From st.scholl at live.de  Mon Mar  2 13:26:20 2009
From: st.scholl at live.de (steffen scholl)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:26:20 +0100
Subject: [microsound] cycling74 and Max/MSP -discussion
In-Reply-To: <6517a5220902281652h4e3f61e2n7b7bd92359dfbba4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49A95CA8.1060805@rtqe.net>
	<263213.69070.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 
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when started the list? and who is christopher murtagh? i think he is the initiator of the mcgill-list but i can't find somthing about him...
 

merci...


Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 01:52:01 +0100
From: flemminglyst at gmail.com
To: microsound at microsound.org; brymoxine at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [microsound] cycling74 and Max/MSP -discussion

some netochka music:
http://totem.menneske.dk/batch_totem/BIN/%5BBIN_003%5D/



On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 5:27 PM, bryan garcia <brymoxine at yahoo.com> wrote:


the most interesting part about the list, aside from all of the vague evasion occurring here, is the whole Netochka Nezvanova incident.

i haven't heard anything more about her since the minor debacle sort of faded away, but i've always remained curious.

she was an inspiring character, and definitely supplied a great and needed voice to criticism in general, and more importantly to the experimental / electronic music scene.   a great beginning for her story can be found here -

http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2002/03/01/netochka/

this is pretty old, so be prepared.

the sad skinhead.




--- On Sat, 2/28/09, Gregory Taylor <gtaylor at rtqe.net> wrote:

> From: Gregory Taylor <gtaylor at rtqe.net>

> Subject: Re: [microsound] cycling74 and Max/MSP -discussion
> To: microsound at or8.net
> Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 9:47 AM



> > do you know something about the old max/msp mailing
> list ? the mcgill-mailing-list from the 9os?
>
> As a user, I suppose I do. I would think that Michael Seta
> would be
> a better person to field your questions - I merely enjoyed
> an acquaintance
> with its administrator during his student days and enjoyed
> the list. As
> a Canadian, I would find it troublesome to have some idjit
> American
> speaking unilaterally on any matters Canadian - even with
> our recent
> change of administration. :-)
>
> gregory
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From dan at listening-station.net  Tue Mar  3 13:56:37 2009
From: dan at listening-station.net (Dan Heidebrecht)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 11:56:37 -0700
Subject: [microsound] "in search of the click track"
Message-ID: <aca644620903031056r36729022ya910284377bc132@mail.gmail.com>

some fun analysis of beat duration variations

http://musicmachinery.com/2009/03/02/in-search-of-the-click-track/

In search of the click?track

Sometime in the last 10 or 20 years,? rock drumming has changed.? Many
drummers will now don headphones in the studio (and sometimes even for
live performances)? and synchronize their playing to an electronic
metronome - the click track.?? This allows for easier digital editing
of the recording.? Since all of the measures are of equal duration, it
is easy to move measures or phrases around without worry that the
timing may be off.? The click track has a down side - some say that
songs recorded against a click track sound sterile,? that the missing
tempo deviations added life to a song.

I?ve always been curious about which drummers use a click track and
which don?t, so I thought it might be fun to try to build a click
track detector using the Echo Nest remix SDK ( remix is a Python
library that allows you to  analyze and manipulate music).  In my
first attempt, I  used remix to analyze a track and then I just
printed out the duration of each beat in a song and used gnuplot to
plot the data.  The results weren?t so good - the plot was rather
noisy.  It turns out there?s quite a bit of variation from beat to
beat.  In my second attempt I averaged the beat durations over a short
window, and the resulting plot was quite good.

see plots at link above.

From cyborgk at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 09:41:48 2009
From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:41:48 -0600
Subject: [microsound] "When Facebook Isn't Fun, or,
	Why iLife Isn't My Life: Immaterial Labor in the Age of Web 2.0"
	(Draft)
Message-ID: <686ba4e40903050641v73602993mf8ac197726455f7f@mail.gmail.com>

"When Facebook Isn't Fun, or, Why iLife Isn't My Life: Immaterial
Labor in the Age of Web 2.0"

***DRAFT OUTLINE***

I. It Is Your Patriotic Duty to Consume

Consumption, in the capital system, is not only a means of individuals
reproducing themselvees, i.e. in the consumption of basic necessities;
it is objectively necessary to the reproduction of the system. Thus
Bush must admonish good Americans, in the wake of 9/11, to please go
on consuming as usual. Underconsumption represents a danger to the
system, especially to a system based on overproduction of goods that
are not produced on any rational basis but only in the hopes of
realizing a profit (i.e. according to Marx commodities exist only for
their exchange value, not for their use value). It is imperative for
capitalism that the commodity be consumed at some point, in order for
capital, which has been invested in creating the commodity form, may
again return to the form of money and thus capital. (M-C-M =
Money-Commodity-Money).

II. The Curse of Consumption as (Re)Production

Thus, the more one consumes commodities, the more one participates in
the reproduction of capitalism. The consumption of commodities is one
aspect of the reproduction of everyday life under capitalism.
Consumption of commodities, in this sense, must be understood as an
entire system, that includes the consumption of advertising material,
the work of choosing which commodities to buy, and the choice of a
lifestyle or identity based on the consumption of particular kinds of
commodities, both physical and cultural commodities (i.e. the high
school student who identifies as "goth" or the enlightened consumer
who buys only organic food and listens to NPR). Consumption, far from
being an exercise of individual freedom, is in capitalism a duty and a
form of unpaid work which is essential to the ongoing survival of the
system.

III. The Reproduction of Everyday Life

Understanding the productive aspect of consumption requires
understanding the way capitalism, as a totality, reproduces itself in
all the mundane details of everyday existence. The works of Adorno and
Lefebvre are key here, for both wrote extensively on this very
subject. By exploring their theories, we can deepen our understanding
of how contemporary capitalism operates not only in the realm of
production, but as a total system that produces and reproduces persons
and subjectivities and not only commodities.

IV. Why Buy the Cow When You Can Get the Milk for Free

>From consumption, we must now return to the realm of production in its
cultural (and immaterial) form. With the so called "web 2.0
revolution," we find that consumers are, in their leisure time, also
becoming producers. But in this case, they are performing unpaid labor
in the service of major corporations. Whereas once corporations had to
pay workers to produce content for individuals to consume during their
so called "free time," now consumers are producing such content
themselves, for free! (This gives a whole new meaning to the term
"free time"). Insofar as this production occurs on large corporate
websites, such as MySpace and Facebook, consumer-producers are in fact
allowing themselves to be exploited, creating capital (and surplus
value) for the large corporations without receiving any compensation.

V. The Struggle for Everyday Life

Despite the overwhelming colonization of everyday life by the forces
of capitalism, there are always already new possibilities for struggle
opened up by changes in technology including the so called Web 2.0
revolution. Especially, the same technologies used by the major
corporations are also available to individuals and can be used in
alternative ways; mailing lists, blogs, bulletin boards, and personal
websites offer the possibility to produce critical thought and to act
in non-productive ways that do not strengthen the system. Indeed,
while overall the Facebook phenomena is an example of a new form of
exploitation of immaterial labor, its content is ambivalent; one can
imagine a Karl Marx or Theodor Adorno Facebook page, that uses the
technology precisely in order to spread critical thinking that weakens
the system, dispels ideology, and breaks through reified and false
consciousness. One can also organize anti-capitalist and subversive
actions more effectively using the internet, cell phones, and Web 2.0
technologies. As long as capitalism exists there will also exist the
possibility for anti-capitalist action, a possibility that lays the
groundwork for future revolution.

***

This is obviously just an outline, and the essay itself will require
extensive research to complete. Constructive comments would be greatly
appreciated.

David Powers
March 5, 2009

From chazen at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 11:02:51 2009
From: chazen at gmail.com (Charlie DeTar)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:02:51 -0500
Subject: [microsound] "When Facebook Isn't Fun, or,
 Why iLife Isn't My Life: Immaterial Labor in the Age of Web 2.0"
 (Draft)
In-Reply-To: <686ba4e40903050641v73602993mf8ac197726455f7f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <686ba4e40903050641v73602993mf8ac197726455f7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49AFF7AB.5060407@gmail.com>

Thanks for sending this!  It's a fun to think about.

There are two aims this outline presents that I am sympathetic to:
 * Highlighting the imbalance of contributions to web2.0 sites when
those contributions become owned by the web2.0 corporations
 * Searching for ways to promulgate ideas about alternative ways to view
the world, outside a capitalist perspective; trying to break capitalist
hegemony and understand its modes of self-perpetuation.

That said, I find the over-reliance on Marxist analysis to fall a bit
flat.  Many Marxist ideas are worth considering, and are certainly
important from a historical perspective, but even the example of a "Karl
Marx facebook page" reeks of ineffectual undergraduate clubs which
rehash old ideas and dream of the proletarian revolution as they picket
a university.  I'm skeptical of any overtly Marxist analysis finding
traction in the Web2.0 world, thus I'm skeptical of section V in the
outline.

I don't believe this is just a problem with the fashionability (or lack
thereof) of Marx -- I think there are theoretical problems with this as
well.  It seems that the primary crux of this outline has to do with
labor -- the labor people contribute to web2.0 sites.  The Marxist
analysis would criticize capitalist labor for the alienation of workers
from the fruits of their labor.  But you can't claim that a Facebook
contributor is alienated from their contributions to Facebook -- the
user will have a flashier "wall", nicer photos, more in-depth and
possibly more meaningful relationships with friends, etc.  You can't
pretend that these are merely workers driven into an exploitative
relationship with a capitalist boss.  People are free to use the system
to the extent they wish, and to stop using it at any time, and they get
value from their use.  There may be edge cases where someone gets hurt
by not using Facebook, but this is a stretch.

It is precisely this positive value proposition that makes Facebook
popular, and this is where it is insidious as well:  Facebook exploits
momentum, lack of critical analysis, and an initial lack of superior
alternatives to become hegemonic.  But I don't think this has much to do
with labor, it seems to me that there's a deeper phenomenon of cultural
momentum going on that might be interesting to explore.  You might find
some ideas in the work of Andrew Feenberg here -- he's a
Science/Technology/Society researcher/philosopher exploring the
relationship between social and technical production.  Chapter 5 of his
book "Questioning Technology" deals with the problems of human agency in
a technocratically dominated world; this might be relevant.

A couple of other directions that I would like to see an analysis like
this go:  first, it ought to consider the movements for Free Cultural
Works and Free Software.  These are astonishingly successful movements
where, without the theoretical baggage of anti-capitalism, people are
trying to create societal structures that promote the sharing of work in
a way that preserves freedoms beyond those afforded by the
Facebooks/YouTubes, and thus would eliminate the corporate control over
peoples' production.  The definitions (see
http://freedomdefined.org/Definition ) take into account the radically
different nature of digital production from the agrarian production Marx
was familiar with.

Second, you might consider alternative conceptions of what labor is.  I
found this essay on Buddhist Economics to have a refreshing alternative
perspective on labor, which takes a holistic view on human wellness
rather than the assumption that labor is an inherent "bad":
http://www.smallisbeautiful.org/buddhist_economics/english.html
Particularly where the labor you have in mind is labor undertaken during
as recreation, it seems disingenuous to claim that the only value of the
labor is in the commodity that is derived from it.

cheers,
Charlie

David Powers wrote:
> "When Facebook Isn't Fun, or, Why iLife Isn't My Life: Immaterial
> Labor in the Age of Web 2.0"
> 
> ***DRAFT OUTLINE***
> 
> I. It Is Your Patriotic Duty to Consume
> 
> Consumption, in the capital system, is not only a means of individuals
> reproducing themselvees, i.e. in the consumption of basic necessities;
> it is objectively necessary to the reproduction of the system. Thus
> Bush must admonish good Americans, in the wake of 9/11, to please go
> on consuming as usual. Underconsumption represents a danger to the
> system, especially to a system based on overproduction of goods that
> are not produced on any rational basis but only in the hopes of
> realizing a profit (i.e. according to Marx commodities exist only for
> their exchange value, not for their use value). It is imperative for
> capitalism that the commodity be consumed at some point, in order for
> capital, which has been invested in creating the commodity form, may
> again return to the form of money and thus capital. (M-C-M =
> Money-Commodity-Money).
> 
> II. The Curse of Consumption as (Re)Production
> 
> Thus, the more one consumes commodities, the more one participates in
> the reproduction of capitalism. The consumption of commodities is one
> aspect of the reproduction of everyday life under capitalism.
> Consumption of commodities, in this sense, must be understood as an
> entire system, that includes the consumption of advertising material,
> the work of choosing which commodities to buy, and the choice of a
> lifestyle or identity based on the consumption of particular kinds of
> commodities, both physical and cultural commodities (i.e. the high
> school student who identifies as "goth" or the enlightened consumer
> who buys only organic food and listens to NPR). Consumption, far from
> being an exercise of individual freedom, is in capitalism a duty and a
> form of unpaid work which is essential to the ongoing survival of the
> system.
> 
> III. The Reproduction of Everyday Life
> 
> Understanding the productive aspect of consumption requires
> understanding the way capitalism, as a totality, reproduces itself in
> all the mundane details of everyday existence. The works of Adorno and
> Lefebvre are key here, for both wrote extensively on this very
> subject. By exploring their theories, we can deepen our understanding
> of how contemporary capitalism operates not only in the realm of
> production, but as a total system that produces and reproduces persons
> and subjectivities and not only commodities.
> 
> IV. Why Buy the Cow When You Can Get the Milk for Free
> 
>>From consumption, we must now return to the realm of production in its
> cultural (and immaterial) form. With the so called "web 2.0
> revolution," we find that consumers are, in their leisure time, also
> becoming producers. But in this case, they are performing unpaid labor
> in the service of major corporations. Whereas once corporations had to
> pay workers to produce content for individuals to consume during their
> so called "free time," now consumers are producing such content
> themselves, for free! (This gives a whole new meaning to the term
> "free time"). Insofar as this production occurs on large corporate
> websites, such as MySpace and Facebook, consumer-producers are in fact
> allowing themselves to be exploited, creating capital (and surplus
> value) for the large corporations without receiving any compensation.
> 
> V. The Struggle for Everyday Life
> 
> Despite the overwhelming colonization of everyday life by the forces
> of capitalism, there are always already new possibilities for struggle
> opened up by changes in technology including the so called Web 2.0
> revolution. Especially, the same technologies used by the major
> corporations are also available to individuals and can be used in
> alternative ways; mailing lists, blogs, bulletin boards, and personal
> websites offer the possibility to produce critical thought and to act
> in non-productive ways that do not strengthen the system. Indeed,
> while overall the Facebook phenomena is an example of a new form of
> exploitation of immaterial labor, its content is ambivalent; one can
> imagine a Karl Marx or Theodor Adorno Facebook page, that uses the
> technology precisely in order to spread critical thinking that weakens
> the system, dispels ideology, and breaks through reified and false
> consciousness. One can also organize anti-capitalist and subversive
> actions more effectively using the internet, cell phones, and Web 2.0
> technologies. As long as capitalism exists there will also exist the
> possibility for anti-capitalist action, a possibility that lays the
> groundwork for future revolution.
> 
> ***
> 
> This is obviously just an outline, and the essay itself will require
> extensive research to complete. Constructive comments would be greatly
> appreciated.
> 
> David Powers
> March 5, 2009
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


From cyborgk at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 11:34:51 2009
From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:34:51 -0600
Subject: [microsound] "When Facebook Isn't Fun, or,
	Why iLife Isn't My Life: Immaterial Labor in the Age of Web 2.0"
	(Draft)
In-Reply-To: <49AFF7AB.5060407@gmail.com>
References: <686ba4e40903050641v73602993mf8ac197726455f7f@mail.gmail.com>
	<49AFF7AB.5060407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <686ba4e40903050834m11ccefd8k5ab807014b47b245@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Just a couple of notes:

First, yes I'm a Marxist, and my essay will indeed be taking an
explictly Marxist position. I make no apology for that. My Marxism is
however not, I hope, simply a mechanical rehashing of some dogmatic
positions. The main Marxist philosophers I intend to reference are
actually Theodor Adorno and Henri Lefebvre, who both argued for
positions substantially different than those of the more vulgar,
dogmatic Marxists.

Second, you criticize the Marxist theory based on the theory of
alienation. I DO NOT intend to use the theory of alienation in my
critique of labor. The alienation critique is a part of early, more
humanist Marx and is not central to the concept of exploitation that I
am arguing here. My concept of exploitation is simply this: workers
create value, MONETARY VALUE, through their labor, but a surplus
portion of that value goes not to them but to increase the profits of
Capital. In the case of social networking sites, more and more
consumer-producers are producing cultural content and commodities for
FREE, but someone else is making a profit off of it.

Let me be clear here--I'm NOT saying that their is no "use value" to
Facebook for the user. I'm saying the cultural content they produce
also has "exchange value" -- monetary value -- but the user does not
receive this value normally, Facebook receives all the monetary value.

Finally, in the actual, finished essay (not the draft) I definitely
want to incorporate mention of Free Cultural Works and Free Software.
I will also have to look into Andrew Feenberg if I have time. Thanks
for your thoughtful comments. And for at least engaging a Marxist view
rather than simply scoffing, even if you disagree! ;-)

~David


On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Charlie DeTar <chazen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for sending this! ?It's a fun to think about.
>
> There are two aims this outline presents that I am sympathetic to:
> ?* Highlighting the imbalance of contributions to web2.0 sites when
> those contributions become owned by the web2.0 corporations
> ?* Searching for ways to promulgate ideas about alternative ways to view
> the world, outside a capitalist perspective; trying to break capitalist
> hegemony and understand its modes of self-perpetuation.
>
> That said, I find the over-reliance on Marxist analysis to fall a bit
> flat. ?Many Marxist ideas are worth considering, and are certainly
> important from a historical perspective, but even the example of a "Karl
> Marx facebook page" reeks of ineffectual undergraduate clubs which
> rehash old ideas and dream of the proletarian revolution as they picket
> a university. ?I'm skeptical of any overtly Marxist analysis finding
> traction in the Web2.0 world, thus I'm skeptical of section V in the
> outline.
>
> I don't believe this is just a problem with the fashionability (or lack
> thereof) of Marx -- I think there are theoretical problems with this as
> well. ?It seems that the primary crux of this outline has to do with
> labor -- the labor people contribute to web2.0 sites. ?The Marxist
> analysis would criticize capitalist labor for the alienation of workers
> from the fruits of their labor. ?But you can't claim that a Facebook
> contributor is alienated from their contributions to Facebook -- the
> user will have a flashier "wall", nicer photos, more in-depth and
> possibly more meaningful relationships with friends, etc. ?You can't
> pretend that these are merely workers driven into an exploitative
> relationship with a capitalist boss. ?People are free to use the system
> to the extent they wish, and to stop using it at any time, and they get
> value from their use. ?There may be edge cases where someone gets hurt
> by not using Facebook, but this is a stretch.
>
> It is precisely this positive value proposition that makes Facebook
> popular, and this is where it is insidious as well: ?Facebook exploits
> momentum, lack of critical analysis, and an initial lack of superior
> alternatives to become hegemonic. ?But I don't think this has much to do
> with labor, it seems to me that there's a deeper phenomenon of cultural
> momentum going on that might be interesting to explore. ?You might find
> some ideas in the work of Andrew Feenberg here -- he's a
> Science/Technology/Society researcher/philosopher exploring the
> relationship between social and technical production. ?Chapter 5 of his
> book "Questioning Technology" deals with the problems of human agency in
> a technocratically dominated world; this might be relevant.
>
> A couple of other directions that I would like to see an analysis like
> this go: ?first, it ought to consider the movements for Free Cultural
> Works and Free Software. ?These are astonishingly successful movements
> where, without the theoretical baggage of anti-capitalism, people are
> trying to create societal structures that promote the sharing of work in
> a way that preserves freedoms beyond those afforded by the
> Facebooks/YouTubes, and thus would eliminate the corporate control over
> peoples' production. ?The definitions (see
> http://freedomdefined.org/Definition ) take into account the radically
> different nature of digital production from the agrarian production Marx
> was familiar with.
>
> Second, you might consider alternative conceptions of what labor is. ?I
> found this essay on Buddhist Economics to have a refreshing alternative
> perspective on labor, which takes a holistic view on human wellness
> rather than the assumption that labor is an inherent "bad":
> http://www.smallisbeautiful.org/buddhist_economics/english.html
> Particularly where the labor you have in mind is labor undertaken during
> as recreation, it seems disingenuous to claim that the only value of the
> labor is in the commodity that is derived from it.
>
> cheers,
> Charlie
>

From bbrace at eskimo.com  Thu Mar  5 12:03:46 2009
From: bbrace at eskimo.com ({ brad brace })
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:03:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [microsound] "When Facebook Isn't Fun, or,
 Why iLife Isn't My Life: Immaterial Labor in the Age of Web 2.0"
 (Draft)
In-Reply-To: <686ba4e40903050641v73602993mf8ac197726455f7f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <686ba4e40903050641v73602993mf8ac197726455f7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.58.0903050805090.28964@eskimo.com>


Facebook adheres to the typical self-serving curatorial
agenda, but why not examine one of the most pervasive and
entrenched cultural scams -- artworld institutions! -- where
"unpaid labor" is an accepted abusive tradition! The
acolytes and their institutions, not the artists or their
heirs, get the real money -- and that's trillions of
tax-dollars diverted from possible public works -- only to
stockpile and establish (their received) 'cultural value' in
thousands of upper-middle-class social clubs a.k.a. art
museums!

/:b

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, David Powers wrote:

> "When Facebook Isn't Fun, or, Why iLife Isn't My Life: Immaterial
> Labor in the Age of Web 2.0"
>
> ***DRAFT OUTLINE***
>
> I. It Is Your Patriotic Duty to Consume
>
> Consumption, in the capital system, is not only a means of individuals
> reproducing themselvees, i.e. in the consumption of basic necessities;
> it is objectively necessary to the reproduction of the system. Thus
> Bush must admonish good Americans, in the wake of 9/11, to please go
> on consuming as usual. Underconsumption represents a danger to the
> system, especially to a system based on overproduction of goods that
> are not produced on any rational basis but only in the hopes of
> realizing a profit (i.e. according to Marx commodities exist only for
> their exchange value, not for their use value). It is imperative for
> capitalism that the commodity be consumed at some point, in order for
> capital, which has been invested in creating the commodity form, may
> again return to the form of money and thus capital. (M-C-M =
> Money-Commodity-Money).
>
> II. The Curse of Consumption as (Re)Production
>
> Thus, the more one consumes commodities, the more one participates in
> the reproduction of capitalism. The consumption of commodities is one
> aspect of the reproduction of everyday life under capitalism.
> Consumption of commodities, in this sense, must be understood as an
> entire system, that includes the consumption of advertising material,
> the work of choosing which commodities to buy, and the choice of a
> lifestyle or identity based on the consumption of particular kinds of
> commodities, both physical and cultural commodities (i.e. the high
> school student who identifies as "goth" or the enlightened consumer
> who buys only organic food and listens to NPR). Consumption, far from
> being an exercise of individual freedom, is in capitalism a duty and a
> form of unpaid work which is essential to the ongoing survival of the
> system.
>
> III. The Reproduction of Everyday Life
>
> Understanding the productive aspect of consumption requires
> understanding the way capitalism, as a totality, reproduces itself in
> all the mundane details of everyday existence. The works of Adorno and
> Lefebvre are key here, for both wrote extensively on this very
> subject. By exploring their theories, we can deepen our understanding
> of how contemporary capitalism operates not only in the realm of
> production, but as a total system that produces and reproduces persons
> and subjectivities and not only commodities.
>
> IV. Why Buy the Cow When You Can Get the Milk for Free
>
> >From consumption, we must now return to the realm of production in its
> cultural (and immaterial) form. With the so called "web 2.0
> revolution," we find that consumers are, in their leisure time, also
> becoming producers. But in this case, they are performing unpaid labor
> in the service of major corporations. Whereas once corporations had to
> pay workers to produce content for individuals to consume during their
> so called "free time," now consumers are producing such content
> themselves, for free! (This gives a whole new meaning to the term
> "free time"). Insofar as this production occurs on large corporate
> websites, such as MySpace and Facebook, consumer-producers are in fact
> allowing themselves to be exploited, creating capital (and surplus
> value) for the large corporations without receiving any compensation.
>
> V. The Struggle for Everyday Life
>
> Despite the overwhelming colonization of everyday life by the forces
> of capitalism, there are always already new possibilities for struggle
> opened up by changes in technology including the so called Web 2.0
> revolution. Especially, the same technologies used by the major
> corporations are also available to individuals and can be used in
> alternative ways; mailing lists, blogs, bulletin boards, and personal
> websites offer the possibility to produce critical thought and to act
> in non-productive ways that do not strengthen the system. Indeed,
> while overall the Facebook phenomena is an example of a new form of
> exploitation of immaterial labor, its content is ambivalent; one can
> imagine a Karl Marx or Theodor Adorno Facebook page, that uses the
> technology precisely in order to spread critical thinking that weakens
> the system, dispels ideology, and breaks through reified and false
> consciousness. One can also organize anti-capitalist and subversive
> actions more effectively using the internet, cell phones, and Web 2.0
> technologies. As long as capitalism exists there will also exist the
> possibility for anti-capitalist action, a possibility that lays the
> groundwork for future revolution.
>
> ***
>
> This is obviously just an outline, and the essay itself will require
> extensive research to complete. Constructive comments would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> David Powers
> March 5, 2009



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From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Thu Mar  5 12:12:17 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:12:17 -0800
Subject: [microsound] "When Facebook Isn't Fun, or,
	Why iLife Isn't My 	Life: Immaterial Labor in the Age of Web 2.0"
Message-ID: <35DB8E20-DF10-4FC0-869B-6038E7BBAACA@anechoicmedia.com>

David
this is a very good outline and a subject that needs more attention
especially now in light of the economic downturn when people might be  
more receptive to
looking a little closer at the cracks in the armor of capitalism
please keep posting updates to the list?
KIM
PS also, please don't xpost to the list -- that is verboten
:))



From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Thu Mar  5 13:07:11 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:07:11 -0800
Subject: [microsound] cross-posting is verboten
Message-ID: <6891E941-468B-4CE6-A710-C9410EF7F40A@anechoicmedia.com>

microsounders, please remember that cross-posting is NOT allowed on  
the main list
thanks!
the mgmt

From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Thu Mar  5 13:37:25 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:37:25 -0800
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day Deadline is FRIDAY MARCH 6th
Message-ID: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>

Pi Day approaches and as of today we have four pieces
http://projects.interdisciplina.org/microsound/project.php? 
name=pi_day_2008

can we expect more?

==============================================

*also, we need some visuals for the page
so any Photoshop/GIMP jockey's out there please rise to the challenge?

**can Paulo and/or John publish the specs and paths for the graphic  
elements again?

===============================================

can the people who submitted pieces (except for Marc)
please fix your ID3 tags and re-upload your pieces?

===============================================

here are the rules again:

Ok so the rules are fairly simple:
- the piece must make use of the constant known as Pi = 3.14159 in  
some way
- this time, let's keep all the pieces at EXACTLY 3:14 in length
- the file format must be mp3 @ 128kbps or better
   - don't remember if we can handle .flac with the current player...
               [John/Paulo, refresh my memory here?]
- no spaces or non alpha-numerics in the file name
    - good example: MyPiDaySubmission23.mp3
    - bad example: _pi day is % cool.mp3

any pieces that don't adhere to the rules will not be used
deadline is: Friday March 6 2009


***also, please DO NOT forget to make ID3 tags for your mp3s!***





From gary at meterpool.com  Thu Mar  5 13:54:08 2009
From: gary at meterpool.com (Gary R. Weisberg)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:54:08 -0500
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day Deadline is FRIDAY MARCH 6th
In-Reply-To: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>
References: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <49B01FD0.8070507@meterpool.com>

Actually, Kim, this is 2009, not 2008! (I know, we're all tired...;-))
Gary

Kim Cascone wrote:
> Pi Day approaches and as of today we have four pieces
> http://projects.interdisciplina.org/microsound/project.php? 
> name=pi_day_2008
>
> can we expect more?
>
> ==============================================
>
> *also, we need some visuals for the page
> so any Photoshop/GIMP jockey's out there please rise to the challenge?
>
> **can Paulo and/or John publish the specs and paths for the graphic  
> elements again?
>
> ===============================================
>
> can the people who submitted pieces (except for Marc)
> please fix your ID3 tags and re-upload your pieces?
>
> ===============================================
>
> here are the rules again:
>
> Ok so the rules are fairly simple:
> - the piece must make use of the constant known as Pi = 3.14159 in  
> some way
> - this time, let's keep all the pieces at EXACTLY 3:14 in length
> - the file format must be mp3 @ 128kbps or better
>    - don't remember if we can handle .flac with the current player...
>                [John/Paulo, refresh my memory here?]
> - no spaces or non alpha-numerics in the file name
>     - good example: MyPiDaySubmission23.mp3
>     - bad example: _pi day is % cool.mp3
>
> any pieces that don't adhere to the rules will not be used
> deadline is: Friday March 6 2009
>
>
> ***also, please DO NOT forget to make ID3 tags for your mp3s!***
>
>
>
>
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From cyborgk at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 13:55:16 2009
From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:55:16 -0600
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day Deadline is FRIDAY MARCH 6th
In-Reply-To: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>
References: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <686ba4e40903051055r4d32e58epb75719ab4eb2182b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I am a third of the way through my piece (I picked a time
consuming method)... I can probably finish by tomorrow, BUT ...
I was under the impression that we had until PI day, 3/14 itself to
finish for some reason; so this comes as a bit of a shock!!!!

