From roger at eartrumpet.org Sun Jan 3 18:46:54 2010 From: roger at eartrumpet.org (Roger Mills) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:46:54 +1100 Subject: [microsound] realtime net audio platforms In-Reply-To: <8925530d0911180614y66303febvc0036b5885055b7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8925530d0911180614y66303febvc0036b5885055b7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <06C962EB-A9EE-4A14-B3E3-AAA031B4C6AE@eartrumpet.org> Hi Joao, In November I posted a call for information on realtime net audio platforms and you posted some details about the Tube Platform. Can I ask what the nature of your musical outcome was ? Was it improvising with other remote participants ? Can I hear anything you made in Tube ? I am writing a paper on improvisation in realtime audio platforms and am interested in what the forms of improvisation people have engaged in. Thanks in advance Roger -- Roger Mills http://www.eartrumpet.org http://www.furthernoise.org http://ethernetorchestra.netpraxis.net M: 0403 414495 On 19/11/2009, at 1:14 AM, Joao Ricardo wrote: > Here's one I've used with relative success: http://www.t-u-b-e.de/ > It's not very stable but latency is insignificant. > > Cheers, > Jo?o > -- > http://ocp.pt.vu > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roger at eartrumpet.org Sun Jan 3 19:21:49 2010 From: roger at eartrumpet.org (Roger Mills) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:21:49 +1100 Subject: [microsound] Improvisation in realtime net audio platforms In-Reply-To: <06C962EB-A9EE-4A14-B3E3-AAA031B4C6AE@eartrumpet.org> References: <8925530d0911180614y66303febvc0036b5885055b7c@mail.gmail.com> <06C962EB-A9EE-4A14-B3E3-AAA031B4C6AE@eartrumpet.org> Message-ID: <7F8AF2DC-5A77-48BB-BE86-96E8DFCBCF6A@eartrumpet.org> Hi Everyone, As some of you will know from previous posts, I am currently researching the nature of improvisation in networked audio platforms like ninjam, eJamming or any other, and am posting this as a request for information / experiences about remote improvisatory collaborations anyone has had. Feel free to email me off list pointing out links to works or projects..who was involved, what instruments you/they played/ how the improvisation was started..what your experiences were. Thanks Roger -- Roger Mills http://www.eartrumpet.org http://www.furthernoise.org http://ethernetorchestra.netpraxis.net M: 0403 414495 On 04/01/2010, at 10:46 AM, Roger Mills wrote: > Hi Joao, > In November I posted a call for information on realtime net audio > platforms and you posted some details about the Tube Platform. > > Can I ask what the nature of your musical outcome was ? > > Was it improvising with other remote participants ? > > Can I hear anything you made in Tube ? > > I am writing a paper on improvisation in realtime audio platforms > and am interested in what the forms of improvisation people have > engaged in. > > Thanks in advance > Roger > > > -- > Roger Mills > http://www.eartrumpet.org > http://www.furthernoise.org > > http://ethernetorchestra.netpraxis.net > > M: 0403 414495 > > > On 19/11/2009, at 1:14 AM, Joao Ricardo wrote: > >> Here's one I've used with relative success: http://www.t-u-b-e.de/ >> It's not very stable but latency is insignificant. >> >> Cheers, >> Jo?o >> -- >> http://ocp.pt.vu >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ilagam at sympatico.ca Sun Jan 3 21:47:21 2010 From: ilagam at sympatico.ca (Magali Babin) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:47:21 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Improvisation in realtime net audio platforms References: <8925530d0911180614y66303febvc0036b5885055b7c@mail.gmail.com><06C962EB-A9EE-4A14-B3E3-AAA031B4C6AE@eartrumpet.org> <7F8AF2DC-5A77-48BB-BE86-96E8DFCBCF6A@eartrumpet.org> Message-ID: Hi Roger I'M Magali Babin and i play improve music since very long time. The most different experience i'm living is improve live music on streaming. Since a few years ago i'm on a web project who generates in real time infinite audio-visual sequences. It's call : nocinema.org Maybe if you don't know this project you could be intersing by. With J?r?me Joy i played one time music on streaming with others musician (1 from Belgium, the second from Paris, i was in Montreal) by skype it was a very strange and unique experience in the same time. All programmation, web design is developed by J?r?me Joy, French artist and composer and the audio file is continuously developed by the nocinema team witch I be long to. Go take a look on the web site http://nocinema.org/ (all details is explain in a better way than i could do) Maybe for your research you'll be intersting by the radiomix section to. Hope you'll like it Magali Babin myspace.com/magalibabin http://www.electrocd.com/fr/bio/babin_ma/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Mills To: microsound at microsound.org Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:21 PM Subject: [microsound] Improvisation in realtime net audio platforms Hi Everyone, As some of you will know from previous posts, I am currently researching the nature of improvisation in networked audio platforms like ninjam, eJamming or any other, and am posting this as a request for information / experiences about remote improvisatory collaborations anyone has had. Feel free to email me off list pointing out links to works or projects..who was involved, what instruments you/they played/ how the improvisation was started..what your experiences were. Thanks Roger -- Roger Mills http://www.eartrumpet.org http://www.furthernoise.org http://ethernetorchestra.netpraxis.net M: 0403 414495 On 04/01/2010, at 10:46 AM, Roger Mills wrote: Hi Joao, In November I posted a call for information on realtime net audio platforms and you posted some details about the Tube Platform. Can I ask what the nature of your musical outcome was ? Was it improvising with other remote participants ? Can I hear anything you made in Tube ? I am writing a paper on improvisation in realtime audio platforms and am interested in what the forms of improvisation people have engaged in. Thanks in advance Roger -- Roger Mills http://www.eartrumpet.org http://www.furthernoise.org http://ethernetorchestra.netpraxis.net M: 0403 414495 On 19/11/2009, at 1:14 AM, Joao Ricardo wrote: Here's one I've used with relative success: http://www.t-u-b-e.de/ It's not very stable but latency is insignificant. Cheers, Jo?o -- http://ocp.pt.vu _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound at microsound.org http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound at microsound.org http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound at microsound.org http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rlainhart at otownmedia.com Tue Jan 5 20:35:46 2010 From: rlainhart at otownmedia.com (Richard Lainhart) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:35:46 -0500 Subject: [microsound] ***microacoustic music project*** In-Reply-To: <4B280DB1.8040309@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B280DB1.8040309@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <9D085438-A0C6-4110-81C6-4A5AFF4BEA51@otownmedia.com> I've uploaded a file to the repository: "still", for 1892 Steinway Model A, played with 9 ebows and 2 fingers. Purely acoustic, unprocessed, unedited. > .microsound community project: microacoustic music > > what is .microsound? what will it sound like in 10 years time? > is it purely music made via digital means or can it shape shift into using acoustic musical instruments? > what is the sound of microacoustic music? > let's find out > each microsound member gets a chance to describe what microacoustic music sounds like to them Richard Lainhart http://www.otownmedia.com http://www.downloadplatform.com/richard_lainhart http://www.vimeo.com/rlainhart http://www.youtube.com/rlainhart http://richardlainhart.bandcamp.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benreviug at yahoo.com Wed Jan 6 04:29:07 2010 From: benreviug at yahoo.com (guiver ben) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 01:29:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] OvalProcess Software look-alike application In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <542297.77899.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> lloopp's great, frankly, and you dont need ot be a quantum physicist to use it either. there;'s also a good interview with marcus popp in sound on sound, which you can pull off the net, if you havent done so already. --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Thierry Bernard Gotteland wrote: > From: Thierry Bernard Gotteland > Subject: [microsound] OvalProcess Software look-alike application > To: microsound at or8.net > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 5:54 PM > Hi guys, > well, does any one have something related to the Oval > Process Software? > a Max MSp patch to share or something ? > > -- > KindRegards > > TBG > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From thierrybernardgotteland at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 04:36:58 2010 From: thierrybernardgotteland at gmail.com (Thierry Bernard Gotteland) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:36:58 +0700 Subject: [microsound] OvalProcess Software look-alike application In-Reply-To: <542297.77899.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <542297.77899.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, but done all already... On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:29 PM, guiver ben wrote: > lloopp's great, frankly, and you dont need ot be a quantum physicist to use > it either. there;'s also a good interview with marcus popp in sound on > sound, which you can pull off the net, if you havent done so already. > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Thierry Bernard Gotteland < > thierrybernardgotteland at gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Thierry Bernard Gotteland > > Subject: [microsound] OvalProcess Software look-alike application > > To: microsound at or8.net > > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 5:54 PM > > Hi guys, > > well, does any one have something related to the Oval > > Process Software? > > a Max MSp patch to share or something ? > > > > -- > > KindRegards > > > > TBG > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- KindRegards Thierry Bernard-Gotteland Mobil:+84 935 184 913 www.tb-g.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hasse at algonet.se Wed Jan 6 08:57:27 2010 From: hasse at algonet.se (Hans Erik Nilsson) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:57:27 +0100 Subject: [microsound] OvalProcess Software look-alike application In-Reply-To: <542297.77899.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you have/get NI Reaktor, these two patches might do want you want; http://korta.nu/8e10 http://korta.nu/af24 /Cheers, /Hans Den 2010-01-06 10.29, skrev "guiver ben" : > lloopp's great, frankly, and you dont need ot be a quantum physicist to use it > either. there;'s also a good interview with marcus popp in sound on sound, > which you can pull off the net, if you havent done so already. > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Thierry Bernard Gotteland > wrote: > >> From: Thierry Bernard Gotteland >> Subject: [microsound] OvalProcess Software look-alike application >> To: microsound at or8.net >> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 5:54 PM >> Hi guys, >> well, does any one have something related to the Oval >> Process Software? >> a Max MSp patch to share or something ? >> >> -- >> KindRegards >> >> TBG >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound Mr. Hans Erik Nilsson | Voice: +46 73 6636331 | | Standard disclaimer file active | "There are many futures and only one status quo" - Brian Eno From lorenzobrutti80 at gmail.com Wed Jan 6 09:03:31 2010 From: lorenzobrutti80 at gmail.com (Lorenzo Brutti) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:03:31 +0100 Subject: [microsound] sounds of ms pulsars Message-ID: <4B449833.8020800@gmail.com> http://www.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de/staff/pfreire/47Tuc/ just a small google search result. hope you like it Lorenzo From benjol at gmx.de Wed Jan 6 10:19:01 2010 From: benjol at gmx.de (Benjamin Federer) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:19:01 +0100 Subject: [microsound] sounds of ms pulsars In-Reply-To: <4B449833.8020800@gmail.com> References: <4B449833.8020800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B44A9E5.3030903@gmx.de> Don't know if this has been posted before (not so long on this list, so hello everybody), but Joachim Ernst Berendt, a German Jazz producer and radio journalist used some great pulsar sounds in a radio production based on his book "Nada Brahma ? Die Welt ist Klang" (the world is sound, more or less). Some sound like really funky latin percussion, when played at a lower speed, for example. If I recall correctly the sounds were also produced by those researchers of Bonn. If you can find it somewhere ? and most of all understand German ? it should look something like this: http://www.auditorium-netzwerk.de/AutorInnen/Berendt-Joachim-Ernst/Berendt-Joachim-Ernst-Die-Welt-ist-Klang-Vom-Hoeren-der-Welt-Muscheln-in-meinem-Ohr::1974.html (could not find a better link at this time, sorry. the production has grown almost antique in the meantime...) best .beni Am 06.01.10 15:03, schrieb Lorenzo Brutti: > http://www.