[microsound] making/erasure

[Sofus Forsberg]

cause it have been so quiet here ....
but great, and thanks alot :D

Paulo Mouat wrote:
> Yes, you are. If you look at the headers, you will see you were
> replying to a message sent to the "new" list, which is also how you
> are receiving this reply. What made you think you were not subscribed
> to it?
>
> //p
> http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Sofus Forsberg <sofus at email.dk> wrote:
>   
>> yes and im not subscribed to the new one :(
>>
>> jeff gburek wrote:
>>     
>>> am i still subscribed to this list...this is a test
>>>
>>> j.ff gbk
>>>
>>> http://www.futurevessel.com/orphansound
>>>
>>> http://www.idiosyncratics.net/netlabel.html
>>>
>>> http://www.con-v.org/online.html
>>>
>>> http://www.djalma.com
>>>
>>> http://www.mattin.org/desetxea.html
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Charles Turner <vze26m98 at optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> From: Charles Turner <vze26m98 at optonline.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [microsound] making/erasure
>>>> To: microsound at microsound.org
>>>> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 3:33 PM
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:37:39 -0500, Stephen Hastings-King
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> 1. the category of aesthetics is a problem. classical
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> aesthetic
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> theory takes the work as given for it's point of
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> departure.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> bourgeois and materialist forms of aesthetic theory
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> differ primarily
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> in the interpretive frameworks they bring to bear on
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> the artwork.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> in both, the processes of making are erased behind the
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> work as
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> totality and are replaced with one or another version
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> of the mythical
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Artist.
>>>>> it seems to me that one of the many conceptual tasks
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> that await
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> us--whatever that means--out there in the world is to
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> undo this
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> category and the constraints that enframe it.
>>>>> this isn't exactly a new idea---lots of folk have
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> addressed it one
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> way or another since the 60s at least--in alot of
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> cases, the way folk
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> went at it was to tack on autobiographical statements
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> after fairly
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> straightforward aesthetic pronouncements.
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Hi Stephen-
>>>>
>>>> I've always found Stefan Morawski's distinction
>>>> between "artistic
>>>> value" and "aesthetic valuation" to be
>>>> useful. (The first chapter of
>>>> his 1974 _Fundamentals_ book sets it out.)
>>>>
>>>> Morawski was trying to justify both an historical
>>>> materialist approach,
>>>> and an aesthetics that could encompass neolithic cave art,
>>>> Poussin, and
>>>> Duchamp/Cage/Fluxus.
>>>>
>>>> Briefly, he posits artistic values as those attributes that
>>>> an artist
>>>> instills in an "object" that cause us to relate
>>>> to it as such. Artistic
>>>> value is then prior to any aesthetic understanding of the
>>>> art object.
>>>> (As he points out, people were making art objects long
>>>> before there was
>>>> any body of aesthetic thought.)
>>>>
>>>> Aesthetics is essentially a judgement of these artistic
>>>> values, and an
>>>> attempt to come to terms with how general and particular
>>>> values
>>>> instilled in art objects come to be significant.
>>>>
>>>> But maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.
>>>>
>>>> Best, Charles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> microsound mailing list
>>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> microsound mailing list
>>> microsound at microsound.org
>>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> microsound mailing list
>> microsound at microsound.org
>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> microsound mailing list
> microsound at microsound.org
> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound
>
> .
>
>