~David

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
> Pi Day approaches and as of today we have four pieces
> http://projects.interdisciplina.org/microsound/project.php?
> name=pi_day_2008
>
> can we expect more?
>
> ==============================================
>
> *also, we need some visuals for the page
> so any Photoshop/GIMP jockey's out there please rise to the challenge?
>
> **can Paulo and/or John publish the specs and paths for the graphic
> elements again?
>
> ===============================================
>
> can the people who submitted pieces (except for Marc)
> please fix your ID3 tags and re-upload your pieces?
>
> ===============================================
>
> here are the rules again:
>
> Ok so the rules are fairly simple:
> - the piece must make use of the constant known as Pi = 3.14159 in
> some way
> - this time, let's keep all the pieces at EXACTLY 3:14 in length
> - the file format must be mp3 @ 128kbps or better
> ? - don't remember if we can handle .flac with the current player...
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? [John/Paulo, refresh my memory here?]
> - no spaces or non alpha-numerics in the file name
> ? ?- good example: MyPiDaySubmission23.mp3
> ? ?- bad example: _pi day is % cool.mp3
>
> any pieces that don't adhere to the rules will not be used
> deadline is: Friday March 6 2009
>
>
> ***also, please DO NOT forget to make ID3 tags for your mp3s!***
>
>
>
>
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> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>

From brymoxine at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  5 14:05:03 2009
From: brymoxine at yahoo.com (bryan garcia)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:05:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [microsound] "When Facebook Isn't Fun, or,
	Why iLife Isn't My Life: Immaterial Labor in the Age of Web 2.0"
	(Draft)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.4.58.0903050805090.28964@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <645341.6498.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


i've resisted the facebook(and all other social networking) temptations.

i knew there was an educated reason why. 


thanks david.

i can now back up why i have to tell me mom and brother and a million other people why i don't comment on their stupid updates on their stupid facebooks.  


stupid internet,

brymoxine



--- On Thu, 3/5/09, { brad brace } <bbrace at eskimo.com> wrote:

> From: { brad brace } <bbrace at eskimo.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] "When Facebook Isn't Fun, or, Why iLife Isn't My Life: Immaterial Labor in the Age of Web 2.0" (Draft)
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Cc: "Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition" <marxism at lists.econ.utah.edu>, "jaded83" <jaded83 at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:03 AM
> Facebook adheres to the typical self-serving curatorial
> agenda, but why not examine one of the most pervasive and
> entrenched cultural scams -- artworld institutions! --
> where
> "unpaid labor" is an accepted abusive tradition!
> The
> acolytes and their institutions, not the artists or their
> heirs, get the real money -- and that's trillions of
> tax-dollars diverted from possible public works -- only to
> stockpile and establish (their received) 'cultural
> value' in
> thousands of upper-middle-class social clubs a.k.a. art
> museums!
> 
> /:b
> 
> On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, David Powers wrote:
> 
> > "When Facebook Isn't Fun, or, Why iLife
> Isn't My Life: Immaterial
> > Labor in the Age of Web 2.0"
> >
> > ***DRAFT OUTLINE***
> >
> > I. It Is Your Patriotic Duty to Consume
> >
> > Consumption, in the capital system, is not only a
> means of individuals
> > reproducing themselvees, i.e. in the consumption of
> basic necessities;
> > it is objectively necessary to the reproduction of the
> system. Thus
> > Bush must admonish good Americans, in the wake of
> 9/11, to please go
> > on consuming as usual. Underconsumption represents a
> danger to the
> > system, especially to a system based on overproduction
> of goods that
> > are not produced on any rational basis but only in the
> hopes of
> > realizing a profit (i.e. according to Marx commodities
> exist only for
> > their exchange value, not for their use value). It is
> imperative for
> > capitalism that the commodity be consumed at some
> point, in order for
> > capital, which has been invested in creating the
> commodity form, may
> > again return to the form of money and thus capital.
> (M-C-M =
> > Money-Commodity-Money).
> >
> > II. The Curse of Consumption as (Re)Production
> >
> > Thus, the more one consumes commodities, the more one
> participates in
> > the reproduction of capitalism. The consumption of
> commodities is one
> > aspect of the reproduction of everyday life under
> capitalism.
> > Consumption of commodities, in this sense, must be
> understood as an
> > entire system, that includes the consumption of
> advertising material,
> > the work of choosing which commodities to buy, and the
> choice of a
> > lifestyle or identity based on the consumption of
> particular kinds of
> > commodities, both physical and cultural commodities
> (i.e. the high
> > school student who identifies as "goth" or
> the enlightened consumer
> > who buys only organic food and listens to NPR).
> Consumption, far from
> > being an exercise of individual freedom, is in
> capitalism a duty and a
> > form of unpaid work which is essential to the ongoing
> survival of the
> > system.
> >
> > III. The Reproduction of Everyday Life
> >
> > Understanding the productive aspect of consumption
> requires
> > understanding the way capitalism, as a totality,
> reproduces itself in
> > all the mundane details of everyday existence. The
> works of Adorno and
> > Lefebvre are key here, for both wrote extensively on
> this very
> > subject. By exploring their theories, we can deepen
> our understanding
> > of how contemporary capitalism operates not only in
> the realm of
> > production, but as a total system that produces and
> reproduces persons
> > and subjectivities and not only commodities.
> >
> > IV. Why Buy the Cow When You Can Get the Milk for Free
> >
> > >From consumption, we must now return to the realm
> of production in its
> > cultural (and immaterial) form. With the so called
> "web 2.0
> > revolution," we find that consumers are, in their
> leisure time, also
> > becoming producers. But in this case, they are
> performing unpaid labor
> > in the service of major corporations. Whereas once
> corporations had to
> > pay workers to produce content for individuals to
> consume during their
> > so called "free time," now consumers are
> producing such content
> > themselves, for free! (This gives a whole new meaning
> to the term
> > "free time"). Insofar as this production
> occurs on large corporate
> > websites, such as MySpace and Facebook,
> consumer-producers are in fact
> > allowing themselves to be exploited, creating capital
> (and surplus
> > value) for the large corporations without receiving
> any compensation.
> >
> > V. The Struggle for Everyday Life
> >
> > Despite the overwhelming colonization of everyday life
> by the forces
> > of capitalism, there are always already new
> possibilities for struggle
> > opened up by changes in technology including the so
> called Web 2.0
> > revolution. Especially, the same technologies used by
> the major
> > corporations are also available to individuals and can
> be used in
> > alternative ways; mailing lists, blogs, bulletin
> boards, and personal
> > websites offer the possibility to produce critical
> thought and to act
> > in non-productive ways that do not strengthen the
> system. Indeed,
> > while overall the Facebook phenomena is an example of
> a new form of
> > exploitation of immaterial labor, its content is
> ambivalent; one can
> > imagine a Karl Marx or Theodor Adorno Facebook page,
> that uses the
> > technology precisely in order to spread critical
> thinking that weakens
> > the system, dispels ideology, and breaks through
> reified and false
> > consciousness. One can also organize anti-capitalist
> and subversive
> > actions more effectively using the internet, cell
> phones, and Web 2.0
> > technologies. As long as capitalism exists there will
> also exist the
> > possibility for anti-capitalist action, a possibility
> that lays the
> > groundwork for future revolution.
> >
> > ***
> >
> > This is obviously just an outline, and the essay
> itself will require
> > extensive research to complete. Constructive comments
> would be greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
> > David Powers
> > March 5, 2009
> 
> 
> 
> "We fill the craters left by the bombs
> And once again we sing
> And once again we sow
> Because life never surrenders."
> -- anonymous Vietnamese poem
> 
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From roachboy at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 14:10:13 2009
From: roachboy at gmail.com (Stephen Hastings-King)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:10:13 -0500
Subject: [microsound] "When Facebook Isn't Fun, or,
	Why iLife Isn't My Life: Immaterial Labor in the Age of Web 2.0"
	(Draft)
In-Reply-To: <686ba4e40903050641v73602993mf8ac197726455f7f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <686ba4e40903050641v73602993mf8ac197726455f7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3a5562340903051110m60ba9244w8759593f84b97dd8@mail.gmail.com>

i'll put some comments in between your lines below.


>
> ***DRAFT OUTLINE***
>
> I. It Is Your Patriotic Duty to Consume
>
> Consumption, in the capital system, is not only a means of individuals
> reproducing themselvees, i.e. in the consumption of basic necessities;
> it is objectively necessary to the reproduction of the system.


===>capitalism encompasses a sequence of dominant arrangements.
it seems to me that the above is a consequence of fordism.  in the
regulation school versions of the story of fordism, expansion of consumer
credit was linked to progressively increasing wages guaranteed by collective
bargaining arrangements (the problem here, as with most of regulation school
work, is the tendency to treat all of a particular phase of capitalism as a
mode of production/totality that can be comprehended on the basis of making
allegory of industrial production and the socio-political relations which
enframed it--this production was itself locked into a particular
geographical configuration, which was made explicit later on obviously--but
that by the bye)

another way: the centrality of mass consumption is a function of the
emergence of mass production of consumer goods.  it was underpinned by the
expansion of consumer credit into mortgages which entailed the fashioning of
all manner of happiness production facilities within the suburban home
establishment (paradigmatically)...the argument goes that so long as this
was linked to the above, the outcome was a relatively stable variant of
capitalism.  but fordism for a variety of reasons (which move around
depending on the analyst--there's not a consensus on a set of explanations
for it) gave way to flex accumulation (sticking with the regulation school
terminology for consistency's sake) across the 1970s and then to the
shangri-la of neoliberal-land/"globalization"...castells is still the best
i've seen on this (rise of the network society)...

the line would be that there's a basic defunctionalization of the
underpinnings of this consumption-uber-alles rationality that accompanied
the transition away from fordism.  i think i'm getting ahead of myself.
back to the passage.  but the point is important--you can't really talk
about features of capitalism like consumption as if they're metaphysical.
the nouns denote relations that are framed in ways that are historically
specific (and which therefore change)...


> Thus
> Bush must admonish good Americans, in the wake of 9/11, to please go
> on consuming as usual. Underconsumption represents a danger to the
> system, especially to a system based on overproduction of goods that
> are not produced on any rational basis but only in the hopes of
> realizing a profit (i.e. according to Marx commodities exist only for
> their exchange value, not for their use value). It is imperative for
> capitalism that the commodity be consumed at some point, in order for
> capital, which has been invested in creating the commodity form, may
> again return to the form of money and thus capital. (M-C-M =
> Money-Commodity-Money).
>

ok so it turns out that, in my view, for this to work you have to be more
concrete about consumption in the contemporary phase of capitalist
devolution.
the simplest way to do it is to see in it a kind of "fordist
nostalgia"---which is a strictly ideological question (in the most marxian
sense of the term).
*that* is why the bush people's attempts to continue consumption levels at
levels entirely unhinged from the geography of production is such a problem.
there's alot that could be said about all this.  that's another problem.

what the allusion to capital seems to do is operate as a tautology.  you
start with a notion of consumption and then restate it in terms of m-c-m.


>
> II. The Curse of Consumption as (Re)Production
>
> Thus, the more one consumes commodities, the more one participates in
> the reproduction of capitalism.


this is strange.  it sounds like commodities are in themselves ideology
spores that trap unsuspecting people with lovely smells and gets those
people to play with them.  once a magic buttong gets pushed, typically by
accident i guess, the Evil Ideology Rhizome embeds itself in the skull of
the unsuspecting people.  and so on.  here it seems to me that you run into
a version of the upside and downside of the section on commodity fetishism
at the same time.


> The consumption of commodities is one
> aspect of the reproduction of everyday life under capitalism.
> Consumption of commodities, in this sense, must be understood as an
> entire system, that includes the consumption of advertising material,
> the work of choosing which commodities to buy, and the choice of a
> lifestyle or identity based on the consumption of particular kinds of
> commodities, both physical and cultural commodities (i.e. the high
> school student who identifies as "goth" or the enlightened consumer
> who buys only organic food and listens to NPR).


ok so this is more about ideological reproduction, which situates the
playing with commodities (and the identities that are offered along with
them.  the appeal of this is, i think, that people like to like things in
the way they're told they like to like them.  we're free like that, you
see.)


> Consumption, far from
> being an exercise of individual freedom, is in capitalism a duty and a
> form of unpaid work which is essential to the ongoing survival of the
> system.


this is the pivot in the argument of the whole piece, yes? i'm not sure
about whether it's best to argue the point explicitly or slide it in this
way.  i suppose it's a genre question, really--what you see this piece as
being, what you want it to do.

>
>
> III. The Reproduction of Everyday Life
>
> Understanding the productive aspect of consumption requires
> understanding the way capitalism, as a totality, reproduces itself in
> all the mundane details of everyday existence. The works of Adorno and
> Lefebvre are key here, for both wrote extensively on this very
> subject. By exploring their theories, we can deepen our understanding
> of how contemporary capitalism operates not only in the realm of
> production, but as a total system that produces and reproduces persons
> and subjectivities and not only commodities.
>

uh...as interesting as i've found these two at various times, for various
reasons, i wouldn't set them up as Magical Figures that have Worked It All
Out.
social reproduction is (again) a dynamic shaped by parameters that, again,
are historically variable.  so there's alot of work that can and should be
done on an ongoing basis in order to figure out how that reproduction both
is organized (fabrication of demand and so forth) and is ordered "from
below" (via relations that are brought into play within/across demand as
fabricated.  i'm not sure how clear this is: it's shorthand.  what it seems
to point toward is a philosophical and anthropological field of
interrogation.  at best, adorno and lefebvre show what such work might look
like.  but they didn't do it for us.  they did it in terms shaped by their
particular trajectories and situations.  it's just like that.


>
> IV. Why Buy the Cow When You Can Get the Milk for Free
>
> >From consumption, we must now return to the realm of production in its
> cultural (and immaterial) form.


frame switch into cognitive capital analysis.


> With the so called "web 2.0
> revolution," we find that consumers are, in their leisure time, also
> becoming producers. But in this case, they are performing unpaid labor
> in the service of major corporations.


i think brad brace is right about this part.


> Whereas once corporations had to
> pay workers to produce content for individuals to consume during their
> so called "free time," now consumers are producing such content
> themselves, for free! (This gives a whole new meaning to the term
> "free time").


yeah--i agree with one of the other folk here that you need to make some
separations here between whatever you take open source-ish work to be and
imply and
where you go next.  personally, i looked into the politics of this stuff
quite a while ago and found that there are a ton of what i suppose i'd call
right nietzchean types playing in this world, which make of it a kind of
corporate farm team...but that's not all that's either happening or is
possible.  either way, this is different from myspace etc.

Insofar as this production occurs on large corporate
> websites, such as MySpace and Facebook, consumer-producers are in fact
> allowing themselves to be exploited, creating capital (and surplus
> value) for the large corporations without receiving any compensation.
>

i assume you're referencing at one level or another the claims to ownership
that facebook made to the content that was posted to it, which they say
they've run away from since.

>
> V. The Struggle for Everyday Life
>
> Despite the overwhelming colonization of everyday life by the forces
> of capitalism, there are always already new possibilities for struggle
> opened up by changes in technology including the so called Web 2.0
> revolution. Especially, the same technologies used by the major
> corporations are also available to individuals and can be used in
> alternative ways; mailing lists, blogs, bulletin boards, and personal
> websites offer the possibility to produce critical thought and to act
> in non-productive ways that do not strengthen the system. Indeed,
> while overall the Facebook phenomena is an example of a new form of
> exploitation of immaterial labor, its content is ambivalent; one can
> imagine a Karl Marx or Theodor Adorno Facebook page, that uses the
> technology precisely in order to spread critical thinking that weakens
> the system, dispels ideology, and breaks through reified and false
> consciousness. One can also organize anti-capitalist and subversive
> actions more effectively using the internet, cell phones, and Web 2.0
> technologies. As long as capitalism exists there will also exist the
> possibility for anti-capitalist action, a possibility that lays the
> groundwork for future revolution.
>

on this, i dunno.  i don't see it.  it reminds me of something you'd read
about in that older collection "commodify your dissent"
but this is not easy, thinking about what revolution is at this point, what
level one can and should work on or about in order to help speed the plow.

i gotta go.

stephen

>
> ***
>
> This is obviously just an outline, and the essay itself will require
> extensive research to complete. Constructive comments would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> David Powers
> March 5, 2009
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From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Thu Mar  5 14:13:49 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:13:49 -0800
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day Deadline is FRIDAY MARCH 6th: redux
Message-ID: <11C17D70-CC02-4DCE-84B7-7D25B5DB52D1@anechoicmedia.com>

DISREGARD THIS PREVIOUS EMAIL!

Pi Day approaches and as of today we have four pieces
http://projects.interdisciplina.org/microsound/project.php? 
name=pi_day_2008

can we expect more?

=========================================

I spaced on the fact that it was PiDay2008 and not this years project

that being said Paulo still has to manually fix the pull down menu on  
the main page

***but ID3 tags must be filled in and tested once we can all see the  
project page***





From craque at craque.net  Thu Mar  5 14:27:42 2009
From: craque at craque.net (craquemattic)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:27:42 -0800
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day Deadline is FRIDAY MARCH 6th
In-Reply-To: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>
References: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <3BF78D3F-CE3A-4355-A749-90C005695584@craque.net>

Yup, mine will be there.

On Mar 5, 2009, at 10:37, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:

> Pi Day approaches and as of today we have four pieces
> http://projects.interdisciplina.org/microsound/project.php?
> name=pi_day_2008
>
> can we expect more?
>
> ==============================================
>
> *also, we need some visuals for the page
> so any Photoshop/GIMP jockey's out there please rise to the challenge?
>
> **can Paulo and/or John publish the specs and paths for the graphic
> elements again?
>
> ===============================================
>
> can the people who submitted pieces (except for Marc)
> please fix your ID3 tags and re-upload your pieces?
>
> ===============================================
>
> here are the rules again:
>
> Ok so the rules are fairly simple:
> - the piece must make use of the constant known as Pi = 3.14159 in
> some way
> - this time, let's keep all the pieces at EXACTLY 3:14 in length
> - the file format must be mp3 @ 128kbps or better
>   - don't remember if we can handle .flac with the current player...
>               [John/Paulo, refresh my memory here?]
> - no spaces or non alpha-numerics in the file name
>    - good example: MyPiDaySubmission23.mp3
>    - bad example: _pi day is % cool.mp3
>
> any pieces that don't adhere to the rules will not be used
> deadline is: Friday March 6 2009
>
>
> ***also, please DO NOT forget to make ID3 tags for your mp3s!***
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Thu Mar  5 14:47:40 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:47:40 -0800
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day approaches
Message-ID: <19D0A42D-9CA4-48CE-B640-622874B168C8@anechoicmedia.com>

> Actually, Kim, this is 2009, not 2008! (I know, we're all tired...;-))

sorry, a multi-tasking glitch ;)

'there are no failures, only new and interesting sound files'


From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Thu Mar  5 15:34:40 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:34:40 -0800
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day 2009 redux reduxii
Message-ID: <12E2E808-50BD-4E58-9A11-C8AE160919CE@anechoicmedia.com>

Ok so we have the pull down menu working now
for the Pi Day 2009 project
and I checked the date twice in between
writing new text for my new cd
and editing field recordings
and we still have people forgetting to test and fix their ID3 tags

can the composers who contributed please have a look, fix their mp3's  
and re-upload them?
http://projects.interdisciplina.org/microsound/project.php? 
name=pi_day_2009

also, major kudos to '.microsound web gods' Paulo and John for fixing  
the pull down menu :)



From auxpin at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Mar  5 16:36:58 2009
From: auxpin at yahoo.co.uk (Colin Bradley)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:36:58 +0000
Subject: [microsound] microsound Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11639.1236280223.3925.microsound@or8.net>
References: <mailman.11639.1236280223.3925.microsound@or8.net>
Message-ID: <6A8962A7-1E90-438E-8B3B-F1B75BC99850@yahoo.co.uk>

oh man, whats with all the repeated digest messages today


From gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  5 22:06:59 2009
From: gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com (gerardo figueroa)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:06:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day 2009 redux reduxii
In-Reply-To: <12E2E808-50BD-4E58-9A11-C8AE160919CE@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <211174.43847.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


oh my!

i mixed up the deadline dates - thought it was march 13th :S

i'm in a middle timing for the piece (1 min. and sth.) :(

better luck for next project - "por mucho abarcar, poc? apret?" ;)

gerardo figueroa rodr?guez
gfr broadcasting system
http://www.geocities.com/gerardofigueroacl/bs
http://gfrbroadcastingsystem.blogspot.com/


--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:

> From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
> Subject: [microsound] Pi Day 2009 redux reduxii
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 3:34 PM
> Ok so we have the pull down menu working now
> for the Pi Day 2009 project
> and I checked the date twice in between
> writing new text for my new cd
> and editing field recordings
> and we still have people forgetting to test and fix their
> ID3 tags
> 
> can the composers who contributed please have a look, fix
> their mp3's  
> and re-upload them?
> http://projects.interdisciplina.org/microsound/project.php?
> 
> name=pi_day_2009
> 
> also, major kudos to '.microsound web gods' Paulo
> and John for fixing  
> the pull down menu :)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


      

From jcespinosa at aol.com  Thu Mar  5 22:23:11 2009
From: jcespinosa at aol.com (jcespinosa at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:23:11 -0500
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day 2009 redux reduxii
In-Reply-To: <211174.43847.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB6C220325C5BC-1504-18FA@FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com>


 That is becoming my motto and destiny................



"por mucho abarcar, poc? apret?"


 


 Juan Carlos


 

-----Original Message-----
From: gerardo figueroa <gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com>
To: microsound at microsound.org
Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:06 pm
Subject: Re: [microsound] Pi Day 2009 redux reduxii











oh my!

i mixed up the deadline dates - thought it was march 13th :S

i'm in a middle timing for the piece (1 min. and sth.) :(

better luck for next project - "por mucho abarcar, poc? apret?" ;)

gerardo figueroa rodr?guez
gfr broadcasting system
http://www.geocities.com/gerardofigueroacl/bs
http://gfrbroadcastingsystem.blogspot.com/


--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:

> From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
> Subject: [microsound] Pi Day 2009 redux reduxii
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 3:34 PM
> Ok so we have the pull down menu working now
> for the Pi Day 2009 project
> and I checked the date twice in between
> writing new text for my new cd
> and editing field recordings
> and we still have people forgetting to test and fix their
> ID3 tags
> 
> can the composers who contributed please have a look, fix
> their mp3's  
> and re-upload them?
> http://projects.interdisciplina.org/microsound/project.php?
> 
> name=pi_day_2009
> 
> also, major kudos to '.microsound web gods' Paulo
> and John for fixing  
> the pull down menu :)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
>20microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


      
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microsound mailing list
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From calevacher at numericable.fr  Fri Mar  6 01:25:24 2009
From: calevacher at numericable.fr (Valery Levacher)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 07:25:24 +0100
Subject: [microsound] (no subject)
Message-ID: <97CD5C01-9E8C-4634-B8ED-BD5926EFEA6A@numericable.fr>



From picnet at urlme.net  Fri Mar  6 07:05:47 2009
From: picnet at urlme.net (Mike)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:05:47 +0200
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day approaches
In-Reply-To: <19D0A42D-9CA4-48CE-B640-622874B168C8@anechoicmedia.com>
References: <19D0A42D-9CA4-48CE-B640-622874B168C8@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <A22A2973-07D7-4CD3-8A65-B896458D6D6D@urlme.net>

HI,

My composition "Rolling PI" has been uploaded to the PI Day 2009  
repository.

More info: http://www.urlme.net/blog/?p=651

BR
-Mike.

On Mar 5, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Kim Cascone wrote:

>> Actually, Kim, this is 2009, not 2008! (I know, we're all  
>> tired...;-))
>
> sorry, a multi-tasking glitch ;)
>
> 'there are no failures, only new and interesting sound files'
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


From pprice at speakeasy.net  Fri Mar  6 07:35:36 2009
From: pprice at speakeasy.net (peter price)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:35:36 +0100
Subject: [microsound] vienna scene
In-Reply-To: <35DB8E20-DF10-4FC0-869B-6038E7BBAACA@anechoicmedia.com>
References: <35DB8E20-DF10-4FC0-869B-6038E7BBAACA@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <72B3D0A7-A389-4D36-995A-0FF15DD444D3@speakeasy.net>

are there any microsounders who might be able to contact me off list  
who are familiar with the scene in vienna? I have heard there is some  
really interesting work being done here, but i don't know where to look.

thanks,

peter

From clemens.hausch at gmx.at  Fri Mar  6 07:51:52 2009
From: clemens.hausch at gmx.at (clemens hausch)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:51:52 +0100
Subject: [microsound] vienna scene
In-Reply-To: <72B3D0A7-A389-4D36-995A-0FF15DD444D3@speakeasy.net>
References: <35DB8E20-DF10-4FC0-869B-6038E7BBAACA@anechoicmedia.com>
	<72B3D0A7-A389-4D36-995A-0FF15DD444D3@speakeasy.net>
Message-ID: <D243CD99-3501-4B15-B3E1-2BF93C84AB0C@gmx.at>

well depends on what exactly you understand under microsound--
but there is a lot going on actually..
but there is, for starters, the velak gala, organized by some guys  
from the university for music / electroacoustic class,
http://velak.klingt.org/
in general all kinds of events around the klingt.org folks
http://klingt.org/gro.tgnilk/events/index.html
and there is also our nice little >klub moozak<, a monthly event, but  
with a broader range of styles....
next one being next wednesday, 11.3., with the noisy >skylla< (silvia  
f?ssler, billy roisz) and the more idm-ish >one man nation<
though not always microsoundy, it's definitely worth a visit ;)
there is still a lot more, others might help here...
cheers,
clemens


Am 06.03.2009 um 13:35 schrieb peter price:

> are there any microsounders who might be able to contact me off list
> who are familiar with the scene in vienna? I have heard there is some
> really interesting work being done here, but i don't know where to  
> look.
>
> thanks,
>
> peter
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

-
http://www.moozak.org
http://www.myspace.com/clemenshausch
http://www.unfinishedbusiness.at
http://www.myspace.com/klubmoozak



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From clemens.hausch at gmx.at  Fri Mar  6 08:25:41 2009
From: clemens.hausch at gmx.at (clemens hausch)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:25:41 +0100
Subject: [microsound] vienna scene
In-Reply-To: <D243CD99-3501-4B15-B3E1-2BF93C84AB0C@gmx.at>
References: <35DB8E20-DF10-4FC0-869B-6038E7BBAACA@anechoicmedia.com>
	<72B3D0A7-A389-4D36-995A-0FF15DD444D3@speakeasy.net>
	<D243CD99-3501-4B15-B3E1-2BF93C84AB0C@gmx.at>
Message-ID: <34524183-DC87-42D8-9734-0CDCCB44D785@gmx.at>

aargh.....!!!
sorry! i wrote "for starters" -- but meant "to start with"!!! big big  
sorry!!!
velak events are a lot more microsoundish than most other things  
around here and feature pretty cool artists!!
bad english!
wurx!!!!
also i forgot to post the moozak link:
http://www.myspace.com/klubmoozak
with all the dates and stuff
cheers,
clemens


Am 06.03.2009 um 13:51 schrieb clemens hausch:

> well depends on what exactly you understand under microsound--
> but there is a lot going on actually..
> but there is, for starters, the velak gala, organized by some guys  
> from the university for music / electroacoustic class,
> http://velak.klingt.org/
> in general all kinds of events around the klingt.org folks
> http://klingt.org/gro.tgnilk/events/index.html
> and there is also our nice little >klub moozak<, a monthly event,  
> but with a broader range of styles....
> next one being next wednesday, 11.3., with the noisy >skylla<  
> (silvia f?ssler, billy roisz) and the more idm-ish >one man nation<
> though not always microsoundy, it's definitely worth a visit ;)
> there is still a lot more, others might help here...
> cheers,
> clemens
>
>
> Am 06.03.2009 um 13:35 schrieb peter price:
>
>> are there any microsounders who might be able to contact me off list
>> who are familiar with the scene in vienna? I have heard there is some
>> really interesting work being done here, but i don't know where to  
>> look.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> peter
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
> -
> http://www.moozak.org
> http://www.myspace.com/clemenshausch
> http://www.unfinishedbusiness.at
> http://www.myspace.com/klubmoozak
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

-
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From billjarboe at earthlink.net  Fri Mar  6 11:24:55 2009
From: billjarboe at earthlink.net (Bill Jarboe)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:24:55 -0800
Subject: [microsound] vienna scene
In-Reply-To: <34524183-DC87-42D8-9734-0CDCCB44D785@gmx.at>
References: <35DB8E20-DF10-4FC0-869B-6038E7BBAACA@anechoicmedia.com>
	<72B3D0A7-A389-4D36-995A-0FF15DD444D3@speakeasy.net>
	<D243CD99-3501-4B15-B3E1-2BF93C84AB0C@gmx.at>
	<34524183-DC87-42D8-9734-0CDCCB44D785@gmx.at>
Message-ID: <BC2A7876-E797-4B43-A696-C9CFB1A23D9A@earthlink.net>


On Mar 6, 2009, at 5:25 AM, clemens hausch wrote:

> aargh.....!!!
> sorry! i wrote "for starters" -- but meant "to start with"!!! big  
> big sorry!!!