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de/staff/pfreire/47Tuc/ > > just a small google search result. > > hope you like it > Lorenzo > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Jan 6 20:21:11 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:21:11 -0800 Subject: [microsound] resend: ***microacoustic music project*** Message-ID: <4B453707.2040908@anechoicmedia.com> .microsound community project: microacoustic music what is .microsound? what will it sound like in 10 years time? is it purely music made via digital means or can it shape shift into using acoustic musical instruments? what is the sound of microacoustic music? let's find out each microsound member gets a chance to describe what microacoustic music sounds like to them GUIDELINES: - length: all works must be 2 minutes maximum - deadline: February 1 2010 - mp3 files: filenames use only ALPHANUMERICS; i.e. NO spaces (underbars_and-hyphens-are-OK), stereo, encoded at 192 - 320kbps and have ID3 tags!! please make sure they have ID3 tags! content: all sound sources are acoustic musical instruments with NO processing other than the following: - mixing/layering - editing (cut 'n paste) - slowing down or speeding up - filtering/EQ instruments can be detuned, woodwinds played as percussion, stick a sax mouthpiece on a bassoon, contact mic'd, deconstructed, use extended techniques, destroyed or played 'properly' then (de)composed in editing files should be placed here: http://www.microsound.org/repository/ there is also a link on the microsound.org front page ***you MUST be sub'd to the list before you are allowed to upload files the server checks for you against the list of sub'ers if you are having trouble write to Paulo or John and ask them to update the list (has to be done by hand IIRC) ___remember to name and tag your files properly or they will be taken down___ From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Jan 6 20:25:17 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:25:17 -0800 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic pieces so far Message-ID: <4B4537FD.5030504@anechoicmedia.com> there are some new pieces up: http://www.microsound.org/projects/project.php?name=microacoustic_music check them out *anyone have a microacoustic themed background image for the web page? From palace at guero.sr.unh.edu Thu Jan 7 09:36:16 2010 From: palace at guero.sr.unh.edu (Michael Palace) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:36:16 -0500 Subject: [microsound] resend: ***microacoustic music project*** In-Reply-To: <4B453707.2040908@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B453707.2040908@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4B45F160.7020501@guero.sr.unh.edu> I understand the acoustic sound sources, but does this include field recordings or ambient sounds. Also, with mixing and layering and filtering and EQing you can basically can generate most effects. Also with cuting and pasting and speeding and slowing down you do all sorts of stuff similar to grain sampling. Mike horchata Kim Cascone wrote: > .microsound community project: microacoustic music > > what is .microsound? what will it sound like in 10 years time? > is it purely music made via digital means or can it shape shift into > using acoustic musical instruments? > what is the sound of microacoustic music? > let's find out > each microsound member gets a chance to describe what microacoustic > music sounds like to them > > > GUIDELINES: > > - length: all works must be 2 minutes maximum > > - deadline: February 1 2010 > > - mp3 files: filenames use only ALPHANUMERICS; i.e. NO spaces > (underbars_and-hyphens-are-OK), stereo, encoded at 192 - 320kbps and > have ID3 tags!! please make sure they have ID3 tags! > > content: all sound sources are acoustic musical instruments > with NO processing other than the following: > - mixing/layering > - editing (cut 'n paste) > - slowing down or speeding up > - filtering/EQ > > instruments can be detuned, woodwinds played as percussion, stick a sax > mouthpiece on a bassoon, contact mic'd, deconstructed, use extended > techniques, destroyed or played 'properly' then (de)composed in editing > > files should be placed here: > > http://www.microsound.org/repository/ > > there is also a link on the microsound.org front page > > ***you MUST be sub'd to the list before you are allowed to upload files > > the server checks for you against the list of sub'ers > > if you are having trouble write to Paulo or John and ask them to update > the list > (has to be done by hand IIRC) > > ___remember to name and tag your files properly or they will be taken > down___ > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From cyborgk at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 16:15:59 2010 From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:15:59 -0600 Subject: [microsound] Sonic Warfare Message-ID: <686ba4e41001071315q363e747eue718c9c603f056b3@mail.gmail.com> Has anyone read "Sonic Warfare: Sound, Affect, and the Ecology of Fear" by Steve Goodman? Looks very interesting... http://rhizome.org/editorial/3196#more From pprice at speakeasy.net Thu Jan 7 16:40:28 2010 From: pprice at speakeasy.net (peter price) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:40:28 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Sonic Warfare In-Reply-To: <686ba4e41001071315q363e747eue718c9c603f056b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <686ba4e41001071315q363e747eue718c9c603f056b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3B8B4F1F-D76E-4793-8BE8-0C34D9E7F00F@speakeasy.net> i am reading this carefully right now... I am finding it very interesting. Might be offputting for people who are not comfortable with a post-deleuzian thinking space. I would be very curious what anyone else thinks. On Jan 7, 2010, at 4:15 PM, David Powers wrote: > Has anyone read "Sonic Warfare: Sound, Affect, and the Ecology of > Fear" by Steve Goodman? Looks very interesting... > http://rhizome.org/editorial/3196#more > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From roger at eartrumpet.org Fri Jan 8 00:50:27 2010 From: roger at eartrumpet.org (roger at eartrumpet.org) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:50:27 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Does anyone remember Collaborative Wb MIDI platforms Message-ID: <380-2201015855027660@M2W111.mail2web.com> Hi All, Does anyone remember multi-user Internet MIDI platforms in the 1990s like resrocket or LiveJam ? Any experiences of collaborating / improvising in them ? Best wishes Roger -- Roger Mills http://www.eartrumpet.org htp://www.furthernoise.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft? Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange From thierrybernardgotteland at gmail.com Fri Jan 8 00:56:10 2010 From: thierrybernardgotteland at gmail.com (Thierry Bernard Gotteland) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:56:10 +0700 Subject: [microsound] resend: ***microacoustic music project*** In-Reply-To: <4B45F160.7020501@guero.sr.unh.edu> References: <4B453707.2040908@anechoicmedia.com> <4B45F160.7020501@guero.sr.unh.edu> Message-ID: Uhm, I guess it's quite clear, all is written into the content part: 4 one time, something that restraints the use of mega fx, and the digital ubiquitous reign it's pretty good, thanks Kim! *TBG* On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Michael Palace wrote: > I understand the acoustic sound sources, but does this include field > recordings or ambient sounds. > Also, with mixing and layering and filtering and EQing you can basically > can generate most effects. > Also with cuting and pasting and speeding and slowing down you do all sorts > of stuff similar to grain sampling. > Mike > horchata > > > Kim Cascone wrote: > >> .microsound community project: microacoustic music >> >> what is .microsound? what will it sound like in 10 years time? >> is it purely music made via digital means or can it shape shift into >> using acoustic musical instruments? >> what is the sound of microacoustic music? >> let's find out >> each microsound member gets a chance to describe what microacoustic >> music sounds like to them >> >> >> GUIDELINES: >> >> - length: all works must be 2 minutes maximum >> >> - deadline: February 1 2010 >> >> - mp3 files: filenames use only ALPHANUMERICS; i.e. NO spaces >> (underbars_and-hyphens-are-OK), stereo, encoded at 192 - 320kbps and >> have ID3 tags!! please make sure they have ID3 tags! >> >> content: all sound sources are acoustic musical instruments >> with NO processing other than the following: >> - mixing/layering >> - editing (cut 'n paste) >> - slowing down or speeding up >> - filtering/EQ >> >> instruments can be detuned, woodwinds played as percussion, stick a sax >> mouthpiece on a bassoon, contact mic'd, deconstructed, use extended >> techniques, destroyed or played 'properly' then (de)composed in editing >> >> files should be placed here: >> >> http://www.microsound.org/repository/ >> >> there is also a link on the microsound.org front page >> >> ***you MUST be sub'd to the list before you are allowed to upload files >> >> the server checks for you against the list of sub'ers >> >> if you are having trouble write to Paulo or John and ask them to update >> the list >> (has to be done by hand IIRC) >> >> ___remember to name and tag your files properly or they will be taken >> down___ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- KindRegards Thierry Bernard-Gotteland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From analog_life at hotmail.com Fri Jan 8 03:02:44 2010 From: analog_life at hotmail.com (stephen r.) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:02:44 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Sonic Warfare In-Reply-To: <3B8B4F1F-D76E-4793-8BE8-0C34D9E7F00F@speakeasy.net> References: <686ba4e41001071315q363e747eue718c9c603f056b3@mail.gmail.com>, <3B8B4F1F-D76E-4793-8BE8-0C34D9E7F00F@speakeasy.net> Message-ID: Some context would be helpful. If you read far enough into this article, you'll see that Steve Goodman is aka Kode9, the DJ/Producer who's also the head of Hyperdub records. There was a great article in The Wire a few months back about him, Hyperdub and his "day job" as a PhD sound researcher and academic. This, indeed, might be off-putting without context. Start here, then work your way back to the Rhizome article: http://www.thewire.co.uk/articles/2439/ -- Stephen R. :: Pixel Pusher / Sound Wrangler --------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.myspace.com/djstephenr http://architectheroes.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/zygote --------------------------------------------------------------- > From: pprice at speakeasy.net > To: microsound at microsound.org > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [microsound] Sonic Warfare > > i am reading this carefully right now... > > I am finding it very interesting. Might be offputting for people who > are not comfortable with a post-deleuzian thinking space. I would be > very curious what anyone else thinks. > > > On Jan 7, 2010, at 4:15 PM, David Powers wrote: > > > Has anyone read "Sonic Warfare: Sound, Affect, and the Ecology of > > Fear" by Steve Goodman? Looks very interesting... > > http://rhizome.org/editorial/3196#more > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es Sat Jan 9 04:56:55 2010 From: mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jaime_Mun=E1rriz_Ortiz?=) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:56:55 +0100 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic music project piece Message-ID: <4B4852E7.1080503@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> I uploaded apiece for the microacoustic music project. It's based on field recordings at a stone beach after a heavy storm. I walk on broken canes. I stretched, cut, edited, layered and equalized the takes. I really wanted to apply other forms of sound processing, but I restrained. Anyhow, maybe it is too transformed for you request... ? I mean, maybe you want us to preserve the natural sounds so they can be recognized? From mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es Sat Jan 9 05:50:17 2010 From: mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jaime_Mun=E1rriz_Ortiz?=) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:50:17 +0100 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic music project image Message-ID: <4B485F69.3090500@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> "*anyone have a microacoustic themed background image for the web page?" I uploaded an Image that could fit. Two versions, normal and subdued as a background. They are at 'Home / projects / microacoustic_music' Check it and see if it fits. cheers From benreviug at yahoo.com Sat Jan 9 07:55:42 2010 From: benreviug at yahoo.com (guiver ben) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 04:55:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] Sonic Warfare In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <363729.74283.qm@web52004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> here's some more context also: http://benguiver.blogspot.com/2007/04/kode9-interview.html --- On Fri, 1/8/10, stephen r. wrote: > From: stephen r. > Subject: Re: [microsound] Sonic Warfare > To: microsound at microsound.org > Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 8:02 AM > > > > > > Some context would be helpful. If you read far enough into > this article, you'll see that Steve Goodman is aka > Kode9, the DJ/Producer who's also the head of Hyperdub > records. There was a great article in The Wire a few months > back about him, Hyperdub and his "day job" as a > PhD sound researcher and academic. > > This, indeed, might be off-putting without context.? > Start here, then work your way back to the Rhizome article: > > http://www.thewire.co.uk/articles/2439/ > > -- > Stephen R. :: Pixel Pusher / Sound Wrangler > --------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.myspace.com/djstephenr > http://architectheroes.blogspot.