[microsound] max/msp on linux... better Pd then [WAS] OT: laptop for permanent sound installation - suggestions?

[Bernardo Barros]

I droped max/msp 5 years ago for SuperCollider, that was the best
think I ever did.
I use PD but not offen. For me max4 and PD are very similar. Max 5
just don't feel right for me, but it ou are happy...

2010/11/5 Michal Seta <mis at artengine.ca>:
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Bernardo Barros
> <bernardobarros2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It
>> uses a heavy GUI system based on OpenGL...
>
> After about 5 minutes of googling I could not find any hint at the
> fact that MaxMSP5 GUI is based on OpenGL.  Do you have any references?
>  I would be surprised if that was in fact true.
>
>> *much more memory and CPU*
>> --- without any advantages in terms of sound.
>
> If the GUI was in fact somehow based on OpenGL you would not see any
> impact on the CPU.  OpenGL is supposed run on the GPU and use the
> GPU's memory.  I do agree, however, that Max5 GUI seems less
> efficient, at least in my perception.  I have also once stumbled upon
> some discussion on the C74 forum where people were benchmarking the
> performance of Max5 vs. Max4.6 and it appears that the former performs
> better (in terms of audio computation) although the developers claim
> that there were no significant changes to the audio engine.  I am
> sorry, I did not bookmark that reference and cannot find it anymore
> but if anyone has the time and patience to find it, please let me
> know, I would like to read it again.
>
>> It uses a strange file format, not easily redable and probably will
>> have problems with compatibility in the future.
>
> The strange file format is called JSON.  It is more readable than the
> previous binary format and still better readable than the previous
> text format.  Perhaps there are some problems with that format, I
> don't know it well enough to have an opinion but I doubt that it will
> break compatibility in the future, I am sure C74 developers will make
> sure that patches are readable in all future Max versions.
>
>> PD is free software, use open formats and have much more potentials to develop.
>
> Pd has inherited similar text file format (as the previous versions of
> Max).  While this format has some advantages it also has some serious
> flaws.  But I will not bore you with details. In any case, JSON format
> of Max5 makes Max patches unreadable with cyclone in Pd (but it still
> works for Max4.x patches, as someone else mentioned, as long as they
> are saved in text format).
>
> Both systems evolve in different ways and make different people happy.
>  They both have some strong and weak points.  There was enough ASCII
> spilled to debate the superiority of one over the other already on
> various forums, mailing lists and blogs and I have no intention of
> adding to that.  I simply wanted rectify the errors in information.
>
> ./MiS
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