From grahammiller at sympatico.ca Sun Feb 1 03:54:43 2009 From: grahammiller at sympatico.ca (Graham Miller) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 03:54:43 -0500 Subject: [microsound] I am out of the Office In-Reply-To: <20090201040523.8688.qmail@valley-technologies.com> References: <20090201040523.8688.qmail@valley-technologies.com> Message-ID: <141B1E4D-A6EC-4883-89F4-72E90BEFB654@sympatico.ca> must... define... excellence... On 31-Jan-09, at 11:05 PM, barbara at carmelbuilders.com wrote: > Thank you for your email. > > I will be out of the office Thursday afternoon January 29th and > will be returning Monday morning February 2nd. Please feel free to > contact our office at 262-255-2230 for immediate assistance or > leave a message and I will contact you when I return. > > Thank you. > > Barbara Weiher > Carmel Builders, Inc > Design Build Remodel > "Where Excellence Is Defined" > 262-255-2230 > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From mikesweeton at googlemail.com Sun Feb 1 07:03:40 2009 From: mikesweeton at googlemail.com (Michael Sweeton) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:03:40 +0000 Subject: [microsound] Noise Removal Plug-ins In-Reply-To: <9D8639D9-B657-45DB-92A3-37EFCB941B74@earthlink.net> References: <4982429B.3020302@gmail.com> <20090130001113.795138334@mail2.bahnhof.se> <498247BB.7080501@gmail.com> <6517a5220901291626v56d5e846nacc83d7f657622af@mail.gmail.com> <9D8639D9-B657-45DB-92A3-37EFCB941B74@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49858F9C.5010500@gmail.com> I'm doing some sound design for a uni-project and wanted to clean a few files up (clothing movements, footsteps etc..) Thanks for the interesting reply though :) Mike Bill Jarboe wrote: > hello mike, > > -don't know if you're still there or looking (not that I'm terming > you 'noise' or something), Soundhack dynamics is very good , and I'm > fairly sure Tom Erbe has a plugin available which is also probably > effective (I'm a big fan of his software, almost feel unworthy to use > his actual commercial applications , especially since I haven't sent > him a c.d. yet). He has the freesound mailing list, and has been quite > patient answering questions ; my questions being like an airhead with > a lamborghini saying: like , where's the ignition? so, when I turn the > steering wheel clockwise , it goes right , counterclockwise it goes > left , right? > > What's strange is that the freesound list seems mostly empty, > rather like our imaginary airhead trying to get a date , or maybe the > opposite extreme. > > Sorry if this seems slightly wacky, it's saturday night in seattle > and I'm trying to be boring in order to be safe. > > What really concerns me , and I'm not including you in this > criticism, since I've never even heard a 'peep' out of you; is the > over driven , clipped beats. I should really write a review in order > to be polite , yet that doesn't read like a review in my mind , more > of a condemnation, and I still like the music in question. What > troubles me is the 'The orcs are coming , man flesh tonight , pound > you to the bottom of the oil well , throw you out in the street , > finish this skyscraper' relentlessly that I can very easily do without. > > Isn't here a plugin to remove all that? Alternatively I could remove > the beats myself as a business proposition. You could send > questionable tracks to my SoundCloud dropbox ( email me off list ; > don't wish to foist my cloud on anyone) in exchange for reimbursement > via paypal -no , they seemed to have deleted me : hope they didn't > have my idea already and think that I was a beat- maybe it's alright > now , visa , check, money order or contraband - maybe not contraband > , use your discretion please > > I see it like this: the beats , thuds are representing the structure > that made the society , party possible. Instead of being the pathetic > loser at the party , why not remove the party so that you , or the > person who recorded the track- is there a difference, we're open > -minded , socially oriented individuals right?- is all that remains. > > > My words are more effective than a cold shower- I'm sure. > > > > Bill > > > > On Jan 29, 2009, at 4:26 PM, flemming lyst wrote: > >> izotope rx is very good! but very expensive... >> >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Michael Sweeton >> > wrote: >> >> I can't seem to find them, I'm running 10.5.6, maybe they aren't >> included? >> >> Jakob Riis wrote: >> > The AU plugins that comes with the OS are no bad... >> > >> > >> >> does anybody know of any good free/cheap noise removal >> plug-ins for the mac >> >> >> >> thanks in advance >> >> >> >> mike >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From brymoxine at yahoo.com Sun Feb 1 13:06:49 2009 From: brymoxine at yahoo.com (bryan garcia) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:06:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] I am out of the Office In-Reply-To: <141B1E4D-A6EC-4883-89F4-72E90BEFB654@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <908023.30920.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> specializing in the penultimate definition of excellence. --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Graham Miller wrote: > From: Graham Miller > Subject: Re: [microsound] I am out of the Office > To: microsound at microsound.org > Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 2:54 AM > must... define... excellence... > > On 31-Jan-09, at 11:05 PM, barbara at carmelbuilders.com > wrote: > > > Thank you for your email. > > > > I will be out of the office Thursday afternoon January > 29th and > > will be returning Monday morning February 2nd. Please > feel free to > > contact our office at 262-255-2230 for immediate > assistance or > > leave a message and I will contact you when I return. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Barbara Weiher > > Carmel Builders, Inc > > Design Build Remodel > > "Where Excellence Is Defined" > > 262-255-2230 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From ivalladt at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 12:12:35 2009 From: ivalladt at gmail.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:12:35 +0100 Subject: [microsound] revolutionary new ambient sequencer :) In-Reply-To: <39032803-E3B4-445C-9A47-7E0B8E8049FD@sympatico.ca> References: <39032803-E3B4-445C-9A47-7E0B8E8049FD@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Graham Miller wrote: > http://www.possecrewensemble.com/as606/ One-finger ambient at its best! :))) Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.seomarketingtools.org/ http://www.linuxav.net/ t. 0034912519850 m. 0034609884094 (Yoigo) GnuPG key: DE721AF4 Google Talk/Jabber/MSN Messenger: ivalladt at gmail.com Jaiku/Twitter/Skype/Yahoo!: ivalladt AIM/ICQ: 264472328 From palace at guero.sr.unh.edu Mon Feb 2 14:03:37 2009 From: palace at guero.sr.unh.edu (Michael Palace) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:03:37 -0500 Subject: [microsound] RPM Challenge Message-ID: <4491511F83004BD28F6C31092BFFDE8B@toshibauser> I also want to mention this project my small town started a few years ago. http://www.rpmchallenge.com/ basically it is a challenge for people to record an album in the month of FEB. 10 songs or 35 minutes of music. i did it the first two years, got some airplay on our National Public Radio Station. I actually did 4 projects each year (2006, 2007). I skipped 2008. This year I will likely only do one with a guy I know here in town. It is open to the world. First year was local and there were 200 bands. The other years it was open to the world and 800 people completed it. Thought you all might want to give it a go. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090202/b24de606/attachment.htm From kim at anechoicmedia.com Mon Feb 2 16:23:51 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:23:51 -0800 Subject: [microsound] sound art article Message-ID: <223FFC1C-C31F-42B8-BD16-92092714EDA0@anechoicmedia.com> http://geometer.org.uk/mag/?p=81 From billjarboe at earthlink.net Tue Feb 3 11:12:59 2009 From: billjarboe at earthlink.net (Bill Jarboe) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:12:59 -0800 Subject: [microsound] RPM Challenge In-Reply-To: <4491511F83004BD28F6C31092BFFDE8B@toshibauser> References: <4491511F83004BD28F6C31092BFFDE8B@toshibauser> Message-ID: <5AC385CD-F81A-4E8C-819A-E823B6C29A11@earthlink.net> Hi, It took me a long time to fully heavily realize the implications of the concept. At first the link didn't open in any browser , after some hand typing , was rewarded with the cheery message from firefox that I was linking to an application it didn't know how to deal with. Previous to At first I had rather firmly decided that the challenge must exist inherently in having a number of revolutions in a single minute, perhaps resulting in a dissociative or catatonic state (of being , that is ; not a governed state). I imagined then , or at least attempted to imagine that the resulting audio masterwork should then be expanded or stretched thin enough to cover the better portion of 28 days in february. After some careful research (wikipedia) , found that audio cd players read their discs at a constant 150 kB/s and thus must vary the disc's rotational speed from around 500 r/min (actually 8 Hz), when reading at the innermost edge, to 200 r/min (actually 3.5 Hz) at the outer edge. (Modern ultrasonic dental drills can rotate at up to 800,000 r/min (10 kHz).) I couldn't figure out what National Public Radio had to do with anything , then decided the name could be changed to Machinal Public Radio ( machine public radio ?) the initials which are , of course: RPM spelled backwards , making perfect sense since the listener is retrospecting a psychological moment in a much larger sense for an entire month. An improvement; in my opinion , or at least honest (from a non-existent techno-industrial viewpoint). Michael's Palace might also be a lovely name for a radio program. Another idea which wasn't mine; from the http://www.tapeop.com/ message board, was from a guy who planned on recording twenty eight albums during february . He stated that he taught special ed during the day and for that reason his setup , mic positions were going to be quite straightforward. I was thinking he could get his students (special educators) to help with the recordings. What do I know? It's his project , not mine. 'tapeopera' is also a nice magazine title. -hope that I'm not being bothersome Bill On Feb 2, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Michael Palace wrote: > I also want to mention this project my small town started a few > years ago. > > http://www.rpmchallenge.com/ > basically it is a challenge for people to record an album in the > month of > FEB. 10 songs or 35 minutes of music. i did it the first two > years, got > some airplay on our National Public Radio Station. I actually did 4 > projects each year (2006, 2007). I skipped 2008. > > This year I will likely only do one with a guy I know here in > town. It is > open to the world. First year was local and there were 200 bands. > The > other years it was open to the world and 800 people completed it. > Thought > you all might want to give it a go. > > Mike > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From gmihci at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 11:52:24 2009 From: gmihci at gmail.com (Gurkan Mihci) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:52:24 +0200 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5205cbdc0902030852v285e677fodb3b4f2315e99d1d@mail.gmail.com> Yes :) On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- Gurkan Mihci www.gurkanmihci.com From jasonw22 at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 11:56:33 2009 From: jasonw22 at gmail.com (Jason Wehmhoener) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:56:33 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7a37090d0902030856t2cc11cf3sa43690df9aec8b56@mail.gmail.com> yes On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090203/6d231045/attachment.htm From burnett at pobox.com Tue Feb 3 11:53:45 2009 From: burnett at pobox.com (burnett at pobox.com) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:53:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, Kim Cascone wrote: > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people YES Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com From dan at listening-station.net Tue Feb 3 12:04:26 2009 From: dan at listening-station.net (dan) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:04:26 -0700 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <973237B8-E6B0-490F-B5DE-C26FF2F2F08A@listening-station.net> yes. although i said that about the dfw project and i flaked. will have more time for this one though. dan. On Feb 3, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From chazen at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 12:06:06 2009 From: chazen at gmail.com (Charlie DeTar) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:06:06 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4988797E.9050001@gmail.com> yes? Kim Cascone wrote: > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From eduardoacosta at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 12:11:24 2009 From: eduardoacosta at gmail.com (Eduardo Acosta) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:11:24 +0100 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: <4988797E.9050001@gmail.com> References: <4988797E.9050001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d0ec1d60902030911i73b2e517q64b2fba0cc4f84f8@mail.gmail.com> Yes here! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090203/1576c227/attachment.htm From gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 12:11:34 2009 From: gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com (gerardo figueroa) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:11:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <727504.90269.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> hi, everyone saludos desde chile i'm new to the list, is there any info on previous Pi Day projects to check out? - i'd love to say yes gerardo gerardo figueroa rodr?guez gfr broadcasting system http://www.geocities.com/gerardofigueroacl/bs http://gfrbroadcastingsystem.blogspot.com/ --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Kim Cascone wrote: > From: Kim Cascone > Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project > To: microsound at microsound.org > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 11:45 AM > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the > list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From eduardoacosta at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 12:17:37 2009 From: eduardoacosta at gmail.com (Eduardo Acosta) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:17:37 +0100 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: <727504.90269.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <727504.90269.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9d0ec1d60902030917y696999bep6230c96663cf846c@mail.gmail.com> Hola Gerardo y bienvenido, Los previos Pi days los puedes consultar en el repository de microsound site. Un saludo desde Espa?a! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090203/d54f1946/attachment.htm From rlainhart at otownmedia.com Tue Feb 3 12:26:48 2009 From: rlainhart at otownmedia.com (Richard Lainhart) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:26:48 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98DB4CCB-B0FE-4D39-83CF-AD06C3002785@otownmedia.com> Yes! > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? Richard Lainhart http://www.otownmedia.com http://www.downloadplatform.com/richard_lainhart http://www.vimeo.com/rlainhart http://www.youtube.com/rlainhart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes Gary Kim Cascone wrote: > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > From craque at craque.net Tue Feb 3 12:36:55 2009 From: craque at craque.net (CraqueMat) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:36:55 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498880B7.4070109@craque.net> yes Kim Cascone wrote: > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From pavementsands at googlemail.com Tue Feb 3 12:38:50 2009 From: pavementsands at googlemail.com (Daniel Bennett) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:38:50 +0000 Subject: [microsound] Sound Art Article Message-ID: This is from my little mag, thanks for the link Kim :) I hope, in the circumstances it isn't bad ettiquette for me to to say that we're looking to cover more music/sound art in future, and that we're always on the look out for people interested in writing on these subjects. 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Weisberg wrote: > Mmmmm...Pi... > Yes > > Gary > > Kim Cascone wrote: >> anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? >> if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head >> count and decide whether or not we have enough people >> ??? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > ____________________________________ Philippe Jelli ? mutin asbl 140 chauss?e de Haecht ? 1030 Bruxelles philippe at mutin.org www.mutin.org www.discogs.com/User/Fifi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Weisberg wrote: > > Mmmmm...Pi... > Yes > > Gary > > Kim Cascone wrote: > > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > ____________________________________ > Philippe Jelli ? mutin asbl > 140 chauss?e de Haecht ? 