    "for starters" looks like good english. I've known english  
teachers to speak that way in a similar context.
> velak events are a lot more microsoundish than most other things  
> around here and feature pretty cool artists!!
> bad english!
> wurx!!!!
> also i forgot to post the moozak link:
> http://www.myspace.com/klubmoozak
> with all the dates and stuff
> cheers,
> clemens
>

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From clemens.hausch at gmx.at  Fri Mar  6 11:50:47 2009
From: clemens.hausch at gmx.at (clemens hausch)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:50:47 +0100
Subject: [microsound] vienna scene
In-Reply-To: <BC2A7876-E797-4B43-A696-C9CFB1A23D9A@earthlink.net>
References: <35DB8E20-DF10-4FC0-869B-6038E7BBAACA@anechoicmedia.com>
	<72B3D0A7-A389-4D36-995A-0FF15DD444D3@speakeasy.net>
	<D243CD99-3501-4B15-B3E1-2BF93C84AB0C@gmx.at>
	<34524183-DC87-42D8-9734-0CDCCB44D785@gmx.at>
	<BC2A7876-E797-4B43-A696-C9CFB1A23D9A@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <309FC1FE-9883-4DCC-BE4D-F13693917EED@gmx.at>

oh - i just looked it up in the dictionary--
so my english is subconsciously better than i thought.
please ingnore that message then ;)

Am 06.03.2009 um 17:24 schrieb Bill Jarboe:

>
> On Mar 6, 2009, at 5:25 AM, clemens hausch wrote:
>
>> aargh.....!!!
>> sorry! i wrote "for starters" -- but meant "to start with"!!! big  
>> big sorry!!!
>
>    "for starters" looks like good english. I've known english  
> teachers to speak that way in a similar context.
>> velak events are a lot more microsoundish than most other things  
>> around here and feature pretty cool artists!!
>> bad english!
>> wurx!!!!
>> also i forgot to post the moozak link:
>> http://www.myspace.com/klubmoozak
>> with all the dates and stuff
>> cheers,
>> clemens
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

-
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http://www.myspace.com/clemenshausch
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From rlainhart at otownmedia.com  Fri Mar  6 12:37:22 2009
From: rlainhart at otownmedia.com (Richard Lainhart)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:37:22 -0500
Subject: [microsound] Blackbird Pi
Message-ID: <7338BDEF-6D55-4949-9972-F4A77C54018E@otownmedia.com>

Friends: I've uploaded my Pi Day 2009 contribution to the repository.  
It's the sound of 1000 migrating blackbirds recorded on the morning of  
March 6, 2009, timestretched to 3.14 seconds and spectrally  
transformed with 3.14159 entered into plugin value fields wherever  
possible.

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist the pun.)



Richard Lainhart
http://www.otownmedia.com
http://www.downloadplatform.com/richard_lainhart
http://www.vimeo.com/rlainhart
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From floresrafael at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 14:54:05 2009
From: floresrafael at gmail.com (rafael flores)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 20:54:05 +0100
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day approaches
In-Reply-To: <A22A2973-07D7-4CD3-8A65-B896458D6D6D@urlme.net>
References: <19D0A42D-9CA4-48CE-B640-622874B168C8@anechoicmedia.com>
	<A22A2973-07D7-4CD3-8A65-B896458D6D6D@urlme.net>
Message-ID: <289c8b990903061154r5f3aa736iab5d8a68c3b38773@mail.gmail.com>

my contribution "piscene" to pi day 2009 project
is uploaded to repository.

Rafael Flores

http://www.rafaelflores.es

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Mike <picnet at urlme.net> wrote:

> HI,
>
> My composition "Rolling PI" has been uploaded to the PI Day 2009
> repository.
>
> More info: http://www.urlme.net/blog/?p=651
>
> BR
> -Mike.
>
> On Mar 5, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Kim Cascone wrote:
>
> >> Actually, Kim, this is 2009, not 2008! (I know, we're all
> >> tired...;-))
> >
> > sorry, a multi-tasking glitch ;)
> >
> > 'there are no failures, only new and interesting sound files'
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > microsound mailing list
> > microsound at microsound.org
> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
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From dave at mysterybear.net  Fri Mar  6 15:13:38 2009
From: dave at mysterybear.net (Dave Seidel)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:13:38 -0500
Subject: [microsound] Blackbird Pi
In-Reply-To: <7338BDEF-6D55-4949-9972-F4A77C54018E@otownmedia.com>
References: <7338BDEF-6D55-4949-9972-F4A77C54018E@otownmedia.com>
Message-ID: <49B183F2.7070107@mysterybear.net>

But Richard, 1000 does not equal 4 + 20! :-)

- Dave

Richard Lainhart wrote:
> Friends: I've uploaded my Pi Day 2009 contribution to the repository. 
> It's the sound of 1000 migrating blackbirds recorded on the morning of 
> March 6, 2009, timestretched to 3.14 seconds and spectrally transformed 
> with 3.14159 entered into plugin value fields wherever possible.
> 
> (I'm sorry, I couldn't resist the pun.)
> 
> 
> 
> Richard Lainhart
> http://www.otownmedia.com <http://www.otownmedia.com/>
> http://www.downloadplatform.com/richard_lainhart
> http://www.vimeo.com/rlainhart
> http://www.youtube.com/rlainhart

-- 
~DaveSeidel = [
   http://mysterybear.net,
   http://daveseidel.tumblr.com,
   http://twitter.com/DaveSeidel
];


From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Fri Mar  6 17:09:30 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 14:09:30 -0800
Subject: [microsound] ID3 tags
Message-ID: <7026414F-254B-4D97-B929-010BD15BCCBC@anechoicmedia.com>

microsounders
please FIX your ID3 tags in your mp3 pieces!
or they will be taken down


From thinksamuel at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  6 18:15:56 2009
From: thinksamuel at yahoo.com (Samuel van ransbeeck)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:15:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [microsound] looking for a laserish sound
Message-ID: <522724.15583.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I am looking for a laser-like sound, similar like this one in the beginning of this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jg6MXht-JU
Anyone can help me?

Thanks
Samuel Van Ransbeeck


      

From jim.lee at verizon.net  Fri Mar  6 18:28:00 2009
From: jim.lee at verizon.net (Jim Lee)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:28:00 -0500
Subject: [microsound] looking for a laserish sound
In-Reply-To: <522724.15583.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <522724.15583.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49B1B180.50501@verizon.net>

A piezo transducer on a very long tight wire or cable will give it to 
you. So will a "slinky" stretched and plunked.
Here is an example from an amplifiied slinky embedded in a sculpture:  
http://www.bambooturtle.us/swarm2.mp3
You would probably not be so interested in all of the lo freq stuff 
associated with that one but that is what filters are for.
Good Luck
Jim

Samuel van ransbeeck wrote:
> I am looking for a laser-like sound, similar like this one in the beginning of this video
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jg6MXht-JU
> Anyone can help me?
>
> Thanks
> Samuel Van Ransbeeck
>
>
>       
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>   

-- 
Jim Lee - Bamboo Turtle Studio
http://www.bambooturtle.com

Home of the Rock Nest Monster
http://www.bambooturtle.us/Rock_Nest_Monster.html




From herrickalan at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  6 18:43:56 2009
From: herrickalan at yahoo.com (Alan Herrick)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:43:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [microsound] ID3 tags
In-Reply-To: <7026414F-254B-4D97-B929-010BD15BCCBC@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <801895.51717.qm@web83601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

the trick is to use ID3v1 tags for the project page to display the info properly. My file was tagged with ID3v2.3 and the info was not being displayed

--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
Subject: [microsound] ID3 tags
To: microsound at microsound.org
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 2:09 PM

microsounders
please FIX your ID3 tags in your mp3 pieces!
or they will be taken down

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From herrickalan at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  6 18:46:55 2009
From: herrickalan at yahoo.com (Alan Herrick)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:46:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [microsound] looking for a laserish sound
In-Reply-To: <522724.15583.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <676349.64297.qm@web83602.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

these are pretty awesome http://www.zubetube.com/ 
homemade alternative is a spring (reverb tank sort) hooked to plastic dixie cups at either end of a shipping tube varying the tension on spring via length of tube changes the sound

--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Samuel van ransbeeck <thinksamuel at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Samuel van ransbeeck <thinksamuel at yahoo.com>
Subject: [microsound] looking for a laserish sound
To: microsound at or8.net
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 3:15 PM

I am looking for a laser-like sound, similar like this one in the beginning of
this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jg6MXht-JU
Anyone can help me?

Thanks
Samuel Van Ransbeeck


      
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From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Fri Mar  6 18:59:46 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:59:46 -0800
Subject: [microsound] ID3 tags
Message-ID: <95EF96DA-2666-4454-957A-3A7C2F836A4B@anechoicmedia.com>

it might be a good idea to check the version of ID3 tags and ask  
someone on the list for some advice
if you can't seem to get them working with the flash player being  
used on the microsound site

also trying a different mp3 app might prove useful
I think this issue/thread was covered on the last project
so searching the archives might prove useful

but if tags are not fixed by Monday I'll have to take down any mp3  
that doesn't show authorship


From picnet at urlme.net  Fri Mar  6 19:11:05 2009
From: picnet at urlme.net (Mike)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 02:11:05 +0200
Subject: [microsound] ID3 tags
In-Reply-To: <95EF96DA-2666-4454-957A-3A7C2F836A4B@anechoicmedia.com>
References: <95EF96DA-2666-4454-957A-3A7C2F836A4B@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <048F7035-F94C-4C25-AA6E-9DD03A211BEA@urlme.net>

Hi,
     For info:

I fixed my via iTunes -> Convert ID3 Tags -> Version 1.0
deleted the version on the microsound site, re-uploaded it
displays correctly now.

Cheers
-Mike.


delete then upload again.

On Mar 7, 2009, at 1:59 AM, Kim Cascone wrote:

> it might be a good idea to check the version of ID3 tags and ask
> someone on the list for some advice
> if you can't seem to get them working with the flash player being
> used on the microsound site
>
> also trying a different mp3 app might prove useful
> I think this issue/thread was covered on the last project
> so searching the archives might prove useful
>
> but if tags are not fixed by Monday I'll have to take down any mp3
> that doesn't show authorship
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


From chazen at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 19:50:43 2009
From: chazen at gmail.com (Charlie DeTar)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:50:43 -0500
Subject: [microsound] Pirthorexia
Message-ID: <49B1C4E3.4030108@gmail.com>

Uploaded my pi day contribution.

Pirthorexia -- unhealthy obsessive diet of pi.  Sine waves (what else --
pi at work), triggered with a density proportional to one period of a
cosine curve 3 minutes and 14 seconds long.  Every tone is 3.14 seconds
long, and over that interval modulates its frequency in a small sine
curve.  No tone repeats (tones include every 1/48th octave between 27.5
Hz and 21096.96 Hz).  Intervals between subsequent notes are taken from
subsequent digits of pi (though following the no-repeat rule).  Panning
is determined by digits of pi (0 == far left, 9 == far right).
Generated in python (pi-thon).

Audacity's ID3 export did not work with the repository; the linux "id3"
command worked.

-charlie

From craque at craque.net  Fri Mar  6 20:29:17 2009
From: craque at craque.net (CraqueMat)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:29:17 -0800
Subject: [microsound] Init 194
Message-ID: <49B1CDED.8070700@craque.net>

my pi-day piece uses electro-acoustic improvisations layered and 
structured according to numbers associated with pi.

3'14" = 194' = 8555413 samples / 3141592 and factors thereof.

some really interesting contributions so far, happy to see so many.

-matt


From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Fri Mar  6 21:04:22 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:04:22 -0800
Subject: [microsound] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CF4CE743-8E9D-4980-9C5D-2F3D87259A83@anechoicmedia.com>

> the trick is to use ID3v1 tags for the project page to display the  
> info properly. My file was tagged with ID3v2.3 and the info was not  
> being displayed
>

yes that was the issue
thanks Alan for refreshing my memory
I think it was Bruce Tovsky who uncovered this little issue last time
so your app HAS to be able to generate ID3v1 tags
so they display and give attribution to the author
esta es muy importante!

From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Fri Mar  6 21:51:26 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:51:26 -0800
Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
Message-ID: <4B80F24D-4F94-4BB1-A480-C6B29F2AA1B6@anechoicmedia.com>

I'm extending the deadline so people can finish up their pieces and  
fix the ID3 tags
deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT -- more or less ;)

From sashimibee at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 21:56:32 2009
From: sashimibee at gmail.com (Georgina Lewis)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:56:32 -0500
Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
In-Reply-To: <4B80F24D-4F94-4BB1-A480-C6B29F2AA1B6@anechoicmedia.com>
References: <4B80F24D-4F94-4BB1-A480-C6B29F2AA1B6@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <47b4fb710903061856i6ac11815lf56bca1d73488710@mail.gmail.com>

That's awesome! (I'm trying to figure out the ID3 tags at this very moment).

thanks (and thanks for the very interesting project, although I have been
strangely and erroneously craving baked goods whilst working on this)

-Georgina

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:

> I'm extending the deadline so people can finish up their pieces and
> fix the ID3 tags
> deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT -- more or less ;)
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>



-- 
Georgina Lewis
sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
www.birdfur.com
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From cyborgk at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 23:23:21 2009
From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:23:21 -0600
Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
In-Reply-To: <47b4fb710903061856i6ac11815lf56bca1d73488710@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B80F24D-4F94-4BB1-A480-C6B29F2AA1B6@anechoicmedia.com>
	<47b4fb710903061856i6ac11815lf56bca1d73488710@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <686ba4e40903062023y4617f786j2c77a6c2d5e00bce@mail.gmail.com>

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (for what it's worth i'm too
drunk to finish the final minute I was supposed to compose tonight...)
~David

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Georgina Lewis <sashimibee at gmail.com> wrote:
> That's awesome! (I'm trying to figure out the ID3 tags at this very moment).
>
> thanks (and thanks for the very interesting project, although I have been
> strangely and erroneously craving baked goods whilst working on this)
>
> -Georgina
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm extending the deadline so people can finish up their pieces and
>> fix the ID3 tags
>> deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT -- more or less ;)
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>
>
> --
> Georgina Lewis
> sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
> www.birdfur.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>

From benreviug at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  7 06:42:18 2009
From: benreviug at yahoo.com (guiver ben)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 03:42:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [microsound] ID3 tags
In-Reply-To: <686ba4e40903062023y4617f786j2c77a6c2d5e00bce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72507.25995.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


does anyone know of an id3 tag editor that works properly? only i used audion and my name wont come up ( mine is the untitled circles 09 piece )

best

ben


--- On Sat, 3/7/09, David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] deadline extension
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 4:23 AM
> THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (for what it's
> worth i'm too
> drunk to finish the final minute I was supposed to compose
> tonight...)
> ~David
> 
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Georgina Lewis
> <sashimibee at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That's awesome! (I'm trying to figure out the
> ID3 tags at this very moment).
> >
> > thanks (and thanks for the very interesting project,
> although I have been
> > strangely and erroneously craving baked goods whilst
> working on this)
> >
> > -Georgina
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kim Cascone
> <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm extending the deadline so people can
> finish up their pieces and
> >> fix the ID3 tags
> >> deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT --
> more or less ;)
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> microsound mailing list
> >> microsound at microsound.org
> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Georgina Lewis
> > sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
> > www.birdfur.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > microsound mailing list
> > microsound at microsound.org
> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


      

From grahamsutherland at riseup.net  Sat Mar  7 11:36:40 2009
From: grahamsutherland at riseup.net (Graham Sutherland)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:36:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [microsound] pi for dinner
Message-ID: <grahamsutherland.1236443800.squirrel@swift.riseup.net>

i uploaded my piece "pi for dinner" to the microsound pi day 2009 repository.

i had a few problems with the length and id3 tags but originally the files
i uploaded were before midnight. i don't know if there is any way for
y'all to check that. i know kim said he'd be deleting any pieces that did
not have proper id3 tags by monday, so i figured if i got my piece in
technically a tad late it would be okay.

used pi for lots of randomization in a few vsts as well as with my fft
program, and a looping program i have. the original sound was some synth
bells i recorded at dinner.

hope you dig,
graham sutherland


From craque at craque.net  Sat Mar  7 12:17:42 2009
From: craque at craque.net (craquemattic)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 09:17:42 -0800
Subject: [microsound] ID3 tags
In-Reply-To: <72507.25995.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <72507.25995.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3A937A9A-C47B-4045-9A39-5C7F28E014FB@craque.net>

if you're on a unix-based platform (mac, linux, bsd, whathaveyou),  
check out id3lib, commandline id3 tag editing, extremely versatile. on  
my phone right now so I don't have a link but it is in macports and  
most linux repositories.

On Mar 7, 2009, at 3:42, guiver ben <benreviug at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> does anyone know of an id3 tag editor that works properly? only i  
> used audion and my name wont come up ( mine is the untitled circles  
> 09 piece )
>
> best
>
> ben
>
>
> --- On Sat, 3/7/09, David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [microsound] deadline extension
>> To: microsound at microsound.org
>> Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 4:23 AM
>> THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (for what it's
>> worth i'm too
>> drunk to finish the final minute I was supposed to compose
>> tonight...)
>> ~David
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Georgina Lewis
>> <sashimibee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> That's awesome! (I'm trying to figure out the
>> ID3 tags at this very moment).
>>>
>>> thanks (and thanks for the very interesting project,
>> although I have been
>>> strangely and erroneously craving baked goods whilst
>> working on this)
>>>
>>> -Georgina
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kim Cascone
>> <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm extending the deadline so people can
>> finish up their pieces and
>>>> fix the ID3 tags
>>>> deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT --
>> more or less ;)
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Georgina Lewis
>>> sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
>>> www.birdfur.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> microsound mailing list
>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Sat Mar  7 13:05:46 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:05:46 -0800
Subject: [microsound] ***Pi Day filenames***
Message-ID: <1236449146.7045.9.camel@kim>

microsounders
I also need you to fix any files that have spaces ' ' or hyphens '-' in
the filename...

the following need to be fixed and re-uploaded:

nit-194.mp3 
pi for dinner.mp3
untitled circles 09.mp3


USE alphanumerics and '_' underscores ONLY!

please read the original instructions again for a refresh of RAM



From aherrick at pacbell.net  Sat Mar  7 14:06:26 2009
From: aherrick at pacbell.net (aherrick at pacbell.net)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:06:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [microsound] ID3 tags info for Ben
In-Reply-To: <72507.25995.qm@web52008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <255851.71410.qm@web83606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Ben,

Try Amadeus - when you save your file using Amadeus you have the option in advanced setting to select the version of ID3 tag you want.

iTunes seems to be working well for people. 

MP3 ID3X 3.0.3 is a personal choice of mine just because I often have to batch edit tags and it is fast. Amadeus and MP3 ID3X 3.0.3 have trial versions you can download.

Alan

--- On Sat, 3/7/09, guiver ben <benreviug at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: guiver ben <benreviug at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [microsound] ID3 tags
To: microsound at microsound.org
Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 3:42 AM

does anyone know of an id3 tag editor that works properly? only i used audion
and my name wont come up ( mine is the untitled circles 09 piece )

best

ben


--- On Sat, 3/7/09, David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: David Powers <cyborgk at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] deadline extension
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 4:23 AM
> THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (for what it's
> worth i'm too
> drunk to finish the final minute I was supposed to compose
> tonight...)
> ~David
> 
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Georgina Lewis
> <sashimibee at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That's awesome! (I'm trying to figure out the
> ID3 tags at this very moment).
> >
> > thanks (and thanks for the very interesting project,
> although I have been
> > strangely and erroneously craving baked goods whilst
> working on this)
> >
> > -Georgina
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kim Cascone
> <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm extending the deadline so people can
> finish up their pieces and
> >> fix the ID3 tags
> >> deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT --
> more or less ;)
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> microsound mailing list
> >> microsound at microsound.org
> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Georgina Lewis
> > sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
> > www.birdfur.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > microsound mailing list
> > microsound at microsound.org
> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


      
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From akisd1 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  7 14:28:36 2009
From: akisd1 at yahoo.com (akis daoutis)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:28:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [microsound] deadline extension_HELP
Message-ID: <977980.12907.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear Kim,
?
Congratulations for the topic and the motivation you give to composers
to realize a piece using pi.
I am receiving all the mail from microsound organization,I even did a piece that uses pi in its construction but unfotunately I don't know
how to upload it or why my password doesn't seem to be working.
I would appreciate it if you could give me some directions or alternatively if I could send my piece to you.
?
Thanks
AkisDaoutis
composer

--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:


From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
To: microsound at microsound.org
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 6:51 PM


I'm extending the deadline so people can finish up their pieces and? 
fix the ID3 tags
deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT -- more or less ;)
_______________________________________________
microsound mailing list
microsound at microsound.org
http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound



      
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From akisd1 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  7 14:28:37 2009
From: akisd1 at yahoo.com (akis daoutis)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:28:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [microsound] deadline extension_HELP
Message-ID: <717590.20467.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear Kim,
?
?Congratulations for the topic and the motivation you give to composers
to realize a piece using pi.
I am receiving all the mail from microsound organization,I even did a piece that uses pi in its construction but unfotunately I don't know
how to upload it or why my password doesn't seem to be working.
I would appreciate it if you could give me some directions or alternatively if I could send my piece to you.
?
Thanks
AkisDaoutis
composer

--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:


From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
To: microsound at microsound.org
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 6:51 PM


I'm extending the deadline so people can finish up their pieces and? 
fix the ID3 tags
deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT -- more or less ;)
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From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Sat Mar  7 14:42:11 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:42:11 -0800
Subject: [microsound] id3tool
Message-ID: <1236454931.7045.33.camel@kim>

there are a few Linux tools for id3 tags:
id3tool
id3
mp3info-gtk
easytag
kid3

I DL'd easytag and it looks pretty full featured although I can't size
the Y axis of the window to fit on my mini9



From eduardoacosta at gmail.com  Sat Mar  7 15:50:13 2009
From: eduardoacosta at gmail.com (Eduardo Acosta)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:50:13 +0100
Subject: [microsound] mobilPine.mp3
Message-ID: <9d0ec1d60903071250g17fa0f49qc692c57840f0e8b1@mail.gmail.com>

mobilPine.mp3  Uploaded!

I used cellphone button notes reffering pi number and then process it with
plugs with pi values

Bye bye!!
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From paulo.mouat at gmail.com  Sat Mar  7 16:23:22 2009
From: paulo.mouat at gmail.com (Paulo Mouat)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:23:22 -0500
Subject: [microsound] deadline extension_HELP
In-Reply-To: <977980.12907.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <977980.12907.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <424ce300903071323u712ec197j24ec1a09d8c746f4@mail.gmail.com>

I see you are registered with the microsound repository. Please visit
http://www.interdisciplina.org/microsound-repository to upload your
piece. If you can't remember your password you can request it to be
sent to you.

//p
http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, akis daoutis <akisd1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Kim,
>
> Congratulations for the topic and the motivation you give to composers
> to realize a piece using pi.
> I am receiving all the mail from microsound organization,I even did a piece
> that uses pi in its construction but unfotunately I don't know
> how to upload it or why my password doesn't seem to be working.
> I would appreciate it if you could give me some directions or alternatively
> if I could send my piece to you.
>
> Thanks
> AkisDaoutis
> composer
>
> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
>
> From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
> Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 6:51 PM
>
> I'm extending the deadline so people can finish up their pieces and
> fix the ID3 tags
> deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT -- more or less ;)
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>

From akisd1 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  8 11:27:36 2009
From: akisd1 at yahoo.com (akis daoutis)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:27:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
Message-ID: <766035.83516.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





I uploaded the powers of pi.
It is made?up from looped?samples of my voice, the length of which is determined by the powers of pi.
Thanks
Akis Daoutis


      
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From craque at craque.net  Sun Mar  8 13:47:06 2009
From: craque at craque.net (CraqueMat)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:47:06 -0700
Subject: [microsound] ***Pi Day filenames***
In-Reply-To: <1236449146.7045.9.camel@kim>
References: <1236449146.7045.9.camel@kim>
Message-ID: <49B4049A.80102@craque.net>

all fixed

Kim Cascone wrote:
> microsounders
> I also need you to fix any files that have spaces ' ' or hyphens '-' in
> the filename...
> 
> the following need to be fixed and re-uploaded:
> 
> nit-194.mp3 
> pi for dinner.mp3
> untitled circles 09.mp3
> 
> 
> USE alphanumerics and '_' underscores ONLY!
> 
> please read the original instructions again for a refresh of RAM
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

From sashimibee at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 19:41:10 2009
From: sashimibee at gmail.com (Georgina Lewis)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:41:10 -0400
Subject: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
In-Reply-To: <766035.83516.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <766035.83516.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47b4fb710903081641t65f86d4dse4f293a3ad111099@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've uploaded a piece to the Pi repository: "Slices of Pi". Its composed
using a variety of sounds derived from samples of the word "pi" "spoken" by
speech synthesis software (and a risset tone).

best to all,
-Georgina


-- 
Georgina Lewis
sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
www.birdfur.com
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From gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  8 20:58:44 2009
From: gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com (gerardo figueroa)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:58:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
In-Reply-To: <47b4fb710903081641t65f86d4dse4f293a3ad111099@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <910737.75171.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


wow!

thanx 2 the "extention", i was able to meet the deadline - thanx, kim ;)

To Akis and Georgina: check the names of your mp3. I presume they should appear as, for example, "SlicesofPi"  or "Slices_of_Pi". If the ID3 tags are written like this, try changing the MS-DOS name of the file - i ended up writing it as PT5 in that section, to avoid spaces from appearing @ the repository. :)

gerardo


--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Georgina Lewis <sashimibee at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Georgina Lewis <sashimibee at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:41 PM
> Hi,
> 
> I've uploaded a piece to the Pi repository:
> "Slices of Pi". Its composed
> using a variety of sounds derived from samples of the word
> "pi" "spoken" by
> speech synthesis software (and a risset tone).
> 
> best to all,
> -Georgina
> 
> 
> -- 
> Georgina Lewis
> sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
> www.birdfur.com
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


      

From sashimibee at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 21:08:36 2009
From: sashimibee at gmail.com (Georgina Lewis)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:08:36 -0400
Subject: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
In-Reply-To: <910737.75171.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <47b4fb710903081641t65f86d4dse4f293a3ad111099@mail.gmail.com>
	<910737.75171.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47b4fb710903081808g58e207d1kbc289e311644c504@mail.gmail.com>

yikes! A thousand thank yous for pointing that out.

-Georgina

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:58 PM, gerardo figueroa <
gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> wow!
>
> thanx 2 the "extention", i was able to meet the deadline - thanx, kim ;)
>
> To Akis and Georgina: check the names of your mp3. I presume they should
> appear as, for example, "SlicesofPi"  or "Slices_of_Pi". If the ID3 tags are
> written like this, try changing the MS-DOS name of the file - i ended up
> writing it as PT5 in that section, to avoid spaces from appearing @ the
> repository. :)
>
> gerardo
>
>
> --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Georgina Lewis <sashimibee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Georgina Lewis <sashimibee at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
> > To: microsound at microsound.org
> > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:41 PM
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've uploaded a piece to the Pi repository:
> > "Slices of Pi". Its composed
> > using a variety of sounds derived from samples of the word
> > "pi" "spoken" by
> > speech synthesis software (and a risset tone).
> >
> > best to all,
> > -Georgina
> >
> >
> > --
> > Georgina Lewis
> > sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
> > www.birdfur.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > microsound mailing list
> > microsound at microsound.org
> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>



-- 
Georgina Lewis
sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
www.birdfur.com
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From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Sun Mar  8 21:13:23 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:13:23 -0700
Subject: [microsound] !!pieces still needing ID3 tag repair!!
Message-ID: <9401976B-979E-4449-A9DB-9B3DD0F5FE8A@anechoicmedia.com>

  	  Hypersphere.mp3   	03:14  	5.92  	n/a
  	  mobilPine.mp3   	03:14  	4.44  	n/a
  	  Pi.mp3   	03:14  	4.45  	n/a
  	  PiccioniPierrePiano30069.mp3   	03:14  	7.41  	n/a
  	  pitothepowerofpi.mp3   	03:14  	2.96  	n/a



From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Sun Mar  8 21:16:37 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:16:37 -0700
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day web page graphics?
Message-ID: <95B946C2-DEA1-40C9-9DF5-18F4586DB26C@anechoicmedia.com>

anyone interested in designing something for this?


From herrickalan at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  8 22:33:08 2009
From: herrickalan at yahoo.com (Alan Herrick)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:33:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day web page graphics?
In-Reply-To: <95B946C2-DEA1-40C9-9DF5-18F4586DB26C@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <770496.31899.qm@web83608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I'll take this on - any specifications for this at all?

--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day web page graphics?
To: microsound at microsound.org
Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:16 PM

anyone interested in designing something for this?

