and grownups alike. Steve was fond of saying that he lived every day like it was his last. Because he did, he transformed our lives, redefined entire industries, and achieved one of the rarest feats in human history: he changed the way each of us sees the world." Yes, he may have utilized outsourcing, but so does pretty much every other company that you use the services of daily. If you think Apple is evil because of that, you might as well also find all of these companies (and more) equally evil: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/popups/exporting.america/content.html And with that, I am done. As I said, RIP Steve, he will be missed. If you wish to speak about this in the way you have been any further, go troll an apple forum or something. --Stelpa On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: > Also the creation of the Atomic Bomb greatly contributed to the world of > science and technology. > > (I know this sound provocative, but I care about how bad a person was and > I'm not childishly saying he was THE EVIL.. Anyway, apologies.) > > > M > > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:11 PM, wrote: > >> He was the leader of a large company. So large, that he most likely >> didn't control such things (They may have been handled by >> a separate department). Also, a death should never be "cheered', no matter >> how bad the person was, and this person, even if they did some bad things, >> also contributed very much to the world of technology. >> >> --Stelpa >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Laura Mello wrote: >> >>> Hi peoples, >>> >>> A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: >>> >>> http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ >>> >>> Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: >>> "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce >>> Iphones. >>> >>> So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who >>> dedicated his life to fairness. >>> >>> Best >>> Laura >>> >>> -------- Original-Nachricht -------- >>> Datum: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:45:09 -0400 >>> Von: microsound-request at or8.net >>> An: microsound at or8.net >>> Betreff: microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 >>> >>> Send microsound mailing list submissions to >>> microsound at or8.net >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> microsound-request at or8.net >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> microsound-owner at or8.net >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of microsound digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Michael Mantra) >>> 2. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) >>> 3. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (norhal el halwagy) >>> 4. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) >>> 5. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (yugen) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) >>> From: Michael Mantra >>> To: microsound at or8.net, microsound at microsound.org >>> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >>> Message-ID: >>> <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic at web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> >>> Hey You All, >>> >>> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge >>> fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. >>> The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing >>> skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve >>> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a >>> One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I >>> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. >>> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need >>> us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this >>> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since >>> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And >>> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they >>> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >>> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional >>> and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go >>> back to lurking. >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:27:22 -0400 >>> From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com >>> To: microsound at microsound.org >>> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >>> Message-ID: >>> >> jH2Fodtew8Ayjjc0LkCjXsBm6EGhPnJs-wRbmB6+indMRQ at mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> You have a point, there :) >>> >>> But, quoting shakespeare: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" >>> :P >>> >>> --Stelpa >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM, yugen wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > Granular Synthesis and other Microsound techniques are quite a bit >>> older >>> > than the Macintosh computer :P >>> > >>> > >>> > that's surely right. >>> > but the term microsound was coined by Curtis Roads in his 2001 book, in >>> > full-on apple era ;-) >>> > >>> > ps : i think.......... >>> > >>> > d. >>> > >>> > * >>> > http://www.yugen-art.org >>> > twitter : @YugenArt >>> > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt >>> > * >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > microsound mailing list >>> > microsound at microsound.org >>> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> > >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: < >>> http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20111006/4e582d6b/attachment-0001.html >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:29:49 -0400 >>> From: norhal el halwagy >>> To: microsound at microsound.org >>> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >>> Message-ID: <4E8D2EBD.4060604 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted >>> twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write >>> them. back into the background for me. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >>> > Hey You All, >>> > >>> > Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a >>> huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his >>> brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable >>> marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. >>> Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my >>> students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both >>> worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP >>> Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he >>> did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. >>> And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user >>> groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or >>> with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who >>> claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they >>> told >>> > me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional >>> and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go >>> back to lurking. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Michael >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > microsound mailing list >>> > microsound at microsound.org >>> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:38:54 -0400 >>> From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com >>> To: microsound at microsound.org >>> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >>> Message-ID: >>> >> jH2KGESMoB_VK66LcHt57FOGvSJhVKW4G_mfW5XFCp3dsQ at mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> It's fine, lurking is an art form, I would know ;) >>> >>> --Stelpa >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:29 AM, norhal el halwagy >>> wrote: >>> >>> > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted >>> twice. >>> > i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back >>> into >>> > the background for me. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hey You All, >>> >> >>> >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a >>> huge >>> >> fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his >>> brain. >>> >> The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable >>> marketing >>> >> skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. >>> Steve >>> >> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my >>> students a >>> >> One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. >>> I >>> >> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP >>> Evangelist. >>> >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did >>> not need >>> >> us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And >>> then this >>> >> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. >>> Since >>> >> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. >>> And >>> >> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed >>> they >>> >> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >>> >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional >>> and >>> >> the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go >>> back to >>> >> lurking. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Michael >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >>> >> microsound mailing list >>> >> microsound at microsound.org >>> >> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound< >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound> >>> >> >>> > >>> > ______________________________**_________________ >>> > microsound mailing list >>> > microsound at microsound.org >>> > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound< >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound> >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: < >>> http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20111006/ee3a6e49/attachment-0001.html >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:44:54 +0200 >>> From: yugen >>> To: microsound at microsound.org >>> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; >>> DelSp="yes" >>> >>> hey guys, no problem about that. >>> i have already sorted out everything with Norhal in private. i just >>> can suggest that you motivate your thinking, as you both did in your >>> second emails. >>> that may help better understand your point and enrich the discussion >>> too. ;-) >>> >>> take care, >>> >>> david. >>> >>> >>> > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted >>> > twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write >>> > them. back into the background for me. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: >>> >> Hey You All, >>> >> >>> >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be >>> >> a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer >>> >> rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had >>> >> some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad >>> >> marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics >>> >> whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC >>> >> philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been >>> >> using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. >>> >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did >>> >> not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any >>> >> more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it >>> >> to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user >>> >> group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the >>> >> camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly >>> >> with Steve or interviewed with them and they told >>> >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and >>> >> unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get >>> >> off my soap box and go back to lurking. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Michael >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> microsound mailing list >>> >> microsound at microsound.org >>> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > microsound mailing list >>> > microsound at microsound.org >>> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> > >>> >>> http://www.yugen-art.org >>> twitter : @YugenArt >>> facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: < >>> http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20111006/b8c9d2ab/attachment.html >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >>> >>> End of microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 >>> ***************************************** >>> >>> -- >>> "The three main intellectual ages of man are: >>> 0 - 5 years age of WHY >>> 5 - 10 years age of WHY NOT >>> 10 - 75 years age of BECAUSE" >>> >>> DEBONO, Edward, The dog exercising machine, A study of children as >>> inventors, Harmondsworth >>> [u.a.] : Penguin Books, 1971. - 125 S. . - 0-14-080616-4. - (Penguin >>> education) >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > > > -- > Marco Donnarumma > Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher > ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) > The University of Edinburgh, UK > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com > Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | > http://www.flxer.net > Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From devel at thesaddj.com Thu Oct 6 10:57:05 2011 From: devel at thesaddj.com (Marco Donnarumma) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:57:05 +0100 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8DBAC1.5040704@tech-no-mad.net> References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> <4E8DBAC1.5040704@tech-no-mad.net> Message-ID: Yes, that's a topic which I'm quite interested in, and that's why it came first to my mind. If you're interested too, you might want to check (if you didn't already) the recent Sonic Warfare by Steve Goodman and War and Cinema by Virilio, for some more complex and punctual insights about this topic, well beyond the stereotype of the GPS and the army. By the way, the way illustrated below might appear too simplistic. "We are all sinners", "live and let live"... In my humble and simple opinion there are certain conditions we can affect and others which can only affect us. Stating we are all useless because we are involved appears to point at a low existential self-esteem. We are involved, but we can avoid affection. And creative minds praising SJ only because today he died and he "made a good service to technology" seems to me the symptom of the aforementioned affection which makes invisible the interest-based socio-cultural grip that such corporation owns and deploys at ease. M On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:27 PM, John Hopkins wrote: > ei micros... > > Also the creation of the Atomic Bomb greatly contributed to the world of >> science and technology. >> > > One should do a bit of research into the history of technology and it > becomes abundantly clear the deep, profound, and fundamental relationship > between (all) technological development and the military. Technology is the > way humans seek to optimize their survival and reproduction as a species > into the future. > > Who is 'worse,' the passive users of technology or those (engineers, > designers, technocrats, policy wonks, entrepeneurs, etc) who seek to create > new configurations? Without consumers of technology there would be no > wide-scaled extractives industries globally which produce and fill your > machines with coltan, rare-earth metals, hydrocarbons, and which are > constantly spawning brutal human conflict at every point where there are > resources to be had. (Think Niger Delta, think Congo, think Middle East, > etc, etc). > > Are you using GPS today? Oh, thank you, US Department of Defense for those > satellites which guide me around on a daily basis. (it's possible to trace > this reliance on military technologies throughout our lives, ad nauseum). > If you are living in the 'developed' world, you are totally implicated in > this globe-spanning aristocracy of technology. And if you aren't living > there, then you are being shafted by China, Europe, the US, Brazil or some > other country or organization of humanity in order for the technocrats to > get what you have in order to strengthen their particular aristocracy of > technology. > > (I know this sound provocative, but I care about how bad a person was and >> I'm not childishly saying he was THE EVIL.. Anyway, apologies.) >> > > let (the consumer) who is without sin cast the first stone ... > > jh > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++**++++++++++++++++++++ > John Hopkins > Watching the Tao rather than watching the Dow! > http://neoscenes.net/ > http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++**++++++++++++++++++++ > ______________________________**_________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound > > -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From devel at thesaddj.com Thu Oct 6 10:57:05 2011 From: devel at thesaddj.com (Marco Donnarumma) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:57:05 +0100 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8DBAC1.5040704@tech-no-mad.net> References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> <4E8DBAC1.5040704@tech-no-mad.net> Message-ID: Yes, that's a topic which I'm quite interested in, and that's why it came first to my mind. If you're interested too, you might want to check (if you didn't already) the recent Sonic Warfare by Steve Goodman and War and Cinema by Virilio, for some more complex and punctual insights about this topic, well beyond the stereotype of the GPS and the army. By the way, the way illustrated below might appear too simplistic. "We are all sinners", "live and let live"... In my humble and simple opinion there are certain conditions we can affect and others which can only affect us. Stating we are all useless because we are involved appears to point at a low existential self-esteem. We are involved, but we can avoid affection. And creative minds praising SJ only because today he died and he "made a good service to technology" seems to me the symptom of the aforementioned affection which makes invisible the interest-based socio-cultural grip that such corporation owns and deploys at ease. M On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:27 PM, John Hopkins wrote: > ei micros... > > Also the creation of the Atomic Bomb greatly contributed to the world of >> science and technology. >> > > One should do a bit of research into the history of technology and it > becomes abundantly clear the deep, profound, and fundamental relationship > between (all) technological development and the military. Technology is the > way humans seek to optimize their survival and reproduction as a species > into the future. > > Who is 'worse,' the passive users of technology or those (engineers, > designers, technocrats, policy wonks, entrepeneurs, etc) who seek to create > new configurations? Without consumers of technology there would be no > wide-scaled extractives industries globally which produce and fill your > machines with coltan, rare-earth metals, hydrocarbons, and which are > constantly spawning brutal human conflict at every point where there are > resources to be had. (Think Niger Delta, think Congo, think Middle East, > etc, etc). > > Are you using GPS today? Oh, thank you, US Department of Defense for those > satellites which guide me around on a daily basis. (it's possible to trace > this reliance on military technologies throughout our lives, ad nauseum). > If you are living in the 'developed' world, you are totally implicated in > this globe-spanning aristocracy of technology. And if you aren't living > there, then you are being shafted by China, Europe, the US, Brazil or some > other country or organization of humanity in order for the technocrats to > get what you have in order to strengthen their particular aristocracy of > technology. > > (I know this sound provocative, but I care about how bad a person was and >> I'm not childishly saying he was THE EVIL.. Anyway, apologies.) >> > > let (the consumer) who is without sin cast the first stone ... > > jh > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++**++++++++++++++++++++ > John Hopkins > Watching the Tao rather than watching the Dow! > http://neoscenes.net/ > http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++**++++++++++++++++++++ > ______________________________**_________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound > > -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net Thu Oct 6 11:03:04 2011 From: jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net (John Hopkins) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 09:03:04 -0600 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E8DC328.3040502@tech-no-mad.net> > advancing this: a paired statement and question: i dislike software > patents, and, would ios be as consistent as it is without them, or to > generalize, without the autocratic enforcements? > supporting that: as re: gnome / aqua: and paraphrasing with real > trepidation, ezra pound: wouldn't gnome be yet "better" if someone > handed it a fistful of money? ANY technology is the (optimized) application of a protocol on a range of energized material. A reproducible technology which is inter-operable (with itself) has to have (on a sliding scale) a more rigorous set of protocols that guide its use. This, by nature, restricts the use to within the definitions of that protocol. The more open the system, the more potential for evolution, for change, and in that same way, for failure (to do a defined task). Technology is about (human) control of pathways of energy flow through the world we are part of. Tighter control means being able to take huge energies 'out there' and direct them precisely where one likes (think about owning (or even building) an amplifier!). Less control allows for more noise in the system which can give rise to interesting and unforeseen possibility, but it can also, in the case of an amplifier, shred your speakers, overheat, and burn down your house. In any technological deployment there is an explicit struggle between control and freedom. (think 'o-ring' on the shuttle booster rocket!) More control requires more overall energy input into