1030 Bruxelles > > philippe at mutin.org > www.mutin.org > www.discogs.com/User/Fifi > > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frank "maybe" D' From kim at anechoicmedia.com Tue Feb 3 13:43:47 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:43:47 -0800 Subject: [microsound] projects Message-ID: <6CF4A487-6AAA-407C-9CD9-1215C465EB2F@anechoicmedia.com> ALL previous projects can be found through the microsound web site www.microsound.org From gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 13:47:36 2009 From: gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com (gerardo figueroa) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:47:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] projects In-Reply-To: <6CF4A487-6AAA-407C-9CD9-1215C465EB2F@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <821264.27290.qm@web36906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> checking thanx very much, kim gerardo figueroa rodr?guez gfr broadcasting system http://www.geocities.com/gerardofigueroacl/bs http://gfrbroadcastingsystem.blogspot.com/ --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Kim Cascone wrote: > From: Kim Cascone > Subject: [microsound] projects > To: microsound at microsound.org > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 1:43 PM > ALL previous projects can be found through the microsound > web site > www.microsound.org > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From kim at anechoicmedia.com Tue Feb 3 13:47:56 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:47:56 -0800 Subject: [microsound] pi day 2003 Message-ID: <5EC91B27-7F1F-4C68-B8DA-45BDAD604ABB@anechoicmedia.com> From andrew at andrew-duke.com Tue Feb 3 13:50:35 2009 From: andrew at andrew-duke.com (Andrew Duke) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:50:35 -0400 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498891FB.8080409@andrew-duke.com> Kim Cascone wrote: > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > Yes. -- Andrew Duke In The Mix weekly mixshow (est. 1987), excl. DJ mixes, PAs, interviews: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/AndrewDukeInTheMix.html sound design and music content provider: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/sounddesignandmusic.html http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1614666166 http://andrew-duke.com http://www.discogs.com/artist/Andrew+Duke http://www.residentadvisor.net/dj-page.aspx?id=5947 Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks 57 Hastings Drive Dartmouth NS Canada B2Y 2C7 From rupanama at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 13:52:09 2009 From: rupanama at gmail.com (g d) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:52:09 -0600 Subject: [microsound] microsound Digest, Vol 2, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yes Kim Cascone wrote: > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090203/89ba66f6/attachment.htm From benreviug at yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 13:54:59 2009 From: benreviug at yahoo.com (guiver ben) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:54:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] pi day headcount In-Reply-To: <020320091831.7516.49888D99000BEDBC00001D5C2216549976019C9D9A0B00@comcast.net> Message-ID: <583216.71520.qm@web52002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> count me in thanks ben guiver --- On Tue, 2/3/09, fdurso at comcast.net wrote: > From: fdurso at comcast.net > Subject: [microsound] pi day headcount > To: microsound at or8.net > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 6:31 PM > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the > list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > ------------------------------------- > > yes. > > Frank "maybe" D' > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From benreviug at yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 13:55:05 2009 From: benreviug at yahoo.com (guiver ben) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:55:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] pi day headcount In-Reply-To: <020320091831.7516.49888D99000BEDBC00001D5C2216549976019C9D9A0B00@comcast.net> Message-ID: <539783.63765.qm@web52007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> count me in thanks ben guiver --- On Tue, 2/3/09, fdurso at comcast.net wrote: > From: fdurso at comcast.net > Subject: [microsound] pi day headcount > To: microsound at or8.net > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 6:31 PM > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the > list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > ------------------------------------- > > yes. > > Frank "maybe" D' > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From kim at anechoicmedia.com Tue Feb 3 13:56:40 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:56:40 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day rules Message-ID: Ok so the rules are fairly simple: - the piece must make use of the constant known as Pi = 3.14159 in some way - this time, let's keep all the pieces at EXACTLY 3:14 in length - the file format must be mp3 @ 128kbps or better - don't remember if we can handle .flac with the current player... [John/Paulo, refresh my memory here?] - no spaces or non alpha-numerics in the file name - good example: MyPiDaySubmission23.mp3 - bad example: _pi day is % cool.mp3 any pieces that don't adhere to the rules will not be used deadline is: Friday March 6 2009 damen und herren, start your microengines! :) From gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 13:56:59 2009 From: gerardofigueroacl at yahoo.com (gerardo figueroa) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:56:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] pi day 2003 In-Reply-To: <5EC91B27-7F1F-4C68-B8DA-45BDAD604ABB@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <498363.72347.qm@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> checked ;) i say yes! gerardo figueroa rodr?guez gfr broadcasting system http://www.geocities.com/gerardofigueroacl/bs http://gfrbroadcastingsystem.blogspot.com/ --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Kim Cascone wrote: > From: Kim Cascone > Subject: [microsound] pi day 2003 > To: microsound at microsound.org > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 1:47 PM > > 20day%202003> > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From logickal23 at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 13:57:35 2009 From: logickal23 at gmail.com (Jeremy Dickens) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:57:35 -0600 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes! On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -- -- Jeremy Dickens - Logickal / 3kStatic / Harmaline OffnominalAudio - dPulse Recordings http://www.offnominal.com Now Available: Tibetanaction - "Minimal Techno meets Mt. Kailash" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Korhan On 03.?ub.2009, at 20:50, Andrew Duke wrote: > Kim Cascone wrote: >> anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? >> if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head >> count and decide whether or not we have enough people >> ??? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > Yes. > > -- > Andrew Duke In The Mix weekly mixshow (est. 1987), excl. DJ mixes, > PAs, > interviews: > http://cognitionaudioworks.com/AndrewDukeInTheMix.html > sound design and music content provider: > http://cognitionaudioworks.com/sounddesignandmusic.html > http://myspace.com/andrewduke > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1614666166 > http://andrew-duke.com > http://www.discogs.com/artist/Andrew+Duke > http://www.residentadvisor.net/dj-page.aspx?id=5947 > > Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks > 57 Hastings Drive Dartmouth NS Canada B2Y 2C7 > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From briggs at bananamum.com Tue Feb 3 15:09:54 2009 From: briggs at bananamum.com (briggs at bananamum.com) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:09:54 -0600 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: References: <498891FB.8080409@andrew-duke.com> Message-ID: <4988A492.1010107@bananamum.com> Yes ...steve... From kcpaul at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 15:32:35 2009 From: kcpaul at gmail.com (Kevin Paul) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:32:35 -0700 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201325E9-B994-4F28-A462-0CA39FAD0E4D@gmail.com> Count me in for another go round :) Kevin Paul On Feb 3, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From listekutusu at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 15:39:45 2009 From: listekutusu at gmail.com (Korhan Erel) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:39:45 +0200 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14D9C42F-DA15-4EF7-BC10-1AE317CB16C6@gmail.com> Hi Kim, Do we send the pieces to you? Or upload it somewhere? Best, Korhan On 03.?ub.2009, at 20:56, Kim Cascone wrote: > Ok so the rules are fairly simple: > - the piece must make use of the constant known as Pi = 3.14159 in > some way > - this time, let's keep all the pieces at EXACTLY 3:14 in length > - the file format must be mp3 @ 128kbps or better > - don't remember if we can handle .flac with the current player... > [John/Paulo, refresh my memory here?] > - no spaces or non alpha-numerics in the file name > - good example: MyPiDaySubmission23.mp3 > - bad example: _pi day is % cool.mp3 > > any pieces that don't adhere to the rules will not be used > deadline is: Friday March 6 2009 > > damen und herren, start your microengines! > :) > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From paulo.mouat at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 15:45:08 2009 From: paulo.mouat at gmail.com (Paulo Mouat) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:45:08 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424ce300902031245h2eb65cfdn5335b0c6e36be91a@mail.gmail.com> > - the file format must be mp3 @ 128kbps or better > - don't remember if we can handle .flac with the current player... > [John/Paulo, refresh my memory here?] Indeed the current flash player does not like .flac files. If anyone wants to submit non-lossy versions of their tracks, please create a subfolder and put it there. Please remember that this is *in addition* to the mp3 version of the track, so that the player can play it. //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0 From paulo.mouat at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 15:48:37 2009 From: paulo.mouat at gmail.com (Paulo Mouat) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:48:37 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day rules In-Reply-To: <14D9C42F-DA15-4EF7-BC10-1AE317CB16C6@gmail.com> References: <14D9C42F-DA15-4EF7-BC10-1AE317CB16C6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <424ce300902031248j56821b70pe12c4ca65e1b95f8@mail.gmail.com> Please upload all submissions to the pi_day_2009 folder in the projects area of the microsound repository (accessible from the microsound.org main page). //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0 On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Korhan Erel wrote: > Hi Kim, > > Do we send the pieces to you? Or upload it somewhere? > > Best, > > Korhan > > On 03.?ub.2009, at 20:56, Kim Cascone wrote: > >> Ok so the rules are fairly simple: >> - the piece must make use of the constant known as Pi = 3.14159 in >> some way >> - this time, let's keep all the pieces at EXACTLY 3:14 in length >> - the file format must be mp3 @ 128kbps or better >> - don't remember if we can handle .flac with the current player... >> [John/Paulo, refresh my memory here?] >> - no spaces or non alpha-numerics in the file name >> - good example: MyPiDaySubmission23.mp3 >> - bad example: _pi day is % cool.mp3 >> >> any pieces that don't adhere to the rules will not be used >> deadline is: Friday March 6 2009 >> >> damen und herren, start your microengines! >> :) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From batuhan at batuhanbozkurt.com Tue Feb 3 16:33:04 2009 From: batuhan at batuhanbozkurt.com (Batuhan Bozkurt) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 23:33:04 +0200 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll try to participate! Best, BB. On Feb 3, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > Ok so the rules are fairly simple: > - the piece must make use of the constant known as Pi = 3.14159 in > some way > - this time, let's keep all the pieces at EXACTLY 3:14 in length > - the file format must be mp3 @ 128kbps or better > - don't remember if we can handle .flac with the current player... > [John/Paulo, refresh my memory here?] > - no spaces or non alpha-numerics in the file name > - good example: MyPiDaySubmission23.mp3 > - bad example: _pi day is % cool.mp3 > > any pieces that don't adhere to the rules will not be used > deadline is: Friday March 6 2009 > > damen und herren, start your microengines! > :) > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From cyborgk at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 16:33:45 2009 From: cyborgk at gmail.com (David Powers) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:33:45 -0600 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day project In-Reply-To: <201325E9-B994-4F28-A462-0CA39FAD0E4D@gmail.com> References: <201325E9-B994-4F28-A462-0CA39FAD0E4D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <686ba4e40902031333s24fa49eaga6213ba5b7bcc98f@mail.gmail.com> yes... i guess we have plenty of people! :-) ~David On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Kevin Paul wrote: > Count me in for another go round :) > > Kevin Paul > > On Feb 3, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > >> anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? >> if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head >> count and decide whether or not we have enough people >> ??? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From kim at anechoicmedia.com Tue Feb 3 17:11:49 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 14:11:49 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Pi Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: people submitting should upload to the repository From sound at earphone.org Tue Feb 3 21:22:04 2009 From: sound at earphone.org (maerc_mcnulty) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:22:04 -0500 Subject: [microsound] pi day headcount In-Reply-To: <020320091831.7516.49888D99000BEDBC00001D5C2216549976019C9D9A0B00@comcast.net> References: <020320091831.7516.49888D99000BEDBC00001D5C2216549976019C9D9A0B00@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4988FBCC.3040804@earphone.org> fdurso at comcast.net wrote: > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > ??? > ------------------------------------- > > yes. > > Frank "maybe" D' > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > Yes! -- Maerc McNulty [m?r?n?r] -> sound at earphone.org | o--> http://www.earphone.org From ionizing at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 09:16:19 2009 From: ionizing at gmail.com (Robert Lewis) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:16:19 -0500 Subject: [microsound] pi day headcount In-Reply-To: <4988FBCC.3040804@earphone.org> References: <020320091831.7516.49888D99000BEDBC00001D5C2216549976019C9D9A0B00@comcast.net> <4988FBCC.3040804@earphone.org> Message-ID: time permitting, yes On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:22 PM, maerc_mcnulty wrote: > fdurso at comcast.net wrote: > > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > > ??? > > ------------------------------------- > > > > yes. > > > > Frank "maybe" D' > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > Yes! > > -- > > Maerc McNulty [m?r?n?r] -> sound at earphone.org > | > o--> http://www.earphone.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint From eva at basebog.it Wed Feb 4 13:55:50 2009 From: eva at basebog.it (eva at basebog.it) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:55:50 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Rhys Chatham Message-ID: <380-2200923418555080@M2W020.mail2web.com> I'm going to attend the performance 'Secret Rose' by Rhys Chatham, with sounds generated by 100 electric guitars and a couple of other analogic instruments. what do you think of this kind of initiatives? can you help me tracing some links to find a context for this work? thanks in advance eva Original Message: ----------------- From: Robert Lewis ionizing at gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:16:19 -0500 To: microsound at microsound.org, sound at earphone.org Subject: Re: [microsound] pi day headcount time permitting, yes On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:22 PM, maerc_mcnulty wrote: > fdurso at comcast.net wrote: > > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > > ??? > > ------------------------------------- > > > > yes. > > > > Frank "maybe" D' > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > Yes! > > -- > > Maerc McNulty [m?r?n?r] -> sound at earphone.org > | > o--> http://www.earphone.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft? Windows? and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From bruce at skeletonhome.com Wed Feb 4 13:59:18 2009 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:59:18 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Rhys Chatham In-Reply-To: <380-2200923418555080@M2W020.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200923418555080@M2W020.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <3609BBDA-5183-4E1A-9A0E-BE0AEED5CD5C@skeletonhome.com> well, Glenn Branca is one place to start, and then Sonic Youth came out of that.... b On Feb 4, 2009, at 1:55 PM, eva at basebog.it wrote: > > I'm going to attend the performance 'Secret Rose' by Rhys Chatham, > with > sounds generated by 100 electric guitars and a couple of other > analogic > instruments. > what do you think of this kind of initiatives? can you help me > tracing some > links to find a context for this work? > thanks in advance > > eva > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Robert Lewis ionizing at gmail.com > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:16:19 -0500 > To: microsound at microsound.org, sound at earphone.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] pi day headcount > > > time permitting, yes > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:22 PM, maerc_mcnulty > wrote: > >> fdurso at comcast.net wrote: >>> anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? >>> if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head >>> count and decide whether or not we have enough people >>> ??? >>> ------------------------------------- >>> >>> yes. >>> >>> Frank "maybe" D' >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >>> >> Yes! >> >> -- >> >> Maerc McNulty [m?r?n?r] -> sound at earphone.org >> | >> o--> http://www.earphone.org >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft? Windows? and Linux web and > application > hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From roachboy at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 14:00:34 2009 From: roachboy at gmail.com (Stephen Hastings-King) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:00:34 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Rhys Chatham In-Reply-To: <380-2200923418555080@M2W020.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200923418555080@M2W020.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <3a5562340902041100s6a87dc21jae2fa5cd90d84fd0@mail.gmail.com> the obvious precursor is glenn branca. but i'm not sure what you're asking about when you ask what one thinks of this kind of initiative...could you explain please? stephen On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:55 PM, eva at basebog.it wrote: > > I'm going to attend the performance 'Secret Rose' by Rhys Chatham, with > sounds generated by 100 electric guitars and a couple of other analogic > instruments. > what do you think of this kind of initiatives? can you help me tracing some > links to find a context for this work? > thanks in advance > > eva > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Robert Lewis ionizing at gmail.com > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:16:19 -0500 > To: microsound at microsound.org, sound at earphone.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] pi day headcount > > > time permitting, yes > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:22 PM, maerc_mcnulty wrote: > > > fdurso at comcast.net wrote: > > > anyone interested in doing a Pi Day project this year? > > > if so please post a 'YES' or 'NO' to the list and I'll take a head > > > count and decide whether or not we have enough people > > > ??? > > > ------------------------------------- > > > > > > yes. > > > > > > Frank "maybe" D' > > > _______________________________________________ > > > microsound mailing list > > > microsound at microsound.org > > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > > > > Yes! > > > > -- > > > > Maerc McNulty [m?r?n?r] -> sound at earphone.org > > | > > o--> http://www.earphone.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft(R) Windows(R) and Linux web and application > hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090204/2b193838/attachment-0001.htm From eva at moolab.net Wed Feb 4 14:11:25 2009 From: eva at moolab.net (eva sjuve) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:11:25 +0100 Subject: [microsound] T-shirt design revisited In-Reply-To: <380-2200923418516709@M2W009.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200923418516709@M2W009.