[microsound] anyone up for a new project?
Ben Neill
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Wed Dec 16 19:33:03 EST 2009
Count me in for the new project!
Ben
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>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:38:34 -0600
>> From: Neil Clopton <djdualcore at gmail.com>
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>> <childlike enthusiasm> This is going to be SO much fun! </childlike
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>> I certainly am...
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>>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:30:36 -0800
>>> From: kim at anechoicmedia.com
>>> To: microsound at or8.net
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>>> I have an idea
>>> headcount please?
>>> then I'll explain
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>> From: "Magali Babin" <ilagam at sympatico.ca>
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>> i'm interested too,yes!
>> m.
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>> From: "Kim Cascone" <kim at anechoicmedia.com>
>> To: "microsound_list" <microsound at or8.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:29 PM
>> Subject: [microsound] ***microacoustic music project***
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>>> .microsound community project: microacoustic music
>>>
>>> what is .microsound? what will it sound like in 10 years time?
>>> is it purely music made via digital means or can it shape shift into using
>>> acoustic musical instruments?
>>> what is the sound of microacoustic music?
>>> let's find out
>>> each microsound member gets a chance to describe what microacoustic music
>>> sounds like to them
>>>
>>>
>>> GUIDELINES:
>>>
>>> - length: all works must be 2 minutes maximum
>>>
>>> - deadline: February 1 2010
>>>
>>> - mp3 files: filenames use only ALPHANUMERICS; i.e. NO spaces
>>> (underbars_and-hyphens-are-OK), stereo, encoded at 192 - 320kbps and have
>>> ID3 tags!! please make sure they have ID3 tags!
>>> content: all sound sources are acoustic musical instruments
>>> with NO processing other than the following:
>>> - mixing/layering
>>> - editing (cut 'n paste)
>>> - slowing down or speeding up
>>> - filtering/EQ
>>>
>>> instruments can be detuned, woodwinds played as percussion, stick a sax
>>> mouthpiece on a bassoon, contact mic'd, deconstructed, use extended
>>> techniques, destroyed or played 'properly' then (de)composed in editing
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>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:53:50 -0500
>> From: "justino at anihilo.com" <justino at anihilo.com>
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>> Hola Kim,
>> Count me in
>> paz
>> jorge
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>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:05:12 -0200
>> From: Renato Fabbri <renato.fabbri at gmail.com>
>> To: microsound at microsound.org, justino at anihilo.com
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>> 5 is my number, couldn't resist it...
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>> 2009/12/15 justino at anihilo.com <justino at anihilo.com>:
>>> Hola Kim,
>>> Count me in
>>> paz
>>> jorge
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>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:14:31 +0000 (UTC)
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>> I am
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>> Frank
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>> I have an idea
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>> From: michael trommer <trommer at sympatico.ca>
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>> Re. computer with a non-computer interface - it seems to me that most
>> digital gear is exactly that, be it an mpc or one of those 'workstation'
>> keyboards.
>>
>> Re. the loss of musical traditions, I think that many
>> hip-hop/glitch/house/techno artists would disagree - many would argue that
>> the mpc/303/808/909 etc. is/are at the foundation of the style and sound of
>> their music.
>>
>> Sampling as 'merely a sound effect', eh ? Wooh...there's a can of worms
>> you've opened...
>>
>> i'd also be careful about positioning the 'old' 'real' aesthetics of a
>> coltrane against the 'new' - it reminds me of when people were arguing that
>> 'real' music was played on guitars (or whatever) and that anything played on
>> electronic instruments wasn't 'real' music. As a kid it usually boiled down
>> to a drunken argument of zeppelin vs. kraftwerk...stupid.
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/09 3:00 PM, "David Powers" <cyborgk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Personally I believe that there is a problem with this hypothesis.
>>>
>>> To begin with, I have yet to see a human/machine interface that gives
>>> me the kind of nuance that I achieve when I play piano. Even if such
>>> an interface existed, when encounters the problem of technological
>>> obsolescence. The lifespan of technologies is too short, and for any
>>> new instrument, there are no teachers and no tradition. Thus, it is
>>> difficult if not impossible to achieve the kind of virtuosity that is
>>> possible on more traditional instruments. This in turn means the range
>>> of performance possibilities tends to be rather limited, or if I might
>>> say so, even rather "amateurish".
>>>
>>> However, I am even more disturbed by a trend I see arising as a result
>>> of the prevalence of digital music making: I believe that much
>>> important musical knowledge is being lost. If one considers the great
>>> musical traditions of the world, which for me would include Indian
>>> classical, Chinese and Japanese music, West African drumming, European
>>> classical, jazz, and contemporary compositional practices, there is a
>>> huge range of harmonic, rhythmic, melodic, and timbral knowledge and
>>> possibility available. Yet, most of this knowledge is being forgotten,
>>> leading to extremely narrow musical practices. Instead of mastering
>>> the structural aspects of these musics, one usually encounters them,
>>> if at all, as directly sampled appropriations.