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/zygote > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > From: pprice at speakeasy.net > > To: microsound at microsound.org > > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:40:28 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [microsound] Sonic Warfare > > > > i am reading this carefully right now... > > > > I am finding it very interesting. Might be offputting > for people who > > are not comfortable with a post-deleuzian thinking > space. I would be > > very curious what anyone else thinks. > > > > > > On Jan 7, 2010, at 4:15 PM, David Powers wrote: > > > > > Has anyone read "Sonic Warfare: Sound, > Affect, and the Ecology of > > > Fear" by Steve Goodman? Looks very > interesting... > > > http://rhizome.org/editorial/3196#more > > > _______________________________________________ > > > microsound mailing list > > > microsound at microsound.org > > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From paulo.mouat at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 09:11:18 2010 From: paulo.mouat at gmail.com (Paulo Mouat) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:11:18 -0500 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic music project image In-Reply-To: <4B485F69.3090500@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> References: <4B485F69.3090500@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> Message-ID: <424ce301001090611y5b4f3635x45554b308e0dd188@mail.gmail.com> If you follow the folder and naming conventions of projects in the repository (just check the folder and file names of the other projects), the image will be automatically picked up by the project page. //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0 On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jaime Mun?rriz Ortiz < mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> wrote: > "*anyone have a microacoustic themed background image for the web page?" > I uploaded an Image that could fit. Two versions, normal and subdued as a > background. > They are at 'Home / projects / microacoustic_music' > Check it and see if it fits. > cheers > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d4l3d at inbox.com Sat Jan 9 20:56:13 2010 From: d4l3d at inbox.com (d4l3d) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:56:13 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cyborgk at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 21:29:32 2010 From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:29:32 -0600 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a strange coincidence? ~David On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d wrote: > > Found this interesting. > > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this was recently posted through Slashdot: > > http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world > > May be useful to someone. > > ?? s??? 4?? n ?s [moi] > > ________________________________ > Free 3D Earth Screensaver > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at www.inbox.com/earth > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From ionizing at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 22:16:49 2010 From: ionizing at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 22:16:49 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> References: <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes but in perception. it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio in the natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of nature On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers wrote: > My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery > is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a > strange coincidence? > > ~David > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d wrote: > > > > Found this interesting. > > > > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this was > recently posted through Slashdot: > > > > > http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world > > > > May be useful to someone. > > > > s 4 n s [moi] > > > > ________________________________ > > Free 3D Earth Screensaver > > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at > www.inbox.com/earth > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cyborgk at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 01:03:31 2010 From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:03:31 -0600 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: References: <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the practice of music? *** Hypothesis: Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers, until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic mathematics--the language of utopia. ~David On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes but in > perception.? it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio in the > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of nature > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers wrote: >> >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a >> strange coincidence? >> >> ~David >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d wrote: >> > >> > Found this interesting. >> > >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this was >> > recently posted through Slashdot: >> > >> > >> > http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world >> > >> > May be useful to someone. >> > >> > ?? s??? 4?? n ?s [moi] >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > Free 3D Earth Screensaver >> > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at >> > www.inbox.com/earth >> > _______________________________________________ >> > microsound mailing list >> > microsound at microsound.org >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > From mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es Sun Jan 10 06:35:27 2010 From: mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jaime_Mun=E1rriz_Ortiz?=) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:35:27 +0100 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic music project image Message-ID: <4B49BB7F.8090901@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> Sorry, but I've checked all the project pages and I don't see any image anywhere. What am I doing wrong? From paulo.mouat at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 08:50:11 2010 From: paulo.mouat at gmail.com (Paulo Mouat) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 08:50:11 -0500 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic music project image In-Reply-To: <4B49BB7F.8090901@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> References: <4B49BB7F.8090901@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> Message-ID: <424ce301001100550t3fa4e8ffl719027b5306d8f1a@mail.gmail.com> If you go to e.g. the bufferFuct page ( http://www.microsound.org/projects/project.php?name=bufferFuct), you'll see a project page with header, footer and background images. There are stored in the info subfolder in the repository, with a naming convention that is self-explanatory. //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0 On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Jaime Mun?rriz Ortiz < mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> wrote: > Sorry, but I've checked all the project pages and I don't see any image > anywhere. > What am I doing wrong? > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From js0000 at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 10:43:55 2010 From: js0000 at gmail.com (john saylor) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:43:55 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: hola On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers wrote: > The musician struggles with numbers, > until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic > mathematics--the language of utopia. reading this brings up some questions: what is the sound of a number crying in pain? is it a microsound if the number evaluates < 1? are there irrational numbers in utopia? -- \js "war is over if you want it" -lennon & ono From ionizing at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 11:18:37 2010 From: ionizing at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 11:18:37 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 1) What do you mean by coherence? systematic consistency across all time and space scales 2) And how does this relate to the practice of music? the universe is a complete whole On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers wrote: > What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the > practice of music? > > *** > > Hypothesis: > Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what > is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers, > until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic > mathematics--the language of utopia. > > ~David > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: > > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes but > in > > perception. it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio in > the > > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of > nature > > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers wrote: > >> > >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery > >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a > >> strange coincidence? > >> > >> ~David > >> > >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d wrote: > >> > > >> > Found this interesting. > >> > > >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this was > >> > recently posted through Slashdot: > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world > >> > > >> > May be useful to someone. > >> > > >> > s 4 n s [moi] > >> > > >> > ________________________________ > >> > Free 3D Earth Screensaver > >> > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! 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URL: From auralbeesty at btinternet.com Sun Jan 10 12:46:12 2010 From: auralbeesty at btinternet.com (Chris Bullen) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:46:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: References: <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <817755.28563.qm@web87011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> When I first saw this appear in my mailbox, I thought it said "Golden Ratio Disco". Was not sure what it was going to be about but it looked as if this might be a kind of humorous approach or some mental piece of free/shareware. But no, it was back to the old classical attempt to find mathematical perfection. Over 30 years ago, when I was at art school, plenty of dull work was produce by colleagues claiming they were using a "Golden Section", certainly in straight painting it never made any great impression on me (one way or another), all I thought was "fuck it, school maths! I left home to get away from this". Cheers Chrisb ________________________________ From: Robert Lewis To: microsound at microsound.org Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2010 16:18:37 Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] 1) What do you mean by coherence? systematic consistency across all time and space scales 2) And how does this relate to the practice of music? the universe is a complete whole On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers wrote: What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the >practice of music? > >*** > >Hypothesis: >Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what >is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers, >until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic >mathematics--the language of utopia. > >~David > > >On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: >> there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes but in >> perception.? it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio in the >> natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of nature >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers wrote: >>> >>> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery >>> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a >>> strange coincidence? >>> >>> ~David >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d wrote: >>> > >>> > Found this interesting. >>> > >>> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this was >>> > recently posted through Slashdot: >>> > >>> > >>> > http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world >>> > >>> > May be useful to someone. >>> > >>> > ?? s??? 4?? n ?s [moi] >>> > >>> > ________________________________ >>> > Free 3D Earth Screensaver >>> > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at >>> > www.inbox.com/earth >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > microsound mailing list >>> > microsound at microsound.org >>> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >_______________________________________________ >microsound mailing list >microsound at microsound.org >http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cyborgk at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 13:19:21 2010 From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:19:21 -0600 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: References: <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <686ba4e41001101019r59dd3e34jd16189e490c1d484@mail.gmail.com> What is the sound of a number crying in pain? Robert Johnson singing the blues song "Hellhound On My Trail," or John Coltrane's saxophone playing in his later period. The question for us today is, can we imagine a "microblues"? I personally think we must exploit the dialectical tension between number and antinumber, and between construction and expression. One way to envision this is to subvert the typical procedures in post-serial or aleatoric music, which often involved the composer only in setting up the initial "rules of the game," and then letting the objective laws of the composition play themselves out. Instead, I suggest that we might set up arbitrary systems, but only for the purpose of struggling against and subverting those systems. ~David On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:43 AM, john saylor wrote: > hola > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers wrote: >> The musician struggles with numbers, >> until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic >> mathematics--the language of utopia. > > reading this brings up some questions: > what is the sound of a number crying in pain? > is it a microsound if the number evaluates < 1? > are there irrational numbers in utopia? > > -- > \js "war is over if you want it" -lennon & ono > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From cyborgk at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 13:45:49 2010 