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4989E85D.7090600@moolab.net> eva at basebog.it wrote: > this T design is gorgeous! > > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Hans Erik Nilsson hasse at algonet.se > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:46:52 +0100 > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: [microsound] T-shirt design revisited > > > As I recall, this design for a Microsound-list-t-shirt was never realised: > http://www.jerevequejedors.com/v1/microsoundV2.html > Could the designer please contact me off-list? Thanks. > > /Cheers, > /Hans > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com ? What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > hell yes, I want one for my next conference presentation! best -eva From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Feb 4 14:16:27 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:16:27 -0800 Subject: [microsound] RIP: Max Neuhaus Message-ID: sad to report: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/features/6244833.html I had the privilege of working for Max just before I moved from NYC to SF in 1983 on a project using some sound making PC boards he found on Canal St. He and I shared a fondness for the SID chip and exchanged a few letters regarding this after I moved west. He was a very open and friendly person who had a very inventive mind. In many ways he reminded me of David Tudor. He will be missed. From bruce at skeletonhome.com Wed Feb 4 14:21:48 2009 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:21:48 -0500 Subject: [microsound] RIP: Max Neuhaus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: max was a huge influence on me as well - i think kim's david tudor comparison particularly apt, both forged new paths for us to follow. b On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > sad to report: > http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/features/6244833.html > > I had the privilege of working for Max just before I moved from NYC > to SF in 1983 on a project using some sound making PC boards he found > on Canal St. He and I shared a fondness for the SID chip and > exchanged a few letters regarding this after I moved west. He was a > very open and friendly person who had a very inventive mind. In many > ways he reminded me of David Tudor. He will be missed. > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090204/2cdfe3c5/attachment.htm From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Feb 4 14:49:13 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:49:13 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Rhys Chatham Message-ID: > and i should add that Rhys and Glenn were developing their ideas at > the same time, in the highly charged, creative stew that was the NYC > downtown art scene in the late 70's - early 80's. lots of really > interesting musical ideas/bands: DNA, Liquid Liquid, Y Pants, > Contortions, Mars, Lydia Lunch et al. combine that with Philip Glass, > Laurie Anderson, Steve Reich, etc. and BOOM. some coffee thoughts: I lived and worked in Manhattan around that time and attended the Noise Fest at the White Columns on Spring St in '81 (I even managed to 'find' poster for it and now hangs in my studio) Sonic Youth, Glenn Branca and Rhys Chatham all played at the Noise Fest in addition to a lesser known downtown guitar ensemble headed by Jeffery Lohn and who I auditioned for but I saw Rhys play at the Mudd Club or Club 57 (can't remember which) where his percussionist played metal poles with ball-peen hammers a very intense concert so say the least and in some ways more interesting than Glenn's work but I was big fans of both of them a few years later I saw Glenn speak at the Exploritorium in SF so I chatted with him a little afterwards about the NY scene and why I moved to SF I would have to say that some of the context for this was 'New Music' as mashed up with the 'No Wave' music happening in NY around that time and there was a lot of cultural cross breeding going on then witness the New Music America festivals and Ear Magazine which were both based in NYC and which helped to stir the 'creative stew' that Bruce mentioned I had a friend who played in Glenn's ensemble (before Glenn got famous) and he told me this story about how Glenn knew almost nothing about rock music and rock guitar techniques so he continually asked my friend to play him 'historical' rock 'n roll records and explain to him how certain guitar pedals were used in making rock guitar sounds also, I had the pleasure of seeing DNA play at CBGB's several times and think Arto Lindsay is one of the most original guitarists of his time his playing in DNA astounds me to this day and totally shifted how I thought of the 'guitar' only to be further damaged by Keith Rowe and Fred Frith later on my Berklee College of Music education never looked so provincial as during that time From bruce at skeletonhome.com Wed Feb 4 15:04:12 2009 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:04:12 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Rhys Chatham In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71BD1488-AA68-4F1C-BE24-32D81ABC32AE@skeletonhome.com> nicely put. i will 100% concur with kim's comments on DNA. still in the top 5 of my favorite live bands of all time. every time i see ikue mori around town at a show i get tongue tied... i had the pleasure of being friends with Glenn (and Barbara Ess, his partner at the time and one of the Y Pants gals) back in the 80s and his shows were monstrous. Thurston Moore (of Sonic Youth) took some of those ideas and brilliantly fused them with the more "straightforward" rock context of guitar/bass/drums to obvious great success. Rhys was i think equal to Glenn in his impact on music at the time, but i land on Glenn's side as far as my thinking goes. the great thing about the time was the collapsing of "borders" - people like John Zorn, Elliot Sharp and many, many more made distinctions like "rock" "jazz" "free" "classical" totally insignificant. b On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >> and i should add that Rhys and Glenn were developing their ideas at >> the same time, in the highly charged, creative stew that was the NYC >> downtown art scene in the late 70's - early 80's. lots of really >> interesting musical ideas/bands: DNA, Liquid Liquid, Y Pants, >> Contortions, Mars, Lydia Lunch et al. combine that with Philip Glass, >> Laurie Anderson, Steve Reich, etc. and BOOM. > > some coffee thoughts: > I lived and worked in Manhattan around that time and attended the > Noise Fest at the White Columns on Spring St in '81 > (I even managed to 'find' poster for it and now hangs in my studio) > Sonic Youth, Glenn Branca and Rhys Chatham all played at the Noise > Fest > in addition to a lesser known downtown guitar ensemble headed by > Jeffery Lohn and who I auditioned for > but I saw Rhys play at the Mudd Club or Club 57 (can't remember > which) where his percussionist played metal poles with ball-peen > hammers > a very intense concert so say the least and in some ways more > interesting than Glenn's work > but I was big fans of both of them > a few years later I saw Glenn speak at the Exploritorium in SF so I > chatted with him a little afterwards about the NY scene and why I > moved to SF > > I would have to say that some of the context for this was 'New Music' > as mashed up with the 'No Wave' music happening in NY around that time > and there was a lot of cultural cross breeding going on then > witness the New Music America festivals and Ear Magazine which were > both based in NYC and which helped to stir the 'creative stew' that > Bruce mentioned > > I had a friend who played in Glenn's ensemble (before Glenn got > famous) and he told me this story about how Glenn knew almost nothing > about rock music and rock guitar techniques > so he continually asked my friend to play him 'historical' rock 'n > roll records and explain to him how certain guitar pedals were used > in making rock guitar sounds > > also, I had the pleasure of seeing DNA play at CBGB's several times > and think Arto Lindsay is one of the most original guitarists of his > time > his playing in DNA astounds me to this day and totally shifted how I > thought of the 'guitar' > only to be further damaged by Keith Rowe and Fred Frith later on > my Berklee College of Music education never looked so provincial as > during that time > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090204/3dfeab81/attachment-0001.htm From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Feb 4 15:16:18 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:16:18 -0800 Subject: [microsound] FWD: Ardour in trouble Message-ID: <9843E676-8250-44E1-A345-B1E069E110B5@anechoicmedia.com> I'm forwarding this from the lead developer of an amazing FOSS audio app: ARDOUR please help spread the word and forward this to other lists and people you know who might be able to help also I know money is tight these days but if you could possibly pitch in ?/$20 that would be great! :) KIM > """"SAE announced today that they will no longer sponsor the > development of Ardour. This puts me (Paul, Ardour?s lead developer) > in the position of being paid solely by the donations and > subscriptions made by the Ardour community. This is obviously > insufficient to support myself, let alone my family, so I am > obviously looking for other opportunities to earn a living. > Although I intend to try to improve the revenue that Ardour itself > generates, this is unlikely to be sufficient for some time to come. > I am therefore in a position to serve as consultant/contractor on > other projects, and will be happy to handle inquiries about this > via email (paul at linuxaudiosystems.com). I intend to continue doing > some work on Ardour to provide support and continuing incentives to > those who are already paying for that via donations & > subscriptions.""""" > > If anyone can help find corporate sponsors the help would be > greatly appreciated. > > Take care, > Sean Burns From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Feb 4 17:58:35 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:58:35 -0800 Subject: [microsound] repository access + ID3 tags Message-ID: <020DA61A-05BE-44AF-910F-F11FD5BD8570@anechoicmedia.com> people have contacted me saying they are having trouble getting access to the microsound repository please contact John or Paulo and let them know you are having trouble: paulo.mouat at gmail.com js0000 at gmail.com ***also, please DO NOT forget to make ID3 tags for your mp3s!*** From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Feb 4 17:58:57 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:58:57 -0800 Subject: [microsound] repository access + ID3 tags Message-ID: <23576E43-AFD2-4953-9528-3101D1C1DE63@anechoicmedia.com> people have contacted me saying they are having trouble getting access to the microsound repository please contact John or Paulo and let them know you are having trouble: paulo.mouat at gmail.com js0000 at gmail.com ***also, please DO NOT forget to make ID3 tags for your mp3s!*** From dave at mysterybear.net Wed Feb 4 18:40:34 2009 From: dave at mysterybear.net (Dave Seidel) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:40:34 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Rhys Chatham In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498A2772.9050905@mysterybear.net> Concur on all that (I was there from '78 to '88). Another point for reference for this music is idea of music for multiples. See Mary Jane Leach's really comprehensive list here: http://www.mjleach.com/multiples.htm. [Disclosure: I did the first recording and performances of Lois V Vierk's "Go Guitars", which is a great piece for five electric guitars in a quarter-tone-based tuning, and which is on MJ's list.] - Dave Kim Cascone wrote: >> and i should add that Rhys and Glenn were developing their ideas at >> the same time, in the highly charged, creative stew that was the NYC >> downtown art scene in the late 70's - early 80's. lots of really >> interesting musical ideas/bands: DNA, Liquid Liquid, Y Pants, >> Contortions, Mars, Lydia Lunch et al. combine that with Philip Glass, >> Laurie Anderson, Steve Reich, etc. and BOOM. > > some coffee thoughts: > I lived and worked in Manhattan around that time and attended the > Noise Fest at the White Columns on Spring St in '81 > (I even managed to 'find' poster for it and now hangs in my studio) > Sonic Youth, Glenn Branca and Rhys Chatham all played at the Noise Fest > in addition to a lesser known downtown guitar ensemble headed by > Jeffery Lohn and who I auditioned for > but I saw Rhys play at the Mudd Club or Club 57 (can't remember > which) where his percussionist played metal poles with ball-peen hammers > a very intense concert so say the least and in some ways more > interesting than Glenn's work > but I was big fans of both of them > a few years later I saw Glenn speak at the Exploritorium in SF so I > chatted with him a little afterwards about the NY scene and why I > moved to SF > > I would have to say that some of the context for this was 'New Music' > as mashed up with the 'No Wave' music happening in NY around that time > and there was a lot of cultural cross breeding going on then > witness the New Music America festivals and Ear Magazine which were > both based in NYC and which helped to stir the 'creative stew' that > Bruce mentioned > > I had a friend who played in Glenn's ensemble (before Glenn got > famous) and he told me this story about how Glenn knew almost nothing > about rock music and rock guitar techniques > so he continually asked my friend to play him 'historical' rock 'n > roll records and explain to him how certain guitar pedals were used > in making rock guitar sounds > > also, I had the pleasure of seeing DNA play at CBGB's several times > and think Arto Lindsay is one of the most original guitarists of his > time > his playing in DNA astounds me to this day and totally shifted how I > thought of the 'guitar' > only to be further damaged by Keith Rowe and Fred Frith later on > my Berklee College of Music education never looked so provincial as > during that time > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > -- ~DaveSeidel = [ http://mysterybear.net, http://daveseidel.tumblr.com, http://twitter.com/DaveSeidel ]; From tjaredfriend at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 18:43:13 2009 From: tjaredfriend at gmail.com (Jared Friend) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:43:13 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Rhys Chatham In-Reply-To: <498A2772.9050905@mysterybear.net> References: <498A2772.9050905@mysterybear.net> Message-ID: <686773150902041543r7a41e279n69ff44ce91279b41@mail.gmail.com> That list is fantastic. Thanks a lot. Jared On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Dave Seidel wrote: > Concur on all that (I was there from '78 to '88). Another point for > reference for this music is idea of music for multiples. See Mary Jane > Leach's really comprehensive list here: > > http://www.mjleach.com/multiples.htm. > > [Disclosure: I did the first recording and performances of Lois V > Vierk's "Go Guitars", which is a great piece for five electric guitars > in a quarter-tone-based tuning, and which is on MJ's list.] > > - Dave > > Kim Cascone wrote: >>> and i should add that Rhys and Glenn were developing their ideas at >>> the same time, in the highly charged, creative stew that was the NYC >>> downtown art scene in the late 70's - early 80's. lots of really >>> interesting musical ideas/bands: DNA, Liquid Liquid, Y Pants, >>> Contortions, Mars, Lydia Lunch et al. combine that with Philip Glass, >>> Laurie Anderson, Steve Reich, etc. and BOOM. >> >> some coffee thoughts: >> I lived and worked in Manhattan around that time and attended the >> Noise Fest at the White Columns on Spring St in '81 >> (I even managed to 'find' poster for it and now hangs in my studio) >> Sonic Youth, Glenn Branca and Rhys Chatham all played at the Noise Fest >> in addition to a lesser known downtown guitar ensemble headed by >> Jeffery Lohn and who I auditioned for >> but I saw Rhys play at the Mudd Club or Club 57 (can't remember >> which) where his percussionist played metal poles with ball-peen hammers >> a very intense concert so say the least and in some ways more >> interesting than Glenn's work >> but I was big fans of both of them >> a few years later I saw Glenn speak at the Exploritorium in SF so I >> chatted with him a little afterwards about the NY scene and why I >> moved to SF >> >> I would have to say that some of the context for this was 'New Music' >> as mashed up with the 'No Wave' music happening in NY around that time >> and there was a lot of cultural cross breeding going on then >> witness the New Music America festivals and Ear Magazine which were >> both based in NYC and which helped to stir the 'creative stew' that >> Bruce mentioned >> >> I had a friend who played in Glenn's ensemble (before Glenn got >> famous) and he told me this story about how Glenn knew almost nothing >> about rock music and rock guitar techniques >> so he continually asked my friend to play him 'historical' rock 'n >> roll records and explain to him how certain guitar pedals were used >> in making rock guitar sounds >> >> also, I had the pleasure of seeing DNA play at CBGB's several times >> and think Arto Lindsay is one of the most original guitarists of his >> time >> his playing in DNA astounds me to this day and totally shifted how I >> thought of the 'guitar' >> only to be further damaged by Keith Rowe and Fred Frith later on >> my Berklee College of Music education never looked so provincial as >> during that time >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> > > -- > ~DaveSeidel = [ > http://mysterybear.net, > http://daveseidel.tumblr.com, > http://twitter.com/DaveSeidel > ]; > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From eva at basebog.it Thu Feb 5 05:02:10 2009 From: eva at basebog.it (eva at basebog.it) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 05:02:10 -0500 Subject: [microsound] T-shirt design revisited Message-ID: <380-2200924510210697@M2W021.mail2web.com> yep!! please do those Ts also for females :-) Original Message: ----------------- From: eva sjuve eva at moolab.net Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:11:25 +0100 To: microsound at microsound.org Subject: Re: [microsound] T-shirt design revisited eva at basebog.it wrote: > this T design is gorgeous! > > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Hans Erik Nilsson hasse at algonet.se > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:46:52 +0100 > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: [microsound] T-shirt design revisited > > > As I recall, this design for a Microsound-list-t-shirt was never realised: > http://www.jerevequejedors.com/v1/microsoundV2.html > Could the designer please contact me off-list? Thanks. > > /Cheers, > /Hans > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web.com ? What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > hell yes, I want one for my next conference presentation! best -eva _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound at microsound.org http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From ivalladt at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 07:50:32 2009 From: ivalladt at gmail.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:50:32 +0100 Subject: [microsound] Request for open source solution to spectrograms and phase measurement Message-ID: Sorry for the crossposting, but I don't know which list is more suitable to what I'm asking. One friend of mine is looking for a solution based in Linux. I admit I don't understand fully what he needs. That's why I am asking to you gurus out there... :) He needs something for level measurement of spectrograms, callibrated as K-14, also for phase measurement. He used [1]a plug-in for Nuendo in the past, but now he's looking for a netbook devoted only to this task, and he wants to use an open source solution. 1. http://www.nugenaudio.com/visualizer.php Any suggestions welcome. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.seomarketingtools.org/ http://www.linuxav.net/ t. 0034912519850 m. 0034609884094 (Yoigo) GnuPG key: DE721AF4 Google Talk/Jabber/MSN Messenger: ivalladt at gmail.com Jaiku/Twitter/Skype/Yahoo!: ivalladt AIM/ICQ: 264472328 From ivalladt at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 07:51:58 2009 From: ivalladt at gmail.com (Ismael Valladolid Torres) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:51:58 +0100 Subject: [microsound] Request for open source solution to spectrograms and phase measurement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry for the crossposting, but I don't know which list is more suitable to what I'm asking. One friend of mine is looking for a solution based in Linux. I admit I don't understand fully what he needs. That's why I am asking to you gurus out there... :) He needs something for level measurement of spectrograms, callibrated as K-14, also for phase measurement. He used [1]a plug-in for Nuendo in the past, but now he's looking for a netbook devoted only to this task, and he wants to use an open source solution. 1. http://www.nugenaudio.com/visualizer.php Any suggestions welcome. Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.seomarketingtools.org/ http://www.linuxav.net/ t. 0034912519850 m. 0034609884094 (Yoigo) GnuPG key: DE721AF4 Google Talk/Jabber/MSN Messenger: ivalladt at gmail.com Jaiku/Twitter/Skype/Yahoo!: ivalladt AIM/ICQ: 264472328 -- Ismael Valladolid Torres http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.seomarketingtools.org/ http://www.linuxav.net/ t. 0034912519850 m. 0034609884094 (Yoigo) GnuPG key: DE721AF4 Google Talk/Jabber/MSN Messenger: ivalladt at gmail.com Jaiku/Twitter/Skype/Yahoo!: ivalladt AIM/ICQ: 264472328 From paulo.mouat at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 08:08:26 2009 From: paulo.mouat at gmail.com (Paulo Mouat) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:08:26 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Request for open source solution to spectrograms and phase measurement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424ce300902050508h44534c2er1923e96afba969e6@mail.gmail.com> http://www.sonicvisualiser.org //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0 On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: > Sorry for the crossposting, but I don't know which list is more > suitable to what I'm asking. > > One friend of mine is looking for a solution based in Linux. I admit I > don't understand fully what he needs. That's why I am asking to you > gurus out there... :) > > He needs something for level measurement of spectrograms, callibrated > as K-14, also for phase measurement. He used [1]a plug-in for Nuendo > in the past, but now he's looking for a netbook devoted only to this > task, and he wants to use an open source solution. > > 1. http://www.nugenaudio.com/visualizer.php > > Any suggestions welcome. > > Cordially, Ismael > -- > Ismael Valladolid Torres http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ > http://www.seomarketingtools.org/ > http://www.linuxav.net/ > t. 0034912519850 > m. 0034609884094 (Yoigo) GnuPG key: DE721AF4 > > Google Talk/Jabber/MSN Messenger: ivalladt at gmail.com > Jaiku/Twitter/Skype/Yahoo!: ivalladt > AIM/ICQ: 264472328 > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From sashimibee at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 09:28:10 2009 From: sashimibee at gmail.com (Georgina Lewis) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:28:10 -0500 Subject: [microsound] T-shirt design revisited In-Reply-To: <380-2200924510210697@M2W021.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200924510210697@M2W021.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <47b4fb710902050628q5c41064ex5a94346392e4ea84@mail.gmail.com> yes indeed! (including the sizes for females) On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:02 AM, eva at basebog.it wrote: > yep!! please do those Ts also for females :-) > > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: eva sjuve eva at moolab.net > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:11:25 +0100 > To: microsound at microsound.org > Subject: Re: [microsound] T-shirt design revisited > > > eva at basebog.it wrote: > > this T design is gorgeous! > > > > > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Hans Erik Nilsson hasse at algonet.se > > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:46:52 +0100 > > To: microsound at microsound.org > > Subject: [microsound] T-shirt design revisited > > > > > > As I recall, this design for a Microsound-list-t-shirt was never > realised: > > http://www.jerevequejedors.com/v1/microsoundV2.html > > Could the designer please contact me off-list? Thanks. > > > > /Cheers, > > /Hans > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web.com ? What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? > > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > hell yes, I want one for my next conference presentation! > best > -eva > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft(R) Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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KIM From hasse at algonet.se Thu Feb 5 09:46:44 2009 From: hasse at algonet.se (Hans Erik Nilsson) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:46:44 +0100 Subject: [microsound] T-shirt design revisited In-Reply-To: <47b4fb710902050628q5c41064ex5a94346392e4ea84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, the designer of this masterpiece is yet unknown, and without a original vectorized graphics file, there will be no t-shirts. /Cheers /Hans Den 2009-02-05 15.28, skrev "Georgina Lewis" : > yes indeed! (including the sizes for females) > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:02 AM, eva at basebog.it wrote: >> yep!! please do those Ts also for females :-) >> >> >> >> Original Message: >> ----------------- >> From: eva sjuve eva at moolab.net >> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:11:25 +0100 >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Subject: Re: [microsound] T-shirt design revisited >> >> >> eva at basebog.it wrote: >>> > this T design is gorgeous! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Original Message: >>> > ----------------- >>> > From: Hans Erik Nilsson hasse at algonet.se >>> > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:46:52 +0100 >>> > To: microsound at microsound.org >>> > Subject: [microsound] T-shirt design revisited >>> > >>> > >>> > As I recall, this design for a Microsound-list-t-shirt was never realised: >>> > http://www.jerevequejedors.com/v1/microsoundV2.html >>> > Could the designer please contact me off-list? Thanks. >>> > >>> > /Cheers, >>> > /Hans >>> > >>> > >>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > mail2web.com ? What can On Demand Business >>> Solutions do for you? >>> > http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > microsound mailing list >>> > microsound at microsound.org >>> > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> > >> hell yes, I want one for my next conference presentation! >> best >> -eva >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? 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Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres http://lamediahostia.blogspot.com/ http://www.seomarketingtools.org/ http://www.linuxav.net/ t. 0034912519850 m. 0034609884094 (Yoigo) GnuPG key: DE721AF4 Google Talk/Jabber/MSN Messenger: ivalladt at gmail.com Jaiku/Twitter/Skype/Yahoo!: ivalladt AIM/ICQ: 264472328 From kim at anechoicmedia.com Thu Feb 5 11:14:29 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:14:29 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Request for open source solution to spectrograms and phase measurement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ADAF94B-E3E4-4988-A6A4-246EEEECFF50@anechoicmedia.com> On Feb 5, 2009, at 4:52 AM, microsound-request at or8.net wrote: > He needs something for level measurement of spectrograms, callibrated > as K-14, also for phase measurement. He used [1]a plug-in for Nuendo > in the past, but now he's looking for a netbook devoted only to this > task, and he wants to use an open source solution. check out: www.baudline.com on Linux this app on OS X is NOT FOSS http://www.faberacoustical.com/products/electroacoustics_toolbox/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Drop me a line if you are still having trouble registering with the repository. //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0 On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > I apologize for the problems people have been experiencing with > getting access to the microsound repository > Paulo needs to run a script in order to update all the new email > sub's so that the repository list of sub's matches > since Paulo has been busy with work this process hasn't happened yet > please be patient - Paulo and John both donate their time to > the .microsound community and should be commended for keeping > everything humming nicely > :) > thanks! > KIM > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From ken at restivo.org Thu Feb 5 22:46:12 2009 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:46:12 -0800 Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) In-Reply-To: <498A2772.9050905@mysterybear.net> References: <498A2772.9050905@mysterybear.net> Message-ID: <20090206034612.GA27671@aieee.restivo.org> On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 06:40:34PM -0500, Dave Seidel wrote: > Concur on all that (I was there from '78 to '88). Another point for > reference for this music is idea of music for multiples. See Mary Jane > Leach's really comprehensive list here: M. Doughty described lower Manhattan in the 80's as "looking like it'd been hit with an art bomb", which I think is a pretty accurate description of walking around there in those years (I lived a 20-minute commute away). He made that analogy by way of comparing New York in the 80's to Berlin a few years ago, though I've never been to Berlin. I got a similar-- though smaller-scale-- impression of San Francisco when I moved here in the mid-90's. It certainly doesn't seem that way now. My question is this: where in the world-- if anywhere-- is there such a scene like early-80's New York taking place? i.e. a place where artists and musicians can make a decent-- maybe even good-- living? -ken ----------- > > http://www.mjleach.com/multiples.htm. > > [Disclosure: I did the first recording and performances of Lois V > Vierk's "Go Guitars", which is a great piece for five electric guitars > in a quarter-tone-based tuning, and which is on MJ's list.] > > - Dave > > Kim Cascone wrote: > >> and i should add that Rhys and Glenn were developing their ideas at > >> the same time, in the highly charged, creative stew that was the NYC > >> downtown art scene in the late 70's - early 80's. lots of really > >> interesting musical ideas/bands: DNA, Liquid Liquid, Y Pants, > >> Contortions, Mars, Lydia Lunch et al. combine that with Philip Glass, > >> Laurie Anderson, Steve Reich, etc. and BOOM. > > > > some coffee thoughts: > > I lived and worked in Manhattan around that time and attended the > > Noise Fest at the White Columns on Spring St in '81 > > (I even managed to 'find' poster for it and now hangs in my studio) > > Sonic Youth, Glenn Branca and Rhys Chatham all played at the Noise Fest > > in addition to a lesser known downtown guitar ensemble headed by > > Jeffery Lohn and who I auditioned for > > but I saw Rhys play at the Mudd Club or Club 57 (can't remember > > which) where his percussionist played metal poles with ball-peen hammers > > a very intense concert so say the least and in some ways more > > interesting than Glenn's work > > but I was big fans of both of them > > a few years later I saw Glenn speak at the Exploritorium in SF so I > > chatted with him a little afterwards about the NY scene and why I > > moved to SF > > > > I would have to say that some of the context for this was 'New Music' > > as mashed up with the 'No Wave' music happening in NY around that time > > and there was a lot of cultural cross breeding going on then > > witness the New Music America festivals and Ear Magazine which were > > both based in NYC and which helped to stir the 'creative stew' that > > Bruce mentioned > > > > I had a friend who played in Glenn's ensemble (before Glenn got > > famous) and he told me this story about how Glenn knew almost nothing > > about rock music and rock guitar techniques > > so he continually asked my friend to play him 'historical' rock 'n > > roll records and explain to him how certain guitar pedals were used > > in making rock guitar sounds > > > > also, I had the pleasure of seeing DNA play at CBGB's several times > > and think Arto Lindsay is one of the most original guitarists of his > > time > > his playing in DNA astounds me to this day and totally shifted how I > > thought of the 'guitar' > > only to be further damaged by Keith Rowe and Fred Frith later on > > my Berklee College of Music education never looked so provincial as > > during that time > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > > > -- > ~DaveSeidel = [ > http://mysterybear.net, > http://daveseidel.tumblr.com, > http://twitter.com/DaveSeidel > ]; > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From damian at frey.co.nz Fri Feb 6 04:16:14 2009 From: damian at frey.co.nz (Damian Stewart) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:16:14 +0100 Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) In-Reply-To: <20090206034612.GA27671@aieee.restivo.org> References: <498A2772.9050905@mysterybear.net> <20090206034612.GA27671@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <498BFFDE.9080004@frey.co.nz> Ken Restivo wrote: > My question is this: where in the world-- if anywhere-- is there such a > scene like early-80's New York taking place? i.e. a place where artists > and musicians can make a decent-- maybe even good-- living? i have friends who lived in Berlin during the good times a few years ago. my impression was that people didn't get paid, and anyone who lived there had to make their living elsewhere. but i could suggest a couple of left-field options: in New Zealand, both Dunedin and Wellington have astonishing music scenes. Dunedin in particular has been described to me as the free improv capital of the world, although i've never lived there. it's also absurdly cheap. Wellington, where i have lived, also has a huge live music scene. no-one ever gets paid, but there's loads of people doing it, and there's a lot of space, so if you're willing to rough it a little bit there's plenty of places you can stay on people's couches/spare rooms/closets/whatever. especially if you're from overseas, the locals love it because not many make the journey. chur d -- damian stewart | skype: damiansnz | damian at frey.co.nz frey | live art with machines | http://www.frey.co.nz From bruce at skeletonhome.com Fri Feb 6 10:25:51 2009 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:25:51 -0500 Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) In-Reply-To: <20090206034612.GA27671@aieee.restivo.org> References: <498A2772.9050905@mysterybear.net> <20090206034612.GA27671@aieee.restivo.org> Message-ID: <91BBAF8A-60A0-4ACB-9F2E-6E41DAAEF375@skeletonhome.com> well i'm sure that kim will chime in here, but there are definitely more opportunities in the EU and elsewhere in the world than in the US. i have friends in the EU who get stipends from the government to do their work. and in general it seems that art gets better funding over there. now i'd also to be the first person to state that those scenes are NOTHING like what the 80s scene was like - there's a reason so many books are being written about it, etc. it was a moment in time, a convergence that only happens occasionally. and you never know when you're in it that it will turn out to be that way, though you suspect and hope. and while there was more money to be made, clubs paid better than today (do they pay at all?) it still wasn't a great living. most of the people i knew scraped by and lived in cheap little places in the east village (and still do!) b On Feb 5, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > My question is this: where in the world-- if anywhere-- is there > such a scene like early-80's New York taking place? i.e. a place > where artists and musicians can make a decent-- maybe even good-- > living? > > -ken bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." Philip K. Dick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090206/8aeeffcc/attachment.htm From dave at mysterybear.net Fri Feb 6 13:43:39 2009 From: dave at mysterybear.net (Dave Seidel) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:43:39 -0500 Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) In-Reply-To: <91BBAF8A-60A0-4ACB-9F2E-6E41DAAEF375@skeletonhome.com> References: <498A2772.9050905@mysterybear.net> <20090206034612.GA27671@aieee.restivo.org> <91BBAF8A-60A0-4ACB-9F2E-6E41DAAEF375@skeletonhome.com> Message-ID: <498C84DB.1060500@mysterybear.net> Exactly. The only musicians I knew in the downtown scene who were supporting themselves with music were also doing session/touring work with mainstream acts (e.g., Lenny Pickett and the other Borneo Horns guys, which were gigging with Bowie). Everyone else, myself definitely included, had day jobs. It was a great time for creativity, and a few composers and choreographers did OK on a sporadic basis for a limited period of time, but it was no cornucopia of pecuniary delights. - Dave Bruce Tovsky wrote: > well i'm sure that kim will chime in here, but there are definitely more > opportunities in the EU and elsewhere in the world than in the US. i > have friends in the EU who get stipends from the government to do their > work. and in general it seems that art gets better funding over there. > now i'd also to be the first person to state that those scenes are > NOTHING like what the 80s scene was like - there's a reason so many > books are being written about it, etc. it was a moment in time, a > convergence that only happens occasionally. and you never know when > you're in it that it will turn out to be that way, though you suspect > and hope. and while there was more money to be made, clubs paid better > than today (do they pay at all?) it still wasn't a great living. most of > the people i knew scraped by and lived in cheap little places in the > east village (and still do!) > b > > On Feb 5, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: > >> My question is this: where in the world-- if anywhere-- is there such >> a scene like early-80's New York taking place? i.e. a place where >> artists and musicians can make a decent-- maybe even good-- living? >> >> >> -ken >> > > bruce tovsky > > www.skeletonhome.com > > > "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." > > Philip K. Dick > -- ~DaveSeidel = [ http://mysterybear.net, http://daveseidel.tumblr.com, http://twitter.com/DaveSeidel ]; From bruce at skeletonhome.com Fri Feb 6 14:12:00 2009 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:12:00 -0500 Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) In-Reply-To: <498C84DB.1060500@mysterybear.net> References: <498A2772.9050905@mysterybear.net> <20090206034612.GA27671@aieee.restivo.org> <91BBAF8A-60A0-4ACB-9F2E-6E41DAAEF375@skeletonhome.com> <498C84DB.1060500@mysterybear.net> Message-ID: funny thing is that i've made more money in the last two years from work that i did back in the 80s (producing Liquid Liquid) than i did DURING the 80s, due to reissue projects that i've produced. thank god for the resurgence of interest in the period! b On Feb 6, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Dave Seidel wrote: > Exactly. The only musicians I knew in the downtown scene who were > supporting themselves with music were also doing session/touring work > with mainstream acts (e.g., Lenny Pickett and the other Borneo Horns > guys, which were gigging with Bowie). Everyone else, myself > definitely > included, had day jobs. It was a great time for creativity, and a few > composers and choreographers did OK on a sporadic basis for a limited > period of time, but it was no cornucopia of pecuniary delights. > > - Dave > > Bruce Tovsky wrote: >> well i'm sure that kim will chime in here, but there are >> definitely more >> opportunities in the EU and elsewhere in the world than in the US. i >> have friends in the EU who get stipends from the government to do >> their >> work. and in general it seems that art gets better funding over >> there. >> now i'd also to be the first person to state that those scenes are >> NOTHING like what the 80s scene was like - there's a reason so many >> books are being written about it, etc. it was a moment in time, a >> convergence that only happens occasionally. and you never know when >> you're in it that it will turn out to be that way, though you suspect >> and hope. and while there was more money to be made, clubs paid >> better >> than today (do they pay at all?) it still wasn't a great living. >> most of >> the people i knew scraped by and lived in cheap little places in the >> east village (and still do!) >> b >> >> On Feb 5, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Ken Restivo wrote: >> >>> My question is this: where in the world-- if anywhere-- is there >>> such >>> a scene like early-80's New York taking place? i.e. a place where >>> artists and musicians can make a decent-- maybe even good-- living? >>> >>> >>> -ken >>> >> >> bruce tovsky >> >> www.skeletonhome.com >> >> >> "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in >> it.." >> >> Philip K. Dick >> > > -- > ~DaveSeidel = [ > http://mysterybear.net, > http://daveseidel.tumblr.com, > http://twitter.com/DaveSeidel > ]; > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From kim at anechoicmedia.com Fri Feb 6 17:38:02 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:38:02 -0800 Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) Message-ID: > well i'm sure that kim will chime in here, but there are definitely > more opportunities in the EU and elsewhere in the world than in the > US. amen to that! and why I'm now an Italian citizen From linton5.0 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 17:52:08 2009 From: linton5.0 at gmail.com (david linton) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:52:08 -0500 Subject: [microsound] downtown 80's Message-ID: > Kim Cascone wrote: >>> and i should add that Rhys and Glenn were developing their ideas at >>> the same time, in the highly charged, creative stew that was the NYC >>> downtown art scene in the late 70's - early 80's. lots of really >>> interesting musical ideas/bands: DNA, Liquid Liquid, Y Pants, >>> Contortions, Mars, Lydia Lunch et al. combine that with Philip Glass, >>> Laurie Anderson, Steve Reich, etc. and BOOM. >> >> some coffee thoughts: >> I lived and worked in Manhattan around that time and attended the >> Noise Fest at the White Columns on Spring St in '81 >> (I even managed to 'find' poster for it and now hangs in my studio) >> Sonic Youth, Glenn Branca and Rhys Chatham all played at the Noise >> Fest >> in addition to a lesser known downtown guitar ensemble headed by >> Jeffery Lohn and who I auditioned for >> but I saw Rhys play at the Mudd Club or Club 57 (can't remember >> which) where his percussionist played metal poles with ball-peen >> hammers >> a very intense concert so say the least and in some ways more >> interesting than Glenn's work that would have been me with ball peen hammers on the steel pipes at the mudd club (or coulda been club 57 as well as we played both places) -this version of rhy's band was called "the din" and only existed for about 18 months the piece was called 64 short stories and was never published or recorded although it was performed at rhys "retrospective" at the kitchen (later that year?) i did the "arrangements" for the percussion - etc.... >> but I was big fans of both of them glenn and rhys..... rhenn and glys... on and on.... >> a few years later I saw Glenn speak at the Exploritorium in SF so I >> chatted with him a little afterwards about the NY scene and why I >> moved to SF >> >> I would have to say that some of the context for this was 'New Music' >> as mashed up with the 'No Wave' music happening in NY around that time that's pretty accurate far as i'm concerned >> and there was a lot of cultural cross breeding going on then >> witness the New Music America festivals and Ear Magazine which were >> both based in NYC and which helped to stir the 'creative stew' that >> Bruce mentioned >> >> I had a friend who played in Glenn's ensemble (before Glenn got >> famous) and he told me this story about how Glenn knew almost nothing >> about rock music and rock guitar techniques >> so he continually asked my friend to play him 'historical' rock 'n >> roll records and explain to him how certain guitar pedals were used >> in making rock guitar sounds i believe you might have them switched here... initially glenn was way more the rock guy (he was for certain a big roxy music fan b 4 moving down to ny from boston) of the 2 rhys was by far the real "new music" geek by comparison... glenns first compositions actually used the fretboard on the guitar rhys had developed a means for getting the most sound out of a 6 stringer without needing any guitar technique at all - all open neck strumming - etc of course they very quickly learned each others tricks - etc... but really nobody was using stop boxes of any kind initially.... the music required real amp driven overdrive not fuzz boxes -etc... >> >> also, I had the pleasure of seeing DNA play at CBGB's several times >> and think Arto Lindsay is one of the most original guitarists of his >> time >> his playing in DNA astounds me to this day and totally shifted how I >> thought of the 'guitar' agreed here that DNA was and remains the most astonishing musical departure within rock instrumentation ever known then and since... otherwise far as there ever being another downtown ny in the 80's.... we should all just grin and bear it and get on with life as we know it... sorry i couldn't just sit this one out in the lurker lane cheers, ?dL >> only to be further damaged by Keith Rowe and Fred Frith later on >> my Berklee College of Music education never looked so provincial as >> during that time >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From chmafu at nocords.net Fri Feb 6 19:07:29 2009 From: chmafu at nocords.net (chmafu nocords) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:07:29 +0100 Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498CD0C1.6010606@nocords.net> I second that. I live in Austria and there is a very interesting music scene here. But Italy is crazy. Don't ask my why! I don't know if they make much (or any) money (and I doubt it) but there is so much great music coming from Italy. I'd also include Scandinavia into the mix. One pretty happy European (and I do not have to say that it's still terribly hard here), maru > well i'm sure that kim will chime in here, but there are definitely > > more opportunities in the EU and elsewhere in the world than in the > > US. > > amen to that! and why I'm now an Italian citizen > -- chmafu nocords - http://www.nocords.net http://www.cafeshops.com/chmafu_nocords supported by SKE http://www.ske-fonds.at/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know if they make much > (or any) money (and I doubt it) but there is so much great music > coming from Italy. > I'd also include Scandinavia into the mix. > > One pretty happy European (and I do not have to say that it's still > terribly hard here), > maru > > >> well i'm sure that kim will chime in here, but there are definitely >> > more opportunities in the EU and elsewhere in the world than in the >> > US. >> >> amen to that! and why I'm now an Italian citizen >> > > -- > chmafu nocords - http://www.nocords.net > http://www.cafeshops.com/chmafu_nocords > > supported by SKE > http://www.ske-fonds.at/ > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound - http://www.moozak.org http://www.myspace.com/clemenshausch http://www.unfinishedbusiness.at http://www.myspace.com/klubmoozak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090207/59326a49/attachment.htm From jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net Fri Feb 6 20:45:47 2009 From: jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net (John Hopkins) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:45:47 -0700 Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) In-Reply-To: <498CD0C1.6010606@nocords.net> References: <498CD0C1.6010606@nocords.net> Message-ID: >I second that. >I live in Austria and there is a very interesting music scene here. But Italy is crazy. Don't ask my why! I don't know if they make much (or any) money (and I doubt it) but there is so much great music coming from Italy. >I'd also include Scandinavia into the mix. yeah, after 20 years of Euro media art work and teaching in DE, NL, BE, FI, NO, IS, UK, CZ, FR, AT, and the Baltic States -- compared to the US, things have been much better on the east side of the Atlantic than on the west... The relatively abundant flow of subsidies to culture and education has kept me pretty busy (though not rich). And many European friends do quite well as working artists between occasional teaching, residencies, commissions, stipends, and awards. That said, the evolution in Europe is towards US models of capitalism which don't give a damn about education and culture (another words, the Eurozone is under a lot of pressure to drop cultural and social subsidies in order to remain competitive in a global market). The most recent economic collapse may slow this evolution, but I think it will also put an enormous pressure on the culture sector to cut back what have been pretty lavish funding (esp. compared to the US)... One of the biggest problems in the US is that the almost total lack of cultural funding has driven artists into academia with IMHO disasterous results -- the isolation of what could be a great cultural sector in 'ivory towers' which are more or less disconnected from a vibrant mixed local communities.. And, having just spent most of last year living, working, and teaching in Berlin, things are pretty darn active there still -- there is a tremendous number of artists from around the globe who are landing there, and any night of the week you can find interesting sonic things happening (among many other art expressions...)... I lived in NYC in Chelsea in the mid-80's working in the photo biz and one thing to be said about NYC then was it was fuckin' dangerous -- crack was really hitting the place and gun were rampant -- Chelsea was downright bad, absolutely nothing of what it is now. As for the art scene, there were cool things happening, but IMHO, not exceeding Berlin these days. And the thing about Europe that I really appreciate is that in most places you can walk around without a fear of getting gunned down! I have always believed that there are times and places that come and go for energized intersections of people, funding, housing, politics, and talent... the US hasn't had that in a long time, except on some more localized convocations of folks, one can only hope (and work towards situations) that arise in the future... It's mostly about people coming together... On amazing example of Euro-abundance was a situation that functioned in Denmark for a time -- where any group of 5 or more people could come together chosing a subject that they wanted to study (say, performance, or film or something more obscure), and the state would pay for a teacher, a place for study, and the materials necessary! WOW, imagine that! Having microsound clusters in towns across the US, each with small production studios! dream on... jh From kim at anechoicmedia.com Fri Feb 6 22:13:32 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:13:32 -0800 Subject: [microsound] downtown 80's Message-ID: <555F44F4-E523-4815-B0F5-77E1ED21E718@anechoicmedia.com> > i believe you might have them switched here... initially glenn was way > more the rock guy (he was for certain a big roxy music fan b > 4 moving down to ny from boston) > @David wow! -- that was you on ball peen hammer? that concert totally left me speechless -- one of the most powerful concerts I have ever heard but my friend was indeed in Branca's guitar army (not Rhys) but this was way before even Rhys was known as 'the other' guitar noise guy this would have been in the mid to late 70's -- my friend, Chip Duyck, was a painter at Parsons who had gained fleeting fame with his street intersection portraits of Andy Warhol done with masking tape he and I were in a little art band and he would tell me stories about his time in Branca's army and unless I'm remembering wrong his version was that Glenn knew little of rock 'n roll guitar technique (possibly knew of the music) but would beg Chip to bring in records to listen to also, a club I was trying to remember last post: the Squat Club -- a lesser known but still an amazing club where I saw many great bands including UT, Bern Nix, Lounge Lizards, James Chance, Bush Tetras and Y Pants... but agreed on getting over the NYC 80's scene there is too much good music still happening to get nostalgic for something in the past thanks for de-lurking David and nice to meet you! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll write more about it later when I've had some time to think about it :) From laskurg at yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 22:22:33 2009 From: laskurg at yahoo.com (Andrew Thompson) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:22:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) In-Reply-To: <21363FBA-4054-44F6-858A-B098A9BF5E33@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <209883.83685.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think facebook should help make such a sort of project easier, so long as people don't lie about where they live. --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Kim Cascone wrote: From: Kim Cascone Subject: Re: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) To: microsound at microsound.org Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 10:17 PM >> WOW, imagine that! Having microsound clusters in towns across the >> US, each with small production studios! ah micro-soviets! warms my heart to think of it! :) but also an interesting idea -- we should explore this some on the list anyone have any ideas w/r/t what John is describing? I'll write more about it later when I've had some time to think about it :) _______________________________________________ microsound mailing list microsound at microsound.org http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090206/2a9c88c7/attachment.htm From vze26m98 at optonline.net Sat Feb 7 00:27:29 2009 From: vze26m98 at optonline.net (Charles Turner) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 00:27:29 -0500 Subject: [microsound] downtown 80's In-Reply-To: <555F44F4-E523-4815-B0F5-77E1ED21E718@anechoicmedia.com> References: <555F44F4-E523-4815-B0F5-77E1ED21E718@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <20090207002729897655.498c5531@optonline.net> On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:13:32 -0800, Kim Cascone wrote: > also, a club I was trying to remember last post: the Squat Club Squat Theatre? Best, C From ken at restivo.org Mon Feb 9 01:31:42 2009 From: ken at restivo.org (Ken Restivo) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:31:42 -0800 Subject: [microsound] RPM Challenge In-Reply-To: <4491511F83004BD28F6C31092BFFDE8B@toshibauser> References: <4491511F83004BD28F6C31092BFFDE8B@toshibauser> Message-ID: <20090209063142.GB8460@aieee.restivo.org> On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 02:03:37PM -0500, Michael Palace wrote: > I also want to mention this project my small town started a few years ago. > > http://www.rpmchallenge.com/ > basically it is a challenge for people to record an album in the month of > FEB. 10 songs or 35 minutes of music. i did it the first two years, got > some airplay on our National Public Radio Station. I actually did 4 > projects each year (2006, 2007). I skipped 2008. > > This year I will likely only do one with a guy I know here in town. It is > open to the world. First year was local and there were 200 bands. The > other years it was open to the world and 800 people completed it. Thought > you all might want to give it a go. > I participated in RPM08 this last year with a group of Linux-based musicians (http://packet-in.org). We created the first collaboration CD made completely via Linux with tracks constructed via sharing over the Internet. It was not microsound-y at all, but certainly fun. I'd recommend any group of people to try it. Like the Infinite Jest or the Pi projects, RPM can provide the kind of focus and/or deadline that can result in interesting collaborations. -ken From catsed at libero.it Mon Feb 9 10:21:38 2009 From: catsed at libero.it (nicola catalano) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:21:38 +0100 Subject: [microsound] test, please ignore In-Reply-To: <20090207002729897655.498c5531@optonline.net> References: <555F44F4-E523-4815-B0F5-77E1ED21E718@anechoicmedia.com> <20090207002729897655.498c5531@optonline.net> Message-ID: just testing... From bruce at skeletonhome.com Mon Feb 9 10:35:02 2009 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:35:02 -0500 Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) In-Reply-To: <21363FBA-4054-44F6-858A-B098A9BF5E33@anechoicmedia.com> References: <21363FBA-4054-44F6-858A-B098A9BF5E33@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: interesting thought, and somewhat parallels an idea i've been having lately regarding teaching and the current paradigm of teaching multimedia at the college level. the more i speak with friends and associates who teach the more i feel drawn to setting up something similar to this "microclassroom" idea, though more spun off of a mentor/apprenticeship model that a teaching model. more about inspiration and problem solving than an environment of data input and analysis. b On Feb 6, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: >>> WOW, imagine that! Having microsound clusters in towns across the >>> US, each with small production studios! > > ah micro-soviets! warms my heart to think of it! :) > but also an interesting idea -- we should explore this some on the > list > anyone have any ideas w/r/t what John is describing? > I'll write more about it later when I've had some time to think > about it > :) > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From bruce at skeletonhome.com Mon Feb 9 10:41:45 2009 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:41:45 -0500 Subject: [microsound] downtown 80's In-Reply-To: <20090207002729897655.498c5531@optonline.net> References: <555F44F4-E523-4815-B0F5-77E1ED21E718@anechoicmedia.com> <20090207002729897655.498c5531@optonline.net> Message-ID: <7506B72B-671C-4EC9-974C-EC33E93B4AB1@skeletonhome.com> squat theatre was the place you're thinking of - a fun venue. i remember vividly seeing (and taping) a fantastic show there by fred frith and bob ostertag in the early 80's. squat seemed (in my memory anyway) a more "eurocentric" oriented venue, with a stream of innovative musical visions from across the pond. glad to see david l showing up here to drop a word or two - he is the man! best b On Feb 7, 2009, at 12:27 AM, Charles Turner wrote: > On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:13:32 -0800, Kim Cascone wrote: >> also, a club I was trying to remember last post: the Squat Club > > Squat Theatre? > > Best, C > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Reality is whatever refuses to go away when I stop believing in it.." 