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From post at dafna.info  Sun Mar  8 23:51:51 2009
From: post at dafna.info (Dafna Naphtali)
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:51:51 -0400
Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11780.1236555689.3925.microsound@or8.net>
References: <mailman.11780.1236555689.3925.microsound@or8.net>
Message-ID: <8315178C-DB4D-4763-88CE-8ED7F2EAA2EF@dafna.info>

Hi,

Could not upload my piece for Pi day 2009,  (for reasons similar to  
some of the other posts I saw from yesterday..)

I am a new subscriber (obviously).  and when trying to log in to  
access the repository via the web interface I received an error message
"
? The supplied email address is not a subscriber of the .microsound  
mailinglist. Please go back and try again.

(I am using the same email address as I just received this digest on..)

Please let me know what went wrong and if I can still submit my work.

best,

Dafna


Dafna Naphtali
post [at] dafna [dot] info
http://www.dafna.info
www.myspace.com/dafnanaphtali

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>   5. Re: deadline extension_HELP (Paulo Mouat)
>   6. powers of pi-Akis Daoutis (akis daoutis)
>   7. Re: ***Pi Day filenames*** (CraqueMat)
>   8. Re: powers of pi-Akis Daoutis (Georgina Lewis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:28:36 -0800 (PST)
> From: akis daoutis <akisd1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] deadline extension_HELP
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID: <977980.12907.qm at web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Dear Kim,
> ?
> Congratulations for the topic and the motivation you give to composers
> to realize a piece using pi.
> I am receiving all the mail from microsound organization,I even did  
> a piece that uses pi in its construction but unfotunately I don't know
> how to upload it or why my password doesn't seem to be working.
> I would appreciate it if you could give me some directions or  
> alternatively if I could send my piece to you.
> ?
> Thanks
> AkisDaoutis
> composer
>
> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
> Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 6:51 PM
>
>
> I'm extending the deadline so people can finish up their pieces and?
> fix the ID3 tags
> deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT -- more or less ;)
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:28:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: akis daoutis <akisd1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] deadline extension_HELP
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID: <717590.20467.qm at web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Dear Kim,
> ?
> ?Congratulations for the topic and the motivation you give to  
> composers
> to realize a piece using pi.
> I am receiving all the mail from microsound organization,I even did  
> a piece that uses pi in its construction but unfotunately I don't know
> how to upload it or why my password doesn't seem to be working.
> I would appreciate it if you could give me some directions or  
> alternatively if I could send my piece to you.
> ?
> Thanks
> AkisDaoutis
> composer
>
> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
> Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 6:51 PM
>
>
> I'm extending the deadline so people can finish up their pieces and?
> fix the ID3 tags
> deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT -- more or less ;)
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:42:11 -0800
> From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
> Subject: [microsound] id3tool
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID: <1236454931.7045.33.camel at kim>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> there are a few Linux tools for id3 tags:
> id3tool
> id3
> mp3info-gtk
> easytag
> kid3
>
> I DL'd easytag and it looks pretty full featured although I can't size
> the Y axis of the window to fit on my mini9
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:50:13 +0100
> From: Eduardo Acosta <eduardoacosta at gmail.com>
> Subject: [microsound] mobilPine.mp3
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID:
> 	<9d0ec1d60903071250g17fa0f49qc692c57840f0e8b1 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> mobilPine.mp3  Uploaded!
>
> I used cellphone button notes reffering pi number and then process  
> it with
> plugs with pi values
>
> Bye bye!!
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:23:22 -0500
> From: Paulo Mouat <paulo.mouat at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] deadline extension_HELP
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID:
> 	<424ce300903071323u712ec197j24ec1a09d8c746f4 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I see you are registered with the microsound repository. Please visit
> http://www.interdisciplina.org/microsound-repository to upload your
> piece. If you can't remember your password you can request it to be
> sent to you.
>
> //p
> http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, akis daoutis <akisd1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dear Kim,
>>
>> Congratulations for the topic and the motivation you give to  
>> composers
>> to realize a piece using pi.
>> I am receiving all the mail from microsound organization,I even did  
>> a piece
>> that uses pi in its construction but unfotunately I don't know
>> how to upload it or why my password doesn't seem to be working.
>> I would appreciate it if you could give me some directions or  
>> alternatively
>> if I could send my piece to you.
>>
>> Thanks
>> AkisDaoutis
>> composer
>>
>> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
>> Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
>> To: microsound at microsound.org
>> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 6:51 PM
>>
>> I'm extending the deadline so people can finish up their pieces and
>> fix the ID3 tags
>> deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT -- more or less ;)
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:27:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: akis daoutis <akisd1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID: <766035.83516.qm at web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
>
>
> I uploaded the powers of pi.
> It is made?up from looped?samples of my voice, the length of which  
> is determined by the powers of pi.
> Thanks
> Akis Daoutis
>
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:47:06 -0700
> From: CraqueMat <craque at craque.net>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***Pi Day filenames***
> To: microsound at microsound.org, kim at anechoicmedia.com
> Message-ID: <49B4049A.80102 at craque.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> all fixed
>
> Kim Cascone wrote:
>> microsounders
>> I also need you to fix any files that have spaces ' ' or hyphens  
>> '-' in
>> the filename...
>>
>> the following need to be fixed and re-uploaded:
>>
>> nit-194.mp3
>> pi for dinner.mp3
>> untitled circles 09.mp3
>>
>>
>> USE alphanumerics and '_' underscores ONLY!
>>
>> please read the original instructions again for a refresh of RAM
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:41:10 -0400
> From: Georgina Lewis <sashimibee at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID:
> 	<47b4fb710903081641t65f86d4dse4f293a3ad111099 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi,
>
> I've uploaded a piece to the Pi repository: "Slices of Pi". Its  
> composed
> using a variety of sounds derived from samples of the word "pi"  
> "spoken" by
> speech synthesis software (and a risset tone).
>
> best to all,
> -Georgina
>
>
> -- 
> Georgina Lewis
> sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
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From akisd1 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  9 05:10:02 2009
From: akisd1 at yahoo.com (akis daoutis)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
Message-ID: <450389.84596.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Gerardo,
I changed the filename but I am not sure about the ID3 tags.
Akis 

--- On Sun, 3/8/09, gerardo figueroa <gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: gerardo figueroa <gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
To: microsound at microsound.org
Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 5:58 PM



wow!

thanx 2 the "extention", i was able to meet the deadline - thanx, kim ;)

To Akis and Georgina: check the names of your mp3. I presume they should appear as, for example, "SlicesofPi"? or "Slices_of_Pi". If the ID3 tags are written like this, try changing the MS-DOS name of the file - i ended up writing it as PT5 in that section, to avoid spaces from appearing @ the repository. :)

gerardo


--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Georgina Lewis <sashimibee at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Georgina Lewis <sashimibee at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:41 PM
> Hi,
> 
> I've uploaded a piece to the Pi repository:
> "Slices of Pi". Its composed
> using a variety of sounds derived from samples of the word
> "pi" "spoken" by
> speech synthesis software (and a risset tone).
> 
> best to all,
> -Georgina
> 
> 
> -- 
> Georgina Lewis
> sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
> www.birdfur.com
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
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From aherrick at pacbell.net  Mon Mar  9 05:17:40 2009
From: aherrick at pacbell.net (aherrick at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 02:17:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
In-Reply-To: <450389.84596.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <542663.75815.qm@web83606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

your tags actually look good...

--- On Mon, 3/9/09, akis daoutis <akisd1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: akis daoutis <akisd1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
To: microsound at microsound.org, gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 2:10 AM

Thanks Gerardo,
I changed the filename but I am not sure about the ID3 tags.
Akis 

--- On Sun, 3/8/09, gerardo figueroa <gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: gerardo figueroa <gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
To: microsound at microsound.org
Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 5:58 PM



wow!

thanx 2 the "extention", i was able to meet the deadline - thanx, kim ;)

To Akis and Georgina: check the names of your mp3. I presume they should appear as, for example, "SlicesofPi"? or "Slices_of_Pi". If the ID3 tags are written like this, try changing the MS-DOS name of the file - i ended up writing it as PT5 in that section, to avoid spaces from appearing @ the repository. :)

gerardo


--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Georgina Lewis <sashimibee at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Georgina Lewis <sashimibee at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 6:41 PM
> Hi,
> 
> I've uploaded a piece to the Pi repository:
> "Slices of Pi". Its composed
> using a variety of sounds derived from samples of the word
> "pi" "spoken" by
> speech synthesis software (and a risset tone).
> 
> best to all,
> -Georgina
> 
> 
> -- 
> Georgina Lewis
> sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
> www.birdfur.com
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


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From paulo.mouat at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 08:39:28 2009
From: paulo.mouat at gmail.com (Paulo Mouat)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:39:28 -0400
Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
In-Reply-To: <8315178C-DB4D-4763-88CE-8ED7F2EAA2EF@dafna.info>
References: <mailman.11780.1236555689.3925.microsound@or8.net>
	<8315178C-DB4D-4763-88CE-8ED7F2EAA2EF@dafna.info>
Message-ID: <424ce300903090539he87571ehc53ff80a4cb4e92d@mail.gmail.com>

Please try registering with the repository again. Your email was added
to the list of allowed addresses. Let me know if you still have issues
accessing.

//p
http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Dafna Naphtali <post at dafna.info> wrote:
> Hi,
> Could not upload my piece for Pi day 2009, ?(for reasons similar to some of
> the other posts I saw from yesterday..)
> I am a new subscriber (obviously). ?and when trying to log in to access the
> repository via the web interface I received an error message
> "
> ??The supplied email address is not a subscriber of the .microsound
> mailinglist. Please go?back?and try again.
>
> (I am using the same email address as I just received this digest on..)
> Please let me know what went wrong and if I can still submit my work.
> best,
> Dafna
>
> Dafna Naphtali
> post [at] dafna [dot] info
> http://www.dafna.info
> www.myspace.com/dafnanaphtali
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> ??1. Re: deadline extension_HELP (akis daoutis)
> ??2. Re: deadline extension_HELP (akis daoutis)
> ??3. id3tool (Kim Cascone)
> ??4. mobilPine.mp3 (Eduardo Acosta)
> ??5. Re: deadline extension_HELP (Paulo Mouat)
> ??6. powers of pi-Akis Daoutis (akis daoutis)
> ??7. Re: ***Pi Day filenames*** (CraqueMat)
> ??8. Re: powers of pi-Akis Daoutis (Georgina Lewis)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:28:36 -0800 (PST)
> From: akis daoutis <akisd1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] deadline extension_HELP
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID: <977980.12907.qm at web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Dear Kim,
> ?
> Congratulations for the topic and the motivation you give to composers
> to realize a piece using pi.
> I am receiving all the mail from microsound organization,I even did a piece
> that uses pi in its construction but unfotunately I don't know
> how to upload it or why my password doesn't seem to be working.
> I would appreciate it if you could give me some directions or alternatively
> if I could send my piece to you.
> ?
> Thanks
> AkisDaoutis
> composer
>
> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
> Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 6:51 PM
>
>
> I'm extending the deadline so people can finish up their pieces and?
> fix the ID3 tags
> deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT -- more or less ;)
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> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:28:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: akis daoutis <akisd1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] deadline extension_HELP
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID: <717590.20467.qm at web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Dear Kim,
> ?
> ?Congratulations for the topic and the motivation you give to composers
> to realize a piece using pi.
> I am receiving all the mail from microsound organization,I even did a piece
> that uses pi in its construction but unfotunately I don't know
> how to upload it or why my password doesn't seem to be working.
> I would appreciate it if you could give me some directions or alternatively
> if I could send my piece to you.
> ?
> Thanks
> AkisDaoutis
> composer
>
> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
> Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 6:51 PM
>
>
> I'm extending the deadline so people can finish up their pieces and?
> fix the ID3 tags
> deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT -- more or less ;)
> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:42:11 -0800
> From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
> Subject: [microsound] id3tool
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID: <1236454931.7045.33.camel at kim>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> there are a few Linux tools for id3 tags:
> id3tool
> id3
> mp3info-gtk
> easytag
> kid3
>
> I DL'd easytag and it looks pretty full featured although I can't size
> the Y axis of the window to fit on my mini9
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:50:13 +0100
> From: Eduardo Acosta <eduardoacosta at gmail.com>
> Subject: [microsound] mobilPine.mp3
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID:
> <9d0ec1d60903071250g17fa0f49qc692c57840f0e8b1 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> mobilPine.mp3 ?Uploaded!
>
> I used cellphone button notes reffering pi number and then process it with
> plugs with pi values
>
> Bye bye!!
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 16:23:22 -0500
> From: Paulo Mouat <paulo.mouat at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] deadline extension_HELP
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID:
> <424ce300903071323u712ec197j24ec1a09d8c746f4 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I see you are registered with the microsound repository. Please visit
> http://www.interdisciplina.org/microsound-repository to upload your
> piece. If you can't remember your password you can request it to be
> sent to you.
>
> //p
> http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, akis daoutis <akisd1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Kim,
>
> Congratulations for the topic and the motivation you give to composers
>
> to realize a piece using pi.
>
> I am receiving all the mail from microsound organization,I even did a piece
>
> that uses pi in its construction but unfotunately I don't know
>
> how to upload it or why my password doesn't seem to be working.
>
> I would appreciate it if you could give me some directions or alternatively
>
> if I could send my piece to you.
>
> Thanks
>
> AkisDaoutis
>
> composer
>
> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
>
> From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
>
> Subject: [microsound] deadline extension
>
> To: microsound at microsound.org
>
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 6:51 PM
>
> I'm extending the deadline so people can finish up their pieces and
>
> fix the ID3 tags
>
> deadline is now Sunday March 8th midnight GMT -- more or less ;)
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:27:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: akis daoutis <akisd1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID: <766035.83516.qm at web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
>
>
> I uploaded the powers of pi.
> It is made?up from looped?samples of my voice, the length of which is
> determined by the powers of pi.
> Thanks
> Akis Daoutis
>
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> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:47:06 -0700
> From: CraqueMat <craque at craque.net>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] ***Pi Day filenames***
> To: microsound at microsound.org, kim at anechoicmedia.com
> Message-ID: <49B4049A.80102 at craque.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> all fixed
>
> Kim Cascone wrote:
>
> microsounders
>
> I also need you to fix any files that have spaces ' ' or hyphens '-' in
>
> the filename...
>
> the following need to be fixed and re-uploaded:
>
> nit-194.mp3
>
> pi for dinner.mp3
>
> untitled circles 09.mp3
>
>
> USE alphanumerics and '_' underscores ONLY!
>
> please read the original instructions again for a refresh of RAM
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 19:41:10 -0400
> From: Georgina Lewis <sashimibee at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID:
> <47b4fb710903081641t65f86d4dse4f293a3ad111099 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi,
>
> I've uploaded a piece to the Pi repository: "Slices of Pi". Its composed
> using a variety of sounds derived from samples of the word "pi" "spoken" by
> speech synthesis software (and a risset tone).
>
> best to all,
> -Georgina
>
>
> --
> Georgina Lewis
> sashimib at tiac.net, sashimibee at gmail.com
> www.birdfur.com
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From cyborgk at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 13:21:31 2009
From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:21:31 -0600
Subject: [microsound] powers of pi-Akis Daoutis
In-Reply-To: <542663.75815.qm@web83606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <450389.84596.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<542663.75815.qm@web83606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <686ba4e40903091021s31c65e1ex6619838b84c29201@mail.gmail.com>

I uploaded my piece, "314" last night. I took the first 50 digits of
PI and used them to determine page numbers and lengths of phrases of
text sampled from Calvino's Cosmicomics (read by a speech synthesizer
and processed), as well as length of sections and density of events
within sections.

~David

From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Mon Mar  9 13:41:53 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:41:53 -0700
Subject: [microsound] ***mp3 ID3 tags redux***
Message-ID: <2D5EF5AF-2F61-47BC-A079-E64D6CAF3E7C@anechoicmedia.com>

the following pieces will be taken down if not fixed by Wednesday:


3  	  Hypersphere.mp3   	03:14  	5.92  	n/a
7  	  mobilPine.mp3   	03:14  	4.44  	n/a
9  	  Pi.mp3   	03:14  	4.45  	n/a
10  	  PiccioniPierrePiano30069.mp3   	03:14  	7.41  	n/a
15  	  pitothepowerofpi.mp3   	03:14  	2.96  	n/a


there has been information on the list about various apps to use to  
fix this problem and why it is occurring

please read the posts and fix your tags!

pieces without proper attribution will not be used



From gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  9 15:08:25 2009
From: gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com (gerardo figueroa)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:08:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] ***mp3 ID3 tags redux***
In-Reply-To: <2D5EF5AF-2F61-47BC-A079-E64D6CAF3E7C@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <188303.78895.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


> pieces without proper attribution will not be used

what does this mean, exactly? - is it referred to sound sources, cc licenses,   missing MS-DOS names?...

thanx in advance ;)


gerardo figueroa rodr?guez
gfr broadcasting system
http://www.geocities.com/gerardofigueroacl/bs
http://gfrbroadcastingsystem.blogspot.com/


      

From traktorman at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 19:19:00 2009
From: traktorman at gmail.com (tkrakowiak)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 18:19:00 -0500
Subject: [microsound] pi upload
Message-ID: <aa0f71fc0903091619v225ef3e3q38d19ac5962677f@mail.gmail.com>

hello,
piece uploaded:
______________.mp3

solo percussion piece of 3.14 minutes, inspired by (yesterday's hence
missed deadline by few hours) visit to working streetcar museum
http://www.hcry.org/


t

From brouse at music.mcgill.ca  Tue Mar 10 08:46:08 2009
From: brouse at music.mcgill.ca (Andrew Brouse)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:46:08 -0400
Subject: [microsound] Understanding the New Media
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1229792416.5942.microsound_microsound.org@microsound.org>
References: <mailman.5.1229792416.5942.microsound_microsound.org@microsound.org>
Message-ID: <31B95350-1B31-4AB9-9723-D7B2CB1A2586@music.mcgill.ca>

On 20-Dec-08, at 12:00 PM, Gurkan Mihci wrote:

> Hi,
> I'll give a new course called "understanding the new media"
> (theoretical-lecture) for next semester. It is an introductory  
> course to new
> media. Now, I am researching some articles about the new media.  
> I've got
> some articles from microsound.org, other sites and books, but I  
> need more.
> If you have these kinds of articles, could you send me? or if you have
> printed articles are related with the new media, please inform me  
> also,
> because we can use FedEx or something.
> Thank you for your interest

Here is - what I feel is - a fairly good summation of "The New Media":

http://www.nearfuturelaboratory.com/2008/09/05/top-15-criteria-define- 
interactive-or-new-media-art/

Please excuse me for cross-posting from another list.

Andrew

From st.scholl at live.de  Tue Mar 10 10:17:00 2009
From: st.scholl at live.de (steffen scholl)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:17:00 +0100
Subject: [microsound] max/msp/jitter projects
In-Reply-To: <3BF78D3F-CE3A-4355-A749-90C005695584@craque.net>
References: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>
	<3BF78D3F-CE3A-4355-A749-90C005695584@craque.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-W556FFF0B7A6D573B7C9975FDA10@phx.gbl>



hello, i m writing my phd about Max/MSP/Jitter and i m looking for interesting projects realized with this "autor-sytem" in the domain of  live-electronic-music...
thanks in advance,steffen


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From juhani.raisanen at taik.fi  Tue Mar 10 11:39:52 2009
From: juhani.raisanen at taik.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juhani_R=E4is=E4nen?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:39:52 +0200
Subject: [microsound] max/msp/jitter projects
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-W556FFF0B7A6D573B7C9975FDA10@phx.gbl>
References: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>
	<3BF78D3F-CE3A-4355-A749-90C005695584@craque.net>
	<BAY109-W556FFF0B7A6D573B7C9975FDA10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <656A21AE-EDBA-4343-A0DA-4094162EE7C2@taik.fi>

Hi Steffen,

I am happy to inform you about my project Sormina, which is mostly  
realized using Max/MSP/Jitter. I am writing my phd about this project.


Greetings,
Juhani R?is?nen

http://www.sormina.com


steffen scholl kirjoitti 10.3.2009 kello 16.17:

>
> hello, i m writing my phd about Max/MSP/Jitter and i m looking for  
> interesting projects realized with this "autor-sytem" in the domain  
> of  live-electronic-music...
>
> thanks in advance,
> steffen
>
>
> Du glaubst, TIC TAC TOE zu kennen? Spiel es im Messenger in 3D!  
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

---
Juhani R?is?nen
Researcher
University of Arts and Design Helsinki, Media Lab
juhani.raisanen at taik.fi
+358 40 5227204




From traktorman at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 12:19:14 2009
From: traktorman at gmail.com (tkrakowiak)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:19:14 -0400
Subject: [microsound] skype for live audio collaborations?
Message-ID: <aa0f71fc0903100919oc14f7dcu4faa5a2b57c0e063@mail.gmail.com>

it might be possible with their new codec:

https://developer.skype.com/silk

From tobiasreber at sunrise.ch  Tue Mar 10 14:21:34 2009
From: tobiasreber at sunrise.ch (Tobias Reber)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:21:34 +0100
Subject: [microsound] vocoder / telephone history
In-Reply-To: <aa0f71fc0903100919oc14f7dcu4faa5a2b57c0e063@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa0f71fc0903100919oc14f7dcu4faa5a2b57c0e063@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80D35504-4303-41D1-BB75-302FA6120531@sunrise.ch>

dear all,

i'm looking for all kind of text and sound sources on the development  
of the vocoder and, related to this, early telephone developement.
as i'm researching this for a possible composition I'm not only  
interested in systematic/theoretical sources but also in more  
philosophical and even literary materials on the theme, like early  
theories etc.

any hints or book recommendations would be greatly appreciated. I'll  
be glad to post findings of my own should this be of interest to  
others. also please let me know if I need to formulate my request more  
precisely.

thanks,

tobias


Am 10.03.2009 um 17:19 schrieb tkrakowiak:

> it might be possible with their new codec:
>
> https://developer.skype.com/silk
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

---

Tobias Reber : musician / sound designer

Tobias Reber
Vechigen Dorf
3067 Boll
Switzerland

mobile: ++41 (0)79 573 11 69
email: tobiasreber at sunrise.ch
www.myspace.com/stereorabbi


From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Tue Mar 10 14:24:41 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:24:41 -0700
Subject: [microsound] ID3 tags
Message-ID: <0BFD569D-251B-46CC-9DA9-AE8AF72CF988@anechoicmedia.com>

*** will the following microsounders responsible for the pieces below  
please FIX YOUR ID3 TAGS!!!

3  	  Hypersphere.mp3   	03:14  	5.92  	n/a
7  	  mobilPine.mp3   	03:14  	4.44  	n/a
9 	  Pi.mp3   	03:14  	4.45  	n/a
10  	  PiccioniPierrePiano30069.mp3   	03:14  	7.41  	n/a
13  	  PiMordal.mp3   	03:14  	5.93  	n/a
16  	  pitothepowerofpi.mp3   	03:14  	2.96  	n/a

if not fixed by Friday they will be taken down

ALL pieces must have attribution!


From andrew.robertson at elec.qmul.ac.uk  Tue Mar 10 14:39:27 2009
From: andrew.robertson at elec.qmul.ac.uk (Andrew Robertson)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:39:27 +0000
Subject: [microsound] max/msp/jitter projects
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-W556FFF0B7A6D573B7C9975FDA10@phx.gbl>
References: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>
	<3BF78D3F-CE3A-4355-A749-90C005695584@craque.net>
	<BAY109-W556FFF0B7A6D573B7C9975FDA10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <44435787-24AA-4213-BEB0-F0F572ED0EC4@elec.qmul.ac.uk>

I've been working on a drum tracker - you can see some videos and  
also download at

www.b-keeper.org

it works with Ableton Live so that Live stays in sync with the drums.  
We also did an interactive piece for piano using a combination of  
software - that can be seen at www.c4dmpresents.org

Best wishes,
Andrew



On 10 Mar 2009, at 14:17, steffen scholl wrote:

>
> hello, i m writing my phd about Max/MSP/Jitter and i m looking for  
> interesting projects realized with this "autor-sytem" in the domain  
> of  live-electronic-music...
>
> thanks in advance,
> steffen
>
>
> Du glaubst, TIC TAC TOE zu kennen? Spiel es im Messenger in 3D!
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

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From dev at commtom.com  Tue Mar 10 15:44:22 2009
From: dev at commtom.com (devslashnull)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:44:22 -0600
Subject: [microsound] max/msp/jitter projects
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-W556FFF0B7A6D573B7C9975FDA10@phx.gbl>
References: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>
	<3BF78D3F-CE3A-4355-A749-90C005695584@craque.net>
	<BAY109-W556FFF0B7A6D573B7C9975FDA10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <2622F2BB-6E2C-474D-81E4-4A025B41B156@commtom.com>

I have created an instrument played by solar wind data. The project  
is called "Aurora's Aeolian Harp" and is realized with Max / MSP, and  
Arduino.

More info here :

http://www.solarwindharp.com




On Mar 10, 2009, at 8:17 AM, steffen scholl wrote:

>
> hello, i m writing my phd about Max/MSP/Jitter and i m looking for  
> interesting projects realized with this "autor-sytem" in the domain  
> of  live-electronic-music...
>
> thanks in advance,
> steffen
>
>
> Du glaubst, TIC TAC TOE zu kennen? Spiel es im Messenger in 3D!
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

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From damian at frey.co.nz  Tue Mar 10 16:23:04 2009
From: damian at frey.co.nz (Damian Stewart)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:23:04 +0100
Subject: [microsound] max/msp/jitter projects
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-W556FFF0B7A6D573B7C9975FDA10@phx.gbl>
References: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>	<3BF78D3F-CE3A-4355-A749-90C005695584@craque.net>
	<BAY109-W556FFF0B7A6D573B7C9975FDA10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49B6CC28.1030700@frey.co.nz>

yo,

i'm using Pd exclusively for my sound works, sometimes combining it with 
openFrameworks for c++ work.

http://frey.co.nz/projects/wind
http://frey.co.nz/projects/performance
http://frey.co.nz/projects/waves2waves
( also at http://csugrue.com/waves )

cheers
d

steffen scholl wrote:
> 
> hello, i m writing my phd about Max/MSP/Jitter and i m looking for 
> interesting projects realized with this "autor-sytem" in the domain of 
>  live-electronic-music...
> 
> thanks in advance,
> steffen
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Du glaubst, TIC TAC TOE zu kennen? Spiel es im Messenger in 3D! 
> <http://redirect.gimas.net/?n=M0903IMTicTacToe>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


-- 
damian stewart | skype: damiansnz | damian at frey.co.nz
frey | live art with machines | http://www.frey.co.nz

From brighton.david at ntlworld.com  Tue Mar 10 16:37:29 2009
From: brighton.david at ntlworld.com (David Perkins)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:37:29 +0000
Subject: [microsound] Pond Life
Message-ID: <16E9E4CE-4FB3-48CA-BDE5-D4C6759824F6@ntlworld.com>

Does anyone know of a piece called Pond Life - in particular who is  
the composer?

It takes the form of broadcasting microsoundish sounds and macrosounds  
to a concert audience live from a pond brimming with living things.

It might be a Fluxus piece?

Thanks

David

From bruce at skeletonhome.com  Tue Mar 10 16:43:28 2009
From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:43:28 -0400
Subject: [microsound] Pond Life
In-Reply-To: <16E9E4CE-4FB3-48CA-BDE5-D4C6759824F6@ntlworld.com>
References: <16E9E4CE-4FB3-48CA-BDE5-D4C6759824F6@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <F0EFA14D-6C46-4C7F-BF94-005A5BDBC1BB@skeletonhome.com>

i'm sure it's not the piece you're talking about, but john hudak did  
a gorgeous piece some years ago called POND that i believe was  
recorded with a homemade hydrophone.
b

On Mar 10, 2009, at 4:37 PM, David Perkins wrote:

> Does anyone know of a piece called Pond Life - in particular who is
> the composer?
>
> It takes the form of broadcasting microsoundish sounds and macrosounds
> to a concert audience live from a pond brimming with living things.
>
> It might be a Fluxus piece?
>
> Thanks
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


From craque at craque.net  Tue Mar 10 16:48:28 2009
From: craque at craque.net (CraqueMat)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:48:28 -0700
Subject: [microsound] Pond Life
In-Reply-To: <16E9E4CE-4FB3-48CA-BDE5-D4C6759824F6@ntlworld.com>
References: <16E9E4CE-4FB3-48CA-BDE5-D4C6759824F6@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <49B6D21C.4040706@craque.net>

I don't know of this piece, but Norman Lowrey (and other Deep Listeners 
along with Pauline Oliveros) did a piece called River Sounding which is 
very similar:

http://www.discogs.com/Norman-Lowrey-River-Sounding/release/1193543

His singing masks are incredible by the way!