>>>
>>> The problem with this is that sampling (like the application of novel
>>> dsp effects here and there) normally exists entirely at the surface;
>>> it is in most cases merely a "sound effect". It has no impact on the
>>> inner structure of a musical composition. Consider the difference
>>> between the influence of Indian music on, say, John Coltrane's
>>> saxophone improvisations, with a piece of music that merely samples a
>>> sitar riff. The difference is obvious: by taking seriously the inner
>>> structure of Indian music, and using the insights gained in this way,
>>> Coltrane was able to produce a radical new musical space. Coltrane's
>>> recording of "My Favorite Things" is precisely an Event, opening up
>>> the space of freedom, proposing a new way of creating vibrations. One
>>> might even say that at a certain level, the sitar sample is, in
>>> Hegelian terms, an abstract negation of Indian music; it is simply an
>>> empty signifier for an exotic Other; it refers to another tradition,
>>> the better to avoid any real encounter, to keep this alien Other at a
>>> distance. Coltrane's approach, on the other hand, is to wrestle with
>>> the Other, not to reproduce it but to critically encounter it in order
>>> to produce a synthesis that produces something really new, something
>>> which is no longer just jazz, but is not Indian music either, nor is
>>> it just a simple pastiche of the two.
>>>
>>> In conclusion, I would say that one must distinguish between mere
>>> progress, which in our day and age is only the passing of time under
>>> the rule of capital, and the radically new which comes as an Event
>>> rupturing the structure of reality and opening up new possibilities
>>> for freedom. Technological progress is not bringing more freedom, it
>>> is not opening up new possibilities, precisely because progress
>>> remains entirely within the coordinates of the market place and the
>>> society of controlled consumption.
>>>
>>> If we wish to really discover what is new, in art as in life, perhaps
>>> it is time to take a deep breath, to step back, and to not be afraid
>>> of what is considered "old-fashioned" and traditional; not so that we
>>> can slavishly recreate a tradition, but in order to find the seeds of
>>> the new, the possibilities for freedom that lie dormant within the
>>> accumulated cultural experience of the global human society.
>>>
>>> ~David
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Graham Miller
>>> <grahammiller at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> the future is in control surfaces and human/machine interfaces...
>>>>
>>>> On 15-Dec-09, at 1:27 PM, Adern X wrote:
>>>>
>>>> IMHO in the last two years laptop moved from being a music generator to the
>>>> state of a music controller. In other words, if some times ago laptop music
>>>> used mostly sinewaves as input, now it seems more interesting doing
>>>> realtime
>>>> manipulation of samples (or somenting coming from audio inputs) or play
>>>> with
>>>> other (real?) instruments.
>>>> The result is that it seems less "laptop-music" perhaps because, for me,
>>>> music using sinewaves seems in a creative cul-de-sac.
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Il giorno 15/dic/09, alle ore 18:38, Kim Cascone ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>> over the past couple of years I've noticed interesting developments in new
>>>> music
>>>> one is the seemingly sudden plethora of laptop musicians
>>>> the other is the death of laptop music
>>>>
>>>> interested in hearing opinions regarding the state of new music culture and
>>>> .microsound
>>>>
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>>>> "Boredom is the mother of creativity" (Ron Arad)
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> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:22:11 +0000
> From: Adam Davis <technohead3d at googlemail.com>
> To: microsound at microsound.org
> Cc: justino at anihilo.com
> Subject: Re: [microsound] anyone up for a new project?
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> Yuh huh!
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> 2009/12/15 Renato Fabbri <renato.fabbri at gmail.com>
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>> 5 is my number, couldn't resist it...
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>> 2009/12/15 justino at anihilo.com <justino at anihilo.com>:
>>> Hola Kim,
>>> Count me in
>>> paz
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> From: Paulo Mouat <paulo.mouat at gmail.com>
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> <plug>
> Check my 'Konzentrische' piece (link in my sig). It was all done with
> acoustic instruments, recordings of which were subject to extreme speed
> variations, speed fluctuation, filtering, EQ and layering (absolutely no
> electronic sounds or sophisticated processing were used). It's about 17
> minutes total, though.
> </plug>
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> //p
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> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Kim Cascone <kim at anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
>
>> .microsound community project: microacoustic music
>>
>> what is .microsound? what will it sound like in 10 years time?
>> is it purely music made via digital means or can it shape shift into using
>> acoustic musical instruments?
>> what is the sound of microacoustic music?
>> let's find out
>> each microsound member gets a chance to describe what microacoustic music
>> sounds like to them
>>
>>
>> GUIDELINES:
>>
>> - length: all works must be 2 minutes maximum
>>
>> - deadline: February 1 2010
>>
>> - mp3 files: filenames use only ALPHANUMERICS; i.e. NO spaces
>> (underbars_and-hyphens-are-OK), stereo, encoded at 192 - 320kbps and have
>> ID3 tags!! please make sure they have ID3 tags!
>> content: all sound sources are acoustic musical instruments
>> with NO processing other than the following:
>> - mixing/layering
>> - editing (cut 'n paste)
>> - slowing down or speeding up
>> - filtering/EQ
>>
>> instruments can be detuned, woodwinds played as percussion, stick a sax
>> mouthpiece on a bassoon, contact mic'd, deconstructed, use extended
>> techniques, destroyed or played 'properly' then (de)composed in editing
>>
>> files should be placed here:
>>
>> http://www.microsound.org/repository/
>>
>> there is also a link on the microsound.org front page
>>
>> ***you MUST be sub'd to the list before you are allowed to upload files
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