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So much is possible with free/open-source software these days... -Jason On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Bruce Tovsky wrote: > interesting thought, and somewhat parallels an idea i've been having > lately regarding teaching and the current paradigm of teaching > multimedia at the college level. the more i speak with friends and > associates who teach the more i feel drawn to setting up something > similar to this "microclassroom" idea, though more spun off of a > mentor/apprenticeship model that a teaching model. more about > inspiration and problem solving than an environment of data input and > analysis. > b > > On Feb 6, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > > >>> WOW, imagine that! Having microsound clusters in towns across the > >>> US, each with small production studios! > > > > ah micro-soviets! warms my heart to think of it! :) > > but also an interesting idea -- we should explore this some on the > > list > > anyone have any ideas w/r/t what John is describing? > > I'll write more about it later when I've had some time to think > > about it > > :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From kathykennedy at sympatico.ca Mon Feb 9 11:16:17 2009 From: kathykennedy at sympatico.ca (kathy kennedy) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:16:17 -0500 Subject: [microsound] microsound Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: NYC in 00's Hi list, I'll be in NYC from feb. 19-23. Any interesting audio art that I just have to see??? thanks, KK http://www.kathykennedy.ca From bruce at skeletonhome.com Mon Feb 9 11:21:50 2009 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:21:50 -0500 Subject: [microsound] downtown 80's In-Reply-To: <20090209110044844114.f361564e@optonline.net> References: <555F44F4-E523-4815-B0F5-77E1ED21E718@anechoicmedia.com> <20090207002729897655.498c5531@optonline.net> <7506B72B-671C-4EC9-974C-EC33E93B4AB1@skeletonhome.com> <20090209110044844114.f361564e@optonline.net> Message-ID: <9C6D4C6D-0044-4FE7-B7B7-C741D9C92D1D@skeletonhome.com> well, the squat website sure jogged my memory.... forget what i said about "eurocentric".... maybe that was my own eurocentric tastes (of those times) talking.... and how could i have forgotent Etron Fou Leloubland! wild! (got them on tape too.) got to dig that out.... cheers b On Feb 9, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Charles Turner wrote: > On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:41:45 -0500, Bruce Tovsky wrote: >> quat theatre was the place you're thinking of - a fun venue. >> > squat seemed (in my memory >> anyway) a more "eurocentric" oriented venue, with a stream of >> innovative musical visions from across the pond. > > > > The only time I went there was one New Year's Eve to celebrate with > Sun > Ra and his Arkestra. > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090209/fc75e603/attachment.htm From kim at anechoicmedia.com Mon Feb 9 11:41:12 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:41:12 -0800 Subject: [microsound] downtown 80's Message-ID: <0902674E-A9F6-4C01-B909-AF53BC506D0D@anechoicmedia.com> > squat theatre was the place you're thinking of - a fun venue. yes, Squat Theater that's the place...I heard a DJ spin 'Warm Leatherette' there for the very first time - knocked my sox off > i > remember vividly seeing (and taping) a fantastic show there by fred > frith and bob ostertag in the early 80's. I saw them do that concert at PASS > squat seemed (in my memory > anyway) a more "eurocentric" oriented venue, with a stream of > innovative musical visions from across the pond. Sun Ra used to perform there a lot -- a great place with a lot of energy - sort of like Max's Kansas City without the heroin - well, at least less of it I suppose From bbrace at eskimo.com Mon Feb 9 15:17:20 2009 From: bbrace at eskimo.com ({ brad brace }) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:17:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) In-Reply-To: <7a37090d0902090800jde65960y6116cc5942754fee@mail.gmail.com> References: <21363FBA-4054-44F6-858A-B098A9BF5E33@anechoicmedia.com> <7a37090d0902090800jde65960y6116cc5942754fee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: it all gets institutionally-perverted/hacked... there were independent early online classrooms (http://bbrace.net/education.html) -- see _Athena University_ links at bottom (I had an open online studio where students could drop-by): it's now been hacked by some Istanbul spam-site ;) from the NY 80's, I remember street bonfires in AlphaVille and missing ('recycled') manholecovers /:b On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Jason Wehmhoener wrote: > Does the classroom need to be physical? So much is possible with > free/open-source software these days... > > -Jason > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Bruce Tovsky wrote: > > > interesting thought, and somewhat parallels an idea i've been having > > lately regarding teaching and the current paradigm of teaching > > multimedia at the college level. the more i speak with friends and > > associates who teach the more i feel drawn to setting up something > > similar to this "microclassroom" idea, though more spun off of a > > mentor/apprenticeship model that a teaching model. more about > > inspiration and problem solving than an environment of data input and > > analysis. > > b > > > > On Feb 6, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > > > > >>> WOW, imagine that! Having microsound clusters in towns across the > > >>> US, each with small production studios! > > > > > > ah micro-soviets! warms my heart to think of it! :) > > > but also an interesting idea -- we should explore this some on the > > > list > > > anyone have any ideas w/r/t what John is describing? > > > I'll write more about it later when I've had some time to think > > > about it > > > :) From jasonw22 at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 15:23:30 2009 From: jasonw22 at gmail.com (Jason Wehmhoener) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:23:30 -0800 Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) In-Reply-To: References: <21363FBA-4054-44F6-858A-B098A9BF5E33@anechoicmedia.com> <7a37090d0902090800jde65960y6116cc5942754fee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a37090d0902091223j7bcc34cdn10b3889d81771c05@mail.gmail.com> Spam is definitely a problem, one for which there are multiple potential solutions. Yet another subject ripe for edification, no? (I'm certainly not dismissing the significance or value of bonfires, manhole covers, or other forms of physicality, I just don't happen to live in a big city currently) -Jason On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:17 PM, { brad brace } wrote: > > it all gets institutionally-perverted/hacked... there were > independent early online classrooms > (http://bbrace.net/education.html) -- see _Athena > University_ links at bottom (I had an open online studio > where students could drop-by): it's now been hacked by some > Istanbul spam-site ;) > > from the NY 80's, I remember street bonfires in AlphaVille > and missing ('recycled') manholecovers > > /:b > > > > On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Jason Wehmhoener wrote: > > > Does the classroom need to be physical? So much is possible with > > free/open-source software these days... > > > > -Jason > > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Bruce Tovsky > wrote: > > > > > interesting thought, and somewhat parallels an idea i've been having > > > lately regarding teaching and the current paradigm of teaching > > > multimedia at the college level. the more i speak with friends and > > > associates who teach the more i feel drawn to setting up something > > > similar to this "microclassroom" idea, though more spun off of a > > > mentor/apprenticeship model that a teaching model. more about > > > inspiration and problem solving than an environment of data input and > > > analysis. > > > b > > > > > > On Feb 6, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > > > > > > >>> WOW, imagine that! Having microsound clusters in towns across the > > > >>> US, each with small production studios! > > > > > > > > ah micro-soviets! warms my heart to think of it! :) > > > > but also an interesting idea -- we should explore this some on the > > > > list > > > > anyone have any ideas w/r/t what John is describing? > > > > I'll write more about it later when I've had some time to think > > > > about it > > > > :) > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090209/d3f705cd/attachment-0001.htm From nowerik at telia.com Mon Feb 9 18:55:01 2009 From: nowerik at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Eriksson?=) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:55:01 +0100 Subject: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) References: <21363FBA-4054-44F6-858A-B098A9BF5E33@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <1212728D75744CE989671F74CA6E63E4@pcuk> Just a short reply on this interesting thread. Here in Sweden these study circles have been existing long time and still does, even if it is less and less these days. So yes, it is possible to receive some funding for having microsound study circles here in Sweden if there is a serious approach and enough people attending these courses. Not needed to be very many, maybe it is this 5 people can be the lower limit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Study_circle The funding can be received from the educational associations that exists from many different interests and parties, here is the main one to political left in Sweden. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbetarnas_bildningsf%C3%B6rbund The same structure about studie circles and educational associations exists in all Scandinavia to my knowledge. I am not sure about other countries in Europe but I should guess that at least Germany has something like this aswell. /Bj?rn Eriksson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cascone" To: Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [microsound] New York in the 80's (was Rhys Chatham) >>> WOW, imagine that! Having microsound clusters in towns across the >>> US, each with small production studios! > > ah micro-soviets! warms my heart to think of it! :) > but also an interesting idea -- we should explore this some on the list > anyone have any ideas w/r/t what John is describing? > I'll write more about it later when I've had some time to think about it > :) > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From kim at anechoicmedia.com Tue Feb 10 15:24:14 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:24:14 -0800 Subject: [microsound] 'laptopmusik ist tot' desktop Message-ID: <1234297454.18165.3.camel@kim> I've uploaded a 1280x584 .png of my 'laptopmusik ist tot' sticker to the repository in misc/graphics... been using it on my netbook and it looks pretty cool From hasse at algonet.se Tue Feb 10 18:58:19 2009 From: hasse at algonet.se (Hans Erik Nilsson) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:58:19 +0100 Subject: [microsound] 'laptopmusik ist tot' desktop In-Reply-To: <1234297454.18165.3.camel@kim> Message-ID: Den 2009-02-10 21.24, skrev "Kim Cascone" : > I've uploaded a 1280x584 .png of my 'laptopmusik ist tot' sticker to the > repository in misc/graphics... > been using it on my netbook and it looks pretty cool > On that note, the anonymous designer of the "sex, drugs and academic electro-acoustic music" t-shirt design is yet to come forward. Kim, do you have any recollection of who did that design? Naturally, in spite of all the microsounders who have expressed whishes to make the .temp design into the real item, ripping off a fellow designer's work would never be an option. /Warm regards, /Hans From paulo.mouat at gmail.com Tue Feb 10 19:39:53 2009 From: paulo.mouat at gmail.com (Paulo Mouat) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:39:53 -0500 Subject: [microsound] 'laptopmusik ist tot' desktop In-Reply-To: References: <1234297454.18165.3.camel@kim> Message-ID: <424ce300902101639l65d3624bgd54eefe575f78d77@mail.gmail.com> Google is our friend. 15 minutes on it gave me the following information: The author of the text is Trond Lossius and the author of the design is Cedric Alet. This was done around late 2005 and early 2006. Cedric is also the owner of http://www.jerevequejedors.com, and also designed the "Laptop music is dead" microsound t-shirt. Both designs are available on his website: http://www.jerevequejedors.com/v1/microsound.php?lang=en and http://www.jerevequejedors.com/v1/microsoundV2.html //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0 On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Hans Erik Nilsson wrote: > > > > Den 2009-02-10 21.24, skrev "Kim Cascone" : > >> I've uploaded a 1280x584 .png of my 'laptopmusik ist tot' sticker to the >> repository in misc/graphics... >> been using it on my netbook and it looks pretty cool >> > On that note, the anonymous designer of the "sex, drugs and academic > electro-acoustic music" t-shirt design is yet to come forward. Kim, do you > have any recollection of who did that design? Naturally, in spite of all the > microsounders who have expressed whishes to make the .temp design into the > real item, ripping off a fellow designer's work would never be an option. > > /Warm regards, > /Hans > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From hasse at algonet.se Wed Feb 11 02:31:49 2009 From: hasse at algonet.se (Hans Erik Nilsson) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:31:49 +0100 Subject: [microsound] 'laptopmusik ist tot' desktop In-Reply-To: <424ce300902101639l65d3624bgd54eefe575f78d77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your effort, Paulo, but I did the googlesearch a week ago and contacted Cedric. He is not the designer and does not have the original graphics file. /Cheers, /Hans Mr. Hans Erik Nilsson | Voice: +46 73 6636331 | | Standard disclaimer file active | "There are many futures and only one status quo" - Brian Eno Den 2009-02-11 01.39, skrev "Paulo Mouat" : > Google is our friend. 15 minutes on it gave me the following information: > > The author of the text is Trond Lossius and the author of the design > is Cedric Alet. This was done around late 2005 and early 2006. > > Cedric is also the owner of http://www.jerevequejedors.com, and also > designed the "Laptop music is dead" microsound t-shirt. > > Both designs are available on his website: > > http://www.jerevequejedors.com/v1/microsound.php?lang=en and > http://www.jerevequejedors.com/v1/microsoundV2.html > > //p > http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0 > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Hans Erik Nilsson wrote: >> >> >> >> Den 2009-02-10 21.24, skrev "Kim Cascone" : >> >>> I've uploaded a 1280x584 .png of my 'laptopmusik ist tot' sticker to the >>> repository in misc/graphics... >>> been using it on my netbook and it looks pretty cool >>> >> On that note, the anonymous designer of the "sex, drugs and academic >> electro-acoustic music" t-shirt design is yet to come forward. Kim, do you >> have any recollection of who did that design? Naturally, in spite of all the >> microsounders who have expressed whishes to make the .temp design into the >> real item, ripping off a fellow designer's work would never be an option. >> >> /Warm regards, >> /Hans >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From paulo.mouat at gmail.com Wed Feb 11 07:47:13 2009 From: paulo.mouat at gmail.com (Paulo Mouat) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:47:13 -0500 Subject: [microsound] 'laptopmusik ist tot' desktop In-Reply-To: References: <424ce300902101639l65d3624bgd54eefe575f78d77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <424ce300902110447n7c38d072if456858785ed14ec@mail.gmail.com> Still, Cedric had to apply the design into the t-shirt template he uses on his site, no? If he can't remember where it came from then we're out of luck. Have you contacted Trond Lossius? //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0 On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Hans Erik Nilsson wrote: > > Thanks for your effort, Paulo, but I did the googlesearch a week ago and > contacted Cedric. He is not the designer and does not have the original > graphics file. > /Cheers, > /Hans > Mr. Hans Erik Nilsson | Voice: +46 73 6636331 | > | Standard disclaimer file active | > "There are many futures and only one status quo" - Brian Eno > > > Den 2009-02-11 01.39, skrev "Paulo Mouat" : > >> Google is our friend. 15 minutes on it gave me the following information: >> >> The author of the text is Trond Lossius and the author of the design >> is Cedric Alet. This was done around late 2005 and early 2006. >> >> Cedric is also the owner of http://www.jerevequejedors.com, and also >> designed the "Laptop music is dead" microsound t-shirt. >> >> Both designs are available on his website: >> >> http://www.jerevequejedors.com/v1/microsound.php?lang=en and >> http://www.jerevequejedors.com/v1/microsoundV2.html >> >> //p >> http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0 >> >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Hans Erik Nilsson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Den 2009-02-10 21.24, skrev "Kim Cascone" : >>> >>>> I've uploaded a 1280x584 .png of my 'laptopmusik ist tot' sticker to the >>>> repository in misc/graphics... >>>> been using it on my netbook and it looks pretty cool >>>> >>> On that note, the anonymous designer of the "sex, drugs and academic >>> electro-acoustic music" t-shirt design is yet to come forward. Kim, do you >>> have any recollection of who did that design? Naturally, in spite of all the >>> microsounders who have expressed whishes to make the .temp design into the >>> real item, ripping off a fellow designer's work would never be an option. >>> >>> /Warm regards, >>> /Hans >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From kim at anechoicmedia.com Wed Feb 11 17:24:33 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:24:33 -0800 Subject: [microsound] wallpapers for laptops Message-ID: <8C06112A-FAD4-431B-98CB-E20871B8E8D4@anechoicmedia.com> I was working on some graphic projects and made some wallpapers specifically with laptop musicians in mind 3 are in the repository misc/graphics/ have at it From domtetmyer at mac.com Fri Feb 13 14:39:38 2009 From: domtetmyer at mac.com (Dominic Tetmyer) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:39:38 -0700 Subject: [microsound] siftables Message-ID: http://www.ted.com/talks/david_merrill_demos_siftables_the_smart_blocks.html siftables. interactive smart blocks. last 2 minutes of video pertain to music. thoughts anyone? would be awesome imo. dominic -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Feb 14, 2009, at 3:21 AM, Kim Cascone wrote: > a little inspiration for those working on pieces for the Pi Day > microsound project: > pi-fibonacci> > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From js0000 at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 10:57:38 2009 From: js0000 at gmail.com (john saylor) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:57:38 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Golden Fib In-Reply-To: <3E28937D-5A43-4128-9E3A-E6AF3E7D20DD@anechoicmedia.com> References: <3E28937D-5A43-4128-9E3A-E6AF3E7D20DD@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Kim Cascone wrote: > nice link- number artists use structural maths for imaginative conceptions -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] From kim at anechoicmedia.com Sun Feb 15 16:23:56 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:23:56 -0800 Subject: [microsound] [non-promotional] essay published Message-ID: <22D280C9-AD8E-4CA3-AB4E-F06FDE2A7763@anechoicmedia.com> http://geometer.org.uk/mag/?p=88 From picnet at urlme.net Sun Feb 15 17:01:49 2009 From: picnet at urlme.net (Mike) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:01:49 +0200 Subject: [microsound] [non-promotional] essay published In-Reply-To: <22D280C9-AD8E-4CA3-AB4E-F06FDE2A7763@anechoicmedia.com> References: <22D280C9-AD8E-4CA3-AB4E-F06FDE2A7763@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: "Once we escape the tyranny of directed attention and remove our frame we find ourselves cast adrift in the meshing and mixing of indeterminate sounds forming a flux-field of energy," Excellent essay, I didn't spot any notion of representing the field as the person moves though it? was the focus more on stationary recording and allowing the listener to 'be' there with context? I *really* want to be able to visualize that field, I don't mean to record it (more on that later) but to actually make a 3D scan of something (check) and then plot the acoustic interference patterns sound makes over the object (not checked) - finite element analysis may get me closer to this goal, but imagine the possibilities for microphone research, dummy heads, and hydrophone structures - Im more into the shapes and exploring those from nature that really work the best rather than sticking with tradition. Recent example, what if bat ears were placed on a dummy head, how would they sound? or other "ears" and objects. Mapping a sound field, where do I sign up to start planting microphone flowers? Thats an interesting project in itself... I once tried this with two binaural rigs, I got my friend at work interested in binaural recording, I made him a set of binaural headphones (mics) and then we recorded osaka castle simultaneously - I was rather disappointed with the result, it was possible to jump location and switch from one "head" to the other, but any notion of extreme diffuse field was lost when attempting to take the left channel from one head and the right channel from the (other) head, very interesting baudline fodder tho... Beam forming via a mic matrix of is on my to-do list, mic flowers, self contained recorders, micro-sd cards about the size of a battery all synced "somehow" :-) Time to research "audio system on a chip" devices... -Mike. > http://geometer.org.uk/mag/?p=88 > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I approach it in multiple ways, depending on my intentions: If I am making a note-based composition, I don't care much for the micro level (the features I am calling attention to don't require it); if, however, I am making an "event-based" (or, perhaps, "field-based") work, I do care a lot for the micro level. The fun starts when you attempt to mix both. With very few exceptions, all my works fall into this category. They usually consist of micro events expanded and extrapolated to the macro scale. On the topic of scales of sound, I recommend the book "Microsound" by Curtis Roads. //p http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0 From traktorman at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 15:27:54 2009 From: traktorman at gmail.com (tkrakowiak) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:27:54 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Scales of sound In-Reply-To: <20090219170454.5F4F1326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090219170454.5F4F1326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: > sound in different scales of size as opposed to harmonic and melodic sequences. hi, can you explain a little more what you mean by that? thanks t From billjarboe at earthlink.net Fri Feb 20 02:22:58 2009 From: billjarboe at earthlink.net (Bill Jarboe) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:22:58 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Scales of sound In-Reply-To: <20090219170454.5F4F1326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090219170454.5F4F1326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On Feb 19, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Manannan Mac Lir wrote: > I was more referring to scales of acoustics in the sense of working > with micro "grains" and macro "tones" in terms of whether people > saw sound in different scales of size as opposed to harmonic and > melodic sequences, I wasn't very about that clear in my last e- > mail, apologies. > Hi, To tell the truth : at first I thought it was a rather ridiculous request. After a bit of thought ( not dsd , just a bit of thought) and when coupled with practical experience it made some sense. No textual , or textural answer of my own . I recall being inspired by reading Karlheinz Stockhausen's 'Towards a Cosmic Music' . If you're keen on Stockhausen , it's a good read , and if you aren't keen on Stockhausen you might like him alot more after looking at the book. Amazon.com looked rather pricey ( 91 $ and something for a paperback) so I found these: http://www.bookfinder.com/dir/i/Towards_a_Cosmic_Music/1852300841/ http://www.word-power.co.uk/books/towards-a-cosmic-music-I9781852300845/ I think you're bang on target thinking about the macro and the micro. Recently I've found some of the most grandiose ideas turn out to be quite simple, and inconsequential ; or almost inconsequential appearances to have massive implications . Don't worry( about me) though , there's lots of in-between . Good luck and all that Bill From kim at anechoicmedia.com Fri Feb 20 14:00:15 2009 From: kim at anechoicmedia.com (Kim Cascone) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:00:15 -0800 Subject: [microsound] [ot] need help testing Message-ID: <51EE2D32-0945-41E3-BA3C-1F614729ADDC@anechoicmedia.com> need help testing the anechoic store from item selection all the way to Paypal checkout but *not* consummating the sale [unless you want to of course] store.anechoicmedia.com contact me if you have time to help test? thanks! From sushi1eater at yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 11:51:17 2009 From: sushi1eater at yahoo.com (sushi eater) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:51:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] [ot] need help testing References: <51EE2D32-0945-41E3-BA3C-1F614729ADDC@anechoicmedia.com> Message-ID: <215663.77224.qm@web32604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll test it. We can complete the sale too for Astrum Argentum. 