-m

David Perkins wrote:
> Does anyone know of a piece called Pond Life - in particular who is  
> the composer?
> 
> It takes the form of broadcasting microsoundish sounds and macrosounds  
> to a concert audience live from a pond brimming with living things.
> 
> It might be a Fluxus piece?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> David
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

From rokkrx at ezysurf.co.nz  Tue Mar 10 17:20:55 2009
From: rokkrx at ezysurf.co.nz (abby/Gydja)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:20:55 +1300
Subject: [microsound] Pond Life
References: <16E9E4CE-4FB3-48CA-BDE5-D4C6759824F6@ntlworld.com>
	<49B6D21C.4040706@craque.net>
Message-ID: <000801c9a1c6$19eda110$6401a8c0@abby>

I don't know if this is the piece you mean, as there's no mention of an 
audience, but there's David Dunn's Chaos & the Emergent Mind of the Pond 
from 1989. A 9:30 combination of underwater recordings from a variety of 
North American freshwater ponds.

abby

> David Perkins wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a piece called Pond Life - in particular who is
>> the composer?
>>
>> It takes the form of broadcasting microsoundish sounds and macrosounds
>> to a concert audience live from a pond brimming with living things.
>>
>> It might be a Fluxus piece?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David 


From aherrick at pacbell.net  Tue Mar 10 17:31:16 2009
From: aherrick at pacbell.net (aherrick at pacbell.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:31:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] Pond Life
In-Reply-To: <000801c9a1c6$19eda110$6401a8c0@abby>
Message-ID: <81680.90677.qm@web83601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

the David Dunn piece appears on the CD release 'Angels and Insects'

Label:
?What Next? Recordings


Catalog#:
WN0009


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, abby/Gydja <rokkrx at ezysurf.co.nz> wrote:
From: abby/Gydja <rokkrx at ezysurf.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [microsound] Pond Life
To: microsound at microsound.org
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 2:20 PM

I don't know if this is the piece you mean, as there's no mention of an 
audience, but there's David Dunn's Chaos & the Emergent Mind of the
Pond 
from 1989. A 9:30 combination of underwater recordings from a variety of 
North American freshwater ponds.

abby

> David Perkins wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a piece called Pond Life - in particular who is
>> the composer?
>>
>> It takes the form of broadcasting microsoundish sounds and macrosounds
>> to a concert audience live from a pond brimming with living things.
>>
>> It might be a Fluxus piece?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David 

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From geyr at free.fr  Wed Mar 11 08:17:26 2009
From: geyr at free.fr (geyr at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:17:26 +0100
Subject: [microsound] mics mics
Message-ID: <1236773846.49b7abd621fca@imp.free.fr>


Hi everyone,
Just to ask all of you what you use for fieldrecording (?)

I noticed that the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" seem to be good, handy & not to
expensive
(http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00107.html
http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00096.html)
but what do you think of using them without pre-amp (can't really afford it) on
my Edirol R-09 ?
Besides i didn't really found any advice or note for them ..
Does anyone use them apart from Kim K. ?
Do you have any other rig that has such qualities as good sound, handyness and
nottoexpensiveness ?
Thank you very much ;-)

g?ry

From picnet at urlme.net  Wed Mar 11 08:45:58 2009
From: picnet at urlme.net (Mike)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:45:58 +0200
Subject: [microsound] mics mics
In-Reply-To: <1236773846.49b7abd621fca@imp.free.fr>
References: <1236773846.49b7abd621fca@imp.free.fr>
Message-ID: <76D18F75-331E-40CA-8CEA-63503479EB76@urlme.net>

Hi,

I built my own dummy head, plus some in ear binaural mics - and use  
the Edirol R09HR.
http://www.urlme.net/blog/?page_id=104 or search binaural should find  
a few examples.

The head uses UEC-14 capsules from Elfa electronics, they have a self  
noise around 20 dBA.
and cost around 11 euro each. Panasonic also have a few in the 32 dBA  
noise range, or
look at it the other way, find the Signal to noise ratio and subtract  
that from 94, should give
you an idea of the self noise, the lower the figure the better.

You could also make a wooden barrier rig similar to the ones Rob D  
makes, I made an entry
about that also http://www.urlme.net/blog/?p=678


BR
-Mike.




On Mar 11, 2009, at 2:17 PM, geyr at free.fr wrote:

>
> Hi everyone,
> Just to ask all of you what you use for fieldrecording (?)
>
> I noticed that the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" seem to be good,  
> handy & not to
> expensive
> (http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00107.html
> http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00096.html)
> but what do you think of using them without pre-amp (can't really  
> afford it) on
> my Edirol R-09 ?
> Besides i didn't really found any advice or note for them ..
> Does anyone use them apart from Kim K. ?
> Do you have any other rig that has such qualities as good sound,  
> handyness and
> nottoexpensiveness ?
> Thank you very much ;-)
>
> g?ry
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


From mikesweeton at googlemail.com  Wed Mar 11 09:54:30 2009
From: mikesweeton at googlemail.com (Michael Sweeton)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:54:30 +0000
Subject: [microsound] mics mics
In-Reply-To: <1236773846.49b7abd621fca@imp.free.fr>
References: <1236773846.49b7abd621fca@imp.free.fr>
Message-ID: <49B7C296.9000909@gmail.com>

I have the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" based on Kim's recommendation. 
I'm using them with the olympus ls-10 which is great, though I think the 
noise floor could be slightly lower.

One problem I noticed with the mics was that the earth connection came 
loose during normal use, as they're hand made it could have just been a 
little mistake or perhaps there's not enough quality control going on?

I bought them for a concept E.P I'm doing which is based around the 
elements. I can send you some .wavs if you like?

There's a good article here on making your own condensers which might be 
worth a look -  
http://www.wildlife-sound.org/equipment/technote/micdesigns/index.html

Mike




geyr at free.fr wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Just to ask all of you what you use for fieldrecording (?)
>
> I noticed that the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" seem to be good, handy & not to
> expensive
> (http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00107.html
> http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00096.html)
> but what do you think of using them without pre-amp (can't really afford it) on
> my Edirol R-09 ?
> Besides i didn't really found any advice or note for them ..
> Does anyone use them apart from Kim K. ?
> Do you have any other rig that has such qualities as good sound, handyness and
> nottoexpensiveness ?
> Thank you very much ;-)
>
> g?ry
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>   


From stevericksmusic at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 09:58:59 2009
From: stevericksmusic at gmail.com (Steven Ricks)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:58:59 -0600
Subject: [microsound] mics mics
In-Reply-To: <49B7C296.9000909@gmail.com>
References: <1236773846.49b7abd621fca@imp.free.fr> <49B7C296.9000909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7a0414350903110658i5fb0ac82vef1b5b46d23d7887@mail.gmail.com>

ditto--I'm using the Aevox's w/ the LS10 and have been very happy with the
results.  Would also be happy to send along some samples . . .

SR

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Michael Sweeton <mikesweeton at googlemail.com
> wrote:

> I have the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" based on Kim's recommendation.
> I'm using them with the olympus ls-10 which is great, though I think the
> noise floor could be slightly lower.
>
> One problem I noticed with the mics was that the earth connection came
> loose during normal use, as they're hand made it could have just been a
> little mistake or perhaps there's not enough quality control going on?
>
> I bought them for a concept E.P I'm doing which is based around the
> elements. I can send you some .wavs if you like?
>
> There's a good article here on making your own condensers which might be
> worth a look -
> http://www.wildlife-sound.org/equipment/technote/micdesigns/index.html
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> geyr at free.fr wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > Just to ask all of you what you use for fieldrecording (?)
> >
> > I noticed that the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" seem to be good, handy &
> not to
> > expensive
> > (
> http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00107.html
> > http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00096.html
> )
> > but what do you think of using them without pre-amp (can't really afford
> it) on
> > my Edirol R-09 ?
> > Besides i didn't really found any advice or note for them ..
> > Does anyone use them apart from Kim K. ?
> > Do you have any other rig that has such qualities as good sound,
> handyness and
> > nottoexpensiveness ?
> > Thank you very much ;-)
> >
> > g?ry
> > _______________________________________________
> > microsound mailing list
> > microsound at microsound.org
> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>



-- 
Steven Ricks
Composer
www.stevericks.com
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From tofu at kuci.org  Wed Mar 11 11:13:54 2009
From: tofu at kuci.org (zimbo chris)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:13:54 -0700
Subject: [microsound] mics mics
In-Reply-To: <7a0414350903110658i5fb0ac82vef1b5b46d23d7887@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1236773846.49b7abd621fca@imp.free.fr> <49B7C296.9000909@gmail.com>
	<7a0414350903110658i5fb0ac82vef1b5b46d23d7887@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ba562a3c0903110813l42c0c230h643d2dc59d195e4e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!
Has anyone used both the Aevox and the Sound Professional earbud mics
(SP-TFB-2)?

I have the SP's and am pretty happy, but have been curious if there is a
difference...
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-TFB-2

Thanks!
Chris


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Steven Ricks <stevericksmusic at gmail.com>wrote:

> ditto--I'm using the Aevox's w/ the LS10 and have been very happy with the
> results.  Would also be happy to send along some samples . . .
>
> SR
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Michael Sweeton <
> mikesweeton at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" based on Kim's recommendation.
>> I'm using them with the olympus ls-10 which is great, though I think the
>> noise floor could be slightly lower.
>>
>> One problem I noticed with the mics was that the earth connection came
>> loose during normal use, as they're hand made it could have just been a
>> little mistake or perhaps there's not enough quality control going on?
>>
>> I bought them for a concept E.P I'm doing which is based around the
>> elements. I can send you some .wavs if you like?
>>
>> There's a good article here on making your own condensers which might be
>> worth a look -
>> http://www.wildlife-sound.org/equipment/technote/micdesigns/index.html
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> geyr at free.fr wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> > Just to ask all of you what you use for fieldrecording (?)
>> >
>> > I noticed that the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" seem to be good, handy
>> & not to
>> > expensive
>> > (
>> http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00107.html
>> >
>> http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00096.html)
>> > but what do you think of using them without pre-amp (can't really afford
>> it) on
>> > my Edirol R-09 ?
>> > Besides i didn't really found any advice or note for them ..
>> > Does anyone use them apart from Kim K. ?
>> > Do you have any other rig that has such qualities as good sound,
>> handyness and
>> > nottoexpensiveness ?
>> > Thank you very much ;-)
>> >
>> > g?ry
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > microsound mailing list
>> > microsound at microsound.org
>> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>> >
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>
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>
>
> --
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> Composer
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From palace at guero.sr.unh.edu  Wed Mar 11 11:25:59 2009
From: palace at guero.sr.unh.edu (Michael Palace)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:25:59 -0400
Subject: [microsound] mics mics
References: <1236773846.49b7abd621fca@imp.free.fr>
Message-ID: <6489B0ECD2CB4F129B1F0D323BBAA3B7@toshibauser>

I have used an Audio-Technical AT822 Stereo Condenser Mic stereo XY 
microphone and minidisc recorders.

I now use the Zoom H4.  It really has a nice sound and it is easy to 
transport to some of the crazy places I have done recordings.  My one 
problem with it is that it looks like a taser.  Not very helpful when you 
are going through airports in countries where you do not speak the language 
well.  I also like using batteries and not recharging the device, since at 
times i have been in areas where I was unable to have electricity.  Finally, 
things that do not have moving parts tend to work better in damp and humid 
conditions.

Here is a mp3 that I made in the Amazon.  It is 70 plus minutes long.

http://wanderingear.com/we003.html
In this recording I set up the mini disc recorder and microphone and left it 
to record while I went to do measurements. In the beginning you can hear me 
set up the microphone and walk into the forest with my field guide Fransico, 
who lived near the research site and worked with me for a number of years. 
The area that we recorded was near a road used by researchers and at one 
point you can hear a truck go by. At the end you can hear me come out of the 
woods and get picked up by the other researchers. Also of note are the 
cicadas and their cycling of calls, a branch fall, and some animal that went 
up and curiously examined the recording equipment.

Mike Palace

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <geyr at free.fr>
To: <microsound at or8.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:17 AM
Subject: [microsound] mics mics


>
> Hi everyone,
> Just to ask all of you what you use for fieldrecording (?)
>
> I noticed that the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" seem to be good, handy & 
> not to
> expensive
> (http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00107.html
> http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00096.html)
> but what do you think of using them without pre-amp (can't really afford 
> it) on
> my Edirol R-09 ?
> Besides i didn't really found any advice or note for them ..
> Does anyone use them apart from Kim K. ?
> Do you have any other rig that has such qualities as good sound, handyness 
> and
> nottoexpensiveness ?
> Thank you very much ;-)
>
> g?ry
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound 


From jeff at arcosanti.org  Wed Mar 11 11:33:54 2009
From: jeff at arcosanti.org (Jeff Kunzelman)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:54 -0700
Subject: [microsound] mics mics
In-Reply-To: <6489B0ECD2CB4F129B1F0D323BBAA3B7@toshibauser>
References: <1236773846.49b7abd621fca@imp.free.fr>
	<6489B0ECD2CB4F129B1F0D323BBAA3B7@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <BCC291ED-9D2D-4DC5-88F9-6CF989E7D40C@arcosanti.org>

I use a Rode NT4 with a windscreen and a rycote furry thing. It's a  
medium sized condenser.

The nice thing is the mics are in a fixed position for an accurate  
stereo field that requires no post processing. I like it cause I don't  
have to worry about positioning, but some people may want more  
flexiblity. In that case they also offer the same elements as separate  
condenser mics as well.



On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:25 AM, Michael Palace wrote:

> I have used an Audio-Technical AT822 Stereo Condenser Mic stereo XY
> microphone and minidisc recorders.
>
> I now use the Zoom H4.  It really has a nice sound and it is easy to
> transport to some of the crazy places I have done recordings.  My one
> problem with it is that it looks like a taser.  Not very helpful  
> when you
> are going through airports in countries where you do not speak the  
> language
> well.  I also like using batteries and not recharging the device,  
> since at
> times i have been in areas where I was unable to have electricity.   
> Finally,
> things that do not have moving parts tend to work better in damp and  
> humid
> conditions.
>
> Here is a mp3 that I made in the Amazon.  It is 70 plus minutes long.
>
> http://wanderingear.com/we003.html
> In this recording I set up the mini disc recorder and microphone and  
> left it
> to record while I went to do measurements. In the beginning you can  
> hear me
> set up the microphone and walk into the forest with my field guide  
> Fransico,
> who lived near the research site and worked with me for a number of  
> years.
> The area that we recorded was near a road used by researchers and at  
> one
> point you can hear a truck go by. At the end you can hear me come  
> out of the
> woods and get picked up by the other researchers. Also of note are the
> cicadas and their cycling of calls, a branch fall, and some animal  
> that went
> up and curiously examined the recording equipment.
>
> Mike Palace
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <geyr at free.fr>
> To: <microsound at or8.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:17 AM
> Subject: [microsound] mics mics
>
>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Just to ask all of you what you use for fieldrecording (?)
>>
>> I noticed that the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" seem to be good,  
>> handy &
>> not to
>> expensive
>> (http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00107.html
>> http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00096.html)
>> but what do you think of using them without pre-amp (can't really  
>> afford
>> it) on
>> my Edirol R-09 ?
>> Besides i didn't really found any advice or note for them ..
>> Does anyone use them apart from Kim K. ?
>> Do you have any other rig that has such qualities as good sound,  
>> handyness
>> and
>> nottoexpensiveness ?
>> Thank you very much ;-)
>>
>> g?ry
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Wed Mar 11 12:13:07 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:13:07 -0700
Subject: [microsound] Pond Life
Message-ID: <920610A2-7614-4CE3-A667-6B115FAD8533@anechoicmedia.com>

The artist you are referring to is Lee Patterson who lives in the UK


From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Wed Mar 11 12:43:50 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:43:50 -0700
Subject: [microsound] mics mics
Message-ID: <BA843B20-7B9E-49C7-8BF5-A16B40A1019E@anechoicmedia.com>

> I have the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" based on Kim's  
> recommendation.
> I'm using them with the olympus ls-10 which is great, though I  
> think the
> noise floor could be slightly lower.

curious, are you finding this from the LS-10 preamp or the mics  
themselves
I've also been using my AT822 stereo mic a lot again -- which is nice  
as an alternative to mic'ing everything with the Aevox
but I do like the 'sound' of the Aevox's
:)

From type at uwm.edu  Wed Mar 11 12:48:06 2009
From: type at uwm.edu (Rob Danielson)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:48:06 -0500
Subject: [microsound] mics mics
Message-ID: <p0623091dc5dd993f6121@[192.168.10.3]>

There are quite a few options among the smaller, 
"lavaliere" electret mics and there is 
considerable repackaging under different names. 
Some of the capsules discussed here are new to me 
or I don't have source info for.

Here's a .doc  list of small lav mics with 
specs/prices and cross-marketing that I started 
compiling a little over a month ago.

https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/type/public/temporary/CompareCommercialLavs_1_2009.doc

If anyone has interest, maybe ones I missed could 
be added and posted somewhere or sent back to me 
and I'll add them to my "electret mics" page 
http://tinyurl.com/3v6med ?

For larger condenser mics, there several lists 
that can be downloaded and sorted for specific 
criteria here: 
http://www.uwm.edu/~type/audio-art-tech-gallery/pages/MicSpecs-Cover.html

Always behind on these,..
Rob D.


At 11:25 AM -0400 3/11/09, Michael Palace wrote:
>I have used an Audio-Technical AT822 Stereo Condenser Mic stereo XY
>microphone and minidisc recorders.
>
>I now use the Zoom H4.  It really has a nice sound and it is easy to
>transport to some of the crazy places I have done recordings.  My one
>problem with it is that it looks like a taser.  Not very helpful when you
>are going through airports in countries where you do not speak the language
>well.  I also like using batteries and not recharging the device, since at
>times i have been in areas where I was unable to have electricity.  Finally,
>things that do not have moving parts tend to work better in damp and humid
>conditions.
>
>Here is a mp3 that I made in the Amazon.  It is 70 plus minutes long.
>
>http://wanderingear.com/we003.html
>In this recording I set up the mini disc recorder and microphone and left it
>to record while I went to do measurements. In the beginning you can hear me
>set up the microphone and walk into the forest with my field guide Fransico,
>who lived near the research site and worked with me for a number of years.
>The area that we recorded was near a road used by researchers and at one
>point you can hear a truck go by. At the end you can hear me come out of the
>woods and get picked up by the other researchers. Also of note are the
>cicadas and their cycling of calls, a branch fall, and some animal that went
>up and curiously examined the recording equipment.
>
>Mike Palace
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <geyr at free.fr>
>To: <microsound at or8.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:17 AM
>Subject: [microsound] mics mics
>
>
>  >
>  > Hi everyone,
>  > Just to ask all of you what you use for fieldrecording (?)
>  >
>  > I noticed that the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" seem to be good, handy &
>  > not to
>  > expensive
>  > (http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00107.html
>  > http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00096.html)
>  > but what do you think of using them without pre-amp (can't really afford
>  > it) on
>  > my Edirol R-09 ?
>  > Besides i didn't really found any advice or note for them ..
>  > Does anyone use them apart from Kim K. ?
>  > Do you have any other rig that has such qualities as good sound, handyness
>  > and
>  > nottoexpensiveness ?
>  > Thank you very much ;-)
>  >
>  > g?ry
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > microsound mailing list
>  > microsound at microsound.org
>  > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>_______________________________________________
>microsound mailing list
>microsound at microsound.org
>http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound




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From mikesweeton at googlemail.com  Wed Mar 11 13:17:13 2009
From: mikesweeton at googlemail.com (Michael Sweeton)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:17:13 +0000
Subject: [microsound] mics mics
In-Reply-To: <BA843B20-7B9E-49C7-8BF5-A16B40A1019E@anechoicmedia.com>
References: <BA843B20-7B9E-49C7-8BF5-A16B40A1019E@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <49B7F219.6010409@gmail.com>

I'm not sure. I'm using hte ls-10 on low sensetivity, whenever I've 
tried it on high it introduces a lot of noise.

How do you find it?

Kim Cascone wrote:
>> I have the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" based on Kim's  
>> recommendation.
>> I'm using them with the olympus ls-10 which is great, though I  
>> think the
>> noise floor could be slightly lower.
>>     
>
> curious, are you finding this from the LS-10 preamp or the mics  
> themselves
> I've also been using my AT822 stereo mic a lot again -- which is nice  
> as an alternative to mic'ing everything with the Aevox
> but I do like the 'sound' of the Aevox's
> :)
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>   


From ken at restivo.org  Wed Mar 11 14:27:03 2009
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:27:03 -0700
Subject: [microsound] mics mics
In-Reply-To: <6489B0ECD2CB4F129B1F0D323BBAA3B7@toshibauser>
References: <1236773846.49b7abd621fca@imp.free.fr>
	<6489B0ECD2CB4F129B1F0D323BBAA3B7@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <20090311182703.GB16411@aieee.restivo.org>

I'm using the Zoom H2. Small, light, easy to use.

Examples here:
http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=52342
http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=50410
http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=49494
http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=49488
http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=49492
http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=49491
http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=49490
http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=49489


-ken
-------------
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:25:59AM -0400, Michael Palace wrote:
> I have used an Audio-Technical AT822 Stereo Condenser Mic stereo XY 
> microphone and minidisc recorders.
> 
> I now use the Zoom H4.  It really has a nice sound and it is easy to 
> transport to some of the crazy places I have done recordings.  My one 
> problem with it is that it looks like a taser.  Not very helpful when you 
> are going through airports in countries where you do not speak the language 
> well.  I also like using batteries and not recharging the device, since at 
> times i have been in areas where I was unable to have electricity.  Finally, 
> things that do not have moving parts tend to work better in damp and humid 
> conditions.
> 
> Here is a mp3 that I made in the Amazon.  It is 70 plus minutes long.
> 
> http://wanderingear.com/we003.html
> In this recording I set up the mini disc recorder and microphone and left it 
> to record while I went to do measurements. In the beginning you can hear me 
> set up the microphone and walk into the forest with my field guide Fransico, 
> who lived near the research site and worked with me for a number of years. 
> The area that we recorded was near a road used by researchers and at one 
> point you can hear a truck go by. At the end you can hear me come out of the 
> woods and get picked up by the other researchers. Also of note are the 
> cicadas and their cycling of calls, a branch fall, and some animal that went 
> up and curiously examined the recording equipment.
> 
> Mike Palace
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <geyr at free.fr>
> To: <microsound at or8.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 8:17 AM
> Subject: [microsound] mics mics
> 
> 
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > Just to ask all of you what you use for fieldrecording (?)
> >
> > I noticed that the "Aevox Classic M MkII stereo" seem to be good, handy & 
> > not to
> > expensive
> > (http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00107.html
> > http://www.propheticdesire.us/microsound/html/2008/2008-08/msg00096.html)
> > but what do you think of using them without pre-amp (can't really afford 
> > it) on
> > my Edirol R-09 ?
> > Besides i didn't really found any advice or note for them ..
> > Does anyone use them apart from Kim K. ?
> > Do you have any other rig that has such qualities as good sound, handyness 
> > and
> > nottoexpensiveness ?
> > Thank you very much ;-)
> >
> > g?ry
> > _______________________________________________
> > microsound mailing list
> > microsound at microsound.org
> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

From ken at restivo.org  Wed Mar 11 14:30:00 2009
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:30:00 -0700
Subject: [microsound] ***mp3 ID3 tags redux***
In-Reply-To: <188303.78895.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <2D5EF5AF-2F61-47BC-A079-E64D6CAF3E7C@anechoicmedia.com>
	<188303.78895.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090311183000.GC16411@aieee.restivo.org>

On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 12:08:25PM -0700, gerardo figueroa wrote:
> 
> > pieces without proper attribution will not be used
> 
> what does this mean, exactly? - is it referred to sound sources, cc licenses,   missing MS-DOS names?...
> 
> thanx in advance ;)
> 
> 

It drives me nuts to have files on my Sansa with no artist, no title, no album, no year, no nothing. They scroll by on randomize, and I'm like, "Wow, this is a great peice, whose is it?", and the answer is, "Who the hell knows, it's called 'track4-rendered.mp3'!". Alas, most of the stuff out on the internets seems to be missing tags.

-ken

From ken at restivo.org  Wed Mar 11 14:31:35 2009
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:31:35 -0700
Subject: [microsound] looking for a laserish sound
In-Reply-To: <49B1B180.50501@verizon.net>
References: <522724.15583.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<49B1B180.50501@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20090311183135.GD16411@aieee.restivo.org>

Then of course, there's the Blaster Beam:
http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2004/12/star-trek-female-orgasms-and.html

-ken
-----------
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 06:28:00PM -0500, Jim Lee wrote:
> A piezo transducer on a very long tight wire or cable will give it to 
> you. So will a "slinky" stretched and plunked.
> Here is an example from an amplifiied slinky embedded in a sculpture:  
> http://www.bambooturtle.us/swarm2.mp3
> You would probably not be so interested in all of the lo freq stuff 
> associated with that one but that is what filters are for.
> Good Luck
> Jim
> 
> Samuel van ransbeeck wrote:
> > I am looking for a laser-like sound, similar like this one in the beginning of this video
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jg6MXht-JU
> > Anyone can help me?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Samuel Van Ransbeeck
> >
> >
> >       
> > _______________________________________________
> > microsound mailing list
> > microsound at microsound.org
> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >
> >   
> 
> -- 
> Jim Lee - Bamboo Turtle Studio
> http://www.bambooturtle.com
> 
> Home of the Rock Nest Monster
> http://www.bambooturtle.us/Rock_Nest_Monster.html
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

From listekutusu at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 17:32:23 2009
From: listekutusu at gmail.com (Korhan Erel)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:32:23 +0200
Subject: [microsound] skype for live audio collaborations?
In-Reply-To: <aa0f71fc0903100919oc14f7dcu4faa5a2b57c0e063@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa0f71fc0903100919oc14f7dcu4faa5a2b57c0e063@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7637880-88EC-4FE6-9531-4379A9059155@gmail.com>

Hi,

I've recently played a concert with a clarinet player in Berlin over  
Skype from Istanbul. The latency was liveable and the result was  
surprisingly good.

Best,

Korhan Erel

On 10.Mar.2009, at 18:19, tkrakowiak wrote:

> it might be possible with their new codec:
>
> https://developer.skype.com/silk
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


From batuhan at batuhanbozkurt.com  Wed Mar 11 17:43:56 2009
From: batuhan at batuhanbozkurt.com (Batuhan Bozkurt)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:43:56 +0200
Subject: [microsound] skype for live audio collaborations?
In-Reply-To: <A7637880-88EC-4FE6-9531-4379A9059155@gmail.com>
References: <aa0f71fc0903100919oc14f7dcu4faa5a2b57c0e063@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7637880-88EC-4FE6-9531-4379A9059155@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00E43A63-0B3C-44A6-9D3E-A0BB4C5D59A1@batuhanbozkurt.com>

Hi Korhan, I was going to ask what you used to stream audio for that  
performance but now that I know you used Skype, let me ask; was it  
running with this new codec or the standard one? I'm not exactly sure  
what type of compression it uses but we were using skype with jack  
under linux with my friend for performance rehearsals (pieces were not  
calling for absolute syncing of course) it was fine but the sound  
quality was poor (that was more than a year ago so I assume it was the  
old codec). I'm eager to see this new stuff in action...

BB.

On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Korhan Erel wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've recently played a concert with a clarinet player in Berlin over
> Skype from Istanbul. The latency was liveable and the result was
> surprisingly good.
>
> Best,
>
> Korhan Erel
>
> On 10.Mar.2009, at 18:19, tkrakowiak wrote:
>
>> it might be possible with their new codec:
>>
>> https://developer.skype.com/silk
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
> _______________________________________________
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> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


From muse at i8u.com  Wed Mar 11 17:57:03 2009
From: muse at i8u.com (i8u)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:57:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
Message-ID: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>


hello,

i have a problem i hope someone can shed some light on.

i recently (1 month) bought a 15,4 last generation
macbookpro, refurbished.

i hear what i believe to be a noisy drive,
i went to mac and they said it is within normal
specs.

anyone had the same problem ?

my work being of minimal nature, i find it difficult
to make abstraction of this recurring sound

any ideas?

best

i8u








                      - 33
NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm


www.i8u.com


From listekutusu at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 17:58:35 2009
From: listekutusu at gmail.com (Korhan Erel)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:58:35 +0200
Subject: [microsound] skype for live audio collaborations?
In-Reply-To: <00E43A63-0B3C-44A6-9D3E-A0BB4C5D59A1@batuhanbozkurt.com>
References: <aa0f71fc0903100919oc14f7dcu4faa5a2b57c0e063@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7637880-88EC-4FE6-9531-4379A9059155@gmail.com>
	<00E43A63-0B3C-44A6-9D3E-A0BB4C5D59A1@batuhanbozkurt.com>
Message-ID: <68087AE7-3948-4B9A-A765-224CDC503FEE@gmail.com>

Hey Batuhan!

The sound quality was poor in the way regular phone conversations are.  
And we accepted that poor quality as a part of the performance. Since  
the audience in Berlin was hearing the clarinet live, a band-limited  
computer signal was quite livable. I haven't yet received the  
recording of the concert but the clarinet player, Markus Wenninger,  
told me after the show that my timing was very good and the  
combination of computer and clarinet was very good. This means the  
sound wasn't bad at all and the latency was also quite low.

I don't think Skype uses this new codec yet, does it?

