[microsound] microsound Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8

[Marinos Koutsomichalis]

No I am not talking about this (this is a common issue though..)

The point is that cubase, Logic, Dp, Nuedo, Wavelab and Live, the all  
sound different... Ok, since Live 7, the differences may not be so  
clear,
and surely if there is some processing involved (just amplification  
or panning or sth) it is easier to see the differences. Cubase for  
example seem (well at least SX 1) to alter the qualities of the sound  
files when rendering a mixdown, Dp seems to be the more transparent  
of all, Logic is very transparent and so on...
Live is not transparent, it alters sound, it is not linear, and  
especially in older versions this is more than evident. I have to  
admit though that version 7 was a great progress but it still can' t  
compare itself to Logic f.e.

On 20 Ιαν 2009, at 10:35 ΜΜ, CraqueMat wrote:

> Yes, you need to make sure you're not 'quantizing' the
> sound/sample/phrase in Live when you place it.
>
> One of my biggest peeves about Live was the way things sound choppy if
> you don't do this.
>
> David Powers wrote:
>> Are you sure you are playing the soundfile 'unwarped' and raw? Live
>> tends to try and warp files if you just drop them in, which certainly
>> will add artifacts to the sound.
>>
>> Anyway the granular synth engine is in some ways the point, it's  
>> those
>> very artifacts that make it an interesting tool for more experimental
>> or microsound works. You can do an insane amount of repitching and
>> stretching.
>>
>> I like to use Live with Pure Data, as a VST host mostly, sometimes
>> triggering little audio files too. This works nice for generative
>> stuff where I'm not doing raw DSP but just using various synthesizers
>> and fx (raw DSP isn't my forte)...
>>
>> ~David
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Marinos Koutsomichalis
>> <marinos at agxivatein.com> wrote:
>>> I was wandering,
>>>
>>> what about sound ??
>>>
>>> The whole convertation regarding Live focuses on certain features  
>>> and
>>> capabilities of this DAW in comparison with others available. Ok,  
>>> but
>>> what about its sound??
>>>
>>> Just try this: take a soundfile open in with logic, or with DP or
>>> with .. and with Live and just play it back... Do you hear the same
>>> thing ?? I don' t !
>>>
>>> I was curious of what do you think about Live' s engine... Because I
>>> don' t think that (at least up to version 7) it is as good as  
>>> (let' s
>>> see) Logic, DP, cubase, Nuedo, or Wavelab to name a few.... Let  
>>> aside
>>> version 6 ....... Well I have to admit that it is not that bad in
>>> version 7 as in version 6, but when you just want to do some basic
>>> collages or mixing or sth that can easily be done with any of the
>>> aforementioned DAWs, why stick with Live since its sound-engine is
>>> (at least to my ears) inferior ??
>>>
>>> On 20 Ιαν 2009, at 9:02 ΜΜ, Neil Clopton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Graham Miller wrote:
>>>>> there's really no point to using live if
>>>>> you are going to constrain yourself to the arrange window only.
>>>> might as
>>>>> well use logic, etc.  the whole (revolutionary) point of ableton
>>>> is the
>>>>> session view, imho.
>>>>
>>>> Session view is a huge distinguishing feature, but I wouldn't say
>>>> there is no point to the rest of Live.  I use warping from the
>>>> arrangement view all the time.  SFAIK there isn't anything quite
>>>> like warp markers in other software.
>>>>
>>>> -Neil
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