the system. (This is simple thermodynamics -- which is not an optional concept, "it's the LAW.") With infinite energy supplies, one can completely control a system and that system will not fail in its task. Obviously this is impossible, so we have to make do with something less than perfect control. But to make a device that can be deployed widely across a huge range of environmental conditions and have it so that it fails infrequently, one has to exert intense control over the production process, all of the way. That's why military systems are triple-redundant, for example. When needing to launch a chunk of lead across a space and into another human's body who is attempting to do the same thing at the same second at you, you don't want your technological support system to fail. You would not want the manufacturer of that weapon system to have employees who were smoking pot the day your weapon was rolling off the assembly line! Thus the idea of wide-scaled social engineering to ensure that command-and-control systems are in place throughout the supply chain. Apple, as a techno-social system within a wider techno-social system, is no different than any other techno-social system in these issues. (nation-states, military organizations, manufacturing entities, corporations, clans, whatever) Just a few reflections prompted by the somewhat facile comments here on the list regarding a human passing, and how that human's presence affected other humans across the planet. More can be found below... cheers, JH for example -- http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/2657 or http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/2390 or http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/2014 or http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/2008 or just http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/tag/technology From danalogue at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 11:07:41 2011 From: danalogue at gmail.com (Dan Graham) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:07:41 -0700 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <4E8DC328.3040502@tech-no-mad.net> References: <1317863544.2699.YahooMailClassic@web161421.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4E8D010D.7070703@Gmail.com> <4E8D113C.1040004@gmail.com> <8AA09667-1417-49E7-97AD-B2AFA45A217A@yugen-art.org> <4E8D15E3.2010509@gmail.com> <4E8DC328.3040502@tech-no-mad.net> Message-ID: This is what I think: BlahBlahBlah On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:03 AM, John Hopkins wrote: > > advancing this: a paired statement and question: i dislike software >> patents, and, would ios be as consistent as it is without them, or to >> generalize, without the autocratic enforcements? >> supporting that: as re: gnome / aqua: and paraphrasing with real >> trepidation, ezra pound: wouldn't gnome be yet "better" if someone >> handed it a fistful of money? >> > > ANY technology is the (optimized) application of a protocol on a range of > energized material. A reproducible technology which is inter-operable (with > itself) has to have (on a sliding scale) a more rigorous set of protocols > that guide its use. This, by nature, restricts the use to within the > definitions of that protocol. The more open the system, the more potential > for evolution, for change, and in that same way, for failure (to do a > defined task). Technology is about (human) control of pathways of energy > flow through the world we are part of. Tighter control means being able to > take huge energies 'out there' and direct them precisely where one likes > (think about owning (or even building) an amplifier!). Less control allows > for more noise in the system which can give rise to interesting and > unforeseen possibility, but it can also, in the case of an amplifier, shred > your speakers, overheat, and burn down your house. > > In any technological deployment there is an explicit struggle between > control and freedom. (think 'o-ring' on the shuttle booster rocket!) More > control requires more overall energy input into the system. (This is simple > thermodynamics -- which is not an optional concept, "it's the LAW.") With > infinite energy supplies, one can completely control a system and that > system will not fail in its task. Obviously this is impossible, so we have > to make do with something less than perfect control. But to make a device > that can be deployed widely across a huge range of environmental conditions > and have it so that it fails infrequently, one has to exert intense control > over the production process, all of the way. > > That's why military systems are triple-redundant, for example. When > needing to launch a chunk of lead across a space and into another human's > body who is attempting to do the same thing at the same second at you, you > don't want your technological support system to fail. You would not want > the manufacturer of that weapon system to have employees who were smoking > pot the day your weapon was rolling off the assembly line! Thus the idea of > wide-scaled social engineering to ensure that command-and-control systems > are in place throughout the supply chain. > > Apple, as a techno-social system within a wider techno-social system, is no > different than any other techno-social system in these issues. > (nation-states, military organizations, manufacturing entities, > corporations, clans, whatever) > > Just a few reflections prompted by the somewhat facile comments here on the > list regarding a human passing, and how that human's presence affected other > humans across the planet. More can be found below... > > cheers, > JH > > for example -- http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/**archives/2657 > or http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/**archives/2390 > or http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/**archives/2014 > or http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/**archives/2008 > or just http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/**archives/tag/technology > > ______________________________**_________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dara On 2011-10-06, at 11:07 AM, Dan Graham wrote: > This is what I think: > > BlahBlahBlah > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:03 AM, John Hopkins wrote: > > advancing this: a paired statement and question: i dislike software > patents, and, would ios be as consistent as it is without them, or to > generalize, without the autocratic enforcements? > supporting that: as re: gnome / aqua: and paraphrasing with real > trepidation, ezra pound: wouldn't gnome be yet "better" if someone > handed it a fistful of money? > > ANY technology is the (optimized) application of a protocol on a range of energized material. A reproducible technology which is inter-operable (with itself) has to have (on a sliding scale) a more rigorous set of protocols that guide its use. This, by nature, restricts the use to within the definitions of that protocol. The more open the system, the more potential for evolution, for change, and in that same way, for failure (to do a defined task). Technology is about (human) control of pathways of energy flow through the world we are part of. Tighter control means being able to take huge energies 'out there' and direct them precisely where one likes (think about owning (or even building) an amplifier!). Less control allows for more noise in the system which can give rise to interesting and unforeseen possibility, but it can also, in the case of an amplifier, shred your speakers, overheat, and burn down your house. > > In any technological deployment there is an explicit struggle between control and freedom. (think 'o-ring' on the shuttle booster rocket!) More control requires more overall energy input into the system. (This is simple thermodynamics -- which is not an optional concept, "it's the LAW.") With infinite energy supplies, one can completely control a system and that system will not fail in its task. Obviously this is impossible, so we have to make do with something less than perfect control. But to make a device that can be deployed widely across a huge range of environmental conditions and have it so that it fails infrequently, one has to exert intense control over the production process, all of the way. > > That's why military systems are triple-redundant, for example. When needing to launch a chunk of lead across a space and into another human's body who is attempting to do the same thing at the same second at you, you don't want your technological support system to fail. You would not want the manufacturer of that weapon system to have employees who were smoking pot the day your weapon was rolling off the assembly line! Thus the idea of wide-scaled social engineering to ensure that command-and-control systems are in place throughout the supply chain. > > Apple, as a techno-social system within a wider techno-social system, is no different than any other techno-social system in these issues. (nation-states, military organizations, manufacturing entities, corporations, clans, whatever) > > Just a few reflections prompted by the somewhat facile comments here on the list regarding a human passing, and how that human's presence affected other humans across the planet. More can be found below... > > cheers, > JH > > for example -- http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/2657 > or http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/2390 > or http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/2014 > or http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/2008 > or just http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/archives/tag/technology > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you > wish to speak about this in the way you have been any further, go troll an > apple forum or something. > Thanks, for your feedback. I don't usually "troll" around, I'm conversing here as I'm involved in this community as everybody else writing today. -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hales.derek at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 11:46:05 2011 From: hales.derek at gmail.com (derek hales) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:46:05 +0100 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: microsound: I can't hear a thing On 6 October 2011 10:42, Laura Mello wrote: > Hi peoples, > > A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: > > http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ > > Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: > "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce Iphones. > > So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who > dedicated his life to fairness. > > Best > Laura > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:45:09 -0400 > Von: microsound-request at or8.net > An: microsound at or8.net > Betreff: microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 > > Send microsound mailing list submissions to > microsound at or8.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > microsound-request at or8.