Korhan

On 11.Mar.2009, at 23:43, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:

> Hi Korhan, I was going to ask what you used to stream audio for that
> performance but now that I know you used Skype, let me ask; was it
> running with this new codec or the standard one? I'm not exactly sure
> what type of compression it uses but we were using skype with jack
> under linux with my friend for performance rehearsals (pieces were not
> calling for absolute syncing of course) it was fine but the sound
> quality was poor (that was more than a year ago so I assume it was the
> old codec). I'm eager to see this new stuff in action...
>
> BB.
>
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Korhan Erel wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've recently played a concert with a clarinet player in Berlin over
>> Skype from Istanbul. The latency was liveable and the result was
>> surprisingly good.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Korhan Erel
>>
>> On 10.Mar.2009, at 18:19, tkrakowiak wrote:
>>
>>> it might be possible with their new codec:
>>>
>>> https://developer.skype.com/silk
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> microsound mailing list
>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


From kcpaul at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 18:14:41 2009
From: kcpaul at gmail.com (Kevin Paul)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:14:41 -0600
Subject: [microsound] skype for live audio collaborations?
In-Reply-To: <68087AE7-3948-4B9A-A765-224CDC503FEE@gmail.com>
References: <aa0f71fc0903100919oc14f7dcu4faa5a2b57c0e063@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7637880-88EC-4FE6-9531-4379A9059155@gmail.com>
	<00E43A63-0B3C-44A6-9D3E-A0BB4C5D59A1@batuhanbozkurt.com>
	<68087AE7-3948-4B9A-A765-224CDC503FEE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93D384A7-9C26-4E37-B9D2-7A15F6B54838@gmail.com>

Hi Korhan.  I'll be ready to try this with you as soon as I get  
through this weekends performances!

--
Kevin


On Mar 11, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Korhan Erel wrote:

> Hey Batuhan!
>
> The sound quality was poor in the way regular phone conversations are.
> And we accepted that poor quality as a part of the performance. Since
> the audience in Berlin was hearing the clarinet live, a band-limited
> computer signal was quite livable. I haven't yet received the
> recording of the concert but the clarinet player, Markus Wenninger,
> told me after the show that my timing was very good and the
> combination of computer and clarinet was very good. This means the
> sound wasn't bad at all and the latency was also quite low.
>
> I don't think Skype uses this new codec yet, does it?
>
> Korhan
>
> On 11.Mar.2009, at 23:43, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:
>
>> Hi Korhan, I was going to ask what you used to stream audio for that
>> performance but now that I know you used Skype, let me ask; was it
>> running with this new codec or the standard one? I'm not exactly sure
>> what type of compression it uses but we were using skype with jack
>> under linux with my friend for performance rehearsals (pieces were  
>> not
>> calling for absolute syncing of course) it was fine but the sound
>> quality was poor (that was more than a year ago so I assume it was  
>> the
>> old codec). I'm eager to see this new stuff in action...
>>
>> BB.
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Korhan Erel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've recently played a concert with a clarinet player in Berlin over
>>> Skype from Istanbul. The latency was liveable and the result was
>>> surprisingly good.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Korhan Erel
>>>
>>> On 10.Mar.2009, at 18:19, tkrakowiak wrote:
>>>
>>>> it might be possible with their new codec:
>>>>
>>>> https://developer.skype.com/silk
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> microsound mailing list
>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound


From batuhan at batuhanbozkurt.com  Wed Mar 11 18:35:58 2009
From: batuhan at batuhanbozkurt.com (Batuhan Bozkurt)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:35:58 +0200
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
References: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
Message-ID: <11345592-E7F0-498E-AD8E-F70AB698DEB8@batuhanbozkurt.com>

Hi,

I really don't really know what their specs are but I also have a  
unibody mbp and the hd runs disturbingly quiet.

The system profiler says its a "Hitachi HTS543225L9SA02"...
Is it the same drive?

BB.

On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:57 PM, i8u wrote:

>
> hello,
>
> i have a problem i hope someone can shed some light on.
>
> i recently (1 month) bought a 15,4 last generation
> macbookpro, refurbished.
>
> i hear what i believe to be a noisy drive,
> i went to mac and they said it is within normal
> specs.
>
> anyone had the same problem ?
>
> my work being of minimal nature, i find it difficult
> to make abstraction of this recurring sound
>
> any ideas?
>
> best
>
> i8u
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                      - 33
> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>
>
> www.i8u.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
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From grahamsutherland at riseup.net  Wed Mar 11 18:53:46 2009
From: grahamsutherland at riseup.net (Graham Sutherland)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:53:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [microsound] microsound Digest, Vol 3, Issue 16
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11963.1236810977.3925.microsound@or8.net>
References: <mailman.11963.1236810977.3925.microsound@or8.net>
Message-ID: <grahamsutherland.1236812026.squirrel@tern.riseup.net>

i've had the same problem. i am pretty sure it is actually within normal
specs. make sure you have the breathing mouth vent thing on the bottom
right of the computer not blocked, it might be somewhat controlled in
frequency of how many times you hear it by if your machine is overheating.
i still don't think most people have figured out how to get it to go away
though. it supposedly is how the drive just works that is why apple said
it is okay for it to make the sound. the drives "just do that" on the new
15 inch macs...

UGH...I STILL HATE IT THOUGH.

-graham

> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:57:03 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "i8u" <muse at i8u.com>
> Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel at www.mmpandora.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
> hello,
>
> i have a problem i hope someone can shed some light on.
>
> i recently (1 month) bought a 15,4 last generation
> macbookpro, refurbished.
>
> i hear what i believe to be a noisy drive,
> i went to mac and they said it is within normal
> specs.
>
> anyone had the same problem ?
>
> my work being of minimal nature, i find it difficult
> to make abstraction of this recurring sound
>
> any ideas?
>
> best
>
> i8u
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                       - 33
> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>
>
> www.i8u.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------


From ytbmusic at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 19:21:16 2009
From: ytbmusic at gmail.com (ytbmusic at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:21:16 -0700
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <11345592-E7F0-498E-AD8E-F70AB698DEB8@batuhanbozkurt.com>
References: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<11345592-E7F0-498E-AD8E-F70AB698DEB8@batuhanbozkurt.com>
Message-ID: <e6ed5a4f0903111621x268f0af5w1e6410ea28ff52ae@mail.gmail.com>

If it's just an electrical clicking type noise then that's just normal hard
drive noise.  This noise will be louder if your drive is 7200 rpm vs. 5400
rpm.  If your drive is making a whirling spinning sound that may or may not
be continuous then you probably will have a hard drive problem soon.  My mac
makes that noise only sometimes (usually its brought on by watching videos
from the NBC site).  Now I run my laptop most of the time off an external
firewire 400 drive with my audio session files off an external 800 drive.
Mac got rid of the 400 connection on the new computers.  Bunch of idiots if
you ask me.  Audio needs firewire 400 interfaces if you're recording (USB
SUCKS!), but I digest... my awesome togos sandwich now.  Hope this helps.

Mr. Super Cool Daddy


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Batuhan Bozkurt <batuhan at batuhanbozkurt.com
> wrote:

> Hi,
> I really don't really know what their specs are but I also have a unibody
> mbp and the hd runs disturbingly quiet.
>
> The system profiler says its a "Hitachi HTS543225L9SA02"...
> Is it the same drive?
>
> BB.
>
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:57 PM, i8u wrote:
>
>
> hello,
>
> i have a problem i hope someone can shed some light on.
>
> i recently (1 month) bought a 15,4 last generation
> macbookpro, refurbished.
>
> i hear what i believe to be a noisy drive,
> i went to mac and they said it is within normal
> specs.
>
> anyone had the same problem ?
>
> my work being of minimal nature, i find it difficult
> to make abstraction of this recurring sound
>
> any ideas?
>
> best
>
> i8u
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                      - 33
> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>
>
> www.i8u.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
>
>
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> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
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From digiology at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 19:48:26 2009
From: digiology at gmail.com (Ross Rochford)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:48:26 +0000
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <e6ed5a4f0903111621x268f0af5w1e6410ea28ff52ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<11345592-E7F0-498E-AD8E-F70AB698DEB8@batuhanbozkurt.com>
	<e6ed5a4f0903111621x268f0af5w1e6410ea28ff52ae@mail.gmail.com>
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You're going to record it for our collection of hard drive noises right? : )
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From trommer at sympatico.ca  Thu Mar 12 08:15:18 2009
From: trommer at sympatico.ca (michael trommer)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:15:18 -0400
Subject: [microsound] skype for live audio collaborations?
In-Reply-To: <A7637880-88EC-4FE6-9531-4379A9059155@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4200216817308D7BA40BA0CF9F0@phx.gbl>

We (io media in toronto) recently did a show involving an on-line
performance with zen lu in shenzhen, china. We used the t-u-b-e freeware
plug-in...sound quality was very good, though the delay was about 1-2
seconds.

http://www.t-u-b-e.de/


On 3/11/09 5:32 PM, "Korhan Erel" <listekutusu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've recently played a concert with a clarinet player in Berlin over
> Skype from Istanbul. The latency was liveable and the result was
> surprisingly good.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Korhan Erel
> 
> On 10.Mar.2009, at 18:19, tkrakowiak wrote:
> 
>> it might be possible with their new codec:
>> 
>> https://developer.skype.com/silk
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> 
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
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From muse at i8u.com  Thu Mar 12 08:45:53 2009
From: muse at i8u.com (i8u)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:45:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <11345592-E7F0-498E-AD8E-F70AB698DEB8@batuhanbozkurt.com>
References: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<11345592-E7F0-498E-AD8E-F70AB698DEB8@batuhanbozkurt.com>
Message-ID: <49333.66.11.179.72.1236861953.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>

it is a FUJITSU MHW2160BHPL 160G,

i found out last night that this drive
is notoriously problematic.

one idea is now to upgrade to a seagate as hey
seem to be quiet.

if i do so, i wa told i will lose my warranty
but that it will be re instated if i re-install the original drive
if i av a problem with the laptop, other than the drive.

anyone ever done this before ?

i8u


> Hi,
>
> I really don't really know what their specs are but I also have a
> unibody mbp and the hd runs disturbingly quiet.
>
> The system profiler says its a "Hitachi HTS543225L9SA02"...
> Is it the same drive?
>
> BB.
>
> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:57 PM, i8u wrote:
>
>>
>> hello,
>>
>> i have a problem i hope someone can shed some light on.
>>
>> i recently (1 month) bought a 15,4 last generation
>> macbookpro, refurbished.
>>
>> i hear what i believe to be a noisy drive,
>> i went to mac and they said it is within normal
>> specs.
>>
>> anyone had the same problem ?
>>
>> my work being of minimal nature, i find it difficult
>> to make abstraction of this recurring sound
>>
>> any ideas?
>>
>> best
>>
>> i8u
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                      - 33
>> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>>
>>
>> www.i8u.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>









                      - 33
NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm


www.i8u.com


From martin at blackhole-factory.de  Thu Mar 12 09:35:23 2009
From: martin at blackhole-factory.de (Martin Slawig)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:35:23 +0100
Subject: [microsound] skype for live audio collaborations?
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP4200216817308D7BA40BA0CF9F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP4200216817308D7BA40BA0CF9F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F5C401BA-37FE-4B65-835A-7C253B2AD6F4@blackhole-factory.de>

Last month we used nicecast streaming server, freeware from http:// 
www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/ for a performance together with  
noiseborder-ensemble from windsor, canada. We had a delay from 2-3  
sec. So I will check out the tube plug-in.

martin

****************************************
b l a c k h o l e - f a c t o r y
Berliner Platz 1
D-38102 Braunschweig
fon ++49.531.2876005
info at blackhole-factory.com
http://www.blackhole-factory.com
****************************************

Am 12.03.2009 um 13:15 schrieb michael trommer:
We (io media in toronto) recently did a show involving an on-line  
performance with zen lu in shenzhen, china. We used the t-u-b-e  
freeware plug-in...sound quality was very good, though the delay was  
about 1-2 seconds.

http://www.t-u-b-e.de/


On 3/11/09 5:32 PM, "Korhan Erel" <listekutusu at gmail.com> wrote:

 > Hi,
 >
 > I've recently played a concert with a clarinet player in Berlin over
 > Skype from Istanbul. The latency was liveable and the result was
 > surprisingly good.
 >
 > Best,
 >
 > Korhan Erel
 >
 > On 10.Mar.2009, at 18:19, tkrakowiak wrote:
 >
 >> it might be possible with their new codec:
 >>
 >> https://developer.skype.com/silk
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> microsound mailing list
 >> microsound at microsound.org
 >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > microsound mailing list
 > microsound at microsound.org
 > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
 >
_______________________________________________
microsound mailing list
microsound at microsound.org
http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound



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From ytbmusic at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 15:33:27 2009
From: ytbmusic at gmail.com (ytbmusic at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:33:27 -0700
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <49333.66.11.179.72.1236861953.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
References: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<11345592-E7F0-498E-AD8E-F70AB698DEB8@batuhanbozkurt.com>
	<49333.66.11.179.72.1236861953.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
Message-ID: <e6ed5a4f0903121233w507bf8f4n39e6c41f2d563689@mail.gmail.com>

I did.  Replacing the hard drive on a mac laptop was super hard for me.
They are not made to be opened easily.  I would say that if you plan on
running your apple care out without buying another 3 years to maybe go for
it.  Pray that you don't break your computer in the process.  That being
said, it might actually be a better idea to buy a backup drive and backup
often and just wait for the computer to break.  Then renew apple care since
you have a newer laptop.  Apple care is your friend and apple laptops need
it.  They will fix anything that breaks no questions.  I had the motherboard
and the keyboard replaced twice on mine.  I'll buy a pc laptop next time...


On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:45 AM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:

> it is a FUJITSU MHW2160BHPL 160G,
>
> i found out last night that this drive
> is notoriously problematic.
>
> one idea is now to upgrade to a seagate as hey
> seem to be quiet.
>
> if i do so, i wa told i will lose my warranty
> but that it will be re instated if i re-install the original drive
> if i av a problem with the laptop, other than the drive.
>
> anyone ever done this before ?
>
> i8u
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I really don't really know what their specs are but I also have a
> > unibody mbp and the hd runs disturbingly quiet.
> >
> > The system profiler says its a "Hitachi HTS543225L9SA02"...
> > Is it the same drive?
> >
> > BB.
> >
> > On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:57 PM, i8u wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> hello,
> >>
> >> i have a problem i hope someone can shed some light on.
> >>
> >> i recently (1 month) bought a 15,4 last generation
> >> macbookpro, refurbished.
> >>
> >> i hear what i believe to be a noisy drive,
> >> i went to mac and they said it is within normal
> >> specs.
> >>
> >> anyone had the same problem ?
> >>
> >> my work being of minimal nature, i find it difficult
> >> to make abstraction of this recurring sound
> >>
> >> any ideas?
> >>
> >> best
> >>
> >> i8u
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                      - 33
> >> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
> >>
> >>
> >> www.i8u.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> microsound mailing list
> >> microsound at microsound.org
> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > microsound mailing list
> > microsound at microsound.org
> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                      - 33
> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>
>
> www.i8u.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
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From batuhan at batuhanbozkurt.com  Thu Mar 12 16:37:57 2009
From: batuhan at batuhanbozkurt.com (Batuhan Bozkurt)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:37:57 +0200
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <49333.66.11.179.72.1236861953.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
References: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<11345592-E7F0-498E-AD8E-F70AB698DEB8@batuhanbozkurt.com>
	<49333.66.11.179.72.1236861953.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
Message-ID: <5165D170-1D9A-4FEA-980F-4404A62430E3@batuhanbozkurt.com>

You have one of those latest unibody macbook pros right? If so, in  
these models hd is user servicable, and so I don't think it will void  
your warranty (this was not the case with the older models). The drive  
is under the battery cover near the battery. And the instructions for  
removing and replacing it are under the battery cover plate.

BB.


On Mar 12, 2009, at 2:45 PM, i8u wrote:

> it is a FUJITSU MHW2160BHPL 160G,
>
> i found out last night that this drive
> is notoriously problematic.
>
> one idea is now to upgrade to a seagate as hey
> seem to be quiet.
>
> if i do so, i wa told i will lose my warranty
> but that it will be re instated if i re-install the original drive
> if i av a problem with the laptop, other than the drive.
>
> anyone ever done this before ?
>
> i8u
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I really don't really know what their specs are but I also have a
>> unibody mbp and the hd runs disturbingly quiet.
>>
>> The system profiler says its a "Hitachi HTS543225L9SA02"...
>> Is it the same drive?
>>
>> BB.
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:57 PM, i8u wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> hello,
>>>
>>> i have a problem i hope someone can shed some light on.
>>>
>>> i recently (1 month) bought a 15,4 last generation
>>> macbookpro, refurbished.
>>>
>>> i hear what i believe to be a noisy drive,
>>> i went to mac and they said it is within normal
>>> specs.
>>>
>>> anyone had the same problem ?
>>>
>>> my work being of minimal nature, i find it difficult
>>> to make abstraction of this recurring sound
>>>
>>> any ideas?
>>>
>>> best
>>>
>>> i8u
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                     - 33
>>> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>>>
>>>
>>> www.i8u.com
>>>
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>
>
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>
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From ytbmusic at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 16:57:04 2009
From: ytbmusic at gmail.com (ytbmusic at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:57:04 -0700
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <5165D170-1D9A-4FEA-980F-4404A62430E3@batuhanbozkurt.com>
References: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
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I think he has a previous generation machine.  But that is actually really
cool about the new laptop models; being able to take the old drive out
without voiding the warranty.  Also it being easy to do so.  It was one of
the bad points of the older models.  If only it had firewire 400 I could
hook up my audio interface and my external 800 drive and I'd be happy.
Maybe I could daisy chain my interface off the back of my external 800
drive?  hmm...


On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Batuhan Bozkurt <batuhan at batuhanbozkurt.com
> wrote:

> You have one of those latest unibody macbook pros right? If so, in
> these models hd is user servicable, and so I don't think it will void
> your warranty (this was not the case with the older models). The drive
> is under the battery cover near the battery. And the instructions for
> removing and replacing it are under the battery cover plate.
>
> BB.
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2009, at 2:45 PM, i8u wrote:
>
> > it is a FUJITSU MHW2160BHPL 160G,
> >
> > i found out last night that this drive
> > is notoriously problematic.
> >
> > one idea is now to upgrade to a seagate as hey
> > seem to be quiet.
> >
> > if i do so, i wa told i will lose my warranty
> > but that it will be re instated if i re-install the original drive
> > if i av a problem with the laptop, other than the drive.
> >
> > anyone ever done this before ?
> >
> > i8u
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I really don't really know what their specs are but I also have a
> >> unibody mbp and the hd runs disturbingly quiet.
> >>
> >> The system profiler says its a "Hitachi HTS543225L9SA02"...
> >> Is it the same drive?
> >>
> >> BB.
> >>
> >> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:57 PM, i8u wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> hello,
> >>>
> >>> i have a problem i hope someone can shed some light on.
> >>>
> >>> i recently (1 month) bought a 15,4 last generation
> >>> macbookpro, refurbished.
> >>>
> >>> i hear what i believe to be a noisy drive,
> >>> i went to mac and they said it is within normal
> >>> specs.
> >>>
> >>> anyone had the same problem ?
> >>>
> >>> my work being of minimal nature, i find it difficult
> >>> to make abstraction of this recurring sound
> >>>
> >>> any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> best
> >>>
> >>> i8u
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>                     - 33
> >>> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> www.i8u.com
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> microsound mailing list
> >>> microsound at microsound.org
> >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> microsound mailing list
> >> microsound at microsound.org
> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                      - 33
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> >
> >
> > www.i8u.com
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> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
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From muse at i8u.com  Thu Mar 12 17:03:57 2009
From: muse at i8u.com (i8u)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:03:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <5165D170-1D9A-4FEA-980F-4404A62430E3@batuhanbozkurt.com>
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no,

i have the latest generation macbook pro, before the new ones came out.
and it's a refurbished.

when i spoke with apple last night, they were not helpful.
they said basically, return the computer, we will exchange it
for one with the same specs (i: same drive) or if no laptop is available,
they would refund me.

when i asked if i could upgrade to a seagate drive, which is known to be
quiet, they told me i would lose my apple care coverage.

the apple store in Montreal would not change the drive as well as they
considered the noise level normal.

i am considering upgrading to a seagate 320, researching now,
to find out if this is the best i can do.

returning the laptop or a refund is not an option really since everything
else is fine with it, i am hard at work on an album, i can't stop mid
stream and wait 2 weeks for another laptop or worse get a refund and no
laptop.

if anyone has info regarding seagate drive, i would be grateful.

thanks

i8u (france)
> You have one of those latest unibody macbook pros right? If so, in
> these models hd is user servicable, and so I don't think it will void
> your warranty (this was not the case with the older models). The drive
> is under the battery cover near the battery. And the instructions for
> removing and replacing it are under the battery cover plate.
>
> BB.
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2009, at 2:45 PM, i8u wrote:
>
>> it is a FUJITSU MHW2160BHPL 160G,
>>
>> i found out last night that this drive
>> is notoriously problematic.
>>
>> one idea is now to upgrade to a seagate as hey
>> seem to be quiet.
>>
>> if i do so, i wa told i will lose my warranty
>> but that it will be re instated if i re-install the original drive
>> if i av a problem with the laptop, other than the drive.
>>
>> anyone ever done this before ?
>>
>> i8u
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I really don't really know what their specs are but I also have a
>>> unibody mbp and the hd runs disturbingly quiet.
>>>
>>> The system profiler says its a "Hitachi HTS543225L9SA02"...
>>> Is it the same drive?
>>>
>>> BB.
>>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:57 PM, i8u wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> hello,
>>>>
>>>> i have a problem i hope someone can shed some light on.
>>>>
>>>> i recently (1 month) bought a 15,4 last generation
>>>> macbookpro, refurbished.
>>>>
>>>> i hear what i believe to be a noisy drive,
>>>> i went to mac and they said it is within normal
>>>> specs.
>>>>
>>>> anyone had the same problem ?
>>>>
>>>> my work being of minimal nature, i find it difficult
>>>> to make abstraction of this recurring sound
>>>>
>>>> any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> best
>>>>
>>>> i8u
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     - 33
>>>> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> www.i8u.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> microsound mailing list
>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                      - 33
>> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>>
>>
>> www.i8u.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
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>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
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From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Thu Mar 12 17:09:38 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:09:38 -0700
Subject: [microsound] reminder
Message-ID: <E0B602D9-95D6-42EF-A50C-0FAF1D614A53@anechoicmedia.com>

people with no ID3 tags for their Pi Day 2009 pieces will have them  
taken down tomorrow night
if they are not fixed before then
this is the last warning


From muse at i8u.com  Thu Mar 12 17:12:37 2009
From: muse at i8u.com (i8u)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:12:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
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thanks for the input,

any thoughts about seagate 320, 5400 or 7200,
i assume the 7200 may be louder, will this be a problem
for me as my work is minimal?

i8u (france)


> I did.  Replacing the hard drive on a mac laptop was super hard for me.
> They are not made to be opened easily.  I would say that if you plan on
> running your apple care out without buying another 3 years to maybe go for
> it.  Pray that you don't break your computer in the process.  That being
> said, it might actually be a better idea to buy a backup drive and backup
> often and just wait for the computer to break.  Then renew apple care
> since
> you have a newer laptop.  Apple care is your friend and apple laptops need
> it.  They will fix anything that breaks no questions.  I had the
> motherboard
> and the keyboard replaced twice on mine.  I'll buy a pc laptop next
> time...
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:45 AM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:
>
>> it is a FUJITSU MHW2160BHPL 160G,
>>
>> i found out last night that this drive
>> is notoriously problematic.
>>
>> one idea is now to upgrade to a seagate as hey
>> seem to be quiet.
>>
>> if i do so, i wa told i will lose my warranty
>> but that it will be re instated if i re-install the original drive
>> if i av a problem with the laptop, other than the drive.
>>
>> anyone ever done this before ?
>>
>> i8u
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I really don't really know what their specs are but I also have a
>> > unibody mbp and the hd runs disturbingly quiet.
>> >
>> > The system profiler says its a "Hitachi HTS543225L9SA02"...
>> > Is it the same drive?
>> >
>> > BB.
>> >
>> > On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:57 PM, i8u wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> hello,
>> >>
>> >> i have a problem i hope someone can shed some light on.
>> >>
>> >> i recently (1 month) bought a 15,4 last generation
>> >> macbookpro, refurbished.
>> >>
>> >> i hear what i believe to be a noisy drive,
>> >> i went to mac and they said it is within normal
>> >> specs.
>> >>
>> >> anyone had the same problem ?
>> >>
>> >> my work being of minimal nature, i find it difficult
>> >> to make abstraction of this recurring sound
>> >>
>> >> any ideas?
>> >>
>> >> best
>> >>
>> >> i8u
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>                      - 33
>> >> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> www.i8u.com
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> microsound mailing list
>> >> microsound at microsound.org
>> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > microsound mailing list
>> > microsound at microsound.org
>> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                      - 33
>> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>>
>>
>> www.i8u.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
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From muse at i8u.com  Thu Mar 12 17:14:21 2009
From: muse at i8u.com (i8u)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:14:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <cbdce88e0903111648p7f9c6c97vd7910795ffecae27@mail.gmail.com>
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sure why not? something to remember it by!

> You're going to record it for our collection of hard drive noises right? :
> )
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From ytbmusic at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 17:28:24 2009
From: ytbmusic at gmail.com (ytbmusic at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:28:24 -0700
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
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I put a 7200 seagate in mine and it's faster now.  I couldn't say by how
much though.  On both drives I could run like 50 tracks of audio with
plugins and mastering on the buss.  I would say instead of replacing the
drive, buy a large external firewire 800 drive and make it bootable.  This
way you have a backup drive, something you'll need anyway if you want
insurance on your music, you get to keep your apple care which you will need
for something else at some point, and if your drive does crash you can just
run your computer off your bootable external backup.  Trust me, this is easy
to set up and probably your best route.

check out this website for great deals on quality external drives / ram /
whatever you need for your mac

http://www.macsales.com/

Making a drive bootable can easily be done using the disks that came with
your mac.  Whole thing done and running in less than an hour...  and yes the
7200 internal will be louder.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:

> sure why not? something to remember it by!
>
> > You're going to record it for our collection of hard drive noises right?
> :
> > )
> > _______________________________________________
> > microsound mailing list
> > microsound at microsound.org
> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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From muse at i8u.com  Thu Mar 12 18:54:55 2009
From: muse at i8u.com (i8u)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:54:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
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it does sound like a good alternative indeed,

regarding bootable external drive,

any latency issues related to this whether in the studio or in a live
context?


> I put a 7200 seagate in mine and it's faster now.  I couldn't say by how
> much though.  On both drives I could run like 50 tracks of audio with
> plugins and mastering on the buss.  I would say instead of replacing the
> drive, buy a large external firewire 800 drive and make it bootable.  This
> way you have a backup drive, something you'll need anyway if you want
> insurance on your music, you get to keep your apple care which you will
> need
> for something else at some point, and if your drive does crash you can
> just
> run your computer off your bootable external backup.  Trust me, this is
> easy
> to set up and probably your best route.
>
> check out this website for great deals on quality external drives / ram /
> whatever you need for your mac
>
> http://www.macsales.com/
>
> Making a drive bootable can easily be done using the disks that came with
> your mac.  Whole thing done and running in less than an hour...  and yes
> the
> 7200 internal will be louder.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:
>
>> sure why not? something to remember it by!
>>
>> > You're going to record it for our collection of hard drive noises
>> right?
>> :
>> > )
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > microsound mailing list
>> > microsound at microsound.org
>> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                      - 33
>> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>>
>>
>> www.i8u.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
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From ytbmusic at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 20:04:00 2009
From: ytbmusic at gmail.com (ytbmusic at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:04:00 -0700
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
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i often run off an external firewire 400 5400rpm drive and ive had no issues
running 20 or so tracks with plugins and mastering.  so id think that a 7200
firewire 800 drive would prob work even better.  alot of people actually run
their sessions off of external drives so that the computers hard drive is
freed up and dedicated to running the software, while the audio files are
actually being read off of the external drive.  when i started doing this it
really made my whole system alot faster.

i guess the way i see it is, if your serious about making music you need to
have some kind of backup for your work.  so might as well make that drive
bootable.  then if this problem you're having gets serious, you can boot
from your backup and continue to work until you have the time to take your
computer to the apple store.

i wish id have done it this way but i was not a technically minded about
such things then.



