<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">it is funny that you mention the concept of fast food :) sometime ago I started to write a slow music manifesto, where I wanted to point out several questions surrounding that issue ;)<div> <br><div><div>On May 7, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Jared Dunne wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Exactly, Leonardo. The shelf life for a single is, what, a week? fast food consumption has officially integrated with fast music consumption. download an mp3 then eat a big mac--they'll both be shat out in 24 hours. </div>
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<div>death to mp3's, autotune and granny panties. <br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 11:59 AM, LtR@feedback loop <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:feedbacklooplabel@gmail.com">feedbacklooplabel@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">I can understand your point Darren, but on the other hand I think that due to so much music available you need to have some kind of filter (and magazines and radios, can function like that in a sense), or you can invest in a label for a lot of time (and build the respect of the community) and maybe, just maybe you can reach the point where the self promotional tools work out as a "domino effect", as an example, I run a "netlabel" as you know and after 1 week, no one talks about the music anymore, no one tweets it, no one "likes it", if you look at the best available stats to understand this phenomenon, you will see that after 2 weeks, 1 month maximum (with few exceptions) the number of downloads decrease to almost zero. so I think the magazines help to keep the momentum going.<br>
<br>Of course, I am talking about labels and artists that hardly get any money out of there releases, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve it (on the contrary), but they truly do it for their love to music.<br>
<br>Kindly,<br><br>Leonardo Rosado by FeedbackLoop Label<br><br>On May 7, 2011, at 5:32 PM, darren harper wrote:<br><br>> I'm having a hard time getting past the accusation made that David Newman(Autistici), the labels he runs (Audiobulb , Audiomoves) and then by extension the artists he represents, are simply in this for the 'cash flow'.<br>
><br>> Beyond ludicrous, and this is clearly a case of being taken advantage of.....betrayed even.<br>><br>> Is it necessary to send out these 'promotional packages' to reviewers anymore? I'm very naive to this, but it seems to me, with all the self-promoting tools we have at our disposal (lists like this, soundcloud, facebook, etc..) that, save for the few wonderful reviewers we have on the Ambient list, sending out pre-release packages are becoming a thing of the past? Like I said, I'm naive to this end of things...<br>
><br>> Sorry this has happened, David.<br>><br>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:10 AM, J Zachary <<a href="mailto:ambientmusic@gmail.com">ambientmusic@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> 1. I like to hear about new releases directly from small labels and<br>
> independent artists on this list. The more info about these releases<br>> I have, the more likely I am to purchase.<br>><br>> 2. Audiobulb is a fine label that deserves support for their<br>> investment in independent musicians.<br>
><br>> 3. It is ironic that Audiobulb provides promotional material at their<br>> expense to someone that then poisons the well so to speak.<br>><br>> 4. I encourage everyone to use this incident to support David's label<br>
> in a twist of irony on the bootleggers.<br>><br>> Jim<br>
<div class="im">><br>> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 11:10 AM, David Newman <<a href="mailto:dwnewman@clara.co.uk">dwnewman@clara.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>> > Absolutely Dene - we are being shafted - robbed - taken advatage of -<br>
> > disrespected.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > David Newman<br>> ><br></div>
<div class="im">> > <a href="http://www.audiomoves.com/" target="_blank">http://www.audiomoves.com</a> | Audiomoves > Digital audio solutions<br>> ><br>> > <a href="http://www.audiobulb.com/" target="_blank">http://www.audiobulb.com</a> | Audiobulb Records > Exploratory music<br>
> ><br>> ><br></div>> > ________________________________<br>
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<div class="h5">> > From: <a href="mailto:dene.carter@gmail.com">dene.carter@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:dene.carter@gmail.com">dene.carter@gmail.com</a>] On Behalf Of Dene<br>> > Carter<br>> > Sent: 07 May 2011 16:34<br>
> > To: Maya R. Odinezenko<br>> > Cc: David Newman; <<a href="mailto:idm@hyperreal.org">idm@hyperreal.org</a>>; ambient;<br>> > <<a href="mailto:microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net">microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net</a>><br>
> > Subject: Re: (amb) Thoughtless idiots who masquerade as supporters of small<br>> > labels<br>> ><br>> > I imagine that if this happened at some point after the release it might<br>> > have seemed less painful.<br>
> ><br>> > I can quite understand why a bootlegged copy's existence spoils the launch<br>> > and undermines all the effort that went into producing the work whether it<br>> > ultimately hurt sales or not (a subject much debated elsewhere).<br>
> ><br>> > Musicians and their promoters should at least have a choice when their work<br>> > becomes available as a whole. In the world of increasingly 'democratised'<br>> > media and distribution, creatives and those who aid them seem to have few<br>
> > rights left.<br>> ><br>> > On 7 May 2011 16:10, Maya R. Odinezenko <<a href="mailto:maya@elevatorium.org">maya@elevatorium.org</a>> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> Honestly, I really wouldn't complain.<br>
> >> I know this will come off as harsh, but it really bothers me people use<br>> >> this list more for promoting their own stuff than just talking about ambient<br>> >> music.<br>> >> You're already investing in making music, but it sounds like you're<br>
> >> involved more fir making some sort if cash flow as opposed to just making<br>> >> music for the sake of art/the love of it.<br>> >> If I were a musician, I'd be flattered my music was being shared. At<br>
> >> least it's good enough to be shared. If people dig it, they will buy it.<br>> >> There are a ton of artists I invested in after I downloaded their stuff.<br>> >> The investment is there for you, don't blame file sharing for losing<br>
> >> sales. Maybe people want to try before they buy, bc technology in this day<br>> >> and age allows them to do so.<br>> >> Just saying.<br>> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>> >> On May 7, 2011, at 9:27 AM, "David Newman" <<a href="mailto:dwnewman@clara.co.uk">dwnewman@clara.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>> >> To the thoughtless idiots....<br>> >><br>> >> So here I am 3 weeks from the release of a beautiful album by A Dancing<br>> >> Beggar.<br>> >><br>> >> <a href="http://www.audiobulb.com/albums/AB036/AB036.htm" target="_blank">http://www.audiobulb.com/albums/AB036/AB036.htm</a><br>
> >><br></div></div>
<div class="im">> >> The album has been sent out as per usual to 120 reviewers on our promo<br>> >> list. One or more of these people who purport to support independent music<br>> >> and small labels has uploaded the album onto every file sharing platform<br>
> >> there is.<br>> >><br>> >> So it's out - people can help themselves for free. The £200 I spent on<br>> >> postage won't get recouped, the £750 I spent on making the CD won't get<br>
> >> recouped.<br>> >><br>> >> Some people think it's easy balancing the books if you are a record small<br>> >> record company - I can tell you it is not. I only made 500 of these and if I<br>
> >> don't get close to £900 back I can see Audiobulb sinking/closing for good.<br>> >><br>> >> So you may be thinking why am I ranting at you? Well I don't know who has<br>> >> done this - they hide behind stupid names in Fileshare etc - but whoever you<br>
> >> are - you are selfish, thoughtless and stupid.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> David Newman<br>> >><br></div>
<div class="im">> >> <a href="http://www.audiomoves.com/" target="_blank">http://www.audiomoves.com</a> | Audiomoves > Digital audio solutions<br>> >><br>> >> <a href="http://www.audiobulb.com/" target="_blank">http://www.audiobulb.com</a> | Audiobulb Records > Exploratory music<br>
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