
<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I would.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 17 Nov 2018, at 17:38, Philip Durbin <<a href="mailto:philipdurbin@gmail.com" class="">philipdurbin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Ok, thanks, I'm asking everyone in #sourcefu on freenode how they feel about switching to Gitter: <a href="http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2018-11-17" class="">http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2018-11-17</a></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here's what I've written so far:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://sourcefu.com/" class="">sourcefu.com</a> expires in 11 days on November 28th and once again I'm thinking about letting it expire. And shutting down this channel. I still like the idea, a software development community with an emphasis on friendliness, transparency, and open source, but I think we could have a better brand, a better name.<br class=""><br class="">One idea I have is to relaunch on Gitter with something like "codecraft" in the name, as I wrote about at <a href="http://or8.net/pipermail/codecraft/2018-October/000249.html" class="">http://or8.net/pipermail/codecraft/2018-October/000249.html</a><br class=""><br class="">Gitter has an IRC gateway that I use all the time.<br class=""><br class="">Or I could relaunch on freenode under a new name, I suppose, but freenode doesn't seem to appreciate public logging very much. <a href="https://freenode.net/policies#public-logging" class="">https://freenode.net/policies#public-logging</a> starts with "If you are considering publishing channel logs, think it through."<br class=""><br class="">So Gitter seems like a better cultural fit for me. I feel more aligned with the amount of transparency Gitter promotes.<br class=""><br class="">On a related note, I proposed a talk with the title "Transparency in chat culture: Gitter vs. IRC, Slack, and the rest" for next year's LibrePlanet. "The culture of transparency Gitter brings to chat is healthy for free software. IRC, XMPP, Slack, and almost every other chat system encourage decision making behind closed doors."<br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://wiki.greptilian.com/talks/ideas/transparency-in-chat-culture-gitter-vs-irc-slack-and-the-rest/" class="">http://wiki.greptilian.com/talks/ideas/transparency-in-chat-culture-gitter-vs-irc-slack-and-the-rest/</a><br class=""><br class="">I'm open to other chat platforms that have a similar culture of transparency, but they're hard to find. Matrix/Riot seems like a contender but this issue I opened is a deal breaker for me: "URL for an arbitrary day of history and navigation for next and previous days" <a href="https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/7677" class="">https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/7677</a><br class=""><br class="">We have this already in this channel, of course: <a href="http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2018-11-17" class="">http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2018-11-17</a><br class=""><br class="">aditsu bear codex dotplus kzisme prologic semiosis sivoais_ tumdedum: If we swiched from freenode to Gitter (again, there's an IRC gateway I use all the time), would you come along?<br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 12:36 PM Michael Bar-Sinai <<a href="mailto:mich.barsinai@icloud.com" class="">mich.barsinai@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">Turns out we're not the only one that thought o the name "code craft", eh?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>I think a GitHub organization makes more sense than putting CodeCraft repo under a personal account. And "codecraft-club" sounds great.<div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 19 Oct 2018, at 3:20, Philip Durbin <<a href="mailto:philipdurbin@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">philipdurbin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_4546966555600246008Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Ok. The other thought I had is that we could create a GitHub organization. That way, we could have a place to keep some code if we want to. For example, I've been thinking I'd use <a href="https://github.com/minrk/archive-gitter" target="_blank" class="">https://github.com/minrk/archive-gitter</a> or a variant thereof for data liberation of the Gitter messages and while we're at it, it might be nice to preserve the archives of <a href="http://or8.net/pipermail/codecraft/" target="_blank" class="">http://or8.net/pipermail/codecraft/</a> as well.</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I've been playing around a bit with the Gitter code (I even got a tiny pull request merged: <a href="https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitter/webapp/blob/develop/CHANGELOG.md#19180-2018-9-5" target="_blank" class="">https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitter/webapp/blob/develop/CHANGELOG.md#19180-2018-9-5</a> ) and it's highly oriented toward GitHub. So we could create a GitHub organization. "codecraft" is already taken on GitHub (I guess we should have grabbed it over three years ago when we started this mailing list). What would be a good name for a GitHub organization? codecraft-club? I'm open to ideas here as well. Once we have a GitHub organization, the chat could be called anything on the Gitter side. I think the default might be "lobby" or something.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Another thought is that we could create a Gitter channel as a GitHub repo under one of our github usernames. It could be <a href="https://github.com/michbarsinai/codecraft" target="_blank" class="">https://github.com/michbarsinai/codecraft</a> or <a href="https://github.com/pdurbin/codecraft" target="_blank" class="">https://github.com/pdurbin/codecraft</a> or whatever. This repo could be where we keep any code as well. And we could all fork it so there are multiple copies so it's distributed.<br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:22 AM Michael Bar-Sinai <<a href="mailto:mich.barsinai@icloud.com" target="_blank" class="">mich.barsinai@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="">Codecraft-chat works, I think. <br class=""><br class=""><div id="m_4546966555600246008m_-5636433207013449845AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr" class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">On 17 Oct 2018, at 4:05, Philip Durbin <<a href="mailto:philipdurbin@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">philipdurbin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Sadly, "codecraft" is already taken on Gitter (screenshots attached).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What do folks think? "codecraft-chat" instead? I'm open to ideas.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM Michael Bar-Sinai <<a href="mailto:mich.barsinai@icloud.com" target="_blank" class="">mich.barsinai@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">Sounds good to me :-)<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 Oct 2018, at 22:01, Philip Durbin <<a href="mailto:philipdurbin@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">philipdurbin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_4546966555600246008m_-5636433207013449845m_3343941138088495278m_-2934264101358532707m_8879848509682559317Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Nope. We'd keep the mailing list.<br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 3:02 PM Michael Bar-Sinai <<a href="mailto:mich.barsinai@icloud.com" target="_blank" class="">mich.barsinai@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Interesting. Would this replace the mailing list?<br class="">

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> On 14 Oct 2018, at 17:52, Philip Durbin <<a href="mailto:philipdurbin@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">philipdurbin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">

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> I'm considering creating a Gitter channel for codecraft. What do you all think?<br class="">

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