On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:

> it does sound like a good alternative indeed,
>
> regarding bootable external drive,
>
> any latency issues related to this whether in the studio or in a live
> context?
>
>
> > I put a 7200 seagate in mine and it's faster now.  I couldn't say by how
> > much though.  On both drives I could run like 50 tracks of audio with
> > plugins and mastering on the buss.  I would say instead of replacing the
> > drive, buy a large external firewire 800 drive and make it bootable.
>  This
> > way you have a backup drive, something you'll need anyway if you want
> > insurance on your music, you get to keep your apple care which you will
> > need
> > for something else at some point, and if your drive does crash you can
> > just
> > run your computer off your bootable external backup.  Trust me, this is
> > easy
> > to set up and probably your best route.
> >
> > check out this website for great deals on quality external drives / ram /
> > whatever you need for your mac
> >
> > http://www.macsales.com/
> >
> > Making a drive bootable can easily be done using the disks that came with
> > your mac.  Whole thing done and running in less than an hour...  and yes
> > the
> > 7200 internal will be louder.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:
> >
> >> sure why not? something to remember it by!
> >>
> >> > You're going to record it for our collection of hard drive noises
> >> right?
> >> :
> >> > )
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> > microsound at microsound.org
> >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                      - 33
> >> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
> >>
> >>
> >> www.i8u.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> microsound mailing list
> >> microsound at microsound.org
> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > microsound mailing list
> > microsound at microsound.org
> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                      - 33
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>
>
> www.i8u.com
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From muse at i8u.com  Thu Mar 12 21:31:50 2009
From: muse at i8u.com (i8u)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:31:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <e6ed5a4f0903121704v19365f9cqf9dbe3f95a7ce9c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<11345592-E7F0-498E-AD8E-F70AB698DEB8@batuhanbozkurt.com>
	<e6ed5a4f0903111621x268f0af5w1e6410ea28ff52ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<cbdce88e0903111648p7f9c6c97vd7910795ffecae27@mail.gmail.com>
	<49805.66.11.179.72.1236892461.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<e6ed5a4f0903121428n30432e84s9bd7aeb792feda7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<49502.66.11.179.72.1236898495.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<e6ed5a4f0903121704v19365f9cqf9dbe3f95a7ce9c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49678.66.11.179.72.1236907910.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>

yes, i understand,

i do like your idea of running of an external drive.

it does solve 2 of my problems, noise and apple care.

i would not do this to backups as i have a good 3 way system.

this will strictly be to ensure i can program sounds and work
without hearing the actuator arm move across the platter.


thank you for your insight

i8u (france)


> i often run off an external firewire 400 5400rpm drive and ive had no
> issues
> running 20 or so tracks with plugins and mastering.  so id think that a
> 7200
> firewire 800 drive would prob work even better.  alot of people actually
> run
> their sessions off of external drives so that the computers hard drive is
> freed up and dedicated to running the software, while the audio files are
> actually being read off of the external drive.  when i started doing this
> it
> really made my whole system alot faster.
>
> i guess the way i see it is, if your serious about making music you need
> to
> have some kind of backup for your work.  so might as well make that drive
> bootable.  then if this problem you're having gets serious, you can boot
> from your backup and continue to work until you have the time to take your
> computer to the apple store.
>
> i wish id have done it this way but i was not a technically minded about
> such things then.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:
>
>> it does sound like a good alternative indeed,
>>
>> regarding bootable external drive,
>>
>> any latency issues related to this whether in the studio or in a live
>> context?
>>
>>
>> > I put a 7200 seagate in mine and it's faster now.  I couldn't say by
>> how
>> > much though.  On both drives I could run like 50 tracks of audio with
>> > plugins and mastering on the buss.  I would say instead of replacing
>> the
>> > drive, buy a large external firewire 800 drive and make it bootable.
>>  This
>> > way you have a backup drive, something you'll need anyway if you want
>> > insurance on your music, you get to keep your apple care which you
>> will
>> > need
>> > for something else at some point, and if your drive does crash you can
>> > just
>> > run your computer off your bootable external backup.  Trust me, this
>> is
>> > easy
>> > to set up and probably your best route.
>> >
>> > check out this website for great deals on quality external drives /
>> ram /
>> > whatever you need for your mac
>> >
>> > http://www.macsales.com/
>> >
>> > Making a drive bootable can easily be done using the disks that came
>> with
>> > your mac.  Whole thing done and running in less than an hour...  and
>> yes
>> > the
>> > 7200 internal will be louder.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> sure why not? something to remember it by!
>> >>
>> >> > You're going to record it for our collection of hard drive noises
>> >> right?
>> >> :
>> >> > )
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > microsound mailing list
>> >> > microsound at microsound.org
>> >> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>                      - 33
>> >> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> www.i8u.com
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> microsound mailing list
>> >> microsound at microsound.org
>> >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > microsound mailing list
>> > microsound at microsound.org
>> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                      - 33
>> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>>
>>
>> www.i8u.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 01:11:00 2009
From: gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com (gerardo figueroa)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:11:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] ***mp3 ID3 tags redux***
Message-ID: <821051.85436.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


> It drives me nuts to have files on my Sansa with no artist,
> no title, no album, no year, no nothing. They scroll by on
> randomize, and I'm like, "Wow, this is a great
> peice, whose is it?", and the answer is, "Who the
> hell knows, it's called
> 'track4-rendered.mp3'!". Alas, most of the
> stuff out on the internets seems to be missing tags.
> 
> -ken


i discovered ID3 tags by mere chance a year or so ago, downloading material thru slsk. i still use the last win98se-compatible winamp version, and, on that particular ocassion, i noticed that the titles of an old, out-of-catalog 1971 chilean lp didn't match. then i observed the "wiew file info" command and bingo!: there they were...

so maybe our fellow musical friends don't know them either...


gerardo figueroa rodr?guez
gfr broadcasting system
http://www.geocities.com/gerardofigueroacl/bs
http://gfrbroadcastingsystem.blogspot.com/


      

From steinbruchel at synchron.ch  Fri Mar 13 04:23:20 2009
From: steinbruchel at synchron.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?B?c3RlaW5icvxjaGVs?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:23:20 +0100
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <49678.66.11.179.72.1236907910.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
Message-ID: <C5DFD688.A671%steinbruchel@synchron.ch>

> this will strictly be to ensure i can program sounds and work
> without hearing the actuator arm move across the platter.

exactly the reason why i also work on external drives. just the programms
and system are on the internal harddrive. all the streaming etc. is coming
from the external drive which is stuffed somewhere away from the working
place.

this is probably the best solution for your problem.
good luck, ralph.
 
> thank you for your insight
> 
> i8u (france)
> 
> 
>> i often run off an external firewire 400 5400rpm drive and ive had no
>> issues
>> running 20 or so tracks with plugins and mastering.  so id think that a
>> 7200
>> firewire 800 drive would prob work even better.  alot of people actually
>> run
>> their sessions off of external drives so that the computers hard drive is
>> freed up and dedicated to running the software, while the audio files are
>> actually being read off of the external drive.  when i started doing this
>> it
>> really made my whole system alot faster.
>> 
>> i guess the way i see it is, if your serious about making music you need
>> to
>> have some kind of backup for your work.  so might as well make that drive
>> bootable.  then if this problem you're having gets serious, you can boot
>> from your backup and continue to work until you have the time to take your
>> computer to the apple store.
>> 
>> i wish id have done it this way but i was not a technically minded about
>> such things then.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> it does sound like a good alternative indeed,
>>> 
>>> regarding bootable external drive,
>>> 
>>> any latency issues related to this whether in the studio or in a live
>>> context?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I put a 7200 seagate in mine and it's faster now.  I couldn't say by
>>> how
>>>> much though.  On both drives I could run like 50 tracks of audio with
>>>> plugins and mastering on the buss.  I would say instead of replacing
>>> the
>>>> drive, buy a large external firewire 800 drive and make it bootable.
>>>  This
>>>> way you have a backup drive, something you'll need anyway if you want
>>>> insurance on your music, you get to keep your apple care which you
>>> will
>>>> need
>>>> for something else at some point, and if your drive does crash you can
>>>> just
>>>> run your computer off your bootable external backup.  Trust me, this
>>> is
>>>> easy
>>>> to set up and probably your best route.
>>>> 
>>>> check out this website for great deals on quality external drives /
>>> ram /
>>>> whatever you need for your mac
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.macsales.com/
>>>> 
>>>> Making a drive bootable can easily be done using the disks that came
>>> with
>>>> your mac.  Whole thing done and running in less than an hour...  and
>>> yes
>>>> the
>>>> 7200 internal will be louder.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> sure why not? something to remember it by!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> You're going to record it for our collection of hard drive noises
>>>>> right?
>>>>> :
>>>>>> )
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>                      - 33
>>>>> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> www.i8u.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>                      - 33
>>> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>>> 
>>> 
>>> www.i8u.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> microsound mailing list
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>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> www.i8u.com
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From eduardoacosta at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 08:04:39 2009
From: eduardoacosta at gmail.com (Eduardo)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:04:39 +0100
Subject: [microsound] Id3 tags
Message-ID: <326C9D96-23F9-42CD-B4E7-5A3D15D975F4@gmail.com>




Sorry,

Im not able to tag correctly my mp3.
I try the libs and tools kim gave but
I cant.

If any pi microsounder wants to help me i would be very pleassed. Tag  
for me (my piece is called "Mobilpine") or show me a free easy tag  
tool on mac.

Thanks in advance!!

Eduardo

From paulo.mouat at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 08:39:54 2009
From: paulo.mouat at gmail.com (Paulo Mouat)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:39:54 -0400
Subject: [microsound] Id3 tags
In-Reply-To: <326C9D96-23F9-42CD-B4E7-5A3D15D975F4@gmail.com>
References: <326C9D96-23F9-42CD-B4E7-5A3D15D975F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424ce300903130539m4aab43d7r104479f460dfa1d1@mail.gmail.com>

Doesn't iTunes tag the files properly if you do a "Get Info" on them
and type the Artist/Song/etc info and apply it?

//p
http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Eduardo <eduardoacosta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sorry,
>
> Im not able to tag correctly my mp3.
> I try the libs and tools kim gave but
> I cant.
>
> If any pi microsounder wants to help me i would be very pleassed. Tag
> for me (my piece is called "Mobilpine") or show me a free easy tag
> tool on mac.
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
> Eduardo
> _______________________________________________
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From eduardoacosta at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 09:27:35 2009
From: eduardoacosta at gmail.com (Eduardo Acosta)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:27:35 +0100
Subject: [microsound] Id3 tags
In-Reply-To: <424ce300903130539m4aab43d7r104479f460dfa1d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <326C9D96-23F9-42CD-B4E7-5A3D15D975F4@gmail.com>
	<424ce300903130539m4aab43d7r104479f460dfa1d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d0ec1d60903130627r60c44f62ma2c0dcf8fb231e38@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Paulo,

I have tried in itunes before, but did not  work   when i was
trying to apply the v1 version.

I have reuploaded another one, i think its OK.
I think was a personal mistake, sorry.

Thank you very much, very plessed!
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From eduardoacosta at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 09:29:43 2009
From: eduardoacosta at gmail.com (Eduardo Acosta)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:29:43 +0100
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day - "MobilPine" reuploaded
Message-ID: <9d0ec1d60903130629j29304e39y438b496e411cd8d0@mail.gmail.com>

I think that it is with correct Version of ID3, (v1)
"MobilPine" is generated with mobil phone tones and then processed with pi
values.


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From listekutusu at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 09:38:00 2009
From: listekutusu at gmail.com (Korhan Erel)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:38:00 +0200
Subject: [microsound] skype for live audio collaborations?
In-Reply-To: <93D384A7-9C26-4E37-B9D2-7A15F6B54838@gmail.com>
References: <aa0f71fc0903100919oc14f7dcu4faa5a2b57c0e063@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7637880-88EC-4FE6-9531-4379A9059155@gmail.com>
	<00E43A63-0B3C-44A6-9D3E-A0BB4C5D59A1@batuhanbozkurt.com>
	<68087AE7-3948-4B9A-A765-224CDC503FEE@gmail.com>
	<93D384A7-9C26-4E37-B9D2-7A15F6B54838@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <443C4B3F-6411-46FE-B9ED-4E48B2805FD6@gmail.com>

Great! How many hours behind is New Mexico from here? 8?

On 12.Mar.2009, at 00:14, Kevin Paul wrote:

Hi Korhan.  I'll be ready to try this with you as soon as I get
through this weekends performances!

--
Kevin


On Mar 11, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Korhan Erel wrote:

> Hey Batuhan!
>
> The sound quality was poor in the way regular phone conversations are.
> And we accepted that poor quality as a part of the performance. Since
> the audience in Berlin was hearing the clarinet live, a band-limited
> computer signal was quite livable. I haven't yet received the
> recording of the concert but the clarinet player, Markus Wenninger,
> told me after the show that my timing was very good and the
> combination of computer and clarinet was very good. This means the
> sound wasn't bad at all and the latency was also quite low.
>
> I don't think Skype uses this new codec yet, does it?
>
> Korhan
>
> On 11.Mar.2009, at 23:43, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:
>
>> Hi Korhan, I was going to ask what you used to stream audio for that
>> performance but now that I know you used Skype, let me ask; was it
>> running with this new codec or the standard one? I'm not exactly sure
>> what type of compression it uses but we were using skype with jack
>> under linux with my friend for performance rehearsals (pieces were
>> not
>> calling for absolute syncing of course) it was fine but the sound
>> quality was poor (that was more than a year ago so I assume it was
>> the
>> old codec). I'm eager to see this new stuff in action...
>>
>> BB.
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Korhan Erel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've recently played a concert with a clarinet player in Berlin over
>>> Skype from Istanbul. The latency was liveable and the result was
>>> surprisingly good.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Korhan Erel
>>>
>>> On 10.Mar.2009, at 18:19, tkrakowiak wrote:
>>>
>>>> it might be possible with their new codec:
>>>>
>>>> https://developer.skype.com/silk
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> microsound mailing list
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>>>
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From listekutusu at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 09:39:50 2009
From: listekutusu at gmail.com (Korhan Erel)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:39:50 +0200
Subject: [microsound] skype for live audio collaborations?
In-Reply-To: <F5C401BA-37FE-4B65-835A-7C253B2AD6F4@blackhole-factory.de>
References: <BLU0-SMTP4200216817308D7BA40BA0CF9F0@phx.gbl>
	<F5C401BA-37FE-4B65-835A-7C253B2AD6F4@blackhole-factory.de>
Message-ID: <AEEC13DD-F629-4BB3-8645-913A0FFFD428@gmail.com>

Unfortunately I cannot provide an exact data on latency. However,  
while we were speaking over the same connection, there was no  
noticable delay, like one sometimes encounters in international calls  
over normal phone connections.



On 12.Mar.2009, at 15:35, Martin Slawig wrote:

Last month we used nicecast streaming server, freeware from http://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/ 
  for a performance together with noiseborder-ensemble from windsor,  
canada. We had a delay from 2-3 sec. So I will check out the tube plug- 
in.

martin

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Am 12.03.2009 um 13:15 schrieb michael trommer:
We (io media in toronto) recently did a show involving an on-line  
performance with zen lu in shenzhen, china. We used the t-u-b-e  
freeware plug-in...sound quality was very good, though the delay was  
about 1-2 seconds.

http://www.t-u-b-e.de/


On 3/11/09 5:32 PM, "Korhan Erel" <listekutusu at gmail.com> wrote:

 > Hi,
 >
 > I've recently played a concert with a clarinet player in Berlin over
 > Skype from Istanbul. The latency was liveable and the result was
 > surprisingly good.
 >
 > Best,
 >
 > Korhan Erel
 >
 > On 10.Mar.2009, at 18:19, tkrakowiak wrote:
 >
 >> it might be possible with their new codec:
 >>
 >> https://developer.skype.com/silk
 >> _______________________________________________
 >> microsound mailing list
 >> microsound at microsound.org
 >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
 >
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 >
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From dfkettle at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 09:42:31 2009
From: dfkettle at gmail.com (David)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:42:31 -0400
Subject: [microsound] Id3 tags
Message-ID: <ca74b7060903130642g3eebd3f9u31e81ea526a821f3@mail.gmail.com>

Try Audacity, it's cross-platform (Windows, Mac and Unix/Linux) and free.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

David.

From chazen at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 10:41:53 2009
From: chazen at gmail.com (Charlie DeTar)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:41:53 -0400
Subject: [microsound] Id3 tags
In-Reply-To: <ca74b7060903130642g3eebd3f9u31e81ea526a821f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca74b7060903130642g3eebd3f9u31e81ea526a821f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49BA70B1.8070508@gmail.com>

David wrote:
> Try Audacity, it's cross-platform (Windows, Mac and Unix/Linux) and free.
> 
> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
> 
> David.

Hi David,

In my testing, Audacity did not produce ID3 tags compatible with the
repository.  I suspect that it uses v2 tags instead of the required v1 tags.

-charlie

From picnet at urlme.net  Fri Mar 13 10:49:33 2009
From: picnet at urlme.net (Mike)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:49:33 +0200
Subject: [microsound] Id3 tags
In-Reply-To: <9d0ec1d60903130627r60c44f62ma2c0dcf8fb231e38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <326C9D96-23F9-42CD-B4E7-5A3D15D975F4@gmail.com>
	<424ce300903130539m4aab43d7r104479f460dfa1d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<9d0ec1d60903130627r60c44f62ma2c0dcf8fb231e38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51C34B5D-9383-4C86-94F2-78591A75E205@urlme.net>

Add your mp3 to itunes, search for the name or otherwise locate it,
then use the menu and "Convert ID3 tags" (at least on mac os x) -
choose V1.0, close the dialog.

Your mp3 is now using V1 tags and should work on the repository
after you have uploaded / replaced it.

thats how I converted mine which was originally saved via Audacity
/linux.

-Mike.

On Mar 13, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Eduardo Acosta wrote:

>
>
> Thanks Paulo,
>
> I have tried in itunes before, but did not  work   when i was
> trying to apply the v1 version.
>
> I have reuploaded another one, i think its OK.
> I think was a personal mistake, sorry.
>
> Thank you very much, very plessed!
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From dfkettle at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 10:52:24 2009
From: dfkettle at gmail.com (David)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:52:24 -0400
Subject: [microsound] microsound Digest, Vol 3, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12058.1236955325.3925.microsound@or8.net>
References: <mailman.12058.1236955325.3925.microsound@or8.net>
Message-ID: <ca74b7060903130752v6e1ad0c7gbbb1759665f618de@mail.gmail.com>

Which version of Audacity did you try? I believe that in the stable
version (1.2.26) you have a choice of v1or v2 tags. The beta version
(1.3.x) may not give you a choice, but I'll have to confirm that. I
should also point out that you need to download and install the "lame"
MP3 encoder, it's not included with Audacity, although there's a link
to another site where you can download it.

David.

> From: Charlie DeTar <chazen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] Id3 tags
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Message-ID: <49BA70B1.8070508 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> David wrote:
>> Try Audacity, it's cross-platform (Windows, Mac and Unix/Linux) and free.
>>
>> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> David.
>
> Hi David,
>
> In my testing, Audacity did not produce ID3 tags compatible with the
> repository. ?I suspect that it uses v2 tags instead of the required v1 tags.
>
> -charlie
>
>

From eduardoacosta at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 10:54:31 2009
From: eduardoacosta at gmail.com (Eduardo Acosta)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:54:31 +0100
Subject: [microsound] Id3 tags
In-Reply-To: <51C34B5D-9383-4C86-94F2-78591A75E205@urlme.net>
References: <326C9D96-23F9-42CD-B4E7-5A3D15D975F4@gmail.com>
	<424ce300903130539m4aab43d7r104479f460dfa1d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<9d0ec1d60903130627r60c44f62ma2c0dcf8fb231e38@mail.gmail.com>
	<51C34B5D-9383-4C86-94F2-78591A75E205@urlme.net>
Message-ID: <9d0ec1d60903130754q1027ca9kb3304027600ffff1@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all!

It seems to work via Itunes, waiting for Kim exam...!!
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From chazen at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 10:56:50 2009
From: chazen at gmail.com (Charlie DeTar)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:56:50 -0400
Subject: [microsound] microsound Digest, Vol 3, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <ca74b7060903130752v6e1ad0c7gbbb1759665f618de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.12058.1236955325.3925.microsound@or8.net>
	<ca74b7060903130752v6e1ad0c7gbbb1759665f618de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49BA7432.6070301@gmail.com>

1.3.5.  It appears the choice of ID3 version was removed for the 1.3 branch:

http://audacityteam.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2494&start=10#p30851

-charlie

David wrote:
> Which version of Audacity did you try? I believe that in the stable
> version (1.2.26) you have a choice of v1or v2 tags. The beta version
> (1.3.x) may not give you a choice, but I'll have to confirm that. I
> should also point out that you need to download and install the "lame"
> MP3 encoder, it's not included with Audacity, although there's a link
> to another site where you can download it.
> 
> David.
> 
>> From: Charlie DeTar <chazen at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [microsound] Id3 tags
>> To: microsound at microsound.org
>> Message-ID: <49BA70B1.8070508 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> David wrote:
>>> Try Audacity, it's cross-platform (Windows, Mac and Unix/Linux) and free.
>>>
>>> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
>>>
>>> David.
>> Hi David,
>>
>> In my testing, Audacity did not produce ID3 tags compatible with the
>> repository.  I suspect that it uses v2 tags instead of the required v1 tags.
>>
>> -charlie
>>
>>


From muse at i8u.com  Fri Mar 13 11:20:05 2009
From: muse at i8u.com (i8u)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:20:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <C5DFD688.A671%steinbruchel@synchron.ch>
References: <49678.66.11.179.72.1236907910.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<C5DFD688.A671%steinbruchel@synchron.ch>
Message-ID: <49478.66.11.179.72.1236957605.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>

forgive my lack of knowledge here,


if  i understand all that has been said,
does it mean i could  set up another os on the external
drive which would then be solely dedicated to music and boot up
in this drive to work on music ?

which i believe may make things quieter,

or, if i run the software from the laptop
and access my files from the drive,
do i still have the same noise problem?

and given than either way i go, it seems
an external drive will solve my problem,
any feedback on drives, which ones are quieter than others
and also, which ones "travel" better.

thanks again

i8u

>> this will strictly be to ensure i can program sounds and work
>> without hearing the actuator arm move across the platter.
>
> exactly the reason why i also work on external drives. just the programms
> and system are on the internal harddrive. all the streaming etc. is coming
> from the external drive which is stuffed somewhere away from the working
> place.
>
> this is probably the best solution for your problem.
> good luck, ralph.
>
>> thank you for your insight
>>
>> i8u (france)
>>
>>
>>> i often run off an external firewire 400 5400rpm drive and ive had no
>>> issues
>>> running 20 or so tracks with plugins and mastering.  so id think that a
>>> 7200
>>> firewire 800 drive would prob work even better.  alot of people
>>> actually
>>> run
>>> their sessions off of external drives so that the computers hard drive
>>> is
>>> freed up and dedicated to running the software, while the audio files
>>> are
>>> actually being read off of the external drive.  when i started doing
>>> this
>>> it
>>> really made my whole system alot faster.
>>>
>>> i guess the way i see it is, if your serious about making music you
>>> need
>>> to
>>> have some kind of backup for your work.  so might as well make that
>>> drive
>>> bootable.  then if this problem you're having gets serious, you can
>>> boot
>>> from your backup and continue to work until you have the time to take
>>> your
>>> computer to the apple store.
>>>
>>> i wish id have done it this way but i was not a technically minded
>>> about
>>> such things then.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> it does sound like a good alternative indeed,
>>>>
>>>> regarding bootable external drive,
>>>>
>>>> any latency issues related to this whether in the studio or in a live
>>>> context?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I put a 7200 seagate in mine and it's faster now.  I couldn't say by
>>>> how
>>>>> much though.  On both drives I could run like 50 tracks of audio with
>>>>> plugins and mastering on the buss.  I would say instead of replacing
>>>> the
>>>>> drive, buy a large external firewire 800 drive and make it bootable.
>>>>  This
>>>>> way you have a backup drive, something you'll need anyway if you want
>>>>> insurance on your music, you get to keep your apple care which you
>>>> will
>>>>> need
>>>>> for something else at some point, and if your drive does crash you
>>>>> can
>>>>> just
>>>>> run your computer off your bootable external backup.  Trust me, this
>>>> is
>>>>> easy
>>>>> to set up and probably your best route.
>>>>>
>>>>> check out this website for great deals on quality external drives /
>>>> ram /
>>>>> whatever you need for your mac
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.macsales.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Making a drive bootable can easily be done using the disks that came
>>>> with
>>>>> your mac.  Whole thing done and running in less than an hour...  and
>>>> yes
>>>>> the
>>>>> 7200 internal will be louder.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> sure why not? something to remember it by!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're going to record it for our collection of hard drive noises
>>>>>> right?
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.i8u.com
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> www.i8u.com
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> www.i8u.com
>>
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From dfkettle at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 12:42:33 2009
From: dfkettle at gmail.com (David)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:42:33 -0400
Subject: [microsound] microsound Digest, Vol 3, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <49BA7432.6070301@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.12058.1236955325.3925.microsound@or8.net>
	<ca74b7060903130752v6e1ad0c7gbbb1759665f618de@mail.gmail.com>
	<49BA7432.6070301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca74b7060903130942i8abe593p1d5a02550414ee17@mail.gmail.com>

Did you try the command-line utility that comes with the lame MP3 encoder?

http://lame.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/lame/lame/USAGE

For example,

> lame --id3v1-only <input file> <output file>

David.


On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Charlie DeTar <chazen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 1.3.5. ?It appears the choice of ID3 version was removed for the 1.3 branch:
>
> http://audacityteam.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2494&start=10#p30851
>
> -charlie
>
> David wrote:
>> Which version of Audacity did you try? I believe that in the stable
>> version (1.2.26) you have a choice of v1or v2 tags. The beta version
>> (1.3.x) may not give you a choice, but I'll have to confirm that. I
>> should also point out that you need to download and install the "lame"
>> MP3 encoder, it's not included with Audacity, although there's a link
>> to another site where you can download it.
>>
>> David.
>>
>>> From: Charlie DeTar <chazen at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [microsound] Id3 tags
>>> To: microsound at microsound.org
>>> Message-ID: <49BA70B1.8070508 at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>> David wrote:
>>>> Try Audacity, it's cross-platform (Windows, Mac and Unix/Linux) and free.
>>>>
>>>> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> In my testing, Audacity did not produce ID3 tags compatible with the
>>> repository. ?I suspect that it uses v2 tags instead of the required v1 tags.
>>>
>>> -charlie
>>>
>>>
>
>

From picnet at urlme.net  Fri Mar 13 13:25:48 2009
From: picnet at urlme.net (Mike)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:25:48 +0200
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <49478.66.11.179.72.1236957605.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
References: <49678.66.11.179.72.1236907910.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<C5DFD688.A671%steinbruchel@synchron.ch>
	<49478.66.11.179.72.1236957605.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
Message-ID: <7DDFFD11-6A50-4036-8381-3F4E765DC760@urlme.net>

Hi,
     Interesting discussion, how much space do you
need ? Consider also Solid State Drives = No noise & fast.
External via drive bay or internal / sata.

cons: price per gb...

Example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233075

-M.


On Mar 13, 2009, at 5:20 PM, i8u wrote:

> forgive my lack of knowledge here,
>
>
> if  i understand all that has been said,
> does it mean i could  set up another os on the external
> drive which would then be solely dedicated to music and boot up
> in this drive to work on music ?
>
> which i believe may make things quieter,
>
> or, if i run the software from the laptop
> and access my files from the drive,
> do i still have the same noise problem?
>
> and given than either way i go, it seems
> an external drive will solve my problem,
> any feedback on drives, which ones are quieter than others
> and also, which ones "travel" better.
>
> thanks again
>
> i8u


From muse at i8u.com  Fri Mar 13 17:38:09 2009
From: muse at i8u.com (i8u)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:38:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <7DDFFD11-6A50-4036-8381-3F4E765DC760@urlme.net>
References: <49678.66.11.179.72.1236907910.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<C5DFD688.A671%steinbruchel@synchron.ch>
	<49478.66.11.179.72.1236957605.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<7DDFFD11-6A50-4036-8381-3F4E765DC760@urlme.net>
Message-ID: <49742.66.11.179.72.1236980289.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>

hi,

not much as i have a drive dedicated to time machine,
i back up on a server as well as dvd for small projects.

this would be strictly for music.

thanks again for everyone's input,
tips and links, it is very useful
as i am in unknown territory.

best

i8u
> Hi,
>      Interesting discussion, how much space do you
> need ? Consider also Solid State Drives = No noise & fast.
> External via drive bay or internal / sata.
>
> cons: price per gb...
>
> Example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233075
>
> -M.
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2009, at 5:20 PM, i8u wrote:
>
>> forgive my lack of knowledge here,
>>
>>
>> if  i understand all that has been said,
>> does it mean i could  set up another os on the external
>> drive which would then be solely dedicated to music and boot up
>> in this drive to work on music ?
>>
>> which i believe may make things quieter,
>>
>> or, if i run the software from the laptop
>> and access my files from the drive,
>> do i still have the same noise problem?
>>
>> and given than either way i go, it seems
>> an external drive will solve my problem,
>> any feedback on drives, which ones are quieter than others
>> and also, which ones "travel" better.
>>
>> thanks again
>>
>> i8u
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>









                      - 33
NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm


www.i8u.com


From ytbmusic at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 21:43:49 2009
From: ytbmusic at gmail.com (ytbmusic at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:43:49 -0700
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <49742.66.11.179.72.1236980289.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
References: <49678.66.11.179.72.1236907910.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<C5DFD688.A671%steinbruchel@synchron.ch>
	<49478.66.11.179.72.1236957605.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<7DDFFD11-6A50-4036-8381-3F4E765DC760@urlme.net>
	<49742.66.11.179.72.1236980289.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
Message-ID: <e6ed5a4f0903131843m3afbedf3t444bd8f0fcdc9770@mail.gmail.com>

If you already have a backup system then the drive you are buying would be
only for an external bootable os option in case of disaster, and to hold all
of your samples/session files for your music.  you would not be running off
this drive for music only.  the idea is that the programs and the os are
being run off your internal hard drive while the sessions and audio are
being run from an external drive.  this way your internal drive doesnt have
to deal with running the software, os, as well as reading all the audio data
for your session.

as far as making your room quiet from hard drive noise, i notice that when i
do actually run my whole computer off an external drive that it is less
noisey than when im running off the internal drive.  however, i still have a
spereate drive from this one that holds my samples/session files.  hopefully
its all clear to you now.