From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:45:49 -0600 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: <817755.28563.qm@web87011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> <817755.28563.qm@web87011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <686ba4e41001101045p50e3a8mcc3e0fd1e3f7d590@mail.gmail.com> As per these claims that "the universe is a complete whole," I can only say that if this is so, then in a world that produced Auschwitz, "the universe is a complete HELL." I prefer to imagine that reality is ontologically open, creation is incomplete, and freedom is a real though extremely fragile possibility. This profoundly influences my idea of music, in that I do not believe great music establishes some perfect mythical harmony between the smallest details and the whole. In my view, music should struggle against such ideological harmony, without necessarily abandoning all structure or denying the relationships between micro and macro structures. Late Beethoven piano pieces and string quartets are excellent examples of such an approach. I agree with you to an extent on "school maths", although I personally think that in the digital age, it's impossible to escape the reign of mathematics, and so perhaps we shouldn't ignore math but instead try to subvert it. PS. The idea of "Golden Ratio Disco" quite amuses me in some way, though I'm somewhat frightened to hear what such a thing sounds like! On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Chris Bullen wrote: > When I first saw this appear in my mailbox, I thought it said "Golden Ratio > Disco". > Was not sure what it was going to be about but it looked as if this might be > a kind of humorous approach or some mental piece of free/shareware. But no, > it was back to the old classical attempt to find mathematical perfection. > Over 30 years ago, when I was at art school, plenty of dull work was produce > by colleagues claiming they were using a "Golden Section", certainly in > straight painting it never made any great impression on me (one way or > another), all I thought was "fuck it, school maths! I left home to get away > from this". > Cheers Chrisb > ________________________________ > From: Robert Lewis > To: microsound at microsound.org > Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2010 16:18:37 > Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to > someone] > > 1) What do you mean by coherence? > > systematic consistency across all time and space scales > > 2) And how does this relate to the > practice of music? > > the universe is a complete whole > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers wrote: >> >> What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the >> practice of music? >> >> *** >> >> Hypothesis: >> Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what >> is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers, >> until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic >> mathematics--the language of utopia. >> >> ~David >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: >> > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes but >> > in >> > perception.? it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio in >> > the >> > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of >> > nature >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers wrote: >> >> >> >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery >> >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a >> >> strange coincidence? >> >> >> >> ~David >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Found this interesting. >> >> > >> >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this was >> >> > recently posted through Slashdot: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world >> >> > >> >> > May be useful to someone. >> >> > >> >> > ?? s??? 4?? n ?s [moi] >> >> > >> >> > ________________________________ >> >> > Free 3D Earth Screensaver >> >> > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at >> >> > www.inbox.com/earth >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > microsound mailing list >> >> > microsound at microsound.org >> >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> microsound mailing list >> >> microsound at microsound.org >> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > microsound mailing list >> > microsound at microsound.org >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > From ionizing at gmail.com Sun Jan 10 14:21:05 2010 From: ionizing at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:21:05 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: <686ba4e41001101045p50e3a8mcc3e0fd1e3f7d590@mail.gmail.com> References: <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> <817755.28563.qm@web87011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <686ba4e41001101045p50e3a8mcc3e0fd1e3f7d590@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: replace the word 'complete' with 'interdependent' in my phrase, and that is closer to what I meant.. 'the universe is an interdependent whole' On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM, David Powers wrote: > As per these claims that "the universe is a complete whole," I can > only say that if this is so, then in a world that produced Auschwitz, > "the universe is a complete HELL." > > I prefer to imagine that reality is ontologically open, creation is > incomplete, and freedom is a real though extremely fragile > possibility. > > This profoundly influences my idea of music, in that I do not believe > great music establishes some perfect mythical harmony between the > smallest details and the whole. In my view, music should struggle > against such ideological harmony, without necessarily abandoning all > structure or denying the relationships between micro and macro > structures. Late Beethoven piano pieces and string quartets are > excellent examples of such an approach. > > I agree with you to an extent on "school maths", although I personally > think that in the digital age, it's impossible to escape the reign of > mathematics, and so perhaps we shouldn't ignore math but instead try > to subvert it. > > PS. The idea of "Golden Ratio Disco" quite amuses me in some way, > though I'm somewhat frightened to hear what such a thing sounds like! > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Chris Bullen > wrote: > > When I first saw this appear in my mailbox, I thought it said "Golden > Ratio > > Disco". > > Was not sure what it was going to be about but it looked as if this might > be > > a kind of humorous approach or some mental piece of free/shareware. But > no, > > it was back to the old classical attempt to find mathematical perfection. > > Over 30 years ago, when I was at art school, plenty of dull work was > produce > > by colleagues claiming they were using a "Golden Section", certainly in > > straight painting it never made any great impression on me (one way or > > another), all I thought was "fuck it, school maths! I left home to get > away > > from this". > > Cheers Chrisb > > ________________________________ > > From: Robert Lewis > > To: microsound at microsound.org > > Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2010 16:18:37 > > Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to > > someone] > > > > 1) What do you mean by coherence? > > > > systematic consistency across all time and space scales > > > > 2) And how does this relate to the > > practice of music? > > > > the universe is a complete whole > > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers wrote: > >> > >> What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the > >> practice of music? > >> > >> *** > >> > >> Hypothesis: > >> Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what > >> is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers, > >> until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic > >> mathematics--the language of utopia. > >> > >> ~David > >> > >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis > wrote: > >> > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes > but > >> > in > >> > perception. it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio > in > >> > the > >> > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of > >> > nature > >> > > >> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery > >> >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a > >> >> strange coincidence? > >> >> > >> >> ~David > >> >> > >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Found this interesting. > >> >> > > >> >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this > was > >> >> > recently posted through Slashdot: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world > >> >> > > >> >> > May be useful to someone. > >> >> > > >> >> > s 4 n s [moi] > >> >> > > >> >> > ________________________________ > >> >> > Free 3D Earth Screensaver > >> >> > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! 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In-Reply-To: <4B27FFFC.10408@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B27FFFC.10408@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4B4B79DE.7050100@craque.net> count 1 for me Kim Cascone wrote: > I have an idea > headcount please? > then I'll explain > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From babilano at chello.nl Mon Jan 11 15:01:14 2010 From: babilano at chello.nl (babilano) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:01:14 +0100 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: References: <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> <817755.28563.qm@web87011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <686ba4e41001101045p50e3a8mcc3e0fd1e3f7d590@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I hereby swear to never refer to the holocaust or the nazi's to make a point ever again. serge On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM, David Powers wrote: As per these claims that "the universe is a complete whole," I can only say that if this is so, then in a world that produced Auschwitz, "the universe is a complete HELL." I prefer to imagine that reality is ontologically open, creation is incomplete, and freedom is a real though extremely fragile possibility. This profoundly influences my idea of music, in that I do not believe great music establishes some perfect mythical harmony between the smallest details and the whole. In my view, music should struggle against such ideological harmony, without necessarily abandoning all structure or denying the relationships between micro and macro structures. Late Beethoven piano pieces and string quartets are excellent examples of such an approach. I agree with you to an extent on "school maths", although I personally think that in the digital age, it's impossible to escape the reign of mathematics, and so perhaps we shouldn't ignore math but instead try to subvert it. PS. The idea of "Golden Ratio Disco" quite amuses me in some way, though I'm somewhat frightened to hear what such a thing sounds like! On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Chris Bullen wrote: > When I first saw this appear in my mailbox, I thought it said "Golden Ratio > Disco". > Was not sure what it was going to be about but it looked as if this might be > a kind of humorous approach or some mental piece of free/ shareware. But no, > it was back to the old classical attempt to find mathematical perfection. > Over 30 years ago, when I was at art school, plenty of dull work was produce > by colleagues claiming they were using a "Golden Section", certainly in > straight painting it never made any great impression on me (one way or > another), all I thought was "fuck it, school maths! I left home to get away > from this". > Cheers Chrisb > ________________________________ > From: Robert Lewis > To: microsound at microsound.org > Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2010 16:18:37 > Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to > someone] > > 1) What do you mean by coherence? > > systematic consistency across all time and space scales > > 2) And how does this relate to the > practice of music? > > the universe is a complete whole > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers wrote: >> >> What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the >> practice of music? >> >> *** >> >> Hypothesis: >> Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what >> is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers, >> until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic >> mathematics--the language of utopia. >> >> ~David >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis wrote: >> > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes but >> > in >> > perception. it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio in >> > the >> > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of >> > nature >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers wrote: >> >> >> >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery >> >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a >> >> strange coincidence? >> >> >> >> ~David >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Found this interesting. >> >> > >> >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this was >> >> > recently posted through Slashdot: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/ golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world >> >> > >> >> > May be useful to someone. >> >> > >> >> > s 4 n s [moi] >> >> > >> >> > ________________________________ >> >> > Free 3D Earth Screensaver >> >> > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! 