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URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090223/28bea856/attachment-0001.htm From news at ostrowski.info Mon Feb 23 09:39:38 2009 From: news at ostrowski.info (mattyo) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:39:38 -0500 Subject: [microsound] cycling74 and Max/MSP -discussion In-Reply-To: References: <20090219145903.80AF4326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> <499D7BD1.1010508@frey.co.nz> Message-ID: There isn't one, specifically. At the moment, there is only the forum at www.cycling74.com. \M On Feb 23, 2009, at 8:07 AM, steffen scholl wrote: > hello, > > i m looking for the discussion about Cycling74 an Max/MSP on this > mailing-list? > where can i find this? > > thanks, steff > > PC Entertainment, wann und wo Sie wollen. Jetzt > erleben._______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From bruce at skeletonhome.com Mon Feb 23 10:25:22 2009 From: bruce at skeletonhome.com (Bruce Tovsky) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:25:22 -0500 Subject: [microsound] cycling74 and Max/MSP -discussion In-Reply-To: References: <20090219145903.80AF4326774@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> <499D7BD1.1010508@frey.co.nz> Message-ID: well that's not precisely true, as trond lossius has started an alternative max mailing list at: max at bek.no it's gaining momentum.... cheers b On Feb 23, 2009, at 9:39 AM, mattyo wrote: > There isn't one, specifically. At the moment, there is only the forum > at www.cycling74.com. > > \M > > > On Feb 23, 2009, at 8:07 AM, steffen scholl wrote: > >> hello, >> >> i m looking for the discussion about Cycling74 an Max/MSP on this >> mailing-list? >> where can i find this? >> >> thanks, steff >> >> PC Entertainment, wann und wo Sie wollen. Jetzt >> erleben._______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From vze26m98 at optonline.net Tue Feb 24 07:35:22 2009 From: vze26m98 at optonline.net (Charles Turner) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:35:22 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Appetite for Self-Destruction... Message-ID: <36F4373F-FBCF-448A-808C-59F1DB0B5C3C@optonline.net> Haven't actually read this, :-) but thought it was worth passing along anyway: C From jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net Tue Feb 24 13:29:30 2009 From: jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net (John Hopkins) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:29:30 -0700 Subject: [microsound] Columbia MO events connections? In-Reply-To: <36F4373F-FBCF-448A-808C-59F1DB0B5C3C@optonline.net> References: <36F4373F-FBCF-448A-808C-59F1DB0B5C3C@optonline.net> Message-ID: <49A43C8A.5040905@tech-no-mad.net> Hey folks -- anybody in the community based in or knows anything about Columbia, Missouri? I'll be visiting friends there for the next three weeks, probably doing a lecture at the Art Dept or in the IT dept... cheers, John From vze26m98 at optonline.net Wed Feb 25 09:46:03 2009 From: vze26m98 at optonline.net (Charles Turner) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:46:03 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? Message-ID: <0F940715-6A7B-4875-BFE9-FDDA40990B47@optonline.net> Hey- I searched through the old list archives, and had an enjoyable time reading a long thread about writings that were "ambient" in character, but there were almost no references to folks' favorite writings on the genre. Any suggestions? Thanks, Charles From traktorman at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 17:25:20 2009 From: traktorman at gmail.com (tkrakowiak) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:25:20 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? In-Reply-To: <0F940715-6A7B-4875-BFE9-FDDA40990B47@optonline.net> References: <0F940715-6A7B-4875-BFE9-FDDA40990B47@optonline.net> Message-ID: hello some of Cortazar short stories are almost standstill. also Bruno Schulz's 'Cinnamon Shops' but i guess that is a matter of how you describe ambient 2009/2/25 Charles Turner : > Hey- > > I searched through the old list archives, and had an enjoyable time > reading a long thread about writings that were "ambient" in character, > but there were almost no references to folks' favorite writings on the > genre. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, Charles > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > From palace at guero.sr.unh.edu Wed Feb 25 21:05:38 2009 From: palace at guero.sr.unh.edu (Michael Palace) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:05:38 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? References: <0F940715-6A7B-4875-BFE9-FDDA40990B47@optonline.net> Message-ID: I found House of Leaves very ambient for me. I was given it by a friend and read while my wife was away for two months. Alone in a house in New Hampshire during the winter can be very interesting. It inspired me to work on a soundtrack oriented concept album. I hope this is not considered self-promotional here (as I understand the rules of the group), but here is the link to the work that House of Leaves inspired. It is a free download. http://www.darkwinter.com/dw047.html Quote from the description " Around the same time I read House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski. I'd like to say that that excellent book influenced this project. It did and it did not. I felt that the soundtrack to such a house in the book would be single sounds, placed in an audio field of dead silence, with not even reverberations of the space that one was in." Mike Palace horchata ----- Original Message ----- From: "tkrakowiak" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? > hello > some of Cortazar short stories are almost standstill. also Bruno > Schulz's 'Cinnamon Shops' but i guess that is a matter of how you > describe ambient > > > > > 2009/2/25 Charles Turner : >> Hey- >> >> I searched through the old list archives, and had an enjoyable time >> reading a long thread about writings that were "ambient" in character, >> but there were almost no references to folks' favorite writings on the >> genre. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks, Charles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >> > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From craque at craque.net Thu Feb 26 11:45:22 2009 From: craque at craque.net (CraqueMat) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:45:22 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? In-Reply-To: References: <0F940715-6A7B-4875-BFE9-FDDA40990B47@optonline.net> Message-ID: <49A6C722.1040005@craque.net> great great book. dunno if i'd consider it "ambient writing" but it definitely garners strong feelings of space, which maybe that's what "ambient" is all about. Michael Palace wrote: > I found House of Leaves very ambient for me. I was given it by a friend and > read while my wife was away for two months. Alone in a house in New > Hampshire during the winter can be very interesting. It inspired me to work > on a soundtrack oriented concept album. I hope this is not considered > self-promotional here (as I understand the rules of the group), but here is > the link to the work that House of Leaves inspired. It is a free download. > > http://www.darkwinter.com/dw047.html > > Quote from the description " Around the same time I read House of Leaves by > Mark Z. Danielewski. I'd like to say that that excellent book influenced > this project. It did and it did not. I felt that the soundtrack to such a > house in the book would be single sounds, placed in an audio field of dead > silence, with not even reverberations of the space that one was in." > > Mike Palace > horchata > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tkrakowiak" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? > > >> hello >> some of Cortazar short stories are almost standstill. also Bruno >> Schulz's 'Cinnamon Shops' but i guess that is a matter of how you >> describe ambient >> >> >> >> >> 2009/2/25 Charles Turner : >>> Hey- >>> >>> I searched through the old list archives, and had an enjoyable time >>> reading a long thread about writings that were "ambient" in character, >>> but there were almost no references to folks' favorite writings on the >>> genre. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, Charles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> microsound mailing list >>> microsound at microsound.org >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From lastnightsofparis at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 12:05:07 2009 From: lastnightsofparis at gmail.com (David Eng) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:05:07 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? In-Reply-To: <49A6C722.1040005@craque.net> References: <0F940715-6A7B-4875-BFE9-FDDA40990B47@optonline.net> <49A6C722.1040005@craque.net> Message-ID: One of my favorite authors, Tan Lin, has developed a general concept of "ambient stylistics" which he employs through his writing. http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Lin.html "Blip Soak 01" is a kind of ambient long poem/novel. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:45 AM, CraqueMat wrote: > great great book. > > dunno if i'd consider it "ambient writing" but it definitely garners > strong feelings of space, which maybe that's what "ambient" is all about. > > Michael Palace wrote: > > I found House of Leaves very ambient for me. I was given it by a friend > and > > read while my wife was away for two months. Alone in a house in New > > Hampshire during the winter can be very interesting. It inspired me to > work > > on a soundtrack oriented concept album. I hope this is not considered > > self-promotional here (as I understand the rules of the group), but here > is > > the link to the work that House of Leaves inspired. It is a free > download. > > > > http://www.darkwinter.com/dw047.html > > > > Quote from the description " Around the same time I read House of Leaves > by > > Mark Z. Danielewski. I'd like to say that that excellent book influenced > > this project. It did and it did not. I felt that the soundtrack to such a > > house in the book would be single sounds, placed in an audio field of > dead > > silence, with not even reverberations of the space that one was in." > > > > Mike Palace > > horchata > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "tkrakowiak" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? > > > > > >> hello > >> some of Cortazar short stories are almost standstill. also Bruno > >> Schulz's 'Cinnamon Shops' but i guess that is a matter of how you > >> describe ambient > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/2/25 Charles Turner : > >>> Hey- > >>> > >>> I searched through the old list archives, and had an enjoyable time > >>> reading a long thread about writings that were "ambient" in character, > >>> but there were almost no references to folks' favorite writings on the > >>> genre. > >>> > >>> Any suggestions? > >>> > >>> Thanks, Charles > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> microsound mailing list > >>> microsound at microsound.org > >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> microsound mailing list > >> microsound at microsound.org > >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090226/8757b9b0/attachment-0001.htm From craque at craque.net Thu Feb 26 12:18:49 2009 From: craque at craque.net (CraqueMat) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:18:49 -0800 Subject: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? In-Reply-To: References: <0F940715-6A7B-4875-BFE9-FDDA40990B47@optonline.net> <49A6C722.1040005@craque.net> Message-ID: <49A6CEF9.5050304@craque.net> very interesting combinatory stuff. also Kenji Siratori, another experimentalist who uses patterns and repetition. try to read Head Code sometime. David Eng wrote: > One of my favorite authors, Tan Lin, has developed a general concept of > "ambient stylistics" which he employs through his writing. > > http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Lin.html > > "Blip Soak 01" is a kind of ambient long poem/novel. > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:45 AM, CraqueMat > wrote: > > great great book. > > dunno if i'd consider it "ambient writing" but it definitely garners > strong feelings of space, which maybe that's what "ambient" is all > about. > > Michael Palace wrote: > > I found House of Leaves very ambient for me. I was given it by a > friend and > > read while my wife was away for two months. Alone in a house in New > > Hampshire during the winter can be very interesting. It inspired > me to work > > on a soundtrack oriented concept album. I hope this is not > considered > > self-promotional here (as I understand the rules of the group), > but here is > > the link to the work that House of Leaves inspired. It is a free > download. > > > > http://www.darkwinter.com/dw047.html > > > > Quote from the description " Around the same time I read House of > Leaves by > > Mark Z. Danielewski. I'd like to say that that excellent book > influenced > > this project. It did and it did not. I felt that the soundtrack > to such a > > house in the book would be single sounds, placed in an audio > field of dead > > silence, with not even reverberations of the space that one was in." > > > > Mike Palace > > horchata > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "tkrakowiak" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? > > > > > >> hello > >> some of Cortazar short stories are almost standstill. also Bruno > >> Schulz's 'Cinnamon Shops' but i guess that is a matter of how you > >> describe ambient > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/2/25 Charles Turner >: > >>> Hey- > >>> > >>> I searched through the old list archives, and had an enjoyable time > >>> reading a long thread about writings that were "ambient" in > character, > >>> but there were almost no references to folks' favorite writings > on the > >>> genre. > >>> > >>> Any suggestions? > >>> > >>> Thanks, Charles > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> microsound mailing list > >>> microsound at microsound.org > >>> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> microsound mailing list > >> microsound at microsound.org > >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From bbrace at eskimo.com Thu Feb 26 13:00:15 2009 From: bbrace at eskimo.com ({ brad brace }) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:00:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? In-Reply-To: <49A6C722.1040005@craque.net> References: <0F940715-6A7B-4875-BFE9-FDDA40990B47@optonline.net> <49A6C722.1040005@craque.net> Message-ID: 'House of Leaves' was online/serialized at one point... I had assumed that it was inspired by Winchester House (San Jose, CA). 'Horchata' sounds filmic/ambient... unexpectedly, rather dark, considering the title. /:b On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, CraqueMat wrote: > great great book. > > dunno if i'd consider it "ambient writing" but it definitely garners > strong feelings of space, which maybe that's what "ambient" is all about. > > Michael Palace wrote: > > I found House of Leaves very ambient for me. I was given it by a friend and > > read while my wife was away for two months. Alone in a house in New > > Hampshire during the winter can be very interesting. It inspired me to work > > on a soundtrack oriented concept album. I hope this is not considered > > self-promotional here (as I understand the rules of the group), but here is > > the link to the work that House of Leaves inspired. It is a free download. > > > > http://www.darkwinter.com/dw047.html > > > > Quote from the description " Around the same time I read House of Leaves by > > Mark Z. Danielewski. I'd like to say that that excellent book influenced > > this project. It did and it did not. I felt that the soundtrack to such a > > house in the book would be single sounds, placed in an audio field of dead > > silence, with not even reverberations of the space that one was in." > > > > Mike Palace > > horchata > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "tkrakowiak" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? > > > > > >> hello > >> some of Cortazar short stories are almost standstill. also Bruno > >> Schulz's 'Cinnamon Shops' but i guess that is a matter of how you > >> describe ambient > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/2/25 Charles Turner : > >>> Hey- > >>> > >>> I searched through the old list archives, and had an enjoyable time > >>> reading a long thread about writings that were "ambient" in character, > >>> but there were almost no references to folks' favorite writings on the > >>> genre. > >>> > >>> Any suggestions? > >>> > >>> Thanks, Charles --- bbs: brad brace sound --- --- http://69.64.229.114:8000 --- From rupanama at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 13:21:47 2009 From: rupanama at gmail.com (g d) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:21:47 -0600 Subject: [microsound] microsound Digest, Vol 2, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles, Craig Child's book of short stories, Soul of Nowhere, might fit the description of "ambient writing." This book describes weeks-long backpacking trips into the deserts of southwestern U.S.A. and northern Mexico. The book always leaves me with a feeling of placement, or context, in that environment---something of a backpacker's Music for Airports. -Greg ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:46:03 -0500 From: Charles Turner Subject: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? Hey- I searched through the old list archives, and had an enjoyable time reading a long thread about writings that were "ambient" in character, but there were almost no references to folks' favorite writings on the genre. Any suggestions? Thanks, Charles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090226/4551cf71/attachment.htm From jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net Thu Feb 26 14:06:53 2009 From: jhopkins at tech-no-mad.net (John Hopkins) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:06:53 -0700 Subject: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? In-Reply-To: References: <0F940715-6A7B-4875-BFE9-FDDA40990B47@optonline.net> <49A6C722.1040005@craque.net> Message-ID: <49A6E84D.8010203@tech-no-mad.net> greets! (after a day of travel and doing field recordings....)