On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:38 PM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:

> hi,
>
> not much as i have a drive dedicated to time machine,
> i back up on a server as well as dvd for small projects.
>
> this would be strictly for music.
>
> thanks again for everyone's input,
> tips and links, it is very useful
> as i am in unknown territory.
>
> best
>
> i8u
> > Hi,
> >      Interesting discussion, how much space do you
> > need ? Consider also Solid State Drives = No noise & fast.
> > External via drive bay or internal / sata.
> >
> > cons: price per gb...
> >
> > Example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233075
> >
> > -M.
> >
> >
> > On Mar 13, 2009, at 5:20 PM, i8u wrote:
> >
> >> forgive my lack of knowledge here,
> >>
> >>
> >> if  i understand all that has been said,
> >> does it mean i could  set up another os on the external
> >> drive which would then be solely dedicated to music and boot up
> >> in this drive to work on music ?
> >>
> >> which i believe may make things quieter,
> >>
> >> or, if i run the software from the laptop
> >> and access my files from the drive,
> >> do i still have the same noise problem?
> >>
> >> and given than either way i go, it seems
> >> an external drive will solve my problem,
> >> any feedback on drives, which ones are quieter than others
> >> and also, which ones "travel" better.
> >>
> >> thanks again
> >>
> >> i8u
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > microsound mailing list
> > microsound at microsound.org
> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                       - 33
> NOW OUT on ROOM40:  10    cm
>
>
> www.i8u.com
>
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From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Sat Mar 14 03:32:38 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:32:38 -0700
Subject: [microsound] Happy Pi Day 2009!
Message-ID: <38A9705B-C7B1-422D-B6C7-AEA82F775305@anechoicmedia.com>

to all microsounders
imagine where we'd all be without pi




From js0000 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 10:27:51 2009
From: js0000 at gmail.com (john saylor)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:27:51 -0400
Subject: [microsound] Happy Pi Day 2009!
In-Reply-To: <38A9705B-C7B1-422D-B6C7-AEA82F775305@anechoicmedia.com>
References: <38A9705B-C7B1-422D-B6C7-AEA82F775305@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <eb84d37a0903140727y576b1f85waf9c1f5d044f6efe@mail.gmail.com>

pi puzzles please p

-- 
\js  [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ]

From paulo.mouat at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 10:41:17 2009
From: paulo.mouat at gmail.com (Paulo Mouat)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:41:17 -0400
Subject: [microsound] Happy Pi Day 2009!
In-Reply-To: <eb84d37a0903140727y576b1f85waf9c1f5d044f6efe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <38A9705B-C7B1-422D-B6C7-AEA82F775305@anechoicmedia.com>
	<eb84d37a0903140727y576b1f85waf9c1f5d044f6efe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424ce300903140741q706c84afia8586d95a171f2bb@mail.gmail.com>

Not a puzzle, but very funny:

http://mightywombat.com/oldtoon.php?year=2007&id=297

//p
http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0

On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:27 AM, john saylor <js0000 at gmail.com> wrote:
> pi puzzles please p
>
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From ken at restivo.org  Sat Mar 14 23:34:26 2009
From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:34:26 -0700
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <49805.66.11.179.72.1236892461.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
References: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<11345592-E7F0-498E-AD8E-F70AB698DEB8@batuhanbozkurt.com>
	<e6ed5a4f0903111621x268f0af5w1e6410ea28ff52ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<cbdce88e0903111648p7f9c6c97vd7910795ffecae27@mail.gmail.com>
	<49805.66.11.179.72.1236892461.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
Message-ID: <20090315033426.GA21842@aieee.restivo.org>

There's a collection of hard drive noises?

Link?

I'm sure I could contribute some, though the noisest drives I had are now long gone.

-ken
------------
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 05:14:21PM -0400, i8u wrote:
> sure why not? something to remember it by!
> 
> > You're going to record it for our collection of hard drive noises right? :
> > )
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> > microsound at microsound.org
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>                       - 33
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> 
> www.i8u.com
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From picnet at urlme.net  Sun Mar 15 04:34:20 2009
From: picnet at urlme.net (Mike)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:34:20 +0200
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <20090315033426.GA21842@aieee.restivo.org>
References: <50212.66.11.179.72.1236808623.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<11345592-E7F0-498E-AD8E-F70AB698DEB8@batuhanbozkurt.com>
	<e6ed5a4f0903111621x268f0af5w1e6410ea28ff52ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<cbdce88e0903111648p7f9c6c97vd7910795ffecae27@mail.gmail.com>
	<49805.66.11.179.72.1236892461.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<20090315033426.GA21842@aieee.restivo.org>
Message-ID: <48DE76C4-C01A-466A-A33A-518CBEC1D66A@urlme.net>

http://www.urlme.net/blog/?p=738

A very dead Lacie 1TB disk trying to spin up :-/

On Mar 15, 2009, at 5:34 AM, Ken Restivo wrote:

> There's a collection of hard drive noises?
>
> Link?
>
> I'm sure I could contribute some, though the noisest drives I had  
> are now long gone.
>
> -ken
> ------------
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 05:14:21PM -0400, i8u wrote:
>> sure why not? something to remember it by!
>>
>>> You're going to record it for our collection of hard drive noises  
>>> right? :
>>> )
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> microsound mailing list
>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>
>>

From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Mon Mar 16 13:00:01 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:00:01 -0700
Subject: [microsound] ID3 tags redux reduxii
Message-ID: <5A1B630C-475D-4528-A96C-81651E48BD13@anechoicmedia.com>

Paulo has generously offered to fix all the missing ID3 tags in the  
Pi Day mp3 files

in the future though, any piece submitted to a project will be  
deleted if the ID3 tags haven't been fixed within 24 hours


From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Mon Mar 16 13:07:42 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:07:42 -0700
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
Message-ID: <993F6306-0A45-41A4-A567-16B62289E36C@anechoicmedia.com>

there was a post w/r/t hard drive noises a while back
search the archives and maybe you'll locate it...?


From craque at craque.net  Mon Mar 16 14:06:07 2009
From: craque at craque.net (CraqueMat)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:06:07 -0700
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <993F6306-0A45-41A4-A567-16B62289E36C@anechoicmedia.com>
References: <993F6306-0A45-41A4-A567-16B62289E36C@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <49BE950F.3010107@craque.net>

http://datacent.com/hard_drive_sounds.php

Kim Cascone wrote:
> there was a post w/r/t hard drive noises a while back
> search the archives and maybe you'll locate it...?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound

From aherrick at pacbell.net  Mon Mar 16 14:15:31 2009
From: aherrick at pacbell.net (aherrick at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:15:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] ID3 tags redux reduxii
In-Reply-To: <5A1B630C-475D-4528-A96C-81651E48BD13@anechoicmedia.com>
Message-ID: <920068.41793.qm@web83607.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I'll update the graphics file to include the fixed titles as well this evening.

--- On Mon, 3/16/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
Subject: [microsound] ID3 tags redux reduxii
To: microsound at microsound.org
Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 10:00 AM

Paulo has generously offered to fix all the missing ID3 tags in the  
Pi Day mp3 files

in the future though, any piece submitted to a project will be  
deleted if the ID3 tags haven't been fixed within 24 hours

_______________________________________________
microsound mailing list
microsound at microsound.org
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From muse at i8u.com  Mon Mar 16 15:11:44 2009
From: muse at i8u.com (i8u)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:11:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <49BE950F.3010107@craque.net>
References: <993F6306-0A45-41A4-A567-16B62289E36C@anechoicmedia.com>
	<49BE950F.3010107@craque.net>
Message-ID: <50290.66.11.179.72.1237230704.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>

thanks, this is great.

> http://datacent.com/hard_drive_sounds.php
>
> Kim Cascone wrote:
>> there was a post w/r/t hard drive noises a while back
>> search the archives and maybe you'll locate it...?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>









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www.i8u.com


From phonurgia at wanadoo.fr  Tue Mar 17 05:59:48 2009
From: phonurgia at wanadoo.fr (Phonurgia Nova)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:59:48 +0100
Subject: [microsound] phonurgia nova awards)))
Message-ID: <97603B15-7736-48D2-B4D3-BCB520599E18@wanadoo.fr>

AWARD WINNERS PHONURGIA NOVA

The Phonurgia Nova competition is a land of acoustic discovery: an  
international event which rallies sound and radio artists from all  
over the world.  In 2008, 289 productions from 20 different countries  
were entered, and 36 of those were selected for an award. The jury  
was open, for the very first time, to the general public, and its  
president, producer Daniel Deshays, underlined that this competition  
became ?a genuine sound art observatory and not a conservatory?.

An environment that left no room for those formulated recipes that  
categorize sounds, no prefabricated assessments, just attentive ears  
and thought provoking debates. As usual, many called but few chosen?

Andreas BICK (Germany), win the first radio and sound art prize with  
Fire Pattern - Frost Pattern. Produced by Deutschlandradio Kultur  
2007 (2 x 26 min.) (Endowment: 3 000 euros awarded by the SACD)

Andreas Bick?s work distinguishes itself by the remarkable sound  
recording quality. Coming within reach of the phenomenon?s he wants  
to evoke (sublimation of water, fire, frost, the crackling of ice),  
he derives from it a powerful acoustic substance. These two works  
place the listener in the position of a serene observer mesmerized by  
all these natural processes.

Bernadette JOHNSON (Switzerland), win the second radio and sound art  
prize with Summer Fragments (5 min.) (Endowment: 1 500 euros, awarded  
by the SACEM)

Bernadette Johnson has had multiple nominations at the Phonurgia Nova  
Competition but this is the first time she wins a prize. Her work is  
characterized by an exploration  -and a successful articulation- of  
interiority. The sophisticated and bold editing work, the choice of  
sounds and their treatment, enable the author to flesh out an echo- 
form, a magnificent metaphor of the memory, an instable assembly of  
recollections.

LISTENING TO THEM

The two winners have been invited by RADIO CAMPUS PARIS during 2  
nights of free broadcasting. You can discover their univers and  
listen to their playlist on the website of our partner

Bernadette JOHNSON

http://www.radiocampusparis.org/?p=6050

Andreas BICK

http://www.radiocampusparis.org/?p=6018


No prize awarded in the ?New media/ interdisciplinary media?  
category, but the jury was unanimous in awarding 2 distinctions:


Christoph KORN and Lasse-Marc RIEK (Germany) for their album of  
chosen silences...

This small book is a conceptual proposal, pointing pages after pages,  
towards a location, an event, enabling the reader to reflect and  
imagine the sounds ?that are taking place?. The silence as a void, as  
a manifestation, as a pointer to a disappearance, as an ?apparition?.

Laura MALACART (UK/Italy), for her film, Voicings.

By asking English-speaking actors to read immigrants testimonies  
about their language learning process, Voicings manages to generate a  
whole array of interpretations in a very short time span and with  
very simple means. This illustration from which the scar (the limited  
command of the language) has been expunged is an invitation to  
tolerance and compassion.



3 residencies have been given to  Erick BULLOT, Allessandro BOSETTI  
and Nicole MARMET. The 3 authors have the opportunity to developp new  
sound projects in 2009 in our 3 studios partners INA-GRM (Paris),  
IMEB (Bourges) and GMVL (Lyon).



We warmely thank the 289 candidates for their attending !



More info : www.phonurgia.org
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From cyborgk at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 14:47:49 2009
From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:47:49 -0500
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <50290.66.11.179.72.1237230704.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
References: <993F6306-0A45-41A4-A567-16B62289E36C@anechoicmedia.com>
	<49BE950F.3010107@craque.net>
	<50290.66.11.179.72.1237230704.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
Message-ID: <686ba4e40903171147w31eb9e5cq5114a483f67c1709@mail.gmail.com>

Anywhere there's a collection like this that can be downloaded?
~David

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:11 PM, i8u <muse at i8u.com> wrote:
> thanks, this is great.
>
>> http://datacent.com/hard_drive_sounds.php
>>
>> Kim Cascone wrote:
>>> there was a post w/r/t hard drive noises a while back
>>> search the archives and maybe you'll locate it...?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> microsound mailing list
>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> www.i8u.com
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From chazen at gmail.com  Tue Mar 17 14:53:30 2009
From: chazen at gmail.com (Charlie DeTar)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:53:30 -0400
Subject: [microsound] noisy hard drive on mac
In-Reply-To: <686ba4e40903171147w31eb9e5cq5114a483f67c1709@mail.gmail.com>
References: <993F6306-0A45-41A4-A567-16B62289E36C@anechoicmedia.com>	<49BE950F.3010107@craque.net>	<50290.66.11.179.72.1237230704.squirrel@www.mmpandora.com>
	<686ba4e40903171147w31eb9e5cq5114a483f67c1709@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49BFF1AA.1000202@gmail.com>

David Powers wrote:
> Anywhere there's a collection like this that can be downloaded?
> ~David
>

According to comments embedded in the HTML of that page:

"If you want to use these sounds in your music (yes, we have received
lots of requests already) - no problem, but please contact us first."

You can download all sounds in one zip file from
http://datacent.com/sounds/sounds.zip

-charlie

From kim at anechoicmedia.com  Wed Mar 18 13:12:20 2009
From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:12:20 -0700
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day kudos
Message-ID: <3422C313-6560-4AF8-BF90-90E52B07E9B9@anechoicmedia.com>

I wanted to give shout outs to Alan for the wonderful Pi Day graphics
and to Paulo/John for fixing the code that parses the ID3 tags

its the amazing team-work that makes the microsound community what it is
thanks to everyone for a great Pi Day project page



From pure at test.at  Wed Mar 18 15:47:48 2009
From: pure at test.at (pure)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:47:48 +0100
Subject: [microsound] max/msp/jitter projects
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-W556FFF0B7A6D573B7C9975FDA10@phx.gbl>
References: <5D6893E1-F9B1-491E-BF81-2FB3C0CF61B4@anechoicmedia.com>	<3BF78D3F-CE3A-4355-A749-90C005695584@craque.net>
	<BAY109-W556FFF0B7A6D573B7C9975FDA10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49C14FE4.8090306@test.at>

The Heart Chamber Orchestra - HCO - is an audiovisual performance. The 
orchestra consists of 12 classical musicians and the artist duo 
TERMINALBEACH.

Using their heartbeats, the musicians control a computer composition and 
visualization environment. The musical score is generated in real time 
by the heartbeats of the musicians. They read and play this score from a 
computer screen placed in front of them.

more at http://www.heartchamberorchestra.org/

best
p

steffen scholl wrote:
>
> hello, i m writing my phd about Max/MSP/Jitter and i m looking for 
> interesting projects realized with this "autor-sytem" in the domain of 
> ?live-electronic-music...
>
> thanks in advance,
> steffen
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Du glaubst, TIC TAC TOE zu kennen? Spiel es im Messenger in 3D! 
> <http://redirect.gimas.net/?n=M0903IMTicTacToe>
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http://www.heartchamberorchestra.org
http://www.trblnc.org



From brighton.david at ntlworld.com  Thu Mar 19 08:28:55 2009
From: brighton.david at ntlworld.com (David Perkins)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:28:55 +0000
Subject: [microsound] Pond Life
Message-ID: <A33EC59D-1AB9-4342-B292-CB4E08D8A359@ntlworld.com>

Everyone,

Thank you for the suggestions as to the composer of Pond Life - my  
query threw up some interesting new music to investigate. Sadly none  
of the pieces/composers were what I was hoping to find.

I would still love to know who composed Pond Life - for once the  
internet hasn't been helpful for me :o(

Kind regards,

David Perkins

From trommer at sympatico.ca  Thu Mar 19 10:30:04 2009
From: trommer at sympatico.ca (trommer at sympatico.ca)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:30:04 +0000
Subject: [microsound] Pond Life
In-Reply-To: <A33EC59D-1AB9-4342-B292-CB4E08D8A359@ntlworld.com>
References: <A33EC59D-1AB9-4342-B292-CB4E08D8A359@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-W6C4CD4C2B39719681B911CF960@phx.gbl>


this is a bit of a shot in the dark, but you wouldn't happen to mean david tudor's 'rainforest', would you ?
 
> From: brighton.david at ntlworld.com
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:28:55 +0000
> Subject: [microsound] Pond Life
> 
> Everyone,
> 
> Thank you for the suggestions as to the composer of Pond Life - my 
> query threw up some interesting new music to investigate. Sadly none 
> of the pieces/composers were what I was hoping to find.
> 
> I would still love to know who composed Pond Life - for once the 
> internet hasn't been helpful for me :o(
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Perkins
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
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From dimitridf at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 19 10:33:37 2009
From: dimitridf at yahoo.com (Dimitri della Faille)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:33:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] Pond Life
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-W6C4CD4C2B39719681B911CF960@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <781328.95167.qm@web57001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


> > I would still love to know who composed Pond Life -
> > for once the internet hasn't been helpful for me :o(

Don't you mean Pond by Tod Dockstader & David Lee Myers? It's a great album. It is available on eMusic.

Dimitri





      D?couvrez les photos les plus int?ressantes du jour.
http://www.flickr.com/explore/interesting/7days/

From catsed at libero.it  Thu Mar 19 10:46:20 2009
From: catsed at libero.it (catsed at libero.it)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:46:20 +0100
Subject: [microsound] Pond Life
Message-ID: <KGRD18$50FD32585F47D5E9BC88BE74B5745E09@libero.it>

can't remember if it had been already mentioned, it could be from the album "shards from a future utopia" by george cremaschi (on rastascan label)...
other composers have tracks with this title: tim hecker, thom brennan, michael brook, woob.
cheers.
nic

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Date      : Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:28:55 +0000
Subject : [microsound] Pond Life







> Everyone,
> 
> Thank you for the suggestions as to the composer of Pond Life - my  
> query threw up some interesting new music to investigate. Sadly none  
> of the pieces/composers were what I was hoping to find.
> 
> I would still love to know who composed Pond Life - for once the  
> internet hasn't been helpful for me :o(
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Perkins
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> 


From brighton.david at ntlworld.com  Thu Mar 19 11:19:45 2009
From: brighton.david at ntlworld.com (David Perkins)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:19:45 +0000
Subject: [microsound] Live coding
Message-ID: <DA5AC776-BC9F-475A-AC7F-FF7C631047FE@ntlworld.com>

Hello everyone again,

I recently came across some examples of live-coding performances for  
piano and was very impressed:

http://is.gd/o0rb

and

http://is.gd/o0uv

Does anybody know of any live-coding examples from composers working  
in the microsound field?

I'm guessing that some of this might come from those working with  
Supercollider as their programming environment.

David Perkins
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From artheist at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 11:53:27 2009
From: artheist at gmail.com (Sylvain)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:53:27 +0100
Subject: [microsound] Live coding
In-Reply-To: <DA5AC776-BC9F-475A-AC7F-FF7C631047FE@ntlworld.com>
References: <DA5AC776-BC9F-475A-AC7F-FF7C631047FE@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <49C26A77.7020205@gmail.com>

David Perkins a ?crit :
> Hello everyone again,
>
> I recently came across some examples of live-coding performances for 
> piano and was very impressed:
>
> http://is.gd/o0rb
>
> and
>
> http://is.gd/o0uv
These were done with Impromptu, but as you point it out, I guess you 
knew it.
>
> Does anybody know of any live-coding examples from composers working 
> in the microsound field? 
>
> I'm guessing that some of this might come from those working with 
> Supercollider as their programming environment.
Yes, and yes. Have a look at Powerbooks Unplugged website : 
http://pbup.goto10.org/
Might have some others to digg on www.toplap.org

Cheers

S.
>
> David Perkins
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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>   


From bsoisoi at me.com  Thu Mar 19 11:58:16 2009
From: bsoisoi at me.com (bsoisoi)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:58:16 -0400
Subject: [microsound] Live coding
In-Reply-To: <962408423.1172236348024.JavaMail.wow@cxp-bp08>
References: <962408423.1172236348024.JavaMail.wow@cxp-bp08>
Message-ID: <95966029916225834508400893531081391758-Webmail@me.com>

Hi David,

Here's representing the Puredata users out there!  Most of my DSP code is in Pd, and the event logic is generated by various means in Perl or Lua.

Sorry, the code is not yet available for public inspection...

~Brandon
 
On Thursday, March 19, 2009, at 11:19AM, "David Perkins" <brighton.david at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Hello everyone again,
>
>I recently came across some examples of live-coding performances for  
>piano and was very impressed:
>
>http://is.gd/o0rb
>
>and
>
>http://is.gd/o0uv
>
>Does anybody know of any live-coding examples from composers working  
>in the microsound field?
>
>I'm guessing that some of this might come from those working with  
>Supercollider as their programming environment.
>
>David Perkins

From michaelbeijer at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 17:02:31 2009
From: michaelbeijer at gmail.com (Michael Beijer)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:02:31 +0100
Subject: [microsound] Oval - Markus Pop- WHERE THE HELL IS HE???
Message-ID: <836981290903191402o3d8fae33pe4c7fae4cfde0d99@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know where he is or what he is doing? After 'So,' TOTAL SILENCE.
the guy can't even be googled.
Oval's music was my introduction to glitch, etc.
I also saw Microstoria live in Amsterdam


any info????


Michael
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From arno at emd.pl  Thu Mar 19 17:14:48 2009
From: arno at emd.pl (Artur Nowak)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:14:48 +0100
Subject: [microsound] Oval - Markus Pop- WHERE THE HELL IS HE???
In-Reply-To: <836981290903191402o3d8fae33pe4c7fae4cfde0d99@mail.gmail.com>
References: <836981290903191402o3d8fae33pe4c7fae4cfde0d99@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <496af19e0903191414s232af48aqc2693d0df51a4ec8@mail.gmail.com>

I spoke with Markus after his concert in Cologne in late 2007. He said that
he doesn't have anything new to present to the audience, therefore he is
silent. But he is working on something, what may or may not materialize. He
is still using same old "Microstoria" setup (laptop + Waldorf), which is now
10 years old.

He is busy with his "Siberian" cat, which likes to walk out when it's cold,
and leaves the windows open, so he is freezing... Or busy with conversations
with his 60+ old neighbors.

The audience on the concert was about 10 people, which is a shame for
Cologne.

Cheers!
Artur

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Michael Beijer <michaelbeijer at gmail.com>wrote:

> Does anyone know where he is or what he is doing? After 'So,' TOTAL
> SILENCE. the guy can't even be googled.
> Oval's music was my introduction to glitch, etc.
> I also saw Microstoria live in Amsterdam
>
>
> any info????
>
>
> Michael
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From arno at emd.pl  Thu Mar 19 17:14:48 2009
From: arno at emd.pl (Artur Nowak)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:14:48 +0100
Subject: [microsound] Oval - Markus Pop- WHERE THE HELL IS HE???
In-Reply-To: <836981290903191402o3d8fae33pe4c7fae4cfde0d99@mail.gmail.com>
References: <836981290903191402o3d8fae33pe4c7fae4cfde0d99@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <496af19e0903191414s232af48aqc2693d0df51a4ec8@mail.gmail.com>

I spoke with Markus after his concert in Cologne in late 2007. He said that
he doesn't have anything new to present to the audience, therefore he is
silent. But he is working on something, what may or may not materialize. He
is still using same old "Microstoria" setup (laptop + Waldorf), which is now
10 years old.

He is busy with his "Siberian" cat, which likes to walk out when it's cold,
and leaves the windows open, so he is freezing... Or busy with conversations
with his 60+ old neighbors.

The audience on the concert was about 10 people, which is a shame for
Cologne.

Cheers!
Artur

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Michael Beijer <michaelbeijer at gmail.com>wrote:

> Does anyone know where he is or what he is doing? After 'So,' TOTAL
> SILENCE. the guy can't even be googled.
> Oval's music was my introduction to glitch, etc.
> I also saw Microstoria live in Amsterdam
>
>
> any info????
>
>
> Michael
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
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From pavementsands at googlemail.com  Fri Mar 20 09:22:32 2009
From: pavementsands at googlemail.com (Daniel Bennett)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:22:32 +0000
Subject: [microsound] Clearing out Protools Session Backups
Message-ID: <ff7744b20903200622k6028bfdp5d1490026393881e@mail.gmail.com>

I figure some of you guys must have come up against the issue too, so
I'd be really grateful if anybody knows a tidy/quick solution -
Protools saves loads of mid-session backups, which is great, but
becomes a bit of a pain to keep on top of. I'm looking for a script
(or similar) to keep a watch on all the protools session backup
folders on our file system and periodically clear out all files over a
certain age (say over 7 days old).

Anybody got any ideas?

From gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 21 13:48:14 2009
From: gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com (gerardo figueroa)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:48:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [microsound] Pi Day kudos
Message-ID: <776377.39641.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


quite agree ;)

here's to everyone, guys - salud!


gerardo figueroa rodr?guez
gfr broadcasting system
http://www.geocities.com/gerardofigueroacl/bs
http://gfrbroadcastingsystem.blogspot.com/


--- On Wed, 3/18/09, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:

> From: Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
> Subject: [microsound] Pi Day kudos
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:12 PM
> I wanted to give shout outs to Alan
> for the wonderful Pi Day graphics
> and to Paulo/John for fixing the code that parses the ID3
> tags
> 
> its the amazing team-work that makes the microsound
> community what it is
> thanks to everyone for a great Pi Day project page
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
> 


      

From marinos at agxivatein.com  Sun Mar 22 09:52:20 2009
From: marinos at agxivatein.com (Marinos Koutsomichalis)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:52:20 +0000
Subject: [microsound] real time sonogram/freq analyser
Message-ID: <F697F7A3-7895-4493-8141-5881CF6F8902@agxivatein.com>


Anybody knows any real time sonogram/freq analyser software that would
demonstrate a visualization of all output sound on a mac ???

Sth like spectra-foo maybe but cheeper or better free.......

From azimuths at freenet.co.uk  Sun Mar 22 10:00:23 2009
From: azimuths at freenet.co.uk (Thanos Chrysakis)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:00:23 -0000
Subject: [microsound] real time sonogram/freq analyser
In-Reply-To: <F697F7A3-7895-4493-8141-5881CF6F8902@agxivatein.com>
Message-ID: <B0113921989@thmailsite3.services.byworkwise.com>



>
>
>Anybody knows any real time sonogram/freq analyser software that would
>demonstrate a visualization of all output sound on a mac ???
>
>Sth like spectra-foo maybe but cheeper or better free.......

<http://www.unc.edu/~rhwiley/wildspectra/>


Thanos


From catsed at libero.it  Mon Mar 30 14:41:06 2009
From: catsed at libero.it (nicola catalano)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:41:06 +0200
Subject: [microsound] test, please ignore
In-Reply-To: <97603B15-7736-48D2-B4D3-BCB520599E18@wanadoo.fr>
References: <97603B15-7736-48D2-B4D3-BCB520599E18@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <a06240800c5f6c2aa681e@[151.49.92.213]>

test, please ignore

From j.m.duarte.r at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 16:37:59 2009
From: j.m.duarte.r at gmail.com (Joao Ricardo)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:37:59 +0100
Subject: [microsound] Oval - Markus Pop- WHERE THE HELL IS HE???
Message-ID: <8925530d0903301337s2a990068r1ac1bbabdf1168c4@mail.gmail.com>

He played in Madeira last December.Here's a link about the festival:
http://www.digitalinberlin.de/madeira/madeiraDIG.htm

-- 
http://ocp.pt.vu
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From listekutusu at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 14:32:10 2009
From: listekutusu at gmail.com (Korhan Erel)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:32:10 +0300
Subject: [microsound] Oval - Markus Pop- WHERE THE HELL IS HE???
In-Reply-To: <496af19e0903191414s232af48aqc2693d0df51a4ec8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <836981290903191402o3d8fae33pe4c7fae4cfde0d99@mail.gmail.com>
	<496af19e0903191414s232af48aqc2693d0df51a4ec8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A8C0EAC0-18DB-4AA7-AC00-08F129D4373C@gmail.com>

Hi!

Oval will play with Pan Sonic at Bimhuis in Amsterdam on April 4th.  
Here's the link to the Facebook event:

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=56396949658

Korhan

On 19.Mar.2009, at 23:14, Artur Nowak wrote:

I spoke with Markus after his concert in Cologne in late 2007. He said  
that he doesn't have anything new to present to the audience,  
therefore he is silent. But he is working on something, what may or  
may not materialize. He is still using same old "Microstoria" setup  
(laptop + Waldorf), which is now 10 years old.

He is busy with his "Siberian" cat, which likes to walk out when it's  
cold, and leaves the windows open, so he is freezing... Or busy with  
conversations with his 60+ old neighbors.

The audience on the concert was about 10 people, which is a shame for  
Cologne.

Cheers!
Artur

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Michael Beijer <michaelbeijer at gmail.com 
 > wrote:
Does anyone know where he is or what he is doing? After 'So,' TOTAL  
SILENCE. the guy can't even be googled.
Oval's music was my introduction to glitch, etc.
I also saw Microstoria live in Amsterdam


any info????


Michael


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