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In-Reply-To: <4B4B79DE.7050100@craque.net> References: <4B27FFFC.10408@anechoicmedia.com> <4B4B79DE.7050100@craque.net> Message-ID: <0CAB693D-EB06-4DED-B279-F1E7A5F58303@lfsaw.de> count += 1 On 11.01.2010, at 20:19, Craque wrote: > count 1 for me > > Kim Cascone wrote: >> I have an idea >> headcount please? >> then I'll explain >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From cyborgk at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 16:57:00 2010 From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:57:00 -0600 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: References: <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> <817755.28563.qm@web87011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <686ba4e41001101045p50e3a8mcc3e0fd1e3f7d590@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <686ba4e41001111357t2281d763o53dcfcdc49cf4441@mail.gmail.com> There's a big difference between using these events to make a cheap shot and seriously reflecting on the implications they have for being human. To ignore them is to say that history doesn't matter; and I think history really DOES matter. I am also very influenced by philosophers related to the Jewish tradition (Benjamin, Adorno, Marx, Fromm, Freud, Scholem, Spinoza) and even, although I'm an atheist, aspects of the Judaic religion, such as the concept of "tikkun olem" ("repairing the world"). So there's a reason for my choice of example that you couldn't have known. Anyway, to me the idea of suffering, remembrance, and redemption is at the core of my artistic practice. I strongly believe that art should reflect the pain of human existence, and that we shouldn't try to gloss over how cruel the universe is and naively pretend we can live in harmony with the world as it exists now. Maybe you have a knee jerk reaction to the mention of Auschwitz, but it sounds like that's your problem; I fail to see how that would invalidate my statements... I could just as easily have mentioned a million other horrific historical events, I just picked the one that is most universally recognized as a catastrophe. ~David On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:01 PM, babilano wrote: > I hereby swear to never refer to the holocaust or the nazi's to make a point > ever again. > serge > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM, David Powers wrote: >> >> As per these claims that "the universe is a complete whole," I can >> only say that if this is so, then in a world that produced Auschwitz, >> "the universe is a complete HELL." >> >> I prefer to imagine that reality is ontologically open, creation is >> incomplete, and freedom is a real though extremely fragile >> possibility. >> >> This profoundly influences my idea of music, in that I do not believe >> great music establishes some perfect mythical harmony between the >> smallest details and the whole. In my view, music should struggle >> against such ideological harmony, without necessarily abandoning all >> structure or denying the relationships between micro and macro >> structures. Late Beethoven piano pieces and string quartets are >> excellent examples of such an approach. >> >> I agree with you to an extent on "school maths", although I personally >> think that in the digital age, it's impossible to escape the reign of >> mathematics, and so perhaps we shouldn't ignore math but instead try >> to subvert it. >> >> PS. The idea of "Golden Ratio Disco" quite amuses me in some way, >> though I'm somewhat frightened to hear what such a thing sounds like! >> >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Chris Bullen >> wrote: >> > When I first saw this appear in my mailbox, I thought it said "Golden >> > Ratio >> > Disco". >> > Was not sure what it was going to be about but it looked as if this >> > might be >> > a kind of humorous approach or some mental piece of free/shareware. But >> > no, >> > it was back to the old classical attempt to find mathematical >> > perfection. >> > Over 30 years ago, when I was at art school, plenty of dull work was >> > produce >> > by colleagues claiming they were using a "Golden Section", certainly in >> > straight painting it never made any great impression on me (one way or >> > another), all I thought was "fuck it, school maths! I left home to get >> > away >> > from this". >> > Cheers Chrisb >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Robert Lewis >> > To: microsound at microsound.org >> > Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2010 16:18:37 >> > Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to >> > someone] >> > >> > 1) What do you mean by coherence? >> > >> > systematic consistency across all time and space scales >> > >> > 2) And how does this relate to the >> > practice of music? >> > >> > the universe is a complete whole >> > >> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers wrote: >> >> >> >> What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the >> >> practice of music? >> >> >> >> *** >> >> >> >> Hypothesis: >> >> Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what >> >> is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers, >> >> until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic >> >> mathematics--the language of utopia. >> >> >> >> ~David >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis >> >> wrote: >> >> > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes >> >> > but >> >> > in >> >> > perception.? it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio >> >> > in >> >> > the >> >> > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of >> >> > nature >> >> > >> >> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery >> >> >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a >> >> >> strange coincidence? >> >> >> >> >> >> ~David >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Found this interesting. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this >> >> >> > was >> >> >> > recently posted through Slashdot: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world >> >> >> > >> >> >> > May be useful to someone. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ?? s??? 4?? n ?s [moi] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ________________________________ >> >> >> > Free 3D Earth Screensaver >> >> >> > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at >> >> >> > www.inbox.com/earth >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > microsound mailing list >> >> >> > microsound at microsound.org >> >> >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> microsound mailing list >> >> >> microsound at microsound.org >> >> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > microsound mailing list >> >> > microsound at microsound.org >> >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> microsound mailing list >> >> microsound at microsound.org >> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > microsound mailing list >> > microsound at microsound.org >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > From d4l3d at inbox.com Mon Jan 11 17:07:31 2010 From: d4l3d at inbox.com (d4l3d) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:07:31 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: References: <817755.28563.qm@web87011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <686ba4e41001101045p50e3a8mcc3e0fd1e3f7d590@mail.gmail.com> <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0DE8CA13F42.00000822d4l3d@inbox.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.pulsford at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 17:13:26 2010 From: michael.pulsford at gmail.com (Michael Pulsford) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:13:26 +1100 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to someone] In-Reply-To: <0DE8CA13F42.00000822d4l3d@inbox.com> References: <817755.28563.qm@web87011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <686ba4e41001101045p50e3a8mcc3e0fd1e3f7d590@mail.gmail.com> <686ba4e41001091829m15d42e13nf2af2a6274a60401@mail.gmail.com> <686ba4e41001092203ofa05fe7p545baa79e81b83f1@mail.gmail.com> <0DE8CA13F42.00000822d4l3d@inbox.com> Message-ID: <5567155f1001111413t7c9cae44y6e3b2bfa96c0f9ee@mail.gmail.com> No offence David, but if you could have easily mentioned one of a million other events, and given Godwin's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law), why mention Auschwitz? Cheers, Mike sings! http://www.myspace.com/amachineforfinding drums! http://www.myspace.com/battlesnake narrates! http://theatreofcomets.blogspot.com 2010/1/12 d4l3d > And I promise to think twice before hitting send again. I was foolish > enough to think this was an innocent offering, not worthy of comment. Should > have realized I might provoke the schizm between faith-based and > reality-based creation (being sarcastic, don't hit me). Back to lurking. > Maybe in another 1.6180339887... years. > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* babilano at chello.nl > *Sent:* Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:01:14 +0100 > *To:* microsound at microsound.org > *Subject:* Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to > someone] > > I hereby swear to never refer to the holocaust or the nazi's to make a > point ever again. > > serge > > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM, David Powers wrote: > > As per these claims that "the universe is a complete whole," I can > only say that if this is so, then in a world that produced Auschwitz, > "the universe is a complete HELL." > > I prefer to imagine that reality is ontologically open, creation is > incomplete, and freedom is a real though extremely fragile > possibility. > > This profoundly influences my idea of music, in that I do not believe > great music establishes some perfect mythical harmony between the > smallest details and the whole. In my view, music should struggle > against such ideological harmony, without necessarily abandoning all > structure or denying the relationships between micro and macro > structures. Late Beethoven piano pieces and string quartets are > excellent examples of such an approach. > > I agree with you to an extent on "school maths", although I personally > think that in the digital age, it's impossible to escape the reign of > mathematics, and so perhaps we shouldn't ignore math but instead try > to subvert it. > > PS. The idea of "Golden Ratio Disco" quite amuses me in some way, > though I'm somewhat frightened to hear what such a thing sounds like! > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Chris Bullen > wrote: > > When I first saw this appear in my mailbox, I thought it said "Golden > Ratio > > Disco". > > Was not sure what it was going to be about but it looked as if this might > be > > a kind of humorous approach or some mental piece of free/shareware. But > no, > > it was back to the old classical attempt to find mathematical perfection. > > Over 30 years ago, when I was at art school, plenty of dull work was > produce > > by colleagues claiming they were using a "Golden Section", certainly in > > straight painting it never made any great impression on me (one way or > > another), all I thought was "fuck it, school maths! I left home to get > away > > from this". > > Cheers Chrisb > > ________________________________ > > From: Robert Lewis > > To: microsound at microsound.org > > Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2010 16:18:37 > > Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to > > someone] > > > > 1) What do you mean by coherence? > > > > systematic consistency across all time and space scales > > > > 2) And how does this relate to the > > practice of music? > > > > the universe is a complete whole > > > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers wrote: > >> > >> What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the > >> practice of music? > >> > >> *** > >> > >> Hypothesis: > >> Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what > >> is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers, > >> until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic > >> mathematics--the language of utopia. > >> > >> ~David > >> > >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis > wrote: > >> > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes > but > >> > in > >> > perception. it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio > in > >> > the > >> > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of > >> > nature > >> > > >> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery > >> >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a > >> >> strange coincidence? > >> >> > >> >> ~David > >> >> > >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Found this interesting. > >> >> > > >> >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this > was > >> >> > recently posted through Slashdot: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world > >> >> > > >> >> > May be useful to someone. > >> >> > > >> >> > s 4 n s [moi] > >> >> > > >> >> > ________________________________ > >> >> > Free 3D Earth Screensaver > >> >> > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at > >> >> > www.inbox.com/earth > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > microsound mailing list > >> >> > microsound at microsound.org > >> >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > >> >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> microsound mailing list > >> >> microsound at microsound.org > >> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > microsound mailing list > >> > microsound at microsound.org > >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> microsound mailing list > >> microsound at microsound.org > >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't really think you should change your ideas because people who get all their information via the internet have stereotypical reactions. 2. Because of the role that technology and science played in that event. 