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > microsound-owner at or8.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of microsound digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Michael Mantra) > 2. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) > 3. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (norhal el halwagy) > 4. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) > 5. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (yugen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Mantra > To: microsound at or8.net, microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > <1317874935.7594.YahooMailClassic at web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hey You All, > > Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a huge > fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. > The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable marketing > skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. Steve > Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my students a > One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I > have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. > But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not need > us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then this > year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. Since > the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. And > the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they > worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional and > the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go back to > lurking. > > > > Michael > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:27:22 -0400 > From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > You have a point, there :) > > But, quoting shakespeare: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" > :P > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM, yugen wrote: > > > > > > > Granular Synthesis and other Microsound techniques are quite a bit older > > than the Macintosh computer :P > > > > > > that's surely right. > > but the term microsound was coined by Curtis Roads in his 2001 book, in > > full-on apple era ;-) > > > > ps : i think.......... > > > > d. > > > > * > > http://www.yugen-art.org > > twitter : @YugenArt > > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > > * > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20111006/4e582d6b/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 00:29:49 -0400 > From: norhal el halwagy > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: <4E8D2EBD.4060604 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted > twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write > them. back into the background for me. > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > > Hey You All, > > > > Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a > huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his > brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable > marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. > Steve Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my > students a One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both > worlds. I have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP > Evangelist. But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he > did not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. > And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user > groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or > with Adobe. And the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who > claimed they worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they > told > > me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional > and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go > back to lurking. > > > > > > > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:38:54 -0400 > From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It's fine, lurking is an art form, I would know ;) > > --Stelpa > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:29 AM, norhal el halwagy > wrote: > > > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted > twice. > > i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write them. back > into > > the background for me. > > > > > > > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > > > >> Hey You All, > >> > >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be a > huge > >> fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer rotted his brain. > >> The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had some remarkable > marketing > >> skills. And he made some remarkably bad marketing moves as well. > Steve > >> Wozniak was the true electronics whiz. I always advocated to my > students a > >> One Mac and One PC philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I > >> have been using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP > Evangelist. > >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did not > need > >> us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any more. And then > this > >> year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it to the FCP user groups. > Since > >> the start of this year our FCP user group is going Avid or with Adobe. > And > >> the straw that broke the camels back was meeting people who claimed they > >> worked directly with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and unprofessional > and > >> the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get off my soap box and go > back to > >> lurking. > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> microsound mailing list > >> microsound at microsound.org > >> http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound< > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound> > >> > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/**listinfo/microsound< > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound> > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20111006/ee3a6e49/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 06:44:54 +0200 > From: yugen > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > > hey guys, no problem about that. > i have already sorted out everything with Norhal in private. i just > can suggest that you motivate your thinking, as you both did in your > second emails. > that may help better understand your point and enrich the discussion > too. ;-) > > take care, > > david. > > > > and my apologies for fanning the flames. in 6 years i've only posted > > twice. i realize i like it more when i read posts than when i write > > them. back into the background for me. > > > > > > > > On 10/6/11 12:22 AM, Michael Mantra wrote: > >> Hey You All, > >> > >> Sorry I did not mean to start a flame war here. I used to be > >> a huge fan of The Steve until the last few years. The cancer > >> rotted his brain. The Steve we knew died years ago. The Steve had > >> some remarkable marketing skills. And he made some remarkably bad > >> marketing moves as well. Steve Wozniak was the true electronics > >> whiz. I always advocated to my students a One Mac and One PC > >> philosophy. That way you had best of both worlds. I have been > >> using Final Cut Pro for over 11 years. I was an FCP Evangelist. > >> But then a couple years ago he told the FCP community that he did > >> not need us. And he did not need to make Towers or lap tops any > >> more. And then this year FCP X came out and Apple did not show it > >> to the FCP user groups. Since the start of this year our FCP user > >> group is going Avid or with Adobe. And the straw that broke the > >> camels back was meeting people who claimed they worked directly > >> with Steve or interviewed with them and they told > >> me what he was really like. His behavior was rude and > >> unprofessional and the cancer rotted him inside out. I will get > >> off my soap box and go back to lurking. > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael > >> _______________________________________________ > >> microsound mailing list > >> microsound at microsound.org > >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > http://www.yugen-art.org > twitter : @YugenArt > facebook : http://tinyurl.com/YugenArt > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20111006/b8c9d2ab/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > End of microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5 > ***************************************** > > -- > "The three main intellectual ages of man are: > 0 - 5 years age of WHY > 5 - 10 years age of WHY NOT > 10 - 75 years age of BECAUSE" > > DEBONO, Edward, The dog exercising machine, A study of children as > inventors, Harmondsworth > [u.a.] : Penguin Books, 1971. - 125 S. . - 0-14-080616-4. - (Penguin > education) > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danalogue at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 11:47:47 2011 From: danalogue at gmail.com (Dan Graham) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:47:47 -0700 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: TrollingAround On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: > But, think about it, you are comparing the creation of a weapon of mass >> destruction to a man who created a company which created somewhat pricey, >> stylish consumer technology :P >> > > ...and continuously mined the freedom of its developers and users as no > other company did before. > > http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/03/iphone-developer-program-license-agreement-all > > > >> Yes, he may have utilized outsourcing, but so does pretty much every other >> company that you use the services of daily. If you think Apple is evil >> because of that, you might as well also find all of these companies (and >> more) equally evil: >> > > I don't think I ever mentioned outsourcing. > > > And with that, I am done. As I said, RIP Steve, he will be missed. If you >> wish to speak about this in the way you have been any further, go troll an >> apple forum or something. >> > > Thanks, for your feedback. > I don't usually "troll" around, I'm conversing here as I'm involved in this > community as everybody else writing today. > > > > > -- > Marco Donnarumma > Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher > ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) > The University of Edinburgh, UK > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com > Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | > http://www.flxer.net > Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwnewman at clara.co.uk Thu Oct 6 13:55:16 2011 From: dwnewman at clara.co.uk (David Newman) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:55:16 +0100 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net><7DF349F2-307E-4B62-9C13-FDB541DD6EF8@klanggold.net> Message-ID: <758C50E4A9DF4B018956310968EEBDB0@audiobul6e8dab> The man did well in creating good products that pleased a lot of people and sold well If he had invented bread would we all be so angry? David Newman http://www.audiomoves.com | Audiomoves > Digital audio solutions http://www.audiobulb.com | Audiobulb Records > Exploratory music _____ From: microsound-bounces at or8.net [mailto:microsound-bounces at or8.net] On Behalf Of Marco Donnarumma Sent: 06 October 2011 14:02 To: microsound at microsound.org Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs Could you please elaborate on this? M On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Joost van der Molen wrote: I suspect rampant hypocrisy behind the negative reactions here. RIP Steve. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: > Personally, it's not about the hardware. From that viewpoint everybody of us > could feel sad and guilty. It's not even about the man SJ. > It's about the consumerism-pimped lifestyle promoted by Apple, about their > contract regulations, about their closeness and their fictitious yearning of > individuality veiled by the "be-different" motto. > M > > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM, klanggold wrote: >> >> This really Suck. The whole world Is talking about bad Apple and the >> Institution Called foxconn in China. But Nobody Is talking about that >> foxconn Is also producing Computer Things for the whole Crowd of Computer >> Manufacturer like Acer, hp, Dell, ... And so on. >> Foxconn has a monopole on the market of Computer manufacturing. So >> everyone who Is screaming about Apple, should shut down His Computer and go >> to hell ;) >> You're also a Part of it - everyone !!!! >> Sorry for my Bad english >> Kind regards andreas >> >> Andreas Usenbenz >> Dipl. audio Engineering (sae) >> www.klang-manufaktur.de >> 0731 / 4037846 (Studio) >> 0170 / 2836551 (mobil) >> Am 06.10.2011 um 14:11 schrieb beatthefinalboss at gmail.com: >> >> He was the leader of a large company. So large, that he most likely >> didn't control such things (They may have been handled by >> a separate department). Also, a death should never be "cheered', no matter >> how bad the person was, and this person, even if they did some bad things, >> also contributed very much to the world of technology. >> --Stelpa >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Laura Mello wrote: >>> >>> Hi peoples, >>> >>> A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: >>> >>> http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ >>> >>> Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: >>> "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce >>> Iphones. >>> >>> So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person who >>> dedicated his life to fairness. >>> >>> Best >>> Laura >>> > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound at microsound.org http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net _____ No virus found in this message. 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Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=a29kYW44MTM1 2011/10/6 David Newman > ** > The man did well in creating good products that pleased a lot of people and > sold well > > If he had invented bread would we all be so angry? > > > David Newman > > ******http://www.audiomoves.com | Audiomoves > *Digital audio solutions* * > *** > > **********http://www.audiobulb.com | Audiobulb Records > *E**xploratory > music* ** > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* microsound-bounces at or8.net [mailto:microsound-bounces at or8.net] *On > Behalf Of *Marco Donnarumma > *Sent:* 06 October 2011 14:02 > > *To:* microsound at microsound.org > *Subject:* Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > > Could you please elaborate on this? > > M > > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Joost van der Molen wrote: > >> I suspect rampant hypocrisy behind the negative reactions here. >> >> RIP Steve. >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Marco Donnarumma >> wrote: >> > Personally, it's not about the hardware. From that viewpoint everybody >> of us >> > could feel sad and guilty. It's not even about the man SJ. >> > It's about the consumerism-pimped lifestyle promoted by Apple, about >> their >> > contract regulations, about their closeness and their fictitious >> yearning of >> > individuality veiled by the "be-different" motto. >> > M >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM, klanggold wrote: >> >> >> >> This really Suck. The whole world Is talking about bad Apple and the >> >> Institution Called foxconn in China. But Nobody Is talking about that >> >> foxconn Is also producing Computer Things for the whole Crowd of >> Computer >> >> Manufacturer like Acer, hp, Dell, ... And so on. >> >> Foxconn has a monopole on the market of Computer manufacturing. So >> >> everyone who Is screaming about Apple, should shut down His Computer >> and go >> >> to hell ;) >> >> You're also a Part of it - everyone !!!! >> >> Sorry for my Bad english >> >> Kind regards andreas >> >> >> >> Andreas Usenbenz >> >> Dipl. audio Engineering (sae) >> >> www.klang-manufaktur.de >> >> 0731 / 4037846 (Studio) >> >> 0170 / 2836551 (mobil) >> >> Am 06.10.2011 um 14:11 schrieb beatthefinalboss at gmail.com: >> >> >> >> He was the leader of a large company. So large, that he most likely >> >> didn't control such things (They may have been handled by >> >> a separate department). Also, a death should never be "cheered', no >> matter >> >> how bad the person was, and this person, even if they did some bad >> things, >> >> also contributed very much to the world of technology. >> >> --Stelpa >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Laura Mello wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi peoples, >> >>> >> >>> A bit late in the whole discussion, but I read this just 2 days ago: >> >>> >> >>> http://www.taz.de/Ausbeutung-in-neuer-Apple-Fabrik/!79254/ >> >>> >> >>> Unfortunately, only in german, but the title means: >> >>> "Exploitation in the new Apple fabric in China" - Islaves produce >> >>> Iphones. >> >>> >> >>> So I wish next breaking news will cheer the death of some big person >> who >> >>> dedicated his life to fairness. >> >>> >> >>> Best >> >>> Laura >> >>> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > microsound mailing list >> > microsound at microsound.org >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > > > -- > Marco Donnarumma > Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher > ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) > The University of Edinburgh, UK > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com > Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com | > http://www.flxer.net > Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4541 - Release Date: 10/06/11 > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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J From beatthefinalboss at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 18:37:32 2011 From: beatthefinalboss at gmail.com (beatthefinalboss at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:37:32 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Microsound Digest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I propose a new mailing list, "Conversations About Steve Jobs Using Long Words" :P On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:16 PM, John DeNosky wrote: > I'm 2 rants away from clearing my inbox more room for a mailing list I can > learn something musical from... > > J > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vertgrall at gmail.com Thu Oct 6 18:59:12 2011 From: vertgrall at gmail.com (JM) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:59:12 -0700 Subject: [microsound] New Tools Message-ID: Howdy People. Was wondering are there any cool new Microsound tools out there? 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D On 2011-10-06, at 7:44 PM, John DeNosky wrote: > It's not really "new", and I've only scratched the surface, but lately, I've been experimenting on some projects with MetaSynth 5 - http://www.uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/index.php > Also, check out the granular features in Alchemy - http://www.camelaudio.com/Alchemy.php > > By Christmas, Hopefully I'll be joining the Kyma world, and will have more insight, but I'm very eager to see what others are coming up with for Mac, esp Snow Leopard. > > J > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bvasic at tampabay.rr.com Thu Oct 6 20:36:24 2011 From: bvasic at tampabay.rr.com (Aleks Vasic) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:36:24 -0400 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: Me likee! 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4541 - Release Date: 10/06/11 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From music at johndenosky.com Fri Oct 7 02:34:53 2011 From: music at johndenosky.com (John DeNosky) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 01:34:53 -0500 Subject: [microsound] New Tools In-Reply-To: <87B7232D79684437AAB6C4409EB9CE81@audiobul6e8dab> References: <87B7232D79684437AAB6C4409EB9CE81@audiobul6e8dab> Message-ID: <76E33F96-BC21-4856-8F24-6891ABF2E96C@johndenosky.com> This looks great! 10 seconds, and I'm buying! :) Thanks! J On Oct 7, 2011, at 1:30 AM, David Newman wrote: > http://www.audiobulb.com/create/Ambient/AB-Ambient.htm > > David Newman > > http://www.audiomoves.com | Audiomoves > Digital audio solutions > > http://www.audiobulb.com | Audiobulb Records > Exploratory music > > > > From: microsound-bounces at or8.net [mailto:microsound-bounces at or8.net] On Behalf Of JM > Sent: 06 October 2011 23:59 > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: [microsound] New Tools > > Howdy People. > > Was wondering are there any cool new Microsound tools out there? > Mac Or PC > > Cheers, > Jon McMillion. > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4541 - Release Date: 10/06/11 > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From renato.fabbri at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 02:59:53 2011 From: renato.fabbri at gmail.com (Renato Fabbri) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 03:59:53 -0300 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: Steve, From The Name Steven, Gender: Male, Origin: Greek Steven means Crowned One Jobs... getta job.. yeah right.. The "Crowned One of the Jobs" is dead. His death is one more that IMHO makes 2011 a turning point in this millennium. May he rest in peace. 