... BTW, I'm not sure if I had announced an open participatory project here that a good friend is running -- aporee maps... for locative sound work. http://aporee.org/maps/ I'd be interested in feedback. I am participating under the name "neoscenes" if you do a search in the database... but on the writings on ambient front, I would recommend a writer who I discovered 25 years ago, the recent French Nobel winner, Jean Marie Gustave LeClezio. Hi fiction works (mostly out of print in English translation, but a few newer ones are around since the Nobel award, surely older ones will be reissued soon) -- given the term ambient, his writing is a deep exploration of the ambience of what would be to most a non-descript place. hard to describe, but his works are atmospheric in a microscopic way.... The Book of Flights is my favorite (being a nomad), but The Giants, and The Flood are also excellent ... jh From benreviug at yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 15:41:49 2009 From: benreviug at yahoo.com (guiver ben) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:41:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? In-Reply-To: <49A6E84D.8010203@tech-no-mad.net> Message-ID: <952073.60344.qm@web52002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> well i kindof liked Tony Marcus' chapter in modulations (ed Peter Shapiro), also Simon Reynolds Blissed Out: The Raptures of Rock. Serpent's Tail, August 1990, ISBN 1-85242-199-1 and also Kodwo Eshun's More Brilliant Than...Pauline Oliveros chapter in Audio Culture ("...our ears felt like canyons..."), have also been looking at Haunted Weather by David Toop. trying to read Cyberpositive by Orphan Drift, and havent really managed to take to Attali's Noise. its a pity that Kodwo isnt still writing about music, and i'd like to hear more from Robin Rimbaud (he had a chapter in the most recent book about sampling compiled by Dj Spooky). i suppose that its not necessarily concrete texts about sound that can be illuminating though, although i'm struggling to think about a text that has engaged or influenced me into sound but from a non-specific standpoint/non-literal (ie not necesarily about music or sound) right now, i think its often the way people talk about sound thats helps animate it, or helps me get into it, for example Robin talking once about how his sound installation at the Salles de Departes in France was like "someone theres a window in the room open and someone's learning to play the piano for the first time, about a mile away" ie in the sense that the sound was only just audible in the room --- On Thu, 2/26/09, John Hopkins wrote: > From: John Hopkins > Subject: Re: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? > To: microsound at microsound.org > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 7:06 PM > greets! (after a day of travel and doing field > recordings....)... BTW, > I'm not sure if I had announced an open participatory > project here that > a good friend is running -- aporee maps... for locative > sound work. > http://aporee.org/maps/ I'd be interested in feedback. > I am > participating under the name "neoscenes" if you > do a search in the > database... > > but on the writings on ambient front, I would recommend a > writer who I > discovered 25 years ago, the recent French Nobel winner, > Jean Marie > Gustave LeClezio. Hi fiction works (mostly out of print in > English > translation, but a few newer ones are around since the > Nobel award, > surely older ones will be reissued soon) -- given the term > ambient, his > writing is a deep exploration of the ambience of what would > be to most a > non-descript place. hard to describe, but his works are > atmospheric in > a microscopic way.... > > The Book of Flights is my favorite (being a nomad), but The > Giants, and > The Flood are also excellent ... > > jh > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From palace at guero.sr.unh.edu Thu Feb 26 16:08:28 2009 From: palace at guero.sr.unh.edu (Michael Palace) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:08:28 -0500 Subject: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? References: <952073.60344.qm@web52002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0DECEF8C052D4EE9B7141C5FA9350953@toshibauser> Cyberpositive by Orphan Drift. Cool. I knew that group was doing video work. I have some early video work Orphan drift did for Ocosi and Scorn, around the same time I collaborating with Ocosi. I'd love to visually see what Cyberpositive is like. Mike Palace ----- Original Message ----- From: "guiver ben" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? > > well i kindof liked Tony Marcus' chapter in modulations (ed Peter > Shapiro), also Simon Reynolds Blissed Out: The Raptures of Rock. Serpent's > Tail, August 1990, ISBN 1-85242-199-1 and also Kodwo Eshun's More > Brilliant Than...Pauline Oliveros chapter in Audio Culture ("...our ears > felt like canyons..."), have also been looking at Haunted Weather by David > Toop. > > trying to read Cyberpositive by Orphan Drift, and havent really managed to > take to Attali's Noise. > > its a pity that Kodwo isnt still writing about music, and i'd like to hear > more from Robin Rimbaud (he had a chapter in the most recent book about > sampling compiled by Dj Spooky). > > i suppose that its not necessarily concrete texts about sound that can be > illuminating though, although i'm struggling to think about a text that > has engaged or influenced me into sound but from a non-specific > standpoint/non-literal (ie not necesarily about music or sound) right now, > i think its often the way people talk about sound thats helps animate it, > or helps me get into it, for example Robin talking once about how his > sound installation at the Salles de Departes in France was like "someone > theres a window in the room open and someone's learning to play the piano > for the first time, about a mile away" ie in the sense that the sound was > only just audible in the room > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/26/09, John Hopkins wrote: > >> From: John Hopkins >> Subject: Re: [microsound] Favorite Writings on Ambient Music? >> To: microsound at microsound.org >> Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 7:06 PM >> greets! (after a day of travel and doing field >> recordings....)... BTW, >> I'm not sure if I had announced an open participatory >> project here that >> a good friend is running -- aporee maps... for locative >> sound work. >> http://aporee.org/maps/ I'd be interested in feedback. >> I am >> participating under the name "neoscenes" if you >> do a search in the >> database... >> >> but on the writings on ambient front, I would recommend a >> writer who I >> discovered 25 years ago, the recent French Nobel winner, >> Jean Marie >> Gustave LeClezio. Hi fiction works (mostly out of print in >> English >> translation, but a few newer ones are around since the >> Nobel award, >> surely older ones will be reissued soon) -- given the term >> ambient, his >> writing is a deep exploration of the ambience of what would >> be to most a >> non-descript place. hard to describe, but his works are >> atmospheric in >> a microscopic way.... >> >> The Book of Flights is my favorite (being a nomad), but The >> Giants, and >> The Flood are also excellent ... >> >> jh >> _______________________________________________ >> microsound mailing list >> microsound at microsound.org >> http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From gtaylor at rtqe.net Thu Feb 26 16:40:01 2009 From: gtaylor at rtqe.net (Gregory Taylor) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:40:01 -0600 Subject: [microsound] cycling74 and Max/MSP -discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A70C31.1060305@rtqe.net> As Matt and Bruce have both mentioned, there's plenty of forum stuff at the company website in addition to Trond Lossius' more traditional values mailing list. Both may be of use to you. One of the things I've enjoyed about this list is that it has tended to focus more on a different set of issues than tools, although one's choice of tools will often involve a greater collection of issues and allegiances than mere efficiency. If you have any specific questions that involve the use of the tools themselves, Mr. O. Mr. T. would be good persons to cultivate as friends, as I happen to know they're extremely talented and knowledgeable. I tend to stay well away from this particular subject because a. I have a more direct stake in the discussions due to my relationship with the company, and b. because I like having a place to go and read that isn't just about the tools. That said, I'd be willing to try to answer any questions you may have (offline is best, I think). One of the more interesting features of being associated with a tool like Max [as is certainly the case with Pd, Audiomulch and - to a somewhat lesser extent - Csound] is that it's in wide use across various genre boundaries. While I continue to puzzle at the eruptions of the narcissism of minor difference in those various communities, it's an interesting time to be making choices about the kinds of software one chooses for one's work. I just spent a few pleasant days at the Spark Festival in Minneapolis, and was reminded again that it's a great time to be doing and listening. So, doesn't anyone want to resurrect those great old-timey discussions of "the sound of Supercollider?" :-) From vze26m98 at optonline.net Fri Feb 27 15:15:35 2009 From: vze26m98 at optonline.net (Charles Turner) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:15:35 -0500 Subject: [microsound] From the NY Times, July 21, 1972 Message-ID: "Helmut Laudenberg had a farm, on the outskirts of Cologne, West Germany. And on this farm he had a parrot- and dogs and goats and donkeys and ducks. Mr. Laudenberg, a thatcher by trade, didn't mind the sounds his animals made. But Karlheinz Stockhausen, the composer whose electronic music has been played around the world, was annoyed by the animals din. He hired two lawyers to help silence it. Then the parrot was killed by some stranger's dogs and Mr. Laudenberg built fences and sound barriers. And now things are a lot quieter in that suburban village, called K?rten." James F. Clarity From jcespinosa at aol.com Fri Feb 27 15:43:52 2009 From: jcespinosa at aol.com (jcespinosa at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:43:52 -0500 Subject: [microsound] From the NY Times, July 21, 1972 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB67333C154D8E-1238-16D8@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> I want to set this to some din. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Turner To: microsound at microsound.org Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 3:15 pm Subject: [microsound] From the NY Times, July 21, 1972 "Helmut Laudenberg had a farm, on the outskirts of Cologne, West ermany. And on this farm he had a parrot- and dogs and goats and onkeys and ducks. Mr. Laudenberg, a thatcher by trade, didn't mind he sounds his animals made. But Karlheinz Stockhausen, the composer hose electronic music has been played around the world, was annoyed y the animals din. He hired two lawyers to help silence it. Then the arrot was killed by some stranger's dogs and Mr. Laudenberg built ences and sound barriers. And now things are a lot quieter in that uburban village, called K?rten." James F. Clarity ______________________________________________ icrosound mailing list icrosound at microsound.org ttp://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090227/8e5f3c5a/attachment.htm From billjarboe at earthlink.net Fri Feb 27 22:51:54 2009 From: billjarboe at earthlink.net (Bill Jarboe) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:51:54 -0800 Subject: [microsound] From the NY Times, July 21, 1972 In-Reply-To: <8CB67333C154D8E-1238-16D8@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB67333C154D8E-1238-16D8@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6F70E959-EF20-4508-A121-B4BB9A28FE85@earthlink.net> -don't know much of Masami Akita (Merzbow) , yet I recall a composition 'Quiet Men - Noisy Animals' (or a very similar title) which may have been inspired by that reportage. On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:43 PM, jcespinosa at aol.com wrote: > I want to set this to some din. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Turner > To: microsound at microsound.org > Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 3:15 pm > Subject: [microsound] From the NY Times, July 21, 1972 > > "Helmut Laudenberg had a farm, on the outskirts of Cologne, West > Germany. And on this farm he had a parrot- and dogs and goats and > donkeys and ducks. Mr. Laudenberg, a thatcher by trade, didn't mind > the sounds his animals made. But Karlheinz Stockhausen, the composer > whose electronic music has been played around the world, was annoyed > by the animals din. He hired two lawyers to help silence it. Then the > parrot was killed by some stranger's dogs and Mr. Laudenberg built > fences and sound barriers. And now things are a lot quieter in that > suburban village, called K?rten." > > James F. 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Both may be > of use to you. > > One of the things I've enjoyed about this list is that it has > tended to focus more on a different set of issues than tools, > although one's choice of tools will often involve a greater > collection of issues and allegiances than mere efficiency. > > If you have any specific questions that involve the use of > the tools themselves, Mr. O. Mr. T. would be good persons > to cultivate as friends, as I happen to know they're extremely > talented and knowledgeable. I tend to stay well away from > this particular subject because a. I have a more direct stake in > the discussions due to my relationship with the company, and > b. because I like having a place to go and read that isn't just > about the tools. That said, I'd be willing to try to answer any > questions you may have (offline is best, I think). > > One of the more interesting features of being associated with > a tool like Max [as is certainly the case with Pd, Audiomulch > and - to a somewhat lesser extent - Csound] is that it's > in wide use across various genre boundaries. While I continue > to puzzle at the eruptions of the narcissism of minor difference > in those various communities, it's an interesting time to be > making choices about the kinds of software one chooses for > one's work. I just spent a few pleasant days at the Spark Festival > in Minneapolis, and was reminded again that it's a great time to > be doing and listening. > > So, doesn't anyone want to resurrect those great old-timey > discussions of "the sound of Supercollider?" :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound _________________________________________________________________ http://redirect.gimas.net/?n=M0902xWLM2009 Neu: Messenger 2009! Hier kostenlos downloaden! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would think that Michael Seta would be a better person to field your questions - I merely enjoyed an acquaintance with its administrator during his student days and enjoyed the list. As a Canadian, I would find it troublesome to have some idjit American speaking unilaterally on any matters Canadian - even with our recent change of administration. :-) gregory From brymoxine at yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 11:27:49 2009 From: brymoxine at yahoo.com (bryan garcia) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:27:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [microsound] cycling74 and Max/MSP -discussion In-Reply-To: <49A95CA8.1060805@rtqe.net> Message-ID: <263213.69070.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> the most interesting part about the list, aside from all of the vague evasion occurring here, is the whole Netochka Nezvanova incident. i haven't heard anything more about her since the minor debacle sort of faded away, but i've always remained curious. she was an inspiring character, and definitely supplied a great and needed voice to criticism in general, and more importantly to the experimental / electronic music scene. a great beginning for her story can be found here - http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2002/03/01/netochka/ this is pretty old, so be prepared. the sad skinhead. --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Gregory Taylor wrote: > From: Gregory Taylor > Subject: Re: [microsound] cycling74 and Max/MSP -discussion > To: microsound at or8.net > Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 9:47 AM > > do you know something about the old max/msp mailing > list ? the mcgill-mailing-list from the 9os? > > As a user, I suppose I do. I would think that Michael Seta > would be > a better person to field your questions - I merely enjoyed > an acquaintance > with its administrator during his student days and enjoyed > the list. As > a Canadian, I would find it troublesome to have some idjit > American > speaking unilaterally on any matters Canadian - even with > our recent > change of administration. :-) > > gregory > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound From flemminglyst at gmail.com Sat Feb 28 19:52:01 2009 From: flemminglyst at gmail.com (flemming lyst) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 01:52:01 +0100 Subject: [microsound] cycling74 and Max/MSP -discussion In-Reply-To: <263213.69070.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49A95CA8.1060805@rtqe.net> <263213.69070.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6517a5220902281652h4e3f61e2n7b7bd92359dfbba4@mail.gmail.com> some netochka music: http://totem.menneske.dk/batch_totem/BIN/%5BBIN_003%5D/ On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 5:27 PM, bryan garcia wrote: > > the most interesting part about the list, aside from all of the vague > evasion occurring here, is the whole Netochka Nezvanova incident. > > i haven't heard anything more about her since the minor debacle sort of > faded away, but i've always remained curious. > > she was an inspiring character, and definitely supplied a great and needed > voice to criticism in general, and more importantly to the experimental / > electronic music scene. a great beginning for her story can be found here > - > > http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2002/03/01/netochka/ > > this is pretty old, so be prepared. > > the sad skinhead. > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Gregory Taylor wrote: > > > From: Gregory Taylor > > Subject: Re: [microsound] cycling74 and Max/MSP -discussion > > To: microsound at or8.net > > Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 9:47 AM > > > do you know something about the old max/msp mailing > > list ? the mcgill-mailing-list from the 9os? > > > > As a user, I suppose I do. I would think that Michael Seta > > would be > > a better person to field your questions - I merely enjoyed > > an acquaintance > > with its administrator during his student days and enjoyed > > the list. As > > a Canadian, I would find it troublesome to have some idjit > > American > > speaking unilaterally on any matters Canadian - even with > > our recent > > change of administration. :-) > > > > gregory > > _______________________________________________ > > microsound mailing list > > microsound at microsound.org > > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > > > > _______________________________________________ > microsound mailing list > microsound at microsound.org > http://or8.net/mailman/listinfo/microsound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://or8.net/pipermail/microsound/attachments/20090301/43a2d28c/attachment.htm