3. It's clearly a kind of worst case scenario for the human race. But anyway my overall point doesn't have to do with that, it is: I'm trying to challenge the idea that there is such a thing as "neutral" material, even in the realm of science and math and acoustics. Facts are never just facts. I prefer art that reflects the human condition, not the "music of the spheres". For instance, I have a real problem with the underlying philosophy of, say, Xenakis, despite the fact that he introduces some great compositional tools. Stockhausen is another composer whose philosophy is problematic to me, and I do think it impacts the kind of work they do and its aesthetic value. ~David On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Michael Pulsford wrote: > No offence David, but if you could have easily mentioned one of a million > other events, and given Godwin's > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law), why mention Auschwitz? > Cheers, > Mike > > sings! http://www.myspace.com/amachineforfinding > drums! http://www.myspace.com/battlesnake > narrates! http://theatreofcomets.blogspot.com > > > 2010/1/12 d4l3d >> >> And I promise to think twice before hitting send again. I was foolish >> enough to think this was an innocent offering, not worthy of comment. Should >> have realized I might?provoke the schizm between faith-based and >> reality-based creation (being sarcastic, don't hit me). Back to lurking. >> Maybe in another 1.6180339887... years. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: babilano at chello.nl >> Sent: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:01:14 +0100 >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to >> someone] >> >> I hereby swear to never refer to the holocaust or the nazi's to make a >> point ever again. >> serge >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:45 PM, David Powers wrote: >> >> As per these claims that "the universe is a complete whole," I can >> only say that if this is so, then in a world that produced Auschwitz, >> "the universe is a complete HELL." >> >> I prefer to imagine that reality is ontologically open, creation is >> incomplete, and freedom is a real though extremely fragile >> possibility. >> >> This profoundly influences my idea of music, in that I do not believe >> great music establishes some perfect mythical harmony between the >> smallest details and the whole. In my view, music should struggle >> against such ideological harmony, without necessarily abandoning all >> structure or denying the relationships between micro and macro >> structures. Late Beethoven piano pieces and string quartets are >> excellent examples of such an approach. >> >> I agree with you to an extent on "school maths", although I personally >> think that in the digital age, it's impossible to escape the reign of >> mathematics, and so perhaps we shouldn't ignore math but instead try >> to subvert it. >> >> PS. The idea of "Golden Ratio Disco" quite amuses me in some way, >> though I'm somewhat frightened to hear what such a thing sounds like! >> >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Chris Bullen >> wrote: >> > When I first saw this appear in my mailbox, I thought it said "Golden >> > Ratio >> > Disco". >> > Was not sure what it was going to be about but it looked as if this >> > might be >> > a kind of humorous approach or some mental piece of free/shareware. But >> > no, >> > it was back to the old classical attempt to find mathematical >> > perfection. >> > Over 30 years ago, when I was at art school, plenty of dull work was >> > produce >> > by colleagues claiming they were using a "Golden Section", certainly in >> > straight painting it never made any great impression on me (one way or >> > another), all I thought was "fuck it, school maths! I left home to get >> > away >> > from this". >> > Cheers Chrisb >> > ________________________________ >> > From: Robert Lewis >> > To: microsound at microsound.org >> > Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2010 16:18:37 >> > Subject: Re: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest to >> > someone] >> > >> > 1) What do you mean by coherence? >> > >> > systematic consistency across all time and space scales >> > >> > 2) And how does this relate to the >> > practice of music? >> > >> > the universe is a complete whole >> > >> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:03 AM, David Powers wrote: >> >> >> >> What do you mean by coherence? And how does this relate to the >> >> practice of music? >> >> >> >> *** >> >> >> >> Hypothesis: >> >> Music is not only numbers, mathematics, and structure, but also what >> >> is irreducible to those things. The musician struggles with numbers, >> >> until they cry out in pain. Then music becomes messianic >> >> mathematics--the language of utopia. >> >> >> >> ~David >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert Lewis >> >> wrote: >> >> > there are few strange coincidences in the universe, and no paradoxes >> >> > but >> >> > in >> >> > perception.? it is meaningful as another example of the golden ratio >> >> > in >> >> > the >> >> > natural world, for those of us looking for coherence in all scales of >> >> > nature >> >> > >> >> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:29 PM, David Powers >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> My first thought on reading this, is to ask whether such a discovery >> >> >> is in any way meaningful, or whether it should be viewed as merely a >> >> >> strange coincidence? >> >> >> >> >> >> ~David >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, d4l3d wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Found this interesting. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > For those of us who have a thing for Fibonnaci/Golden Ratio, this >> >> >> > was >> >> >> > recently posted through Slashdot: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/01/07/golden.ratio.discovered.a.quantum.world >> >> >> > >> >> >> > May be useful to someone. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ?? s??? 4?? n ?s [moi] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ________________________________ >> >> >> > Free 3D Earth Screensaver >> >> >> > Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at >> >> >> > www.inbox.com/earth >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > microsound mailing list >> >> >> > microsound at microsound.org >> >> >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> microsound mailing list >> >> >> microsound at microsound.org >> >> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > microsound mailing list >> >> > microsound at microsound.org >> >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> microsound mailing list >> >> microsound at microsound.org >> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > microsound mailing list >> > microsound at microsound.org >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > From mis at artengine.ca Mon Jan 11 17:39:11 2010 From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:39:11 -0500 Subject: [microsound] anyone up for a new project? In-Reply-To: <0CAB693D-EB06-4DED-B279-F1E7A5F58303@lfsaw.de> References: <4B27FFFC.10408@anechoicmedia.com> <4B4B79DE.7050100@craque.net> <0CAB693D-EB06-4DED-B279-F1E7A5F58303@lfsaw.de> Message-ID: Error: count is not defined. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:25 PM, LFSaw wrote: > count += 1 > > > On 11.01.2010, at 20:19, Craque wrote: > >> count 1 for me >> >> Kim Cascone wrote: >>> I have an idea >>> headcount please? >>> then I'll explain >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- ./MiS 514-344-0726 http://www.creazone.ca From fdurso at comcast.net Mon Jan 11 18:42:52 2010 From: fdurso at comcast.net (fdurso at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [microsound] anyone up for a new project? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <764190329.1075661263253372229.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> my acoustic project is recorded....mixing/magic underway.... Frank "011010" D'Urso -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And that would be found is his _Oresteia_, _A l'ile a Goree_ or _Nuits_ for example? Best, Charles From azimuths at freenet.co.uk Tue Jan 12 09:45:02 2010 From: azimuths at freenet.co.uk (Thanos Chrysakis) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:45:02 -0000 Subject: [microsound] Golden Ratio discovery [may be of interest tosomeone] In-Reply-To: <686ba4e41001111357t2281d763o53dcfcdc49cf4441@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >I could just as easily have mentioned a million other horrific >historical events, I just picked the one that is most universally >recognized as a catastrophe. I'll step in to utter some names/events as they don't have the support of Hollywood industry -for unknown (?) reasons- to make them universally accepted catastrophes. Gaza, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Irag, Siberia, Asia Minor, Pontos, The Bombing of Dresden, etc.......etc...... Thanos From bruce at skeletonhome.com Tue Jan 12 13:00:34 2010 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:00:34 -0500 Subject: [microsound] OT: here's an interesting link worthy of discussion... Message-ID: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/science/12tier.html?ref=science bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinksamuel at yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 14:14:11 2010 From: thinksamuel at yahoo.com (Samuel van ransbeeck) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:14:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] question about norgards infinity row Message-ID: <10206.98058.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello I discovered per Norgards infiniyt row through essl's RTC-lib for maxmsp. I was looking for the theory behind it but in the example on the website, it seems that the melody stays within a certain range. Shouldn't the series expand over the register or is it normal that it stays in the sme register (or is the example simplified) http://www.pernoergaard.dk/eng/strukturer/uendelig/uintro.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vze26m98 at optonline.net Tue Jan 12 14:42:27 2010 From: vze26m98 at optonline.net (Charles Turner) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:42:27 -0500 Subject: [microsound] question about norgards infinity row In-Reply-To: <10206.98058.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <10206.98058.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Samuel van ransbeeck wrote: > Shouldn't the series expand over the register or is it normal that > it stays in the sme register (or is the example simplified) Did you look at this? The formula is 'Write n in binary and read from left to write, starting with 0 and interpreting 1 as "add 1" and 0 as "change sign".' So a 13-bit number would exceed the number of semitones in an octave, if I understand your question correctly. You can check that in the "First 10,000 Terms," here: (In fact, the leap between iteration 8190 and 8191 is quite large: -12 -> 13.) HTH, Charles From mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es Tue Jan 12 14:42:55 2010 From: mail at jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jaime_Mun=E1rriz_Ortiz?=) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:42:55 +0100 Subject: [microsound] nogards infinity series Message-ID: <4B4CD0BF.9090806@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> Coincidence, I just listened to a net-record usindi this Nogard's Infinity Series, and I found some nice resources: http://www.pernoergaard.dk/eng/strukturer/uendelig/uindhold.html I managed to program a Processing sketch reading this instructions He predicts the max & min will increase on time And I also found this incredible repository of Integer Sequences! http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A004718 Now I can count + - sheep to sleep... Oh, and new project, count on me too, Kim. From dan at listening-station.net Tue Jan 12 15:01:14 2010 From: dan at listening-station.net (Dan Heidebrecht) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:01:14 -0700 Subject: [microsound] nogards infinity series In-Reply-To: <4B4CD0BF.9090806@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> References: <4B4CD0BF.9090806@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> Message-ID: You can play or save a midi file generated from any sequence on the site: For example: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/table?a=4718&fmt=6 Dan. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Jaime Mun?rriz Ortiz wrote: > Coincidence, I just listened to a net-record usindi this Nogard's Infinity > Series, and I found some nice resources: > > http://www.pernoergaard.dk/eng/strukturer/uendelig/uindhold.html > I managed to program a Processing sketch reading this instructions > He predicts the max & min will increase on time > > And I also found this incredible repository of Integer Sequences! > http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A004718 > > > Now I can count + - sheep to sleep... > > Oh, and new project, count on me too, Kim. > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From dan at listening-station.net Tue Jan 12 15:01:14 2010 From: dan at listening-station.net (Dan Heidebrecht) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:01:14 -0700 Subject: [microsound] nogards infinity series In-Reply-To: <4B4CD0BF.9090806@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> References: <4B4CD0BF.9090806@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> Message-ID: You can play or save a midi file generated from any sequence on the site: For example: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/table?a=4718&fmt=6 Dan. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Jaime Mun?rriz Ortiz wrote: > Coincidence, I just listened to a net-record usindi this Nogard's Infinity > Series, and I found some nice resources: > > http://www.pernoergaard.dk/eng/strukturer/uendelig/uindhold.html > I managed to program a Processing sketch reading this instructions > He predicts the max & min will increase on time > > And I also found this incredible repository of Integer Sequences! > http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A004718 > > > Now I can count + - sheep to sleep... > > Oh, and new project, count on me too, Kim. > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From gary at meterpool.com Tue Jan 12 16:26:23 2010 From: gary at meterpool.com (Gary R. Weisberg) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:26:23 -0500 Subject: [microsound] ***microacoustic music project*** In-Reply-To: <4B280DB1.8040309@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B280DB1.8040309@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4B4CE8FF.8020901@meterpool.