2011/10/6 Aleks Vasic : > Me likee! > On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Dan Graham wrote: > > TrollingAround > > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -- GNU/Linux User #479299 labmacambira.sf.net From danko.djuric at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 04:07:54 2011 From: danko.djuric at gmail.com (Kodan) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 10:07:54 +0200 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: think different but don t be mean ----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=a29kYW44MTM1 2011/10/7 Renato Fabbri > Steve, From The Name Steven, Gender: Male, Origin: Greek > > Steven means Crowned One > > Jobs... > > getta job.. yeah right.. > > The "Crowned One of the Jobs" is dead. > > His death is one more that IMHO makes 2011 a turning point in this > millennium. > > May he rest in peace. > > 2011/10/6 Aleks Vasic : > > Me likee! > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Dan Graham wrote: > > > > TrollingAround > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > > > > -- > GNU/Linux User #479299 > labmacambira.sf.net > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bernardobarros2 at gmail.com Fri Oct 7 12:17:45 2011 From: bernardobarros2 at gmail.com (Bernardo Barros) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:17:45 -0700 Subject: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs In-Reply-To: References: <20111006094251.122870@gmx.net> Message-ID: Interesting: Dreamwork China, or dreams and rights of a new generation in the world?s factory. http://www.dreamworkchina.tv/en/video/dreamwork-china-movie From music at johndenosky.com Fri Oct 7 13:05:59 2011 From: music at johndenosky.com (John DeNosky) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:05:59 -0500 Subject: [microsound] New Tools In-Reply-To: <4E8EF7DA.6030108@gmail.com> References: <4E8EF7DA.6030108@gmail.com> Message-ID: Michael - Well done with these programs! J On Oct 7, 2011, at 8:00 AM, Michael Sweeton wrote: > Some apps I've been working on - http://www.sirenaudio.co.uk/ > > On 06/10/2011 23:59, JM wrote: >> >> Howdy People. >> >> Was wondering are there any cool new Microsound tools out there? >> Mac Or PC >> >> Cheers, >> Jon McMillion. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From michael_mantra at yahoo.com Fri Oct 7 21:37:40 2011 From: michael_mantra at yahoo.com (Michael Mantra) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 18:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [microsound] =?utf-8?q?RIP=5FThe=5FSteve=5FDefending_Life?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Work_With_Words_of_a_Tyrant?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1318037860.3386.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Defending-Lifes-Work-With-nytimes-2910052601.html?x=0 From chris at chrisgregory.com Fri Oct 7 22:14:29 2011 From: chris at chrisgregory.com (Chris Gregory) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:14:29 +1100 Subject: [microsound] =?utf-8?q?RIP=5FThe=5FSteve=5FDefending_Life?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Work_With_Words_of_a_Tyrant?= In-Reply-To: <1318037860.3386.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1318037860.3386.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maybe when anyone dies we should get together and assess them, like teachers writing a school report card at the end of the year. The we'd put the grade on their tombstone, like this: Steve Jobs RIP Grade: C+ And underneath: -failed to conform to social norms -failed to single-handedly reform inequities of industrialised production -could have dressed more appropriately What a bunch of miserable, self-important sods. Chris On 8 October 2011 12:37, Michael Mantra wrote: > > http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Defending-Lifes-Work-With-nytimes-2910052601.html?x=0 > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- Chris Gregory --- chris at chrisgregory.com From music at johndenosky.com Fri Oct 7 22:58:05 2011 From: music at johndenosky.com (John DeNosky) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 21:58:05 -0500 Subject: [microsound] =?utf-8?q?RIP=5FThe=5FSteve=5FDefending_Life?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Work_With_Words_of_a_Tyrant?= In-Reply-To: References: <1318037860.3386.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6153D587-E971-4D55-836B-4ABF4FAD1C00@johndenosky.com> Epic win, in my book! On Oct 7, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Chris Gregory wrote: > Maybe when anyone dies we should get together and assess them, like > teachers writing a school report card at the end of the year. The we'd > put the grade on their tombstone, like this: > > Steve Jobs > RIP > Grade: C+ > > And underneath: > > -failed to conform to social norms > -failed to single-handedly reform inequities of industrialised production > -could have dressed more appropriately > > > What a bunch of miserable, self-important sods. > > Chris > > On 8 October 2011 12:37, Michael Mantra wrote: >> >> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Defending-Lifes-Work-With-nytimes-2910052601.html?x=0 >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > > > > -- > Chris Gregory > --- > chris at chrisgregory.com > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From dara1339 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 8 01:27:41 2011 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 01:27:41 -0400 Subject: [microsound] =?windows-1252?q?RIP=5FThe=5FSteve=5FDefending_Life?= =?windows-1252?q?=92s_Work_With_Words_of_a_Tyrant?= In-Reply-To: References: <1318037860.3386.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > What a bunch of miserable, self-important sods. More the reason why the artists should produce intellectual & creative works to change our miserable mentality , and I guess the purpose of groups like this. This was even worse when Michael Jackson died, and the day after the bookstores in Toronto were filled with books and merchandises to make sure his death brought us revenues. Ridiculous titles in media: Is Jackson Worth More Dead Than Alive? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/07/earlyshow/main5139211.shtml A lot of what you read on passing of Mr. Jobs are again for making money and bringing fame for the journalists, analysts and all other dingbats. Some profit from praising him, some profit from insulting him. IMHO both are the same. Question is whether the creative folks here, and other places, are they going to bring to our attention these revolting practices that are ailing all our societies? D On 2011-10-07, at 10:14 PM, Chris Gregory wrote: > Maybe when anyone dies we should get together and assess them, like > teachers writing a school report card at the end of the year. 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URL: From pereshaped at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 05:33:07 2011 From: pereshaped at gmail.com (Pereshaped) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 11:33:07 +0200 Subject: [microsound] New Tools ,microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 16 Message-ID: Pulsaret, iDensity I played with Pulsaret this week and have to take my hat off to the developer for putting this together using Max/Msp. It seems like a good implementation of Pulsar synthesis, however I question its user interface complexity. Demo is too interfering to do anything worthwhile as it gives burst of noise every 10 seconds and times out after 10 minutes. It looks like it has potential and I imagine that inside Max4live it will be good fun. I liked iDensity on the iPad, straight forward GS but is limited as one cannot add samples or recordings from iTunes lib. http://www.densitygs.com/ On 7 October 2011 15:00, wrote: > Send microsound mailing list submissions to > ? ? ? ?microsound at or8.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ? ? ? ?http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ? ? ? ?microsound-request at or8.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ? ? ? ?microsound-owner at or8.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of microsound digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Aleks Vasic) > ? 2. Re: New Tools (David Newman) > ? 3. Re: New Tools (John DeNosky) > ? 4. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Renato Fabbri) > ? 5. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Kodan) > ? 6. Re: New Tools (Michael Sweeton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:36:24 -0400 > From: Aleks Vasic > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Me likee! > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Dan Graham wrote: > >> TrollingAround > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 07:30:08 +0100 > From: "David Newman" > To: > Subject: Re: [microsound] New Tools > Message-ID: <87B7232D79684437AAB6C4409EB9CE81 at audiobul6e8dab> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > http://www.audiobulb.com/create/Ambient/AB-Ambient.htm > > > David Newman > > ? http://www.audiomoves.com | Audiomoves > > Digital audio solutions > > ? http://www.audiobulb.com | Audiobulb > Records > Exploratory music > > > > ?_____ > > From: microsound-bounces at or8.net [mailto:microsound-bounces at or8.net] On > Behalf Of JM > Sent: 06 October 2011 23:59 > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: [microsound] New Tools > > > Howdy People. > > Was wondering are there any cool new Microsound tools out there? > Mac Or PC > > Cheers, > Jon McMillion. > > > ?_____ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4541 - Release Date: 10/06/11 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 01:34:53 -0500 > From: John DeNosky > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] New Tools > Message-ID: <76E33F96-BC21-4856-8F24-6891ABF2E96C at johndenosky.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > This looks great! ?10 seconds, and I'm buying! ?:) ?Thanks! > > J > On Oct 7, 2011, at 1:30 AM, David Newman wrote: > >> http://www.audiobulb.com/create/Ambient/AB-Ambient.htm >> >> David Newman >> >> http://www.audiomoves.com | Audiomoves > Digital audio solutions >> >> http://www.audiobulb.com | Audiobulb Records > Exploratory music >> >> >> >> From: microsound-bounces at or8.net [mailto:microsound-bounces at or8.net] On Behalf Of JM >> Sent: 06 October 2011 23:59 >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: [microsound] New Tools >> >> Howdy People. >> >> Was wondering are there any cool new Microsound tools out there? >> Mac Or PC >> >> Cheers, >> Jon McMillion. >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4541 - Release Date: 10/06/11 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 03:59:53 -0300 > From: Renato Fabbri > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Steve, From The Name Steven, Gender: Male, Origin: Greek > > Steven means Crowned One > > Jobs... > > getta job.. yeah right.. > > The "Crowned One of the Jobs" is dead. > > His death is one more that IMHO makes 2011 a turning point in this millennium. > > May he rest in peace. > > 2011/10/6 Aleks Vasic : >> Me likee! >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Dan Graham wrote: >> >> TrollingAround >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > > > > -- > GNU/Linux User #479299 > labmacambira.sf.net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 10:07:54 +0200 > From: Kodan > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > think different but don t be mean > ----- > Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. > http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=a29kYW44MTM1 > > > > 2011/10/7 Renato Fabbri > >> Steve, From The Name Steven, Gender: Male, Origin: Greek >> >> Steven means Crowned One >> >> Jobs... >> >> getta job.. yeah right.. >> >> The "Crowned One of the Jobs" is dead. >> >> His death is one more that IMHO makes 2011 a turning point in this >> millennium. >> >> May he rest in peace. >> >> 2011/10/6 Aleks Vasic : >> > Me likee! >> > On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Dan Graham wrote: >> > >> > TrollingAround >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > microsound mailing list >> > microsound at microsound.org >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> GNU/Linux User #479299 >> labmacambira.sf.net >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:00:10 +0100 > From: Michael Sweeton > To: microsound at or8.net > Subject: Re: [microsound] New Tools > Message-ID: <4E8EF7DA.6030108 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > Some apps I've been working on - http://www.sirenaudio.co.uk/ > > On 06/10/2011 23:59, JM wrote: >> Howdy People. >> >> Was wondering are there any cool new Microsound tools out there? >> Mac Or PC >> >> Cheers, >> Jon McMillion. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > End of microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 16 > ****************************************** > From dara1339 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 8 05:57:44 2011 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (?Dara Shayda) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 05:57:44 -0400 Subject: [microsound] New Tools ,microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have used Density extensively http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/thunders-discourse It is a magnificent composition tool, also it s a great tool to INVESTIGATE the natural sounds to find hidden-sounds normally not heard by human ears. The IPAD version is much easier to use, though the usual GUI is quite sophisticated and I just don't know how can someone make it simpler. D On 2011-10-08, at 5:33 AM, Pereshaped wrote: > Pulsaret, iDensity > > I played with Pulsaret this week and have to take my hat off to the > developer for putting this together using Max/Msp. > > It seems like a good implementation of Pulsar synthesis, however I > question its user interface complexity. Demo is too interfering to do > anything worthwhile as it gives burst of noise every 10 seconds and > times out after 10 minutes. It looks like it has potential and I > imagine that inside Max4live it will be good fun. > > I liked iDensity on the iPad, straight forward GS but is limited as > one cannot add samples or recordings from iTunes lib. > > http://www.densitygs.com/ > > > > On 7 October 2011 15:00, wrote: >> Send microsound mailing list submissions to >> microsound at or8.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> microsound-request at or8.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> microsound-owner at or8.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of microsound digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Aleks Vasic) >> 2. Re: New Tools (David Newman) >> 3. Re: New Tools (John DeNosky) >> 4. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Renato Fabbri) >> 5. Re: RIP Steve Jobs (Kodan) >> 6. Re: New Tools (Michael Sweeton) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:36:24 -0400 >> From: Aleks Vasic >> To: mIcrosound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Me likee! >> >> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Dan Graham wrote: >> >>> TrollingAround >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 07:30:08 +0100 >> From: "David Newman" >> To: >> Subject: Re: [microsound] New Tools >> Message-ID: <87B7232D79684437AAB6C4409EB9CE81 at audiobul6e8dab> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> http://www.audiobulb.com/create/Ambient/AB-Ambient.htm >> >> >> David Newman >> >> http://www.audiomoves.com | Audiomoves > >> Digital audio solutions >> >> http://www.audiobulb.com | Audiobulb >> Records > Exploratory music >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: microsound-bounces at or8.net [mailto:microsound-bounces at or8.net] On >> Behalf Of JM >> Sent: 06 October 2011 23:59 >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: [microsound] New Tools >> >> >> Howdy People. >> > Was wondering are there any cool new Microsound tools out there? >> Mac Or PC >> >> Cheers, >> Jon McMillion. >> >> >> _____ >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4541 - Release Date: 10/06/11 >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 01:34:53 -0500 >> From: John DeNosky >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] New Tools >> Message-ID: <76E33F96-BC21-4856-8F24-6891ABF2E96C at johndenosky.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> This looks great! 10 seconds, and I'm buying! :) Thanks! >> >> J >> On Oct 7, 2011, at 1:30 AM, David Newman wrote: >> >>> http://www.audiobulb.com/create/Ambient/AB-Ambient.htm >>> >>> David Newman >>> >>> http://www.audiomoves.com | Audiomoves > Digital audio solutions >>> >>> http://www.audiobulb.com | Audiobulb Records > Exploratory music >>> >>> >>> >>> From: microsound-bounces at or8.net [mailto:microsound-bounces at or8.net] On Behalf Of JM >>> Sent: 06 October 2011 23:59 >>> To: microsound at microsound.org >>> Subject: [microsound] New Tools >>> >> Howdy People. >>> >>> Was wondering are there any cool new Microsound tools out there? >>> Mac Or PC >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jon McMillion. >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4541 - Release Date: 10/06/11 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 03:59:53 -0300 >> From: Renato Fabbri >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Steve, From The Name Steven, Gender: Male, Origin: Greek >> >> Steven means Crowned One >> >> Jobs... >> >> getta job.. yeah right.. >> >> The "Crowned One of the Jobs" is dead. >> >> His death is one more that IMHO makes 2011 a turning point in this millennium. >> >> May he rest in peace. >> >> 2011/10/6 Aleks Vasic : >>> Me likee! >>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Dan Graham wrote: >>> >>> TrollingAround >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> GNU/Linux User #479299 >> labmacambira.sf.net >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 10:07:54 +0200 >> From: Kodan >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] RIP Steve Jobs >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> think different but don t be mean >> ----- >> Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. >> http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=a29kYW44MTM1 >> >> >> >> 2011/10/7 Renato Fabbri >> >>> Steve, From The Name Steven, Gender: Male, Origin: Greek >>> >>> Steven means Crowned One >>> >>> Jobs... >>> >>> getta job.. yeah right.. >>> >>> The "Crowned One of the Jobs" is dead. >>> >>> His death is one more that IMHO makes 2011 a turning point in this >>> millennium. >>> >>> May he rest in peace. >>> >>> 2011/10/6 Aleks Vasic : >>>> Me likee! >>>> On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:47 AM, Dan Graham wrote: >>>> >>>> TrollingAround >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> microsound mailing list >>>> microsound at microsound.org >>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> GNU/Linux User #479299 >>> labmacambira.sf.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:00:10 +0100 >> From: Michael Sweeton >> To: microsound at or8.net >> Subject: Re: [microsound] New Tools >> Message-ID: <4E8EF7DA.6030108 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" >> >> Some apps I've been working on - http://www.sirenaudio.co.uk/ >> >> On 06/10/2011 23:59, JM wrote: >>> Howdy People. >>> >>> Was wondering are there any cool new Microsound tools out there? >>> Mac Or PC >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jon McMillion. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> End of microsound Digest, Vol 34, Issue 16 >> ****************************************** >> > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From milan.lists at gmail.com Sat Oct 8 08:03:00 2011 From: milan.lists at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Milan_Davidovi=E6?=) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 08:03:00 -0400 Subject: [microsound] =?windows-1252?q?RIP=5FThe=5FSteve=5FDefending_Life?= =?windows-1252?q?=92s_Work_With_Words_of_a_Tyrant?= In-Reply-To: <1318037860.3386.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1318037860.3386.YahooMailClassic@web161404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Michael Mantra wrote: > > http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Defending-Lifes-Work-With-nytimes-2910052601.html?x=0 Perhaps we could leave it at, as Tim O'Reilly put it: "I don't want to take anything away from the guy, he was brilliant and uncompromising and wonderful, but there's a level of adulation that goes beyond what is merited." (which perhaps says as much about us as it does about Jobs) -- Milan Davidovi? http://twitter.com/altmilan http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://ca.linkedin.com/in/milandavidovic From dara1339 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 13 22:17:39 2011 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:17:39 -0400 Subject: [microsound] Compositions with Wavelets Message-ID: Hello Feature Extraction, e.g. Trend and DeTrend, performed by Wavelets have been used to compose music made the CO2 Gas Age geological data: http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/co2-fugue The code and diagrams and data are included: http://www.lossofgenerality.com/wavelets/2011/10/date-analysis-using-wavelets.html For Wavelet tutorials: http://www.lossofgenerality.com/wavelets/ All code and content under MIT GNU PUBLIC LICENSE 3. Earlier experiments with Wavelets compositions: http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/thus-sang-the-wingless Wavelet decomposition used to generate music from the gene expression patterns in moths and butterflies. http://soundcloud.com/dara-o-shayda/fall-berries Again Wavelet decomposition used to make music and beat from a photo of berries in fall time. The 'berries' formed the tune for a beat in the right channel while the edge detection of the branches generated the general melody. The compositions are based upon Wavelet package in Mathematica 8.0, MetaSynth and Density: http://www.uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/index.php http://www.densitygs.com/ Dara O Shayda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: [sending again with proper subject] This may seem a little naive given recent interest in it, but are there any recent academic writings that anyone knows of about the Schillinger system with regards to (post)digital composition (density groups etc.)