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think the book has many great aspects but there are things to be critical of, the most obvious being that it takes him several pages to analyze four diminish seventh chords in a Beethoven passage. I find this attempt at analysis almost comical. ~David On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Charles Turner wrote: > On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:34 PM, David Powers wrote: > >> For instance, I have a real problem with the underlying philosophy of, >> say, Xenakis, despite the fact that he introduces some great >> compositional tools. > > And that would be found is his _Oresteia_, _A l'ile a Goree_ or _Nuits_ for > example? > > Best, Charles > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From dan at orange-carb.org Tue Jan 12 20:27:27 2010 From: dan at orange-carb.org (Dan Friedman) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:27:27 -0500 Subject: [microsound] nogards infinity series In-Reply-To: <4B4CD0BF.9090806@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> References: <4B4CD0BF.9090806@jaime-munarriz.jazztel.es> Message-ID: <20100113012727.GA37533@orange-carb.org> Infinity row is amazing. I've often been curious to know if anyone has programmed it as a general term, i.e. given the starting cell and a range of choices (pitch class or otherwise, it's just a selection algorithm), can you calculate the Nth term of the series without having to also calculate all the other terms between 0 and N-1? I can't figure out a way... Another thing, re. min and max: in the work of Martin Arnold, Allison Cameron and Stephen Parkinson (from whom I learned about the infinity series), they just "fold" the series within one octave; or more precisely, they just use it as a means of producing pitch-class sequences (rather than pitch sequences), and then voice the melody whatever way the situation calls for. So the min and max elements don't matter. In any case, I have written 3 implementations of this generic approach: in perl, SuperCollider, and as a csound unit generator. I used the perl implementation in the writing of my piece "Hashed and Heaping"; I don't call this aspect of the composition process out explicitly, but the curious can download it for listening at http://music.boywithmachine.net Cheers Dan On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 08:42:55PM +0100, Jaime Mun?rriz Ortiz wrote: > Coincidence, I just listened to a net-record > usindi this Nogard's Infinity Series, and I found > some nice resources: > > http://www.pernoergaard.dk/eng/strukturer/uendelig/uindhold.html > I managed to program a Processing sketch reading > this instructions > He predicts the max & min will increase on time > > And I also found this incredible repository of > Integer Sequences! > http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A004718 > > > Now I can count + - sheep to sleep... > > Oh, and new project, count on me too, Kim. > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From kim at anechoicmedia.com Tue Jan 12 20:35:44 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:35:44 -0800 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic Message-ID: <4B4D2370.6090405@anechoicmedia.com> can whoever uploaded 'MIKEHITSSTRINGS.mp3 ' please fix the ID3 tags? From natasha_roberts at hotmail.co.uk Wed Jan 13 10:41:55 2010 From: natasha_roberts at hotmail.co.uk (Natasha Roberts) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:41:55 +0000 Subject: [microsound] ***microacoustic music project*** In-Reply-To: <4B4CE8FF.8020901@meterpool.com> References: <4B280DB1.8040309@anechoicmedia.com>, <4B4CE8FF.8020901@meterpool.com> Message-ID: Microacoustic music for me is about sonic exploration through digital means. I tried to focus on the inner qualities of a plucked piano string. The string was edited, sped up and down, mixed, and EQ'd. The title reflects my own emotional state at the time of the creation of this piece. Thanks, Tash _________________________________________________________________ Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From natasha_roberts at hotmail.co.uk Wed Jan 13 10:43:26 2010 From: natasha_roberts at hotmail.co.uk (Natasha Roberts) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:43:26 +0000 Subject: [microsound] ***microacoustic music project*** In-Reply-To: <4B4CE8FF.8020901@meterpool.com> References: <4B280DB1.8040309@anechoicmedia.com>, <4B4CE8FF.8020901@meterpool.com> Message-ID: My piece is uploaded on the repository " Mental-Strings.mp3" Microacoustic music for me is about sonic exploration through digital means. I tried to focus on the inner qualities of a plucked piano string. The string was edited, sped up and down, mixed, and EQ'd. The title reflects my own emotional state at the time of the creation of this piece. Thanks, Tash Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now _________________________________________________________________ Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Jan 13 13:04:04 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:04:04 -0800 Subject: [microsound] question about norgards infinity row Message-ID: <4B4E0B14.4020205@anechoicmedia.com> http://www.pernoergaard.dk/eng/strukturer/uendelig/ukonstruktion03.html From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Jan 13 15:08:18 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:08:18 -0800 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic: Angry Mountain Message-ID: <4B4E2832.8070508@anechoicmedia.com> I posted a piece last night titled 'Angry Mountain' it's my first electro-acoustic steampunk piece last fall I recorded my son Cage playing his baritone horn but I instructed him to play 'non-musical' sounds I took the recordings and slowed them down in Baudline then layered them in Ardour the only processing (other than slowing them down) is a little compression and limiting 'Angry Mountain' is an atmosphere of sounds drifting up from the engine room of a steamship traveling across the Atlantic in 1875 on which I spend my journey reading Jules Verne novels in a small but comfortable room just above the engine room, decorated with maroon velvet drapes and shiny brass gas lamps - stereotypes work to prod the imagination! ;) I had originally used these sounds in a hydrophone piece but thought they would make for a nice atmospheric piece all on their own enjoy! From ionizing at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 15:17:04 2010 From: ionizing at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:17:04 -0500 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic: Angry Mountain In-Reply-To: <4B4E2832.8070508@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B4E2832.8070508@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: can i get another link to the project page, cant seem to find it.. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > I posted a piece last night > titled 'Angry Mountain' > > it's my first electro-acoustic steampunk piece > > last fall I recorded my son Cage playing his baritone horn > but I instructed him to play 'non-musical' sounds > > I took the recordings and slowed them down in Baudline > then layered them in Ardour > the only processing (other than slowing them down) is a little compression > and limiting > > 'Angry Mountain' is an atmosphere of sounds drifting up from the engine > room of a steamship traveling across the Atlantic in 1875 > on which I spend my journey reading Jules Verne novels in a small but > comfortable room just above the engine room, decorated with maroon velvet > drapes and shiny brass gas lamps > - stereotypes work to prod the imagination! ;) > > I had originally used these sounds in a hydrophone piece > but thought they would make for a nice atmospheric piece all on their own > enjoy! > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From picnet at urlme.net Wed Jan 13 16:35:25 2010 From: picnet at urlme.net (Mike) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:35:25 +0200 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic: Temporal Acoustic Guitar In-Reply-To: <4B4E2832.8070508@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B4E2832.8070508@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <9AED20BD-34FA-47C1-BF3F-F407CF76EE8C@urlme.net> Temporal Acoustic Guitar posted My watch got in the way of the guitar so I included that as by product its second hand was rather musical. Technicalities: A stereo laser mic was used over the strings of a childs small guitar for the low-fi sound - they are all collected optically. Theres an image in the metadata that shows how this is done. Some strings were captured individually. - baudline is used to speed things up and slow them down. Reaper was used for the tracking / eq and final mix. BR -Mike From picnet at urlme.net Wed Jan 13 16:35:25 2010 From: picnet at urlme.net (Mike) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:35:25 +0200 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic: Temporal Acoustic Guitar In-Reply-To: <4B4E2832.8070508@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B4E2832.8070508@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <9AED20BD-34FA-47C1-BF3F-F407CF76EE8C@urlme.net> Temporal Acoustic Guitar posted My watch got in the way of the guitar so I included that as by product its second hand was rather musical. Technicalities: A stereo laser mic was used over the strings of a childs small guitar for the low-fi sound - they are all collected optically. Theres an image in the metadata that shows how this is done. Some strings were captured individually. - baudline is used to speed things up and slow them down. Reaper was used for the tracking / eq and final mix. BR -Mike From d4l3d at inbox.com Wed Jan 13 16:44:55 2010 From: d4l3d at inbox.com (d4l3d) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:44:55 -0800 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic: Angry Mountain In-Reply-To: <4B4E2832.8070508@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <26DB98FC844.00000BD7d4l3d@inbox.com> Capt. Nemo's busman's holiday. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: kim at anechoicmedia.com > Sent: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:08:18 -0800 > To: microsound at or8.net > Subject: [microsound] microacoustic: Angry Mountain > > I posted a piece last night > titled 'Angry Mountain' > > it's my first electro-acoustic steampunk piece > > last fall I recorded my son Cage playing his baritone horn > but I instructed him to play 'non-musical' sounds > > I took the recordings and slowed them down in Baudline > then layered them in Ardour > the only processing (other than slowing them down) is a little > compression and limiting > > 'Angry Mountain' is an atmosphere of sounds drifting up from the engine > room of a steamship traveling across the Atlantic in 1875 > on which I spend my journey reading Jules Verne novels in a small but > comfortable room just above the engine room, decorated with maroon > velvet drapes and shiny brass gas lamps > - stereotypes work to prod the imagination! ;) > > I had originally used these sounds in a hydrophone piece > but thought they would make for a nice atmospheric piece all on their own > enjoy! > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound ____________________________________________________________ GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! From traktorman at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 17:00:01 2010 From: traktorman at gmail.com (tkrakowiak) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:00:01 -0500 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic: Angry Mountain In-Reply-To: <26DB98FC844.00000BD7d4l3d@inbox.com> References: <4B4E2832.8070508@anechoicmedia.com> <26DB98FC844.00000BD7d4l3d@inbox.com> Message-ID: hey its more than 2 minutes :) fat field recording though, nice. 2010/1/13 d4l3d > Capt. Nemo's busman's holiday. :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kim at anechoicmedia.com > > Sent: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:08:18 -0800 > > To: microsound at or8.net > > Subject: [microsound] microacoustic: Angry Mountain > > > > I posted a piece last night > > titled 'Angry Mountain' > > > > it's my first electro-acoustic steampunk piece > > > > last fall I recorded my son Cage playing his baritone horn > > but I instructed him to play 'non-musical' sounds > > > > I took the recordings and slowed them down in Baudline > > then layered them in Ardour > > the only processing (other than slowing them down) is a little > > compression and limiting > > > > 'Angry Mountain' is an atmosphere of sounds drifting up from the engine > > room of a steamship traveling across the Atlantic in 1875 > > on which I spend my journey reading Jules Verne novels in a small but > > comfortable room just above the engine room, decorated with maroon > > velvet drapes and shiny brass gas lamps > > - stereotypes work to prod the imagination! ;) > > > > I had originally used these sounds in a hydrophone piece > > but thought they would make for a nice atmospheric piece all on their own > > enjoy! > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > ____________________________________________________________ > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Jan 13 20:55:33 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:55:33 -0800 Subject: [microsound] resend: ***microacoustic music project*** Message-ID: <4B4E7995.6070005@anechoicmedia.com> .microsound community project: microacoustic music what is .microsound? what will it sound like in 10 years time? is it purely music made via digital means or can it shape shift into using acoustic musical instruments? what is the sound of microacoustic music? let's find out each microsound member gets a chance to describe what microacoustic music sounds like to them GUIDELINES: - length: all works must be 2 minutes maximum - deadline: February 1 2010 - mp3 files: filenames use only ALPHANUMERICS; i.e. NO spaces (underbars_and-hyphens-are-OK), stereo, encoded at 192 - 320kbps and have ID3 tags!! please make sure they have ID3 tags! content: all sound sources are acoustic musical instruments with NO processing other than the following: - mixing/layering - editing (cut 'n paste) - slowing down or speeding up - filtering/EQ instruments can be detuned, woodwinds played as percussion, stick a sax mouthpiece on a bassoon, contact mic'd, deconstructed, use extended techniques, destroyed or played 'properly' then (de)composed in editing files should be placed here: http://www.microsound.org/repository/ there is also a link on the microsound.org front page ***you MUST be sub'd to the list before you are allowed to upload files the server checks for you against the list of sub'ers if you are having trouble write to Paulo or John and ask them to update the list (has to be done by hand IIRC) ___remember to name and tag your files properly or they will be taken down___ From kim at anechoicmedia.com Fri Jan 15 14:09:00 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:09:00 -0800 Subject: [microsound] third request: MIKEHITSSTRINGS.mp3 Message-ID: <4B50BD4C.9020301@anechoicmedia.com> can whoever uploaded 'MIKEHITSSTRINGS.mp3 ' please fix the ID3 tags? ***if this isn't fixed by Jan 31 the file will be taken down*** From monkeesee at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 19:49:32 2010 From: monkeesee at gmail.com (monkee see) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:49:32 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <735648.8816.qm@web46407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <735648.8816.qm@web46407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: UNSUBSCRIBE please On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:45 AM, JoshB/Offset Needle Radius < offsetneedlesound at yahoo.com> wrote: > Please unsubscribe me from Microsound mailing list. 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The blinding transmission is also the sun in the aether of grey clouds...pops and crackles, the rain... Little islands rise out of the ocean of tape. How much cosiness is there in the universe? A nostalgic and whimsical return to an old form. Warm is the sleeping bag of the biological vessel...gentle lethargy and slightly aching joints sheltered from the rain. ~ Best, Adam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fdurso at comcast.net Wed Jan 20 01:01:27 2010 From: fdurso at comcast.net (fdurso at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [microsound] MicroAcoustic project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <77257850.5101881263967287481.JavaMail.root@sz0161a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hi, I seem to have forgotten my log in and password, Kim (or someone) could you help me so I can get my contribution uploaded? Frank "01102010" D'Urso -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From timothy.leonido at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 13:50:24 2010 From: timothy.leonido at gmail.com (Timothy Leonido) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:50:24 -0500 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic In-Reply-To: <4B5F2F1E.9020009@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B5F2F1E.9020009@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: Going well, I wanted to mention: Yesterday I submitted an accordion and drum piece (remixed using chuck and audacity), for all those who are interested. -tim On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > how is everyone coming with their pieces for this project? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Groet, Erik Kim Cascone wrote: > how is everyone coming with their pieces for this project? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From gmihci at gmail.com Tue Jan 26 14:03:44 2010 From: gmihci at gmail.com (Gurkan Mihci) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:03:44 +0200 Subject: [microsound] Prague and Budapest Message-ID: <5205cbdc1001261103w5afaf15bmab3ab86e2d336a2e@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, I will be in Prague and Budapest at the beginning of February, Could you recommend me any events or places or other sources of information regarding the music and design scene there? Thank you Gurkan Mihci www.gurkanmihci.com From mprims at skynet.be Tue Jan 26 14:51:59 2010 From: mprims at skynet.be (mik) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:51:59 +0100 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic In-Reply-To: <4B5F2F1E.9020009@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B5F2F1E.9020009@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4B5F47DF.7020109@skynet.be> Kim Cascone schreef: > how is everyone coming with their pieces for this project? > i uploaded something yesterday (the first time since bufferFuct). m From lsutton at libero.it Wed Jan 27 05:32:23 2010 From: lsutton at libero.it (Lorenzo) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:32:23 +0100 Subject: [microsound] intro and help please In-Reply-To: <4B5F2F1E.9020009@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B5F2F1E.9020009@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4B601637.1030407@libero.it> Hi all, I'm silently reading the list since a while so I guess I'd briefly introduce myself. I'm a musicologist and musician based in Rome, Italy and recently started studying electronic music. Not many published electronic works so far, what goes on the announcements seems quite interesting. I am a Linux user and use Pure Data a lot. I tried registering to the repository to check out files and - maybe - submit something, but it says I should be subscribed to the list... am I missing something? Bests, Lorenzo. From lsutton at libero.it Wed Jan 27 05:32:23 2010 From: lsutton at libero.it (Lorenzo) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:32:23 +0100 Subject: [microsound] intro and help please In-Reply-To: <4B5F2F1E.9020009@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B5F2F1E.9020009@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4B601637.1030407@libero.it> Hi all, I'm silently reading the list since a while so I guess I'd briefly introduce myself. I'm a musicologist and musician based in Rome, Italy and recently started studying electronic music. Not many published electronic works so far, what goes on the announcements seems quite interesting. I am a Linux user and use Pure Data a lot. I tried registering to the repository to check out files and - maybe - submit something, but it says I should be subscribed to the list... am I missing something? Bests, Lorenzo. From natmallo at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 05:42:24 2010 From: natmallo at gmail.com (Natalia Mallo) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:42:24 -0200 Subject: [microsound] intro and help please In-Reply-To: <4B601637.1030407@libero.it> References: <4B5F2F1E.9020009@anechoicmedia.com> <4B601637.1030407@libero.it> Message-ID: <3b3325cb1001270242u444b9c52qc39ee9920090c757@mail.gmail.com> Hi All I have the same problem as Lorenzo... Any clue? Best from Brazil 2010/1/27 Lorenzo > Hi all, > I'm silently reading the list since a while so I guess I'd briefly > introduce myself. I'm a musicologist and musician based in Rome, Italy and > recently started studying electronic music. Not many published electronic > works so far, what goes on the announcements seems quite interesting. I am a > Linux user and use Pure Data a lot. > > I tried registering to the repository to check out files and - maybe - > submit something, but it says I should be subscribed to the list... am I > missing something? > > Bests, > Lorenzo. > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- Natalia Mallo skype: natmallo msn: natmallo www.myspace.com/nataliamallo www.myspace.com/gatonegrotango www.fomedecomer.blogspot.com www.thekitchenstudios.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From paulo.mouat at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 23:22:00 2010 From: paulo.mouat at gmail.com (Paulo Mouat) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:22:00 -0500 Subject: [microsound] intro and help please In-Reply-To: <3b3325cb1001270242u444b9c52qc39ee9920090c757@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B5F2F1E.9020009@anechoicmedia.com> <4B601637.1030407@libero.it> <3b3325cb1001270242u444b9c52qc39ee9920090c757@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <424ce301001272022x6427c083t43d7287f739d5bd6@mail.gmail.com> Lorenzo and Natalia, please try again and let me know if you have any issues. //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0 On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Natalia Mallo wrote: > Hi All > > I have the same problem as Lorenzo... > Any clue? > Best from Brazil > > > > 2010/1/27 Lorenzo > > Hi all, >> I'm silently reading the list since a while so I guess I'd briefly >> introduce myself. I'm a musicologist and musician based in Rome, Italy and >> recently started studying electronic music. Not many published electronic >> works so far, what goes on the announcements seems quite interesting. I am a >> Linux user and use Pure Data a lot. >> >> I tried registering to the repository to check out files and - maybe - >> submit something, but it says I should be subscribed to the list... am I >> missing something? >> >> Bests, >> Lorenzo. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > > > > -- > Natalia Mallo > skype: natmallo > msn: natmallo > www.myspace.com/nataliamallo > www.myspace.com/gatonegrotango > www.fomedecomer.blogspot.com > www.thekitchenstudios.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsutton at libero.it Thu Jan 28 02:52:53 2010 From: lsutton at libero.it (Lorenzo) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:52:53 +0100 Subject: [microsound] intro and help please In-Reply-To: <424ce301001272022x6427c083t43d7287f739d5bd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B5F2F1E.9020009@anechoicmedia.com> <4B601637.1030407@libero.it> <3b3325cb1001270242u444b9c52qc39ee9920090c757@mail.gmail.com> <424ce301001272022x6427c083t43d7287f739d5bd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B614255.9000605@libero.it> Dear Paulo, > Lorenzo and Natalia, please try again and let me know if you have any > issues. > It worked for me now, thanks. All the best, Lorenzo. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsutton at libero.it Thu Jan 28 03:03:50 2010 From: lsutton at libero.it (Lorenzo) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:03:50 +0100 Subject: [microsound] resend: ***microacoustic music project*** In-Reply-To: <4B453707.2040908@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B453707.2040908@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4B6144E6.5060706@libero.it> Hi, I know the deadline is approaching, but... > > content: all sound sources are acoustic musical instruments > with NO processing > Does the voice count as such? From my point of view it does. Bests, Lorenzo. From lsutton at libero.it Thu Jan 28 03:03:50 2010 From: lsutton at libero.it (Lorenzo) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:03:50 +0100 Subject: [microsound] resend: ***microacoustic music project*** In-Reply-To: <4B453707.2040908@anechoicmedia.com> References: <4B453707.2040908@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <4B6144E6.5060706@libero.it> Hi, I know the deadline is approaching, but... > > content: all sound sources are acoustic musical instruments > with NO processing > Does the voice count as such? From my point of view it does. Bests, Lorenzo. From kim at anechoicmedia.com Sat Jan 30 14:44:25 2010 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:44:25 -0800 Subject: [microsound] resend: ***microacoustic music project*** Message-ID: <4B648C19.6010809@anechoicmedia.com> ============================ ***MONDAY IS THE DEADLINE*** ============================ .microsound community project: microacoustic music what is .microsound? what will it sound like in 10 years time? is it purely music made via digital means or can it shape shift into using acoustic musical instruments? what is the sound of microacoustic music? let's find out each microsound member gets a chance to describe what microacoustic music sounds like to them GUIDELINES: - length: all works must be 2 minutes maximum - deadline: February 1 2010 - mp3 files: filenames use only ALPHANUMERICS; i.e. NO spaces (underbars_and-hyphens-are-OK), stereo, encoded at 192 - 320kbps and have ID3 tags!! please make sure they have ID3 tags! content: all sound sources are acoustic musical instruments with NO processing other than the following: - mixing/layering - editing (cut 'n paste) - slowing down or speeding up - filtering/EQ instruments can be detuned, woodwinds played as percussion, stick a sax mouthpiece on a bassoon, contact mic'd, deconstructed, use extended techniques, destroyed or played 'properly' then (de)composed in editing files should be placed here: http://www.microsound.org/repository/ there is also a link on the microsound.org front page ***you MUST be sub'd to the list before you are allowed to upload files the server checks for you against the list of sub'ers if you are having trouble write to Paulo or John and ask them to update the list (has to be done by hand IIRC) ___remember to name and tag your files properly or they will be taken down___ From roger at eartrumpet.org Sun Jan 31 18:53:19 2010 From: roger at eartrumpet.org (Roger Mills) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:53:19 +1100 Subject: [microsound] microacoustic_music Message-ID: <9EE72D54-1257-4B45-B1EE-684DEE9D6A1A@eartrumpet.org> Hi all, That was fun..have uploaded my track Trumpet Voluntary. http://www.microsound.org/repository/index.php?action=downloadfile&filename=Trumpet_Voluntary.mp3&directory=projects/microacoustic_music/mp3s& seems an inordinately long url but this is copied directly from the download button ?? Kim I have a score but I need to find a scanner today to upload it as well. I'm in Australia so we are a day ahead so hopefully get this in by the end of today. Bare with me if its tomorrow Tuesday. best -- Roger Mills http://www.eartrumpet.org