? When I Google it I find references to things but no substantial writings. Can anyone help? Thanks! Greg From js0000 at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 14:33:53 2011 From: js0000 at gmail.com (john saylor) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:33:53 -0400 Subject: [microsound] wikileaks project reminder Message-ID: please send a note to the list when you upload your contribution. WIKILEAKS PROJECT ========= ======= take the audio from the helecopter footage and make something else out of it SPECIFICATIONS -------------- source URL: http://collateralmurder.org/ maximum length: 180 seconds accepted format[s]: FLAC, mp3 deadline: all entries must be in before 4 december 2011 notes ----- - please add tags to the audio with your [psuedo]name and the work's title - feel free to also submit a text file about your work - deadline is 1 year anniversary of paypal rejecting donations to wikileaks -- \js [http://or8.net/~johns/] : "What started with a kind of poetry turned into social war." -CR From js0000 at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 13:14:22 2011 From: js0000 at gmail.com (john saylor) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:14:22 -0400 Subject: [microsound] 10,000,000,000,000 digits of pi Message-ID: hi w00t! http://ja0hxv.calico.jp/pai/estart.html -- \js [http://or8.net/~johns/] : "What started with a kind of poetry turned into social war." -CR From deftoo at flxer.net Mon Oct 17 15:11:21 2011 From: deftoo at flxer.net (ioann maria . deftoo) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:11:21 +0100 Subject: [microsound] 10,000,000,000,000 digits of pi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: :))) On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:14 PM, john saylor wrote: > hi > > w00t! > > http://ja0hxv.calico.jp/pai/estart.html > > -- > \js [http://or8.net/~johns/] : "What started with a kind of poetry > turned into social war." -CR > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- ioann maria . deftoo www.ioannmaria.com -- LPM Live Performers Meeting Artistic director | Curatorial coordinator FLxER Performing Video Network and Software -- www.liveperformersmeeting.net www.flxer.net -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kim at anechoicmedia.com Sun Oct 23 00:12:38 2011 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 21:12:38 -0700 Subject: [microsound] Schillinger writings? Message-ID: <4EA39436.5080307@anechoicmedia.com> This may seem a little naive given recent interest in it, but are there any recent academic writings that anyone knows of about the Schillinger system with regards to (post)digital composition (density groups etc.)? When I Google it I find references to things but no substantial writings. Can anyone help? Greg, I'm guest editing an upcoming issue of Contemtorary Music Review that specifically focuses on Schillinger and electro-acoustic music...I'll post more info when I get some to share! ciao! kim From list at isjtar.org Sun Oct 23 04:47:28 2011 From: list at isjtar.org (isjtar) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:47:28 +0200 Subject: [microsound] Schillinger writings? In-Reply-To: <4EA39436.5080307@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4EA39436.5080307@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <7BD74AE2-AA30-469C-8900-B8651D91F1A4@isjtar.org> cool I'd be very interested in that. there's little around concerning schillinger and the books are so expensive... On 23 Oct 2011, at 06:12, Kim Cascone wrote: > > This may seem a little naive given recent interest in it, but are > there any recent academic writings that anyone knows of about the > Schillinger system with regards to (post)digital composition (density > groups etc.)? When I Google it I find references to things but no > substantial writings. Can anyone help? > > > Greg, > I'm guest editing an upcoming issue of Contemtorary Music Review that specifically focuses on Schillinger and electro-acoustic music...I'll post more info when I get some to share! > ciao! > kim > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From gerard.lebik at wp.pl Mon Oct 24 11:51:34 2011 From: gerard.lebik at wp.pl (gerard lebik) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:51:34 +0200 Subject: [microsound] music events or places in tokyo? Message-ID: <4ea58986cf2430.64283880@wp.pl> hallo Does anyone know some information about interesting music, events or places in tokyo? thanks From traktorman at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 12:00:13 2011 From: traktorman at gmail.com (tkrakowiak) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:00:13 -0400 Subject: [microsound] music events or places in tokyo? In-Reply-To: <4ea58986cf2430.64283880@wp.pl> References: <4ea58986cf2430.64283880@wp.pl> Message-ID: this one ;) http://emfp.pl/concerts/tokyo-2011/ On 24 October 2011 11:51, gerard lebik wrote: > hallo > Does anyone know some information about interesting music, events or places in tokyo? > thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From simonroychristensen at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 12:26:34 2011 From: simonroychristensen at gmail.com (Simon Roy Christensen) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 01:26:34 +0900 Subject: [microsound] music events or places in tokyo? In-Reply-To: <4ea58986cf2430.64283880@wp.pl> References: <4ea58986cf2430.64283880@wp.pl> Message-ID: I can recommend you to have a look at japanimprov.com 2011/10/25 gerard lebik > hallo > Does anyone know some information about interesting music, events or places > in tokyo? > thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wolfgang.gil at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 12:44:07 2011 From: wolfgang.gil at gmail.com (Wolfgang Gil) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:44:07 -0400 Subject: [microsound] music events or places in tokyo? In-Reply-To: <4ea58986cf2430.64283880@wp.pl> References: <4ea58986cf2430.64283880@wp.pl> Message-ID: Check out this record label http://www.matter.jp/ On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:51 AM, gerard lebik wrote: > hallo > Does anyone know some information about interesting music, events or places > in tokyo? > thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- http://www.wolfganggil.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ellis.gardiner at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:19:14 2011 From: ellis.gardiner at gmail.com (ellis.gardiner at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:19:14 +0000 Subject: [microsound] music events or places in tokyo? In-Reply-To: <4ea58986cf2430.64283880@wp.pl> References: <4ea58986cf2430.64283880@wp.pl> Message-ID: <2002878672-1319476360-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1657024564-@b13.c9.bise7.blackberry> T Sent using BlackBerry? from Orange -----Original Message----- From: "gerard lebik" Sender: microsound-bounces at or8.net Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:51:34 To: microsound Reply-To: microsound at microsound.org Subject: [microsound] music events or places in tokyo? hallo Does anyone know some information about interesting music, events or places in tokyo? thanks _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound at microsound.org http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From f_ingrassia at riseup.net Thu Oct 27 22:14:08 2011 From: f_ingrassia at riseup.net (franco ingrassia) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:14:08 -0300 Subject: [microsound] feedback References: <4ea58986cf2430.64283880@wp.pl> <2002878672-1319476360-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1657024564-@b13.c9.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: hi! I'd love to get some feedback on this http://audiodelica.bandcamp.com/album/ep3-fftjazz cheers f. From dara1339 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 27 22:41:29 2011 From: dara1339 at hotmail.com (Dara Shayda) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:41:29 -0400 Subject: [microsound] feedback In-Reply-To: References: <4ea58986cf2430.64283880@wp.pl> <2002878672-1319476360-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1657024564-@b13.c9.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: I like fftjazz1 3:00 and on, ddtjaz2 1:17 and on, very nice. Thank you for sharing D On 2011-10-27, at 10:14 PM, franco ingrassia wrote: > hi! > > I'd love to get some feedback on this > http://audiodelica.bandcamp.com/album/ep3-fftjazz > > cheers > > f. > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From phillipthomas at hotmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:55:49 2011 From: phillipthomas at hotmail.com (Phillip) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:55:49 +0100 Subject: [microsound] Max 6 Message-ID: Has anyone got it yet? Sent from my iPad From danalogue at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 06:58:05 2011 From: danalogue at gmail.com (Dan Graham) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:58:05 -0700 Subject: [microsound] Max 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: got what? On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:55 AM, Phillip wrote: > Has anyone got it yet? > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From js0000 at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 11:52:01 2011 From: js0000 at gmail.com (john saylor) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:52:01 -0400 Subject: [microsound] Max 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 06:58, Dan Graham wrote: > got what? a clue /rimshot [many other punchlines are possible] -- \js [http://or8.net/~johns/] : "What started with a kind of poetry turned into social war." -CR From ianblake at netspeed.com.au Sun Oct 30 13:56:03 2011 From: ianblake at netspeed.com.au (Ian Blake) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:56:03 +1100 Subject: [microsound] microsound and other events in Vancouver Message-ID: Hello all I'll be in Vancouver, November 1 to 9. Can anyone recommend some good listening? (I enjoy folk and early music too.) thanks, Ian From joostvdm at gmail.com Sun Oct 30 16:55:02 2011 From: joostvdm at gmail.com (Joost van der Molen) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 21:55:02 +0100 Subject: [microsound] microsound and other events in Vancouver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The barnacles at Kits Beach :) On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Ian Blake wrote: > Hello all > > I'll be in Vancouver, November 1 to 9. Can anyone recommend some good listening? (I enjoy folk and early music too.) > > thanks, > > Ian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From f_ingrassia at riseup.net Mon Oct 31 00:13:45 2011 From: f_ingrassia at riseup.net (franco ingrassia) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 01:13:45 -0300 Subject: [microsound] feedback References: <4ea58986cf2430.64283880@wp.pl><2002878672-1319476360-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1657024564-@b13.c9.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <5A0E92C7F25145EA92E7C52D395AD62A@xx738444b8b120> thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dara Shayda" To: Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] feedback >I like fftjazz1 3:00 and on, ddtjaz2 1:17 and